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Location: My own little world :) | Hello all? I was just curious how much Slick By Designs offspring is worth and/or how much people are advertising them for. I wasn't sure if there were any out and about yet as I'm not sure how old his first foal crop is yet. I would just like to kind of feel this out because I am thinking about breeding to him but want to be sure there is some resale value there in the event I don't get to keep the baby. I have just noticed a lot of foals of his have been born in the last year or two and wasn't sure if the market would be flooded. Would it be smarter to sell them as weanlings or hold on to them to keep as futurity colts to sell later? Thanks. |
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| Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value |
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Location: God's country | I'd be curious to know as well. We had a filly born earlier this month by him.
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-28 7:47 PM
Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value
I've also heard this figure used for pricing yearlings. Of course there are so many other things to take into consideration, and I think the quality of the dam is going to have a huge impact on the value. |
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Location: Texas | If it helps I was already asked to price a slick by design baby before it was even conceived.. sooo, I wouldn't worry too much. I would think 5000 baseline out of solid mares.. granted, the really nice mares will have very expensive slick babies, and the less popular bred horses will not command as much.
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| I agree you have to take into consideration the dam and also color on certain stallions. I have a black daughter of Dash For Perks out of a AAA an producing daughter of Master Hand in foal to him for 2016 |
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Location: My own little world :) | The mare that I would be breeding is a daughter by Darkelly with Beduino on the bottom side. She has only been a broodmare her whole life and hasn't had very many foals so I don't think she really counts as a stand out mare but I think her papers are a little better than run of the mill. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Jenbabe - 2015-04-28 9:05 PM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-28 7:47 PM
Usually it's two to three times the stud fee is how you figure foal value
I've also heard this figure used for pricing yearlings. Of course there are so many other things to take into consideration, and I think the quality of the dam is going to have a huge impact on the value.
This^^^ The value is better from a well-papered mare than from a scrub... |
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| Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!!
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Robin H. had a royally bred firewaterontherocks x pie in the sky mare that she reasonably priced at 10k and sold within a few hours, she priced to sale. She could have easily asked more IMO. Foals are worth whatever you can get a sucker to pay.
When we sold our first high priced colt the lady wrote the check at the futurity and asked, "Do you think these horses are worth what we pay for them." The owner just laughed and said, "Only if you can get a sucker to pay it!" I always think of that and giggle....horses are worth what people will pay. And theres a huge difference in reasonably pricing one to sale, putting one up for sale (if he sales fine, if he don't fine) and then there pricing one to sale.
The fourth category is if you walk up to me and I have no thoughts of selling before you approached me, then you better have deep pockets. On the fourth kind I'll ask an outrageous price because I don't want to sale and some ppl will get offended but hey they weren't for sale and you asked for a price, don't get offended when I ask a crazy price betting you can't afford it. But there has been the occasional time we've bet wrong and they can afford the crazy price even when we didn't want to sale.
Slick babies are unproven so your going to have a hard time selling them to ppl thats been in the business if your asking a high price. This first foal crop isn't going to command an extremely high price right off the bat but like I said are you wanting a reasonable price, naming a price (if he sales fine if he don't fine), or pricing to sale? |
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Location: My own little world :) | astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 7:22 AM
Whatever you can get a sucker to pay you for one LOL
Robin H. had a royally bred firewaterontherocks x pie in the sky mare that she reasonably priced at 10k and sold within a few hours, she priced to sale. She could have easily asked more IMO. Foals are worth whatever you can get a sucker to pay.
When we sold our first high priced colt the lady wrote the check at the futurity and asked, "Do you think these horses are worth what we pay for them." The owner just laughed and said, "Only if you can get a sucker to pay it!" I always think of that and giggle....horses are worth what people will pay. And theres a huge difference in reasonably pricing one to sale, putting one up for sale (if he sales fine, if he don't fine) and then there pricing one to sale.
The fourth category is if you walk up to me and I have no thoughts of selling before you approached me, then you better have deep pockets. On the fourth kind I'll ask an outrageous price because I don't want to sale and some ppl will get offended but hey they weren't for sale and you asked for a price, don't get offended when I ask a crazy price betting you can't afford it. But there has been the occasional time we've bet wrong and they can afford the crazy price even when we didn't want to sale.
