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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I realize that many people don't understand what's at stake and I would like to reiterate.
Last May one of our county commissioners stood up against the ever reaching long arm of an agency that is independent of our government structure. The Bureau of Land Management (BLM). This agency is not answerable to the people.
We often wonder who 'they' are. This is part of it.
'They' were created in 1946 when the Dept of Interior merged the General Land Office (GLO-created in 1800 w/the sole purpose of selling off land that the United States was prohited from owning) and the Grazing Service (created in 1934 to manage grazing on the lands that had yet to be dispersed...think Taylor Grazing Act).
Through the years Congress has allowed the BLM (and other agencies) to make the rules & regs without much if any oversight.
The 1946 debates over the Grazing Service led the Secretary of the Interior to combine that agency with the General Land Office to form the Bureau of Land Management. The BLM inherited the Grazing Service's mission of managing the public domain while it was still public and the General Land Office's mission of disposing of the public domain. In the eyes of some cattlemen, it was a temporary agency only necessary until they could gain title to the public domain.
But the Bureau survived and managed to hold on to most of its lands until 1976. In that year, Congress passed the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA), which ended the policy of land disposal. This law--which was largely written by the BLM--attempted to bring that agency up to Forest Service standards by prescribing inventories, a planning process, and sustained-yield and multiple-use management.
This has, in turn, created a situation where we have become 'subjects' much like the Lords & their peasants. Long before the Bundy Ranch standoff, several thousand county residents had planned an atv ride in a canyon that is on the outskirts of the small town of Blanding, Ut. This canyon had been the main thoroughfare for over a hundred years connecting the south to the north...the road was in use until 2008 when the BLM, urged by the monies from huge non-profits (Sierra Club, Earth First etc), closed it temporarily & erroneously charged 2 men $35k a piece for fixing a spot that was eroding...their (BLM) rules are that they can close a road for up to 2 years to buy time to prove a permanent closure. And that was that. They never re-opened it nor did they permanently close it. So we rode it! Keep in mind that we rode only a portion that is still open for maintanence of the town water supply pipes and had permission to do so.
Four men are facing charges this week in SLC federal court for 'conspiracy to break the law'. And then doing so. They face 1 year in prison and $100k fines. For riding an atv on an old road.
The non-profits interest in this land is due to Indian Artifacts. Lots of $$$ attached by way of donations, gov't grants...etc...I have no problem with those who enjoy archeology, I do, however, see it as a government sponsered hobby that we can ill afford.
I'm stopping here...what I really want to say is:
If we lose our land to an agency thats not directly answerable to us....we've lost our nation.
I'm asking that each of you keep these men & their families in your prayers...as they are fighting the good fight, for all of us and for our country.
Here's a link if you like history!
It's an easy to read & comprehend summary...
http://www.ti.org/blmintro.html
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| I just watched a Waco docu with my daughter, what govt agency can be trusted?
Is there anything new going on at the Bundy ranch? | |
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| Itsme - 2015-04-26 7:49 PM I just watched a Waco docu with my daughter, what govt agency can be trusted? Is there anything new going on at the Bundy ranch?
I don't know if it is the same documentary about Waco but I saw one and it was dumbfounding how the different agencies were not cooperating. The local law and the feds were in constant conflict. I don't remember if it was the local law or the feds but one was undermining the other every step of the way. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And Obama has been busy doing land grabbing all over the country. Our ranchers are being put out of business by not allowing grazing on some lands that have been grazed on for years.
- 500,000 acre, private property land- grab by U.S....
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www.westernjournalism.com/500000-acre-private-property... Cached -
Urgent action is needed to stop this huge new federal land grab ... “If Congress puts a circle around a land ... The Disturbing Picture Of Obama’s Kenyan ... -
Apr 04, 2015 · Conservatives breathe sigh of relief as Obama ends Utah visit without land grab. Pressing Congress to protect more of Alaskan refuge -
Mar 24, 2014 · EPA land grab? Agency claims authority over more streams, wetlands. Published March 25, 2014. FoxNews.com. Facebook 0 Twitter 0 livefyre Email Print. Feb ... -
Land Grab: The Bureau of Land Management plans a Bundy-like seizure of New Mexico land for a national monument that will restrict Border Patrol access and provide an ... -
May 29, 2014 · The Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument created by President Barack Obama on May 21 has angered some New Mexico residents, particularly ranchers ... -
2 Responses to “Obama Land Grab, 10M Acres from Montana to New Mexico; UPDATE: Video added” -
Aug 18, 2014 · Utah officials are scrambling to prevent the Obama administration from locking down thousands of acres of land in their backyard, as federal officials ... -
Apr 14, 2014 · 'Biggest land grab in the history of the world' ... Democrats awash in 'green' energy deals on public land. Clinton/Obama cronies behind Bundy showdown. -
“I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been ... -
Obama Signs Executive Order To ... to snatch private land. A press release recently disclosed by U.S. Congressman ... land and power grab ... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Keep an eye on the EPA as well concerning their WOTUS rule (waters of the United States) and the Clean Water Act. Huge potential for land grabbing there. One little tweak to how they decide to define "significant nexus" and it will be devastating to US agriculture.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Thsi pretty well sums up what the Bundy fiasco was about...there's another video that follows this, too...very informative.
