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| My trainer suggested I add this to my mares grain ration as she's in harder work and needs a bit more weight now. It has pieces of corn in it and I have always heard corn was bad. She is super adamant about this feed and has everything she owns and all her boarders on it but I'm not sure about it and not really very knowledgeable myself to know.
All Breed 14%
Crude Protein 14%
Crude Fat 2 %
Crude Fiber 13.5%
CA min 1%
CA max 1.5%
phosphorus 0.4%
Salt 0.50-1%
Selenium 0.3ppm
Zinc 150 ppm
Vit A 8000 IU/lb
Vit D3 2500 IU/lb
Vit e 23 IU/lb
Ash 10%
Ingredients: grain products, processed grain by products, plant Protein products, roughage products, molasses products, calcium carbonate, Salt, Zinc sulfate, Vit A supplement, Vit d3 supplement, Vit e supplement, ferrous sulfate, potassium iodide, manganous oxide, cobalt carbinate, sodiUm molybate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite |
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| I'm not a feed expert by any stretch but I personally wouldn't feed that. Very low in fat and a lot of "products" in there. You are adding this to her current grain ration? What's the current grain? |
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Location: Austin, Texas, where it can get really weird!! | want2chase3 - 2015-04-13 9:03 PM
I'm not a feed expert by any stretch but I personally wouldn't feed that. Very low in fat and a lot of "products" in there. You are adding this to her current grain ration? What's the current grain?
I would have a hard time believing a horse would get enough calories in heavy work to maintain weight, is she adding supplements? Also what age is the horse and the work load they consider heavy? Is this being mixed with another ration? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Junk
Unfixed formula so you don't have a clue what you are feeding. |
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Location: Florida.. | why? the fat is extremely LOW and the ingredients are not something id feed.. |
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Location: NC | That is a cheap junk feed. The fat content is minuscule. The ingredients are terrible. Steer clear of anything that says 'product'. That's an open ended wording that allows them to use any number of ingredients. Definitely not a quality feed by any means at all.
High fat feeds are what put weight on and keep it there. Two of mine get a 10% fat feed. The other one gets 12%. I much prefer a high fat feed to other types. You feed a lot less to keep the same body composition. More hay is always a good way to put weight on. Look for something with real ingredients listed. Even 'corn oats barley' is better than 'grain products'. |
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| Yes its added to the grain ration. My mare is ten gets riden 4-6 times a week with only one or two generally being hard work outs. She's just getting forco and a scoop of a complete feed. I wanted to just add rice bran but she suggested this instead. I think I will go with the rice bran! It's all included in my board and I know the rice bran is more expensive than the other grains so that's probably why she was wanting me to do that instead. |
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Location: Austin, Texas, where it can get really weird!! | wishes4kissez - 2015-04-13 9:23 PM
Yes its added to the grain ration. My mare is ten gets riden 4-6 times a week with only one or two generally being hard work outs. She's just getting forco and a scoop of a complete feed. I wanted to just add rice bran but she suggested this instead. I think I will go with the rice bran! It's all included in my board and I know the rice bran is more expensive than the other grains so that's probably why she was wanting me to do that instead.
BINGO!
Rice bran will up her calories without all that junk. |
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Location: Texas | There are many other options to put weight on a horse. I would not feed this. |
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| This is the other feed my horse currently gets
http://www.venellfeed.com/index.php?mid=pd&id=1 |
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That's a strange ingredient list. Again very low in fat at 2%. Rice bran would be the way to go if it's one of your choices. |
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Location: Missouri | wishes4kissez - 2015-04-13 9:23 PM Yes its added to the grain ration. My mare is ten gets riden 4-6 times a week with only one or two generally being hard work outs. She's just getting forco and a scoop of a complete feed. I wanted to just add rice bran but she suggested this instead. I think I will go with the rice bran! It's all included in my board and I know the rice bran is more expensive than the other grains so that's probably why she was wanting me to do that instead.
If your horse needs to gain weight, you should not be feeding a complete feed unless you are feeding it as directed. One scoop of complete feed is not providing the necessary nutrients. IMO, it should be fed as directed, or you should switch to a different feed that is not meant to be fed as a sole ration. |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | It would probably be cheaper and easier on you and the horse if you just looked for a better quality feed overall rather than supplementing.
A feed with 8%+ fat should add a lot more weight than the 2%. I like mine to be 10%+ but I'm picky. I get mine from a local mill. I love Triple Crown but since it's not popular in my area, it was always old. So I switched to something I know is fresh and they have formulas that are similar to TC. I feed two of mine a senior mix that's 14 protein 10 fat and 16 fiber. My main gelding gets a 12/12/8 mix. Both have decent ingredient lists and seem to work well for my crew. The feeds run about $14 a bag and I feed 6lbs a day. Try to find what's available to you locally. Look for a good amount of fat and a full listing of ingredients.