Slick babies are unproven so your going to have a hard time selling them to ppl thats been in the business if your asking a high price. This first foal crop isn't going to command an extremely high price right off the bat but like I said are you wanting a reasonable price, naming a price (if he sales fine if he don't fine), or pricing to sale?
Thank you for this! This is very thorough and gives me a lot to think about. This is my mare's pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ima+darkelly+gal. Like I said I think she has a decent set of papers but not fantastic. Since the foals are unproven would it be wise to keep one longer? Thanks :) |
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| Well right now everyone is real big on darkelly bc of kellys chick. Your mare is decent but she's no blue hen so she's not gonna jump out and catch the eye of futurity ppl, and some will shy away because of the beduino. I'd hang onto him, put a handle on him, and try him myself just so I could see the mind and athleticism slick is throwing first hand..chances are your going to get a higher price. But if he don't turn out to be what your looking for sale as a late 2 or early 3 while ppl think he is still going to be a hot rod futurity colt LOL
ETA that is a gorgeous mare! Do you have a picture of her setting up in under herself you can add?
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM
Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!!
I hope you guys are joking ...
That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | And all of this is why I did not breed to Slick this year, nice as he is. And I have a couple super bred mares. |
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Location: Texas | Well I will also say, if you're going into it to turn a profit.. that's going to be really hard. With any horse, not just him. If you take into account everything that could possibly go wrong.. you'll be in the red.
I lost money on my First Down French colt and I sold him for 4500. That's what he was worth, being a sorrel colt out of a maiden mare. But he had some vet bills as a baby that put me over what he was worth.
I lost money on the Confederate Leader I sold because I did a partial trade + cash for another horse. But it was totally worth it and we got a steal on a finished horse because of it.
The two yearlings I have this year I would definitely make money on if I decided to sell them, but we are keeping both. That whole year was an easy year- got three mares in foal, averaged about $600 each in vet bills, no complications during pregnancy, foaling, or after. And we decided to keep. LOL.
The two mares we are breeding this year, so far it looks like the JOH mare would turn a profit because she took on one try, has not needed any regumate, and so far it's been smooth. My stoli mare will probably lose money again because she slipped between day 15-20, and we are treating her a second time for a uterine infection. We didn't breed her until she cultured negative the first time.. and somehow got dirty again. So she's spending her second trip at the vet, second round of cultures, second round of lavages and systemic antibiotics, second round of preg checks, second round of shipping...
LONG story short.. It's really hard to make money doing this.
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Well I will also say, if you're going into it to turn a profit.. that's going to be really hard. With any horse, not just him. If you take into account everything that could possibly go wrong.. you'll be in the red.
I lost money on my First Down French colt and I sold him for 4500. That's what he was worth, being a sorrel colt out of a maiden mare. But he had some vet bills as a baby that put me over what he was worth.
I lost money on the Confederate Leader I sold because I did a partial trade + cash for another horse. But it was totally worth it and we got a steal on a finished horse because of it.
The two yearlings I have this year I would definitely make money on if I decided to sell them, but we are keeping both. That whole year was an easy year- got three mares in foal, averaged about $600 each in vet bills, no complications during pregnancy, foaling, or after. And we decided to keep. LOL.
The two mares we are breeding this year, so far it looks like the JOH mare would turn a profit because she took on one try, has not needed any regumate, and so far it's been smooth. My stoli mare will probably lose money again because she slipped between day 15-20, and we are treating her a second time for a uterine infection. We didn't breed her until she cultured negative the first time.. and somehow got dirty again. So she's spending her second trip at the vet, second round of cultures, second round of lavages and systemic antibiotics, second round of preg checks, second round of shipping...
LONG story short.. It's really hard to make money doing this.
YES I paid a $3600 vet bill yesterday on three mares that is the second bill of that amount I have paid this year and not counting my cultures, teeth etc I done previous to dropping them off to start breeding. I have well over $3000 JUST IN VET FEES no shipping, fuel money etc on my mare in foal to SBD and I haul almost 2hrs one way to vet. UGH it is NOT a way to make a profit lol |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I've had three foals at this point, sold two, and flipped one broodmare. I broke even on the broodmare I sold by the time you added in purchase price (1000) and gas, stud fee (stallion auction though for cheap, only $300 on a nice stud) and one big unexpected vet bill for two corneal ulcers. But I sold her for 1750 more than I paid and only had her about 7 months. The girl who bought her and I are great facebook friends and talk breeding all the time. We have very similar taste in bloodlines. So I got a friend out of the deal.
