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| I'm wanting to get a new horse. I want to step up from 4Ds to 1D,2D. I have ride 1D horses. Just haven't in awhile. I've been looking and just Plan 3D horses with potential are outrageous. So I was told bout get a 2 coming 3 year old and get it professional trained. I really need some opinions on this. I don't know where to really start on my journey without getting screwed over! Please help me. I'd appreciate it! |
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| By the time you pay training on a 3 year old, you could have had a pretty expensive horse. When you buy a finished horse, you are basically paying for the seasoning. You would be looking at 6 months to a year in mist cases before a colt would be ready for you to go on with. You still have no guarantee that the prospect will even make a barrel horse. Just some points to consider. Good luck with whatever decision you make! |
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Location: Claremore, OK | I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age. |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | If you do this, ride other horse this trainer has trained and take some lessons from them, make sure you really match their style.
When you buy a finished horse you know what you are getting.
When you buy one and send it to the trainer you don't know what you'r getting. Will you be okay if you spend $10-$15k and end up with a consistent 3D horse? Will you be okay if it's a 1D horse but extremely hard to handle? What if the horse hates running barrels? What if it's a 1D horse with the trainer, but you constantly hit barrels or can't get it to turn?
I'm not saying that any of these things are going to happen, but you always run this risk. And I would say you are looking at $12k minimum, $5,000 for the horse plus $650 a month for a year to get the horse running. Not including shoeing or any vet costs, supplements. etc. For that price I can find a nice, finished horse |
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| Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. |
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Location: Alberta | outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 5:23 PM If you do this, ride other horse this trainer has trained and take some lessons from them, make sure you really match their style.
When you buy a finished horse you know what you are getting.
When you buy one and send it to the trainer you don't know what you'r getting. Will you be okay if you spend $10-$15k and end up with a consistent 3D horse? Will you be okay if it's a 1D horse but extremely hard to handle? What if the horse hates running barrels? What if it's a 1D horse with the trainer, but you constantly hit barrels or can't get it to turn?
I'm not saying that any of these things are going to happen, but you always run this risk. And I would say you are looking at $12k minimum, $5,000 for the horse plus $650 a month for a year to get the horse running. Not including shoeing or any vet costs, supplements. etc. For that price I can find a nice, finished horse
This.....
if you have never seasoned a horse before, it's a humbling experience and isnt always wonderful ....I'd find a finished horse.... |
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Location: NE Texas | I have a 4 yo filly that is cruising a nice set, exhibitioned a little over a second off the horse that won the barrel race and priced affordably. I'd look for something that has been started and hauled a little that is bred nice that has the potential when finished to be the caliber horse you are wanting. |
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| Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000
Do your homework but there is such a thing as a good deal to on a finished horse or prospect. My best broodmare I got at an awesome deal.
There's a lot of nice prospects out there too. Get a trainer that will help you find the prospect that's most likely to match your ability and style. A good trainer will work with you on that. I've known several who offer that. And of course lots of thumbs up for Liana's program. That's where my three year old is headed this weekend. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM
Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range.
There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000
I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. |
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Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low.
1D/2D locally is a totally different price range than 1D at supershows. You can absolutely find a 1D local horse for $15k. And facebook has become a great source at finding horses! Lots of people take advantage of free advertising so facebook and yputube are great |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low.
I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run.
Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Itsme - 2015-04-24 8:28 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run. Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period.
Sorry, but that's not always the case. Especially if those big dog 1D horses aren't running locally because the $ probably isn't worth their time and wear and tear on their horse..
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| Longneck - 2015-04-24 9:55 PM
Itsme - 2015-04-24 8:28 PM outrundaizy - 2015-04-24 7:46 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 7:30 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-24 7:15 PM Itsme - 2015-04-24 4:41 PM Right now a few facebook pages have some horses clocking in the 1d and winning 2d times in the 12K range. There is a hole some place. That tough a horse is easily 25,000 I agree but it has the stats listed and videos from this year...I know a local girl just bought a horse and I heard the rumored price, it seemed 10K low. I get sick of the super show BS, sure every once in a while a person will lay down a stupid fast run and smoke most people, but a 1d run is a 1d run. Just yesterday you were talking about 16.5s on the standard when in reality they run a .6 every two years or so on the most perfect set up arena. Time to get over it, 1d is 1d against tough horses period.