It's water. Cool, clear, water. Muddied with greed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfFZTdBq-Xc
I admit...I'm more than concerned, not afraid for me...just praying that we can save our nation.
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| I remember back in the late mid-80's when it first started. The Missouri Corps of Engineers began blocking off roads and paths on government land. They used big boulders and iron bar gates, and even went in with equipment to destroy some roads. All to stop people from enjoying and exploring public land, along the rivers especially. I don't believe it's all about stopping ATV's, or protecting the environment either. I was on a trail ride a couple years ago with about 20 people and we were on a forestry trail. Some guy from the forestry service caught up to us and told us to get off the land, horses were not allowed. It is sad that they are stopping us from enjoying the land bought with tax payer money. It's all about controlling people. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | It is chaos.
Public opinion becomes a format for change...alas, public opinion is created through manipulation, non-truths and fantasy. It's not based on fact.
The 'mob' then begins to demand change that undermines our entire foundation...you either have those who won't get involved because it 'doesn't apply to them' or you have those who are filled with hatred, envy & a desire for revenge against those they've been convinced are the '1% ers', the 'privileged'...'red necked terrorists'...'racist' etc...
The truth is, the federal government does not own the public land in the west. They own a few post offices...theylease land in Monticello, UT that the BLM office is on, they lease part of the land that the federal building in SLC in on... the other part of the block being owned by the United States of America through the USPS.
Yellowstone National Park is the ONLY park that is owned by the USA...it was ceded by the state of Wyoming...the only legal & constitutional means for the U.S. to acquire large tracts of land.
To date...nothing else has been ceded by any other state and the Bishop Land Bill of Utah is on track to change that.
This is important to all Americans...not just those of us who live in these states.
Thanks for all your prayers & good thoughts!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Very excellent, eye opener. What does this have to do with barrel racing? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bear - 2015-04-27 10:13 AM Very excellent, eye opener. What does this have to do with barrel racing?
Lol...ya got me there since barrel racers don't ride on the wide open range, huh? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | musikmaker - 2015-04-27 11:21 AM
Bear - 2015-04-27 10:13 AM Very excellent, eye opener. What does this have to do with barrel racing?
Lol...ya got me there since barrel racers don't ride on the wide open range, huh?
Never......only in the arena. And this only effects farmers and ranchers, not barrel racers. My suggestion: stick to saddles, bell boots, and Fallon Taylor. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Bear - 2015-04-27 10:28 AM musikmaker - 2015-04-27 11:21 AM Bear - 2015-04-27 10:13 AM Very excellent, eye opener. What does this have to do with barrel racing? Lol...ya got me there since barrel racers don't ride on the wide open range, huh? Never......only in the arena. And this only effects farmers and ranchers, not barrel racers. My suggestion: stick to saddles, bell boots, and Fallon Taylor.
Hmmm...unless you consider the loss of our inalienable rights...I suppose that COULD affect barrel racing?
I have to say that I was very saddened when the political posts were removed from this site...I also saw the site's popularity diminish and know it's related to the pc crowd. Very sad, however, it IS a private business & I respect that. Action/reaction.
If this is removed I understand...too bad, too sad...bye bye, huh?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I read a great article about how the government is trying to grab a huge amount of land that will be set aside as a wilderness and no one will be able to enter it. I've been trying to find it as you can see by what they have grabbed already and you can connect the dots.
Here Congress is giving land from the Tonto National Forest to foreigners to mine Copper and the RINO McCain is the head Bastard to this deal so the so called Protecting or land is BS also. I would love to know how much money is padding McCain's pocket? Another Thief!
FacebookTwitterRedditStumbleUponGoogle+Tumblr Congress is poised to give a foreign mining company 2,400 acres of national forest in Arizona that is cherished ancestral homeland to Apache natives. Controversially, the measure is attached to annual legislation that funds the US Defense Department.