On my two babies, IF you were only taking into account the money I spent on breeding, feed, and vet. Well I did okay. The first baby I kept I would have profited on based on a few offers I turned down but she's not going any where, ever. The first baby I sold, I had $1500 in stud fee (with shipping), $500 in vet bills for mare, $250 in vet bills for baby, $250 in insurance, $250 in incentives, $750 in feed. Sold her for 7500. The second, $1100 in stud fee (with shipping), $250 in vet, $150 in incentives, $125 in insurance, $750 in feed. Sold for 4500. Honestly the second baby I would have bred differently and made more on if we hadn't been breeding for a track baby for ourselves and decided to sell at the last minute. Still did okay though. I've had great luck with easy breeding mares though.
Unfortunately, I only have had one very nice broodmare and we own 12 other horses in addition to her. My futurity prospect is expensive, lol. And of course I'm breeding my dream baby this year that I'm keeping from the profits I made last year. So we've had a net loss though it looks like a profit if you are ONLY looking at the breeding side.
Of course I just bought another really nice broodmare and have my eyes open for another one though it will probably be fall or early next spring before we move on it. (I had one all picked out and then it went and died, pooh). That dream baby, well if its a filly will one day join the broodmare band and hopefully really increase what I can make. If its a colt, I'm not sure on that yet. I'm exploring all avenues.
All that said, even with a great mare, I didn't want to compete with 200 other babies on a stallion that is a proven performer but not yet a proven producer. Now if I was keeping it, that would be a WHOLE different kettle of fish. If he becomes a proven producer and I'm looking at breeding another broodmare prospect I may rethink him. He's certainly a VERY NICE horse. |
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For 2016 I am really torn on what I am going to do.
There are a few lesser known studs that I am really drawn to this year for 2016 breedings, but I know resale will be a problem.
So I am not sure what my plan is for that.
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Location: My own little world :) | astreakinchic - 2015-04-29 7:54 AM
Well right now everyone is real big on darkelly bc of kellys chick. Your mare is decent but she's no blue hen so she's not gonna jump out and catch the eye of futurity ppl, and some will shy away because of the beduino. I'd hang onto him, put a handle on him, and try him myself just so I could see the mind and athleticism slick is throwing first hand..chances are your going to get a higher price. But if he don't turn out to be what your looking for sale as a late 2 or early 3 while ppl think he is still going to be a hot rod futurity colt LOL
ETA that is a gorgeous mare! Do you have a picture of her setting up in under herself you can add?
Thank you :) I don't have any pictures of her right now...the picture on all breed was from the previous owner and I really hate it. She looks all goofy and disproportionate. I'll see if I can get one tomorrow. So far i am really happy with her temperament and the temperament of the two year old filly I have out of her. That filly is by a stud with Strawfly Special, Pie In the Sky, and Beduino on his papers. Why do people shy away from Beduino bred horses? So far I really like this filly...she is very laid back but all I have done is ground work so far so I'm not sure what she will be like under saddle. |
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Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love ..
If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 5:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I personally love some beduino horses but I have seen ones that just cannot take pressure and its the pressure part futurity ppl will shy from...
I know not everyone does futurities but anytime you talk about the value of young horses I feel like your target audience is futurity ppl
I don't care for the Mr Eye Opener bred horses, had one that would work amazing at home but take him to a show and he'd be like "squirrel"! He finally settled out and made a decent rodeo/jackpot mount for his owner around the age of 8. |
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
I agree and don't agree with this. I bred to BJO when he wasn't considered "proven" I bred to him because I loved his style and what he accomplished with different riders. To me proven is what they can accomplish even before they start breeding. He also wasn't a designer bloodline and I had a lot of people tell me I was crazy. I took into effect the type of mares he was being bred to and couldn't see how his babies wouldn't excell. Boy, am I glad I bred to him when I did because I couldn't afford it now! And his babies are going at a pretty good price tag. I believe the same in Slick. I'm pretty sure I will breed my FWF mare to him next year. He has bred to some pretty amazing mares, he is a great outcross and has color and won under different riders. How could you go wrong with those chances? |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-30 7:40 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 5:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I personally love some beduino horses but I have seen ones that just cannot take pressure and its the pressure part futurity ppl will shy from... I know not everyone does futurities but anytime you talk about the value of young horses I feel like your target audience is futurity ppl I don't care for the Mr Eye Opener bred horses, had one that would work amazing at home but take him to a show and he'd be like "squirrel"! He finally settled out and made a decent rodeo/jackpot mount for his owner around the age of 8.