Where were they for the American?
That lady from SD should have been smoked by .8, or maybe the big dogs didnt show up because of the small payout...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Herbie - 2015-04-24 7:09 PM I have a 4 yo filly that is cruising a nice set, exhibitioned a little over a second off the horse that won the barrel race and priced affordably. I'd look for something that has been started and hauled a little that is bred nice that has the potential when finished to be the caliber horse you are wanting.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Pay the money and get one that's almost finished. That's my advice. I'm seasoning one right now and it's for the birds, but that's just me because I hate seasoning horses. Love riding colts and once they are past 90 days they aren't for me and riding/running finished horses. None of this in between crap. If I could it all over again, I'd just pay the money. |
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Location: East of the Pecos | Liana D - 2015-04-24 6:02 PM I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age.
This is what I would do, have someone you trust help pick out an older prospect 5-6 yrs. old more or less and train it for you. This person will be able to get on an older horse and tell if they have the feel or mind to make a nice horse in the least amount of time. I think the time spent searching can be frustrating and you will see horses all over the country and be tempted to go here and there and it's not worth it when you could end up with a better horse after training and ride it along with the trainer during the latter stages. My biggest advice is take your time, get a pro to help you, and don't buy sight unseen. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Bug Is Alive - 2015-04-25 8:09 AM
Liana D - 2015-04-24 6:02 PM I do 2 or 3 of these type of horses per year. Sometimes I buy for the customer and train, sometimes the customer buys and sends them. I've ridden them anywhere from 4 mo. To a year. in most cases, in the time you spend searching for 'the one', you could have one in training. I highly recommend it. A lot of times they have some age on them, like 4-6 yo, not just fut. age.
This is what I would do, have someone you trust help pick out an older prospect 5-6 yrs. old more or less and train it for you. This person will be able to get on an older horse and tell if they have the feel or mind to make a nice horse in the least amount of time. I think the time spent searching can be frustrating and you will see horses all over the country and be tempted to go here and there and it's not worth it when you could end up with a better horse after training and ride it along with the trainer during the latter stages. My biggest advice is take your time, get a pro to help you, and don't buy sight unseen.
See my signature!!! I have the perfect one advertised on this site! ;)
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Location: Texas | I didn't read all the comments, but this is my two cents....
Futurity horses require complete dedication. From training to seasoning and everything in between.
My good friend currently has a 2 year old for sale, it's broke (not to ride though), has very nice papers and she is asking $6,000. I know this horse will be a jam up barrel horse. But, after the money spent on a trainer and seasoning, you're going to be in at least another 5K - at minimum.
A finished barrel horse, high caliber, will start at $15,000 - all day long. If you find one for less, it will usually be for 1 of 3 reasons; age, health or arena/general horse issues.
So, with all that being said, I would suggest finding a finished horse. 
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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | When I was looking two years ago to get a trained barrel horse that was good for a beginner, I found it VERY hard to even find a decent horse, especially a trained barrel horse!!! I drove a few thousand miles and rode several horses until I found a match! BUT guess what, I was lied to by a WPRA rider and ended up with an expensive lame barrel horse that I ended up having to sell as a broodie!! I trusted someones WORD and got cheated!!!!!!! So I do think it is worth every penny to invest in a youngster and spend the time and money putting proper training into it!!!!!!!!!!!! But get a trainer with a solid reputation!! |
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| I truly respect everyone's opinions. I do find it very difficult this day in age and in the horse market we got to find a good seasoned, been there done that horse. It's hard to find someone to trust without the Ole Mighty Dollar sign flashing in there eyes. When I sell a horse I never lie or hesitate to tell them every thing bout that horse. But finding someone you truly trust is hard.I will admit I'm not the richest person or have loaded pockets. That's why I was asking opinons from everyone. The 10k and 15k is alot and most people like me only wish to have that but dont. Most of us have bout $3000-$5000 for a good horse. And I'll take everyone's advise and go with it and see where my money takes me. :) |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Ha, I was recommended to get a seasoned horse...
All of mine that I have bought need training.
I did end up with a seasoned barrel horse for $200 cause she had an injury and no one wanted to ride her cause she pins her ears!
