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Joint supplements for prevention/maintenence
bbstexas
Reg. Apr 2015
Posted 2015-04-21 2:15 PM
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Hey guys, just wanted to pick your brains about joint supplements. I've never needed to use them before and have no experience with them, so I'm essentially clueless. I have a 14 year old 1D/2D QH mare who is completely sound and healthy; I've never had any joint or lameness issues with her and she's never been injected. However, I'm planning on hauling her quite a bit this summer and am wondering about starting her on joint supplements as a preventative/maintenance measure since her workload will be increasing.
Do you think this will be beneficial to her, or just a waste of money and I should leave well enough alone? Any recommendations on good joint supplements or ones to stay away from? A few people have recommended Cosequin, but I'd like to get more opinions. The amount of options out there is overwhelming! Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-04-21 2:17 PM
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I would forget the oral stuff and do a loading dose of Adequan right now or pentosan. Then use monthly or even bimonthly if your hauling hard this summer.
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mruggles
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Posted 2015-04-21 2:26 PM
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I agree with flitastic....i think 99.999% of orally fed stuff is a waste of money....better off with injectable.......M

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soonergirl98
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2015-04-21 2:30 PM
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Animal Element Performance Detox keeps mine feeling good and running hard. There is a link for a video below. The Performance detox is great for hooves, coat, and joints.
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Posted 2015-04-21 2:47 PM
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I also agree with Flitastic.. Adequan is amazing. I used it a couple years back on one of my horses who wasn't showing any signs of lameness. I just wanted to make sure he did feel good and boy could I tell a difference!! I also would recommend Platinum Performance CJ or Exceed 6-way. Great products. Good Luck!
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jschipper
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-04-21 3:13 PM
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I also agree on oral joint supplements being a waste of money. I use legend/adequin and inject as needed.
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Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2015-04-21 11:19 PM
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 I feed MSM. It's cheap and seems to have many benefits. I haven't used injectables, but would if one of mine needed something more than the MSM.
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Cowgirl Kat
Reg. Aug 2013
Posted 2015-04-22 10:26 AM
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For maintenance I use THE JointPLUS and Adequan. I also have another one who has some arthritis and has been injected. She gets THE FlamOxide and Adequan. I'm thinking about adding Legend to the one who get the FlamOxide. My horses are looking and feeling great. 
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-22 10:31 AM
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Osphos shot given once a year to every 6 months, its the future of injectable joint supplements.

Adequan once a month.

Legend or your HA of choice (I like hytryl) 48 hours prior to a big run.

Some ppl like Pentosan but i'm not a fan.


Your wasting your money on anything else IMO and research shows basically no joint supplement is absorbed by a horse once it reaches the stomach.


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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-04-22 11:24 AM
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Only thing I would change is when the IV HA products are given. Hytryl/Legend/NexHA. Research shows max effectiveness of any IV HA product is 12-24 hours after injection. By 48 hours it is nearly out of the system completely. ALL of my vets say to ideally give it 12 hours out ( Middle of the night usually) or at most 24 hours out. Which is what I do. Not getting up at midnight to inject my horse. lol
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Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-04-22 11:26 AM
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OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level.
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-22 11:28 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:24 PM

Only thing I would change is when the IV HA products are given. Hytryl/Legend/NexHA. Research shows max effectiveness of any IV HA product is 12-24 hours after injection. By 48 hours it is nearly out of the system completely. ALL of my vets say to ideally give it 12 hours out ( Middle of the night usually) or at most 24 hours out. Which is what I do. Not getting up at midnight to inject my horse. lol

Sorry my mistake on the time. I agree Flit! We usually get up early and give it the day of for futurity runs

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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-22 11:29 AM
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FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:26 PM

OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level.

Really?! Please point me towards that research
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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-04-22 11:37 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 9:29 AM

FLITASTIC - 2015-04-22 12:26 PM

OH, recent research has come out that the Monthly Adequan does not increase effectiveness of the drug. The origional 7 shot series given once a year or 2x a year is best for hard working horses. Thats what I am going. Complete loading dose (7 shots) 1-2x per year depending on activity level.

Really?! Please point me towards that research

Let me find it. My vet says she gets monthly publications from the AAEP ( American association of Equine practitioners?) and there was an article about monthly adequan booster shots. Let me start digging. I was going by what she just told me last Friday. Let me see what I can find.
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-22 12:14 PM
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So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in?

Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series.

I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.



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Cowgirl Kat
Reg. Aug 2013
Posted 2015-04-22 1:53 PM
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I do the 7 shot series with 1 shot monthly for maintenance because this was the orignal method they had. I ask my vet about the new way and if I should start doing that and he told me not to.  
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Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2015-04-22 7:11 PM
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soonergirl98 - 2015-04-21 2:30 PM

Animal Element Performance Detox keeps mine feeling good and running hard. There is a link for a video below. The Performance detox is great for hooves, coat, and joints.