I have seen so many beautiful, big Beduino horses but I have also heard horrible things about them. It definetely shys me away. From the different things I am told, they are very fragile minded and hot. Some people this isnt a deal breaker and some people love hot horses. I am not one of them. |
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Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
They handed BJO well. Meaning they hand picked some quality mares and they got his babies into good hands. Not that high point performance horses isn't doing that but I just don't agree with how many they bred and who they bred to for his first year out. I feel like Firewaterontherocks has been managed smarter than any other stallion in his early years. Robin hand picked great mares and got those babies into great hands and they have excelled. She went in with an excellent marketing plan and set him up to be a big dog. |
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Location: Decatur, Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 12:27 PM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I've ridden several Beduino grandget and two of them were straight run offs. Two others had a ton of speed but they didn't have any turn. I used to be located in southern California and we had a ton of resale prospects from Los Al that go on to be barrel prospects. Alot of the race sires who have Beduino on the bottom have a reputation for putting too much speed and not enough turn/brains. I personally shy away from Mr Eye Opener because the two I've ridden were nuts. |
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Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
This is the way I felt when I decided on SBD last year. I have talked to a vet that has worked on him personally and he has nothing but wonderful things to say about him. Says he's his favorite stallion going down the road. I felt that if he produced like he performs he will be way more expensive in the future. I appreciate his owners keeping him affordable, but do wish they had limited his book a little more. I bred mine to keep since it was this mare's first baby and I want to see how she produces. We got a pretty little dark bay filly, so I was tickled with that. It will be interesting to see how his get do in the future. |
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| There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
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| RHRanch - 2015-04-30 7:56 AM
Tn_Barrelracer - 2015-04-29 9:28 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-29 2:17 AM Stud fee $2000 plus vetting, mare care and misc will take you to $3000 in a hurry. Then feeding and caring for the mare for 18 months and handling and caring for the foal for 6 months without any problems is another $2000 and you will want the breeder to only ask 2-3 times the stud fee??!! I hope you guys are joking ... That is why I think it is hard to accept paying that kind of fee for a unproven sire. Three times his stud fee is going to be $6000 you are BARELY breaking even and I know I have more then that in mine because I had a HECK of a time getting my mare in foal to him so vet fees outrageous lol. But on the other end I can buy a FWOTR out of a nice mare for $10,000 to 12,000 and he is PROVEN and PROVEN producer so why the heck would I gamble on a unproven producer and pay the same $ ? Unless I just personally totally loved him ? Answer is simple for me I wouldn't. Everyone will price them different so we will see and I hope he turns out to be a incredible producer!
I also bred to BJO before he became HOT and SO glad I did ! I also bought a yearling and bred two mares to him this year. BUT when he first started breeding I bred a mare to keep a baby so resale didn't matter. I do remember his fee was VERY reasonable for a unproven sire and that is what I am getting at. I think they set SBD up to be a outstanding producer with the mares they bred and they will get them in top trainers hands so the rest is left up to him so to speak. |
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
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westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
How many mares are you going to breed him to this year?
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| I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands, that being said, we obviously don't know what Slick will produce yet. However, it is a FACT that he holds the record for the fastest time a stallion has run at the NFR. He himself is very proven, which we don't see that often with barrel horse stallions. He is a great outcross in the barrel industry, and having both ridden him and lead him to the dummy to collect, he is an amazing individual. I personally think you'd be smart to breed to him now, before his babies start winning everything and that stud fee goes up. |
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 6:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
I think you have done a great job promoting slick. If I were into the breeding business, Slick is the kinda stud I would breed to. Proven himself with the blood to back him up. Those are the kind of studs bettering the industry!  |
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cnchaser1486 - 2015-04-30 8:55 PM
I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands,
and yet here you are.
and so are you. Nasty comments like the "726" is not needed regarding someone's business. I think it is terrible to try to bring a business down before it even has a chance to be started. Why don't you wait and see and let his get speak for themselves before you do it for them.  |
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| westrnridr - 2015-04-30 7:10 PM
There are deffinetly different mind sets on how to promote a stallion. We hand picked some of the best mares in the country to breed to Slick.
