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| Had a colt running at the Pasco Wa race this weekend and had asked a friend to video my horses run. She said they had announced that you were not allowed to video your own run that the race was copyrighted and if you wanted your video you could come purchase it. I told her they must be talking about videoing the screen on the webcast but she told me no that she had it right. Anyone else heard of this and do they even have the right to ask that? Sounds preposterous to me. |
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| I believe someone would have played hell keeping me from videoing what ever I wanted to video.
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| Hmmm, interesting. I was not there but have many friends who were. One friend's family member video'd her run. Pretty sure if I want to video my run I will, no matter who is there. Editing to add, did you email the producer and ask her?
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| I don't even know who is putting it on up there. Just wanted a video of the horse I had raised. I have the video but she had said the announcement said that posting it to social media would be infringement. Been so long since I have been in the barrel racing world I didn't know if this was a new thing. Was told it was the 321 people that was there and I saw all the uproar during the American Semis and I didn't want to end up on anyone's wall of shame. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Not true at all. You just couldn't video the screen of the videographer's footage - that would be theft. I had friends running there all weekend and watched countless cell phone videos of runs on Facebook.
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| Producer is Best of Barrels Only, www.bestofbarrelsonly.com and I am with svincent, I've gotten lots of cell phone videos from friends. I know 3-2-1 Action video was there and as long as you take your OWN video you can post it to social media but you need permission if you purchased from 3-2-1 Action video - they like to send you one for posting on social media, that is my understanding anyway. |
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| I also had a friend running there and she videoed all her runs. I have never heard of that |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I also received several cell phone videos.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about videoing the webcast...because a lot of people do that. |
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Location: Idaho | I heard them make that announcement too. I took it that you couldnt video the 321 screen and post it. I dont feel that just because there is a professional video company taking video, that that takes aways a person's right to video and share their run with their personal device. |
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Location: Ellensburg, Washington | I think that announcement was also made in part for the people watching on the webcast like myself. It is copyright infrigement to record a video of the webcast and post on your facebook page, etc. I heard them announce that over the loudspeaker during the drags before 321 Action video went to the ads. |
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Location: Washington | I was there and they did say that (I am sure they were refering to both taking video of your run and people watching videoing the webcast)...but I still have my friend video me with MY camera. I don't plan on selling my videos, and I understand that is how they make their money by people buying their videos...but I really don't want to pay for 6 runs after I spend some good $$$ money on my new video camera that works perfectly fine....and already dished out enough money for my entrys and fuel lol.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | There are a million (exaggerating) posted on facebook. Wonder how those people got away with that! |
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Location: The edge of no where | I've heard them announce at a lot of barrel races not to video the webcast....which is just don't video the screen. Not a big deal. You can definitely video your own run.
One of the video people made a post last year wanting races to ban people taking their own videos, but I doubt anything comes of that. There's another video company that will let you pay like $10 to watch your run - regular speed and slow motion - and they don't care what you do with it. They will play it repeatedly for you until you've got it the way you want it. I try my hardest to support them for being so customer friendly!
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | During the slot race, it was announced that you couldn't video your own run and post it on social media because it is copywrited. They owned the rights to video. I have been to other events where this is true. Would love clarification. |
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Location: Idaho | So, a video company can show up to a barrel race and take away your rights to video your run? Do the picture people own the rights to take your picture? And no one else can take a picture while you run and post it on social media? I get not videoing a run off of the webcast. But not being able to video at all just because they are there, makes no sense to me. I didnt ask them to video me and I didnt sign anything giving them the right to video me in the first place, so I cant see how they would be able to stop people from personally video and post their own run. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Oregonracer2 - 2015-04-09 3:10 PM
During the slot race, it was announced that you couldn't video your own run and post it on social media because it is copywrited. They owned the rights to video. I have been to other events where this is true. Would love clarification.
The only thing that they can copyright is THEIR footage/branding/signage/logo/etc. They can't prevent YOU from videoing YOUR run live. I'm sure the confusion was due to poor wording and sentence structure. |
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| Haven't had this experience at a barrel race, but at the MRA pageant no photography or videos are allowed other than the hired professional photographer/videographer. I'm still pretty furious that I had to pay $400 for the DVDs from a once in a lifetime experience, and they were such poor quality they're barely viewable. |
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Location: The edge of no where | svincent - 2015-04-09 7:13 PM Oregonracer2 - 2015-04-09 3:10 PM During the slot race, it was announced that you couldn't video your own run and post it on social media because it is copywrited. They owned the rights to video. I have been to other events where this is true. Would love clarification. The only thing that they can copyright is THEIR footage/branding/signage/logo/etc. They can't prevent YOU from videoing YOUR run live. I'm sure the confusion was due to poor wording and sentence structure.
I'd bet this is true... Anyone know the producer to ask?
It's exactly what one video company discussed on fb wanting to see in the future, but I can't imagine they made any traction pushing that on producers.