Ditto to this. I started using Animal Element Performance Detox on my mare a few months ago and I LOVE it - saw definitive results! Her coat is much healthier looking, her top line looks better and she FEELS like she feels great.
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Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2015-04-22 8:48 PM
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Gateway products liquid HA .you will see results. Chondroitin and Glucosamine must be used together or you will not see results. HA breaks down to Chondroitin and glucosamine. MSM. pure. Vitamin C and E work great with these.
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cowgirl156
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2015-04-22 10:19 PM
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I stopped pouring my money down the drain with oral supplements. I did the 7 day loading dose of Adequan and now do it once a month.
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Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2015-04-22 10:58 PM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
 
FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-23 7:42 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
 
FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Thank you for posting!
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ampratt
Reg. Dec 2012
Posted 2015-04-23 8:02 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-23 7:42 AM

WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-04-22 11:58 PM

astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
 
FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Thank you for posting!

This is what I was told when I contacted a rep as well.
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Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-04-23 9:16 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
 
FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Thank you for posting!

This is what I was told when I contacted a rep as well.

Thanks! I was trying to find the actual evidence and put a call into my vet but she is a repro specialist and I don't think she sleeps from January 1-May1!!! Like literally. SHe spends hours and hours and various QH and thorobred farms during breeding season. I beg and plead to get an appointment. But she is good. I did text her for the research and she hadnt got back to me yet.
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-04-23 9:32 AM
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it.
 
FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Thank you for posting!

This is what I was told when I contacted a rep as well.

Thanks! I was trying to find the actual evidence and put a call into my vet but she is a repro specialist and I don't think she sleeps from January 1-May1!!! Like literally. SHe spends hours and hours and various QH and thorobred farms during breeding season. I beg and plead to get an appointment. But she is good. I did text her for the research and she hadnt got back to me yet.

No need.....called a rep....rep informed me they are in the process for getting new material out to the public about the twice a year series.....thanks everyone on here for the info!

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Reg. Apr 2015
Posted 2015-04-23 10:18 PM
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Sounds like injectables are the way to go; I'll chat with my vet and see what he thinks. Thanks everyone for the insight!
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Posted 2015-04-24 8:25 AM
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 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
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TBone - 2015-04-24 8:25 AM

 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

Interesting question and I am looking forward to any replies. The only info I am finding advises to do the loading dose for either 4 or 6 injections 5-7 days apart and if at any time during the following 6 month period the horse becomes sore it is safe to administer a further injection to settle any inflammatory process. It did not say anything about monthly/bi weekly injections being beneficial other than the settling of any inflammatory process that may have occurred to a strenous workout or competition and that some owners chose to keep performance horses on that regime. Would love to have a more concrete opinion before I do bi weekly/monthly injections that maybe of little value.
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Your not going to find concrete evidence on pentosan probably. It's not an FDA approved product. But I love it and use it with awesome results. I have a horse with coffin joint arthritis. Used to get injected every few months. Has not been injected in over a year. I do load dose 2x year and give it to him when needed. That's about every 6-7 weeks.
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FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 11:16 AM

Your not going to find concrete evidence on pentosan probably. It's not an FDA approved product. But I love it and use it with awesome results. I have a horse with coffin joint arthritis. Used to get injected every few months. Has not been injected in over a year. I do load dose 2x year and give it to him when needed. That's about every 6-7 weeks.

Yes, I figured that might be the issue on finding hard evidence. I just completed the 4 injections and am trying to figure out a protocol now. I had also planned on doing the loading dose every 6 months. Ummm what to do? Thanks for your input.
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Several years ago I would have said oral was a waste, back when MSM, Chondortin, etc was all we had. Then came along Myristol ingredients, and HA being added....And then I had arthritic knees and went on NSAIDs but had to quit. I started on a supplement with HA and it worked better than the NSAID.

So, I took a second look, especially those with HA and an additive like Krill oil that helps get it into the joints. I found with with the myristol ingredients and HA, and saw a differnce in my horses, similar to what I experienced. Might check these out before you nix all oral supplements.
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 Following...:the adaquan 2x a year would definitely save my pocketbook!
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TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM

 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....
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TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM

 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....

Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.
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 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....

Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.

Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan.
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Posted 2015-04-27 8:57 AM
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 So maybe I will do a loading dose of the Adaquan, and then feed THE or something in between loading doses instead of doing the monthly injection....after all--I'm only trail riding and exercising daily but do want to make my arthritic horse more comfy.
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astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 6:54 AM

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TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM

 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....

Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.

Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan.

Absolutely true. Each horse is different. My good horse had severe lung infection as a baby and has scar tissue. The pentosan actually HELPS him by getting the blood flowing better etc.. So interesting.
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FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 12:25 PM

astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 6:54 AM

FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 9:31 AM

astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 5:29 AM

TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM

 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.

Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?

NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....

Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.

Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan.

Absolutely true. Each horse is different. My good horse had severe lung infection as a baby and has scar tissue. The pentosan actually HELPS him by getting the blood flowing better etc.. So interesting.

hmmm never had it explain to me that way.
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