Firewater Fiesta, Baby Flo, Kellies Chick, Sissys Lil Coin, Pue Victory Dash, RC Back InBlack, Movin, Rods Last Ladybug, Dolly, Repeat Fame,KN Fabs Mist of Fame, She's Free Ta Flame, Sol Olena,firewater Vanilla, Bars Sweet Legacy, Dora's Special Dream, XV Wild Child to name a few. We also have foals in top NFR and Futurity riders as well as great owners.
Our goal was to have in 4 years from now some great Slick babies, owned by great owners being ridden by great trainers and riders. If they perform like we think they will then there will be a huge demand for his foals and the people who have a youngster sitting in their pasture will reap the bennifits of breeding to him early in his career.
Most of the people who bred to Slick did not breed to him to resale their foals. We are constantly hearing they are keeping this one to ride! That's a good sign as a stallion owner. This will also keep the numbers down for the people who do want to sell his foals.
We have had a lot of success in promoting our stallions and time will tell if we made the correct choice. As everyone knows on these forums there are ALOT of armchair quarterbacks in this business.
We have 2 jr stallions coming up that are both out at the trainers getting started. One is a DTF x Firewater Fiesta and the other is a DTF x Stingraythat we hope to add to our stallion line up.
Watch for Slick back out on the rodeo trail in June!
Anyway you'd share pictures of those two jr studs?!?! Pretty please?  |
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| I don't think anyone intended for this to become a degrading or nasty post in anyway :) I LOVE watching Slick run and love to hear fellow breeders thoughts. I think we can all see his owners are wonderful and business smart people and we don't know how we would approach it if we ever had the chance to own such a awesome individual. |
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arion - 2015-05-01 4:39 AM
cnchaser1486 - 2015-04-30 8:55 PM
I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands,
and yet here you are.
and so are you. Nasty comments like the "726" is not needed regarding someone's business. I think it is terrible to try to bring a business down before it even has a chance to be started. Why don't you wait and see and let his get speak for themselves before you do it for them.
I'm invested.
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| Disclaimer right off the bat: I have two beautiful Slick by Design weanlings that I wouldn't trade for anything in the world.
Each and every person in this business has their own opinion as well as a CHOICE in who they breed their mares too. It is quite evident that there is a significant interest in Slick from all aspects of the horse industry.
I dont have a mare that has 100,000 in earnings and has been to the NFR, but I still feel that I have super mare power backed behind the two weanlings that I have on the ground this year.
It is very easy for people to judge and degrade pricing and the number of mares that are being bred every year. Dash Ta Fame did not become popular and produce winners by breeding 30 mares a year? Being an everyday working class citizen that enjoys having well bred and proven horses/colts, it is nice to be able to breed to a stallion that has 1. ran the FASTEST time of any stallion at the NFR 2. LTE over 300,000 3. Is the most well mannered and kind individual I have ever had the privelage to spend significant time around. 4. Is promoted by a class act facility that respects their horse and program enough to offer such an outstanding individual at an affordable rate.
His fee could have easily been $3500(based on his statistics alone) and he would have probably made more money for them. The ordinary horse enthusiast would likely not have been able to afford to breed to him though.
Of course, there is no way to know if he is a producer or not as he has not had a chance to prove himself. But I can guarantee one thing is true, I have not had one second thought about breeding two quality mares to this amazing stallion. Was it cheap in the end? Heck no. But was it worth it? Absolutely. Will I breed back to him? Absoutely.
We all have a choice, if you dont agree with it, or you dont like it- the solution is simple. Go find a stallion that fits your program and the price that you are willing to pay and be satisfied. Everyone has a choice of how they run their program- no reason to portray negativity on anyones concept of promoting their stallion or horse. |
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Location: My own little world :) | Wow!!! This thread kind of took a turn! I was simply asking questions from a business standpoint. I by no means wanted to encourage negativity in any way and feel grateful that many of us have to opportunity to breed to such a champion when in many cases we would never be able to. I think the owners obviously know what they are doing... Look at the success they have in many different areas of the horse industries. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I don't think anyone has questioned whether or not Slick was a nice horse. He very clearly is. Some have said they may wait to breed to him until he is as proven as a producer as he clearly has done as a performer. As far as value like the OP was asking, some of that depends but there haven't been many Slick babies for sale so there is not a consistent gauge yet. Every year the market changes. Those of us who watch the market you bet will be watching to see how his get do both in terms of sales and in terms of performance. Most of what I breed I sale so this is of concern to me.