This week, the House and Senate Armed Services Committees quietly attached a provision to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would mandate the handover of a large tract of Tonto National Forest to Resolution Copper, a subsidiary of the Australian-English mining company Rio Tinto, which co-owns with Iran a uranium mine in Africa and which is 10-percent-owned by China.
The “Carl Levin and Howard P. ‘Buck’ McKeon National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2015” - named after the retiring chairmen of the Senate and House Armed Services panels - includes the giveaway of Apache burial, medicinal, and ceremonial grounds currently within the bounds of Tonto. News of the land provision was kept under wraps until late Tuesday, when the bill was finally posted online.
The land proposed to be given to Resolution Copper, in exchange for other lands, includes prime territory Apaches have used for centuries to gather medicinal plants and acorns, and it is near a spot known as Apache Leap, a summit that Apaches jumped from to avoid being killed by settlers in the late 19th century.
Lands included in the plan will stop 1,500 feet short of Apache Leap and will not initially include an area known as Oak Flats, though, when it comes to the oaks, contradictory legal parameters are but a minor hurdle for a company like Resolution Copper to eventually drill there.
The House may vote on the NDAA as soon as this week with rules included that would bar the Senate from amending the legislation. On Wednesday night, a last-minute effort to strip the land provision from the NDAA failed in the House Rules Committee, which voted to give one hour for debate over the NDAA in the House.
Terry Rambler, chairman of the San Carlos Apache Tribe, told The Huffington Post he was saddened by news of the proposal, yet not all that surprised. Senator John McCain. (Reuters / Joshua Roberts )
“The first thing I thought about was not really today, but 50 years from now, probably after my time, if this land exchange bill goes through, the effects that my children and children’s children will be dealing with,” Rambler added.
“Since time immemorial people have gone there. That’s part of our ancestral homeland," Rambler said. "We’ve had dancers in that area forever - sunrise dancers - and coming-of-age ceremonies for our young girls that become women. They’ll seal that off. They’ll seal us off from the acorn grounds, and the medicinal plants in the area, and our prayer areas.”
Arizona Sen. John McCain was instrumental in adding to the NDAA the land deal that had been pursued by Rio Tinto for a decade, according to HuffPo. Some in Congress were reportedly concerned with the deal, but it ultimately materialized thanks to economic assurances. Rio Tinto claims mining in Tonto will generate $61 billion in economic activity and 3,700 direct and indirect jobs over 40 years.
Rambler said whether Rio Tinto’s economic assertions are true or not, it may not matter.
“It seems like us Apaches and other Indians care more about what this type of action does to the environment and the effects it leaves behind for us, while others tend to think more about today and the promise of jobs, but not necessarily what our creator God gave to us,” he said.
Rambler said he was particularly concerned with long-term ramifications, including the company’s intent to use “block cave” mining, which means digging under the ore, causing it to collapse.
“What those mountains mean to us is that when the rain and the snow comes, it distributes it to us,” Rambler said. “It replenishes our aquifers to give us life.”
Resolution Copper has said its mining plan for the area has been filed with the National Forest Service and that it will comply with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) that supposedly protects federal lands. AFP Photo / Jeff Topping
“This is what will happen - the law in one area says there will be consultation, but the law in another area of the bill says the land exchange will happen within one year of enactment of this bill,” Rambler said. “So no matter what we’re doing within that one year, the consultation part won’t mean anything after one year. Because then it’s really theirs after that.”
Basically, NEPA will only protect lands that remain in federal hands. The rest is fair game, according to federal law.
“We would only have to do NEPA on any activity that would take place on remaining federal land,” said Arizona Bureau of Land Management official Carrie Templin.
The 2015 NDAA contains other land deals, including one that would subject 70,000 acres of Tongass National Forest in Alaska to logging and another provision that would give 1,600 acres from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington State for purposes of industrial development, a plan that has spurred tribal protest.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | First of all, this is more relevant to barrel racing than a lot of crap that gets posted here so thanks for keping us informed.
Second, does anyone think any of this is tied to the Jade Helm operations later on this summer or the Wally World closures? The story that the five WalMarts are closing for six months due to sewer issues is the biggest load of crap (pardon the pun) I have ever heard. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Anyone have a map of the Agenda 21 wilderness corridors handy? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I think the main thing here is to realize that 'they' (the BLM...and all of the the Dept. of Interior) are not 'us', the People. They aren't elected, they aren't answerable & they do not have the authority nor the jurisdictin to do these things.
I'm so very frustrated and disappointed that Cliven Bundy lost support due to his 'so-called' racist remarks...not that I think he's the ultimate hero! But, he is a patriot. If it had not been for the militia & social media, the Bundy family would have been killed along with all their cattle. I know this.