I've put her on ulcer meds, getting her teeth done, she is getting chiropracted - the whole 9 yards... She is a free runner that has run 1D before... I'm hoping once all is said and done she will be one of my rodeo horses :)
My 6 year old I got for $3500 is going in training this summer, my 2 year old is to be broke in her 3 year old year and then she will be in training for futurities :) |
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Location: somewhere in the middle | Stats and video doesn't mean there's not a hole somewhere. Maybe it's gate sour now,unsound,super hard to ride,completely washed up,has a scew loose or is a barrel crasher. It could be all of those things and still have had some 1D wins and good videos. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | If you've got a $5,000 budget look at the reject cutters. Someone is always posting them on FB in that price range. They take to the barrels quickly because they have been ridden more than most "barrel prospects". I have a good contact in Western Oklahoma if you're interested you can send me a PM. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-28 11:07 AM
If you've got a $5,000 budget look at the reject cutters. Someone is always posting them on FB in that price range. They take to the barrels quickly because they have been ridden more than most "barrel prospects". I have a good contact in Western Oklahoma if you're interested you can send me a PM.
^^^ THIS!!! This is great advice. Look outside the Barrel ads for a potential. My daughter's mare is a wonderful reining reject. You may not get the "popular" bloodlines in the barrel pen, but you could get an amazing horse that is pretty broke in another arena and might need a little time at a trainers so they can be taught the pattern. If that isn't an option, buy a finished horse. It's not worth the headache, buying something hoping that maybe they might make a good barrel horse.
A lady down the road from me has an awesome barrel gelding who can lay out nice 2D times, he was bred for a while before being cut and I owned his daughter who made an excellent trail horse because the horse hated barrels, but yet her siblings have made nice ropers and barrel horses. |
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| SKM - 2015-04-24 7:02 PM
By the time you pay training on a 3 year old, you could have had a pretty expensive horse. When you buy a finished horse, you are basically paying for the seasoning. You would be looking at 6 months to a year in mist cases before a colt would be ready for you to go on with. You still have no guarantee that the prospect will even make a barrel horse. Just some points to consider. Good luck with whatever decision you make!
All of the above plus it might be something you just cannot get along in a run once it is finished. I have no idea why ppl think they can "save money" and get a nice horse this way, it very seldom works out.
Go to the bank and take out a loan for a nice finished horse you can enjoy. Be safe and put insurance on the horse. It will help build your credit and you can find a horse you will enjoy and that fits you.
Most of the time when people try to do what you are describing they end up with a futurity colt that just doesn't turn out and they have lost a ton of money in the horse. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | EqualRanch - 2015-04-25 2:32 PM I didn't read all the comments, but this is my two cents....
Futurity horses require complete dedication. From training to seasoning and everything in between.
My good friend currently has a 2 year old for sale, it's broke (not to ride though), has very nice papers and she is asking $6,000. I know this horse will be a jam up barrel horse. But, after the money spent on a trainer and seasoning, you're going to be in at least another 5K - at minimum.
A finished barrel horse, high caliber, will start at $15,000 - all day long. If you find one for less, it will usually be for 1 of 3 reasons; age, health or arena/general horse issues.
So, with all that being said, I would suggest finding a finished horse.
What does that mean? How is a horse broke, but not to ride? Just curious. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | This is just me... I always try to have one seasoned or almost seasoned horse around that I can go have fun on. I get burned out on younger horses and it takes the fun out of it. If you can find something you can have fun on and save a little money to buy a younger horse to futurity that is what I would do.
Right now my sold seasoned horse is pretty much retired so I have an 8 year old that is broke very decent that I have put on the back burner for the last 2 years. This is her year to step it up. She is a fun mare to ride but she is the only thing I have right now and I am looking for something that its a little farther along than she is so I don't get burned out or burn her out by pushing her to hard to fast. |
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Location: Arkansas | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-28 11:07 AM If you've got a $5,000 budget look at the reject cutters. Someone is always posting them on FB in that price range. They take to the barrels quickly because they have been ridden more than most "barrel prospects". I have a good contact in Western Oklahoma if you're interested you can send me a PM.
When Im ready for my next one, I will be getting ahold of you! I took a 12 year old team penning horse and after three weeks, (due to everything getting hurt!) my Mom hauled him to the BBR and won 3D money. I never got him back! lol.. Broke horses make everything easy. |
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