Better performance records produces greater interest in his offspring and greater interest in making his bloodlines part of our breeding programs too. I have said and will say again. I have an interest in breeding to Slick likely for a broodmare prospect. I can afford to wait until his produce have a little more in the way of a record, even if his fee goes up. He is certainly a beautiful animal. |
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| arion - 2015-05-01 10:15 AM
Tatum2 - 2015-05-01 8:38 AM
arion - 2015-05-01 4:39 AM
cnchaser1486 - 2015-04-30 8:55 PM
I hate forums, people with too much time on their hands,
and yet here you are.
and so are you. Nasty comments like the "726" is not needed regarding someone's business. I think it is terrible to try to bring a business down before it even has a chance to be started. Why don't you wait and see and let his get speak for themselves before you do it for them.
I'm invested.
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Try Wall Street... |
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Location: Texas | I picked Slick because I've watched him since he was a late 3YO exhibitioning at the local stuff I was at. Then when he started running futurities, he let everyone know what kind of competitor he was. I was at Magnolia when Jennifer Sharp broke the arena record on him.. Was at ANHA when Kim pretty much swept the race, Watched him at the Wrapn3 Futurity running the only sub 15 times of the whole weekend including the open.. Kept up with him when Jennifer and he won the world, and have not stopped watching him the whole time Michelle has pro rodeoed on him. Pretty much, he's held up to every possible level of competition I would want to ever shoot for some day.
I want one of my own, LOL. It will be HARD to sell mine when it gets here!
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Location: Bandera, TX | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 4:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
My back is the way it is because those Beduino's left the gate! I loved the few that I had crossed on a Leonard Milligan mare and a Doc Quixotte. Kelly Allen crossed one in similiar fashion and it was nice as well.
Back to Slick, he is quality...I would run a nice minded mare up under him however. As I have my reasons - DR studs and fillies they can be head strong. So make sure the minds are going to be able to think while in fast mode.
I had the pleasure to exercise a stud while at Bandera Downs, I could ride him to the creek behind the track and pony a gelding and swim them for their "off days" exercise. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | casualdust07 - 2015-05-02 11:21 AM I picked Slick because I've watched him since he was a late 3YO exhibitioning at the local stuff I was at. Then when he started running futurities, he let everyone know what kind of competitor he was. I was at Magnolia when Jennifer Sharp broke the arena record on him.. Was at ANHA when Kim pretty much swept the race, Watched him at the Wrapn3 Futurity running the only sub 15 times of the whole weekend including the open.. Kept up with him when Jennifer and he won the world, and have not stopped watching him the whole time Michelle has pro rodeoed on him. Pretty much, he's held up to every possible level of competition I would want to ever shoot for some day. I want one of my own, LOL. It will be HARD to sell mine when it gets here!
He was so much fun to watch! Ms Allene would talk on and on about what a special horse Slick was and how happy she was to see him and Kim accomplish all they did. |
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How old are you going to be in 8-15 years and
then by the time you finally get you a foal on the ground you have another 8-15 years to find out if your mare could produce anything worth while ...
and then if you have a stallion it is going to take another 8-15 years for him to "prove" himself .....
gonna be a bunch of old wore out nursing home barrel racers trying to ride some fast colts in the next 15-30-45 years ... I hope I am still around so I can start a youtube series of nursing home wheelchair barrel races ... lol
I am so happy to see SLICK BY DESIGN accomplish what he has in such a professional all business work ethic in such a short time!!
His sire is ON THE MONEY RED and is the #3 all time leading sires of money earners and his sire DESIGNER RED is still alive and breeding in Brazil and is #11 .. out of the top 20 sires in barrel racing history ... What more could you want in a stallion??