Water is the new gold.
The fed has yet to do anything about the Bundy's because they are wrong.
Tomorrow starts the jury selection in the case I originally mentioned.
We went to SLC for the arraignment...let me say, I haven't read one truth concerning even that in the papers. I'll be going to this, too...and will be taking notes! 5 men were originally charged...one case was dismissed, 3 were offered a plea bargain last week by the judge, of which they refused (yeah!!!)...and the other is my friend the commissioner. They are trying to make an example out of him especially since he is an elected official. He was the one responsible for re-opening our National Parks after Obama sought revenge against the people over the Health Care fillibuster by closing the parks. Our governor did take the pats on the back...doesn't matter.
Politics is ugly business. And that's all this is.
A jury cannot decide this case, nor can a judge...it will likely be dismissed, however, nothing would surprise me in todays world...Congress alone has the authroity & DUTY to make law concerning our unallocated lands.
It's past time for it to be transferred to the states in which they reside...all of it, including the Parks. It was held in trust for the "people of the states"...not the people of the United States...the people of the states. There is nothing United about this...
The states created the federal government...not the other way around!
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| Barnmom - 2015-04-27 12:12 PM
First of all, this is more relevant to barrel racing than a lot of crap that gets posted here so thanks for keping us informed.
Second, does anyone think any of this is tied to the Jade Helm operations later on this summer or the Wally World closures? The story that the five WalMarts are closing for six months due to sewer issues is the biggest load of crap (pardon the pun) I have ever heard.
There are lots of interesting conspiracy theories on the internet about Jade Helm and the Walmart closures. One is that there are underground tunnels to be used by the military under Walmart. A long while back I read something about the government giving Walmart grants to build new stores (like they needed that!). The stores that closed are located in the area where Jade Helm will operate. Other people think that it is because of union talk at these stores, but no one believes that fixing plumbing problems would take them 6 months or more. They wouldn't want to stay closed that long and lose that much money, so it's weird. Also, Isis camps have been discovered across the border in Mexico, maybe they're preparing for trouble from them. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Some may be interested in this, from one of the 'charged'...a friend who has a blog, part of what got him in 'trouble' with the revenuers, um fed...
The time has come after several months to go to trial for protesting against government tyranny in San Juan County Utah,. Court will start Tuesday at 8:30 am and go until 2:30 pm each day through Friday at the latest. For anyone that is planning on coming Tuesday will not be a good day to come because of jury selection and there won't be any room in the courtroom.
I have had some folks that have asked if they should come to protest. I would ask that if they decide to do that they will follow the law while exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.
For some reason the government believes that San Juan County residents are violent. Their is nothing to support this claim even when they raided 27 families homes in 2009 there was no violence by any residents. There was no violence when they were blowing up cabins and family mines on Elk Ridge or in South Cottonwood. There has been no violence even when their excessive rules and regulations has destroyed our mineral and oil industries potential in the county which in turn has had a hug negative affect on our economy making us the poorest county in the state with the highest property taxes. There was no violence when over 200 people lawfully protested against all this government tyranny in Recapture Canyon last May 10th so who knows where it is coming from but that is the way the government feels.
We are a peaceful freedom loving people and we need to guard ourselves from those that would join the cause of Freedom only to under mind it. Since last May we have learned a lot about these subversive groups and people that have ties to them. With all the media covering this trial the stage is set for these subversive groups to come out in force to cause more problems with miss spelled signs and bad behavior so use caution.
Here is a link to a map showing the location of the court if you do decide to come.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | teebluesage - 2015-04-27 12:05 PM Barnmom - 2015-04-27 12:12 PM First of all, this is more relevant to barrel racing than a lot of crap that gets posted here so thanks for keping us informed.
Second, does anyone think any of this is tied to the Jade Helm operations later on this summer or the Wally World closures? The story that the five WalMarts are closing for six months due to sewer issues is the biggest load of crap (pardon the pun) I have ever heard. There are lots of interesting conspiracy theories on the internet about Jade Helm and the Walmart closures. One is that there are underground tunnels to be used by the military under Walmart. A long while back I read something about the government giving Walmart grants to build new stores (like they needed that! ). The stores that closed are located in the area where Jade Helm will operate. Other people think that it is because of union talk at these stores, but no one believes that fixing plumbing problems would take them 6 months or more. They wouldn't want to stay closed that long and lose that much money, so it's weird. Also, Isis camps have been discovered across the border in Mexico, maybe they're preparing for trouble from them.
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Who are 'they'? Political