High fat feeds save on money and hassles in the long run! |
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| I only have these two as options or Alf pellets, oats, and rice bran un less I buy my own which I used to do |
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Location: Florida.. | that grain she gets is useless, that low of fat for a trainer to feed.. .. Id switch altogether..Id feed oats and alfalfa pellets then
Edited by Bibliafarm 2015-04-13 10:00 PM
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| wishes4kissez - 2015-04-13 9:50 PM
I only have these two as options or Alf pellets, oats, and rice bran un less I buy my own which I used to do
In that case if you don't want to buy your own feed, can they feed your horse a mix of alfalfa pellets, oats and rice bran? And you could maybe provide a vitamin/mineral to mix in? |
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| What do your trainer's horses look like? Personally, I try to keep my horses' feed as natural as possible. I am not big on feedig a high fat feed. My trainer feeds an inexpensive pellet. Her horses look better and perform better than anything around here. I take good care of my horses but my horse that is there now looks better than she did when she was home. If your trainer's horses look good I would go with what she says. The way I look at it I pay my trainer to ride my horse and give me advice. If I did not like what she said, I would find another trainer. Just my opinion. |
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| I do my own grain bags out of what's available and add forco so I can mix whatever is available myself I just never know what to feed! She gets Alfalfa hay for PM meal and grass am. would you still add alf pellets? |
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| I love my trainers advice when it comes down to the horse training portion and have worked with her on many horses and learned a lot. first aid etc she's great too but there are some areas she may not be the most knowledgeable in and I am fine with that there are other resources for other purposes! Her horses for the most part look great but they are on heavy grain rations of various mixtures of everything and she top feeds corn oil to most (I know super bad!). My mare had been a super easy keeper till now and I hadn't been feeding grain then I started forco and needed something to mix it with as it was powder so she started the complete feed just a little scoop. I have the pellets now though. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | They can look good on outside but be unhealthy inside.. Id not feed junk feed Id feed the oats and alfalfa pellets its more natural.. |
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Location: North Dakota | wishes4kissez - 2015-04-13 9:23 PM Yes its added to the grain ration. My mare is ten gets riden 4-6 times a week with only one or two generally being hard work outs. She's just getting forco and a scoop of a complete feed. I wanted to just add rice bran but she suggested this instead. I think I will go with the rice bran! It's all included in my board and I know the rice bran is more expensive than the other grains so that's probably why she was wanting me to do that instead.
Yes, definitely go with the rice bran. I wouldn't feed the one she recommended if I was paid to. |
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Location: So. California | I wouldn't feed that either. Generally, when you read an ingredient list, they are listed in descending order of predominance by weight/volume. The first few items arel listed as "products" not an actual product (i.e. Rice Bran, Oats). The way I read that label is a whole lot of filler with no real substance. Not my cup of tea! |
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| wishes4kissez - 2015-04-13 10:23 PM
I do my own grain bags out of what's available and add forco so I can mix whatever is available myself I just never know what to feed! She gets Alfalfa hay for PM meal and grass am. would you still add alf pellets?
It wouldn't hurt to add alfalfa pellets to your ration. Wouldn't take but a lb or so. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Anniemae - 2015-04-13 11:49 PM I wouldn't feed that either. Generally, when you read an ingredient list, they are listed in descending order of predominance by weight/volume. The first few items arel listed as "products" not an actual product (i.e. Rice Bran, Oats). The way I read that label is a whole lot of filler with no real substance. Not my cup of tea!
Grain products are grains, it just gives the feed maker flexibility in cost pricing and keeping the label to spec. As all the others have said, I would choose a fixed formula product whenever possible.
By law, they still equal 14% protein and all other specs ect but if soybean meal is cheaper they may remove some corn and sub sbm which can cause digestive upset and change the taste. (for example only)
But also realize if you are buying rice bran from a mill, it is most likely not stabilized so it has a very short life span before it goes rancid. In that case I would choose a national label or rice bran pellet for safety reasons. JMO. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TurnLane - 2015-04-14 9:14 AM Anniemae - 2015-04-13 11:49 PM I wouldn't feed that either. Generally, when you read an ingredient list, they are listed in descending order of predominance by weight/volume. The first few items arel listed as "products" not an actual product (i.e. Rice Bran, Oats). The way I read that label is a whole lot of filler with no real substance. Not my cup of tea! Grain products are grains, it just gives the feed maker flexibility in cost pricing and keeping the label to spec. As all the others have said, I would choose a fixed formula product whenever possible.
By law, they still equal 14% protein and all other specs ect but if soybean meal is cheaper they may remove some corn and sub sbm which can cause digestive upset and change the taste. (for example only)
But also realize if you are buying rice bran from a mill, it is most likely not stabilized so it has a very short life span before it goes rancid. In that case I would choose a national label or rice bran pellet for safety reasons. JMO.
Stabilized rice bran is available directly from the mill and many of them even sell it in bags. There is no need to buy the $30+ per bag national brands, just keep in mind that you need something to balance the ca:ph ratio. I feed it with alfalfa pellets or chaffhay. |
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| Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I think I will slowly start switching both my mares to oats rice bran and alf pellets and go away from the processed stuff altogether! Been trying to cut processed stuff out of my diet and feel a lot better myself so maybe it will be positive for them too! I just wonder if I will need a vitamin supplement then? |
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| wishes4kissez - 2015-04-14 11:19 AM
Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I think I will slowly start switching both my mares to oats rice bran and alf pellets and go away from the processed stuff altogether! Been trying to cut processed stuff out of my diet and feel a lot better myself so maybe it will be positive for them too! I just wonder if I will need a vitamin supplement then?
If I were going to feed alfalfa pellets oats and rice bran... I would add a concentrate vitamin / mineral to it, but that's just me. There are plenty out there to chose from. |
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| You said your horse was an easy keeper up until now with no supplements .
This is a red flag for me, why is she losing weight? Ulcer? Teeth?
As for the feed, I would go with the alfalfa pellets, up the poundage, and add the rice bran, and give the max I can with that. |
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can anyone tell me if this is a quality feed?