ENJOY THE STORY OF ... ON THE MONEY RED ... and DESIGNER RED ... while we are watching their great accomplishments of their son and grandson SLICK BY DESIGN!!
http://americashorsedaily.com/on-the-money-red/#.VUUOeth0xwE
I admire the owners of SBD in keeping his fee down to where he is affordable .. but if you are an old retired coot like me ... you have to say your prayers and hope for a phone call that you have won the drawing by his generous owners of a free breeding!!.. lol
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Location: sunny california | For many people... if you wait until he is proven producer, chances are you won't be able to afford him anymore... |
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Location: So. California | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-05-02 11:00 AM I think it is hilarious to hear people say .. I am going to wait until SLICK BY DESIGN is a producer!! ... How old are you going to be in 8-15 years and then by the time you finally get you a foal on the ground you have another 8-15 years to find out if your mare could produce anything worth while ... and then if you have a stallion it is going to take another 8-15 years for him to "prove" himself ..... gonna be a bunch of old wore out nursing home barrel racers trying to ride some fast colts in the next 15-30-45 years ... I hope I am still around so I can start a youtube series of nursing home wheelchair barrel races ... lol I am so happy to see SLICK BY DESIGN accomplish what he has in such a professional all business work ethic in such a short time!! His sire is ON THE MONEY RED and is the #3 all time leading sires of money earners and his sire DESIGNER RED is still alive and breeding in Brazil and is #11 .. out of the top 20 sires in barrel racing history ... What more could you want in a stallion?? ENJOY THE STORY OF ... ON THE MONEY RED ... and DESIGNER RED ... while we are watching their great accomplishments of their son and grandson SLICK BY DESIGN!! http://americashorsedaily.com/on-the-money-red/#.VUUOeth0xwE I admire the owners of SBD in keeping his fee down to where he is affordable .. but if you are an old retired coot like me ... you have to say your prayers and hope for a phone call that you have won the drawing by his generous owners of a free breeding!!.. lol
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Location: Bandera, TX | BHUSA, Thanks for sharing!!
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Location: Texas | My mare is hopefully getting bred again this week. She took on first try but slipped between 15-25. Not his fault at all. For some reason she's not relaxing her cervix in-between cycles so she's not expelling much out of her uterus so she's getting infections. So we cleaned her out again, made 100000% sure she has a clean culture, we're short cycling next week and post breeding lavages after that. And regumate. LOL. Darn mare! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I had to wait 10 years to breed to DTF. I'm doing that this year. In 8 years I won't even be 40. 8 years after that I'll be in my mid 40s. Think I can wait AND afford it.  |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | kwanatha - 2015-05-02 12:28 PM For many people... if you wait until he is proven producer, chances are you won't be able to afford him anymore... I think there is alot of truth in that.
I've got my eye on a stud that is only 3 but can't wait to breed too because I know I won't be able to afford him in a few years. 
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Location: PNW | stayceem - 2015-04-30 6:34 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-30 7:40 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-04-30 5:27 AM Most shy away from Beduino horses because they are scared to death of their speed and hard gathering away from a barrel .... Most of the bad actor stories are from people that have never owned one .. when pressed I have never got anyone to name the bad actor Beduino horse they claimed they owned ... and then in the next sentence they name a Beduino bred stallion they just love .. If you want to add some speed, cut the time off the clock and have a sweet hard working oriented barrel horse ... buy one as close to Beduino as you can ... if they were bad actors .. they would not be so successful on the track!!
I personally love some beduino horses but I have seen ones that just cannot take pressure and its the pressure part futurity ppl will shy from... I know not everyone does futurities but anytime you talk about the value of young horses I feel like your target audience is futurity ppl I don't care for the Mr Eye Opener bred horses, had one that would work amazing at home but take him to a show and he'd be like "squirrel"! He finally settled out and made a decent rodeo/jackpot mount for his owner around the age of 8.
I have seen so many beautiful, big Beduino horses but I have also heard horrible things about them. It definetely shys me away. From the different things I am told, they are very fragile minded and hot. Some people this isnt a deal breaker and some people love hot horses. I am not one of them.
This made me chuckle. My gelding that I am running right now, that I love to absolute pieces and would never sell for a million dollars..... Is by MEO out of a Beduino/Streakin Six mare. I wonder what this says about myself? lol
He is a TALENTED horse, unGodly fast, and quirky doesn't even begin to describe his personality. He's also mine, and I love him, and we get along perfectly. |
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