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| I emailed the producer and asked her. |
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Location: In my own little world | The company that did the videoing at Pasco is the same company that came on here last year discussing closing videoing to anyone other than themselves. As a producer myself, I would never let this be a condition of providing that service at an event. I would need to think very hard about entering an event with that stipulation as well. And I have entered Sand Cup several times in the past. It just is not right and especially when it is not advertised in advance of an event on a flyer or in the rules of the entry form. And if they say no personal videoing and you do not support that event, they all lose money. I think this could be a legal can of worms that a producer would really not want to get involved with. As someone said we do not ask them to video our run. Maybe that should be placed on the entry form - you either give them permission to video or photograph or you don't. If you give them permission then they have exclusive rights but if you do not give them permission then you have every right to video your own. I would be real curious as to the legalities of this. And you may not get an answer back from the Sand Cup producer until after this weekend as she is entered at another futurity in WA this weekend. |
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| ropenrun - 2015-04-10 2:37 PM The company that did the videoing at Pasco is the same company that came on here last year discussing closing videoing to anyone other than themselves. As a producer myself, I would never let this be a condition of providing that service at an event. I would need to think very hard about entering an event with that stipulation as well. And I have entered Sand Cup several times in the past. It just is not right and especially when it is not advertised in advance of an event on a flyer or in the rules of the entry form. And if they say no personal videoing and you do not support that event, they all lose money. I think this could be a legal can of worms that a producer would really not want to get involved with. As someone said we do not ask them to video our run. Maybe that should be placed on the entry form - you either give them permission to video or photograph or you don't. If you give them permission then they have exclusive rights but if you do not give them permission then you have every right to video your own. I would be real curious as to the legalities of this. And you may not get an answer back from the Sand Cup producer until after this weekend as she is entered at another futurity in WA this weekend.
Yes to all of this.  I am going to watch the races tomorrow for the day and if I run into the Sand Cup Producer and she has time, I will ask her. Otherwise we can wait until next week. Happy Friday everyone! |
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Location: PNW | brlraceaddict - 2015-04-10 3:19 PM
ropenrun - 2015-04-10 2:37 PM The company that did the videoing at Pasco is the same company that came on here last year discussing closing videoing to anyone other than themselves. As a producer myself, I would never let this be a condition of providing that service at an event. I would need to think very hard about entering an event with that stipulation as well. And I have entered Sand Cup several times in the past. It just is not right and especially when it is not advertised in advance of an event on a flyer or in the rules of the entry form. And if they say no personal videoing and you do not support that event, they all lose money. I think this could be a legal can of worms that a producer would really not want to get involved with. As someone said we do not ask them to video our run. Maybe that should be placed on the entry form - you either give them permission to video or photograph or you don't. If you give them permission then they have exclusive rights but if you do not give them permission then you have every right to video your own. I would be real curious as to the legalities of this. And you may not get an answer back from the Sand Cup producer until after this weekend as she is entered at another futurity in WA this weekend.
Yes to all of this. I am going to watch the races tomorrow for the day and if I run into the Sand Cup Producer and she has time, I will ask her. Otherwise we can wait until next week. Happy Friday everyone!
All of this. Unless you sign it away, the right to video/photograph yourself is YOURS. Not theirs. There's no legal backbone to this. |
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| Well I am glad to hear some of the info and get it straight since I was not there. I guess if they see me or my people videoing they can come do a citizens arrest! HAHA Perhaps they should do some more research and get a better understanding of the LAW. So many people throw words and especially FB postings around that hold little to no ground. |
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| Went to a show once was taking photos of my kids and Kenneth Springer came to me told me I was not allowed to take pics or even have a camera in the arena. I said ok walked up two steps and continue to take pics. He approched me again with the producer I them told him I was the mother not a pro and I would take pics and walked off. |
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Location: Idaho | I mean I get it. Professional photography or videography people want paid for their services. But seriously.... what footage of a radius to they get to call exclusively theirs?? I have been videoing my runs and posting them for years. Some professional, who I did not ask to video me, will not come in and tell me I cant do that anymore because they are doing it and they want paid to do it. They own the rights?? Really? I dont remember selling mine! They have the rights to their footage and I have the rights to mine. |
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | Announced same thing at Walla walla today. You can't video and post on social media |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | I don't have a dog in this fight as I'm from California (right side). Wouldn't they need my permission to take my picture or even video me if we want to start splitting straws here... |
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| The video company in question tried that angle around here also. They tried to get a big race producer to tack on a fee to the entry fee for them videoing the runs. And they wanted to ban all cell phones and any video equipment from the arena during the race. The producer said NO to all and the company did not work at that race.
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Location: Idaho | This is a FB post made last week by the lady who runs the video company...
dear producers, we are here to help promote your show, and sponsors with our live webcasts and videos that we share online and to networks after the event. As you know times have changed and so many other videographers have hung things up, but we are here to change things. We are mostly doing this with our live webcast productions, but still have to count on some sales at a show. We just ask that you promote us, as much as we do you. That means don't share or post a cell phone or tablet video on your facebook page when there is a professional videographer that you hired. If the run was good enough to share, then come to us and we can give you the professional version for free, if you promote us at the same time. Our thinking is if 1000 people see the free video, and maybe 10 buy because of it, then we are ahead. We also send our videos into RFD TV, and other networks and shows and sometimes they are selected to be shown. This is once again how we promote your show. We just ask that when you mention that on Facebook, we get at least a mention in the post, and maybe how people can buy their videos.
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| They have no merit to stand on in my opinion and little credibility. It's preposterous to even ask that of people and I would have to just go ahead and do as I pleased. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I heard it was that way at the BBR Finals in the colisieum last year. Even said if caught you could be disqualified. |
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| That's crazy. A few years ago when another company had that race they were in the stands videoing people for less money. Which is very rude business. Here recently at the Patriot did the same thing. Seems like they are quick to blast people if they feel they are wronged but will step on other people's toes in a heartbeat. |
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Pasco Wa & Videoing your run