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Location: God's country | I got word from the breeding farm today that one of my mares still is not pregnant after 2 tries. This is a very reputable breeding facility that I have complete faith in. They say she has an infection that they can't get cleared up. This is a rebreed so I'll lose the breeding if they can't get her pregnant. However I don't want to spend thousands to have no foal. Should I just cut my losses? Are some infections just not able to be healed? Just looking for some thoughts
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | How old is she and can you switch mares? |
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Location: God's country | 17 and no I don't have a mare to switch. The other 3 have all been bred. |
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| Some mares are just not meant to have foals. IMO it is still your responsiblitly as the owner to get the infection cleared up...with or without a foal. |
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Location: God's country | Well from what the breeding manager told me they have tried repeatedly to get it cleared up. She has been out there since the first of March and it is still an issue. |
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| What stud? |
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Location: God's country | LSOF. I bought the mare at the end of last year to get her out of a bad situation. I knew nothing of her reproductive history other than she had a foal 2 years ago. I had her cultured before taking her to the breeding facility and my local vet commented that it was a potentially problematic infection that the culture showed. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | Any chance you can lease a mare or sell the breeding? |
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Location: God's country | I haven't thought of leasing one. I doubt I could sell the breeding since it's a rebreed. Plus the stallion owner has been great to work with and gone above and beyond. |
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| What kind of infection? Also, even reputable farms miss things. When we have a weird situation that isn't resolving we get second and third opinions. |
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Location: God's country | The culture I had done here showed Pseudomonas sp. and Acintetobacter schindleri. Few colonies of each |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Pseudo is relatively easy to treat *typically*. Acinetobactor is your big boy. It's a very virulent bug. In treating the Acinetobactor, it could be causing the Pseudo to become more drug resistant as well.
Did they do a sensitivity as well on your original culture? It is treatable, it just has to be treated specifically.
Edited by Leo 2015-04-29 4:25 PM
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Location: God's country | Leo - 2015-04-29 4:18 PM
Pseudo is relatively easy to treat *typically*. Acinetobactor is your big boy. It's a very virulent bug. In treating the Acinetobactor, it could be causing the Pseudo to become more drug resistant as well. Not a good situation all the way around.
Well that certainly sheds light on the situation. They were talking about aggressively lavaging her with DMSO but again there is the question of how much? I'm not rich by any means and can't afford to keep going with this if its a dead end. I wasn't familiar with the different bugs so thank you for the information. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | redcbrf3 - 2015-04-29 4:24 PM
Leo - 2015-04-29 4:18 PM
Pseudo is relatively easy to treat *typically*. Acinetobactor is your big boy. It's a very virulent bug. In treating the Acinetobactor, it could be causing the Pseudo to become more drug resistant as well. Not a good situation all the way around.
Well that certainly sheds light on the situation. They were talking about aggressively lavaging her with DMSO but again there is the question of how much? I'm not rich by any means and can't afford to keep going with this if its a dead end. I wasn't familiar with the different bugs so thank you for the information.
You're very welcome. I've been in the 'infection' boat before and it's no fun at all.
Did you get a sensativity with your culture? Have they flushed her with Naxcel? |
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Location: God's country | Leo - 2015-04-29 4:35 PM
redcbrf3 - 2015-04-29 4:24 PM
Leo - 2015-04-29 4:18 PM
Pseudo is relatively easy to treat *typically*. Acinetobactor is your big boy. It's a very virulent bug. In treating the Acinetobactor, it could be causing the Pseudo to become more drug resistant as well. Not a good situation all the way around.
Well that certainly sheds light on the situation. They were talking about aggressively lavaging her with DMSO but again there is the question of how much? I'm not rich by any means and can't afford to keep going with this if its a dead end. I wasn't familiar with the different bugs so thank you for the information.
You're very welcome. I've been in the 'infection' boat before and it's no fun at all.
Did you get a sensativity with your culture? Have they flushed her with Naxcel?
I'm not sure what they've flushed her with. They are supposed to call me back tomorrow after the manager and vet had talked. The culture showed on the Acinetobacter schindleri sensitive to Ampicillin, Ceftiofur, and Sulfisoxazole. Resistant to Gentamicin and Penicillin. The Pseudomonas was sensitive to Ampicillin, Ceftiofur and Gentamicin. Resistant to Penicillin and Sulfisoxazole. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | redcbrf3 - 2015-04-29 4:57 PM
Leo - 2015-04-29 4:35 PM
redcbrf3 - 2015-04-29 4:24 PM
Leo - 2015-04-29 4:18 PM
Pseudo is relatively easy to treat *typically*. Acinetobactor is your big boy. It's a very virulent bug. In treating the Acinetobactor, it could be causing the Pseudo to become more drug resistant as well. Not a good situation all the way around.
Well that certainly sheds light on the situation. They were talking about aggressively lavaging her with DMSO but again there is the question of how much? I'm not rich by any means and can't afford to keep going with this if its a dead end. I wasn't familiar with the different bugs so thank you for the information.
You're very welcome. I've been in the 'infection' boat before and it's no fun at all.
Did you get a sensativity with your culture? Have they flushed her with Naxcel?
I'm not sure what they've flushed her with. They are supposed to call me back tomorrow after the manager and vet had talked. The culture showed on the Acinetobacter schindleri sensitive to Ampicillin, Ceftiofur, and Sulfisoxazole. Resistant to Gentamicin and Penicillin. The Pseudomonas was sensitive to Ampicillin, Ceftiofur and Gentamicin. Resistant to Penicillin and Sulfisoxazole.
If it is sensative to Ceftiofur, then it should be sensative to Naxcel as they are both cephalosporins. Naxcel is also a Beta-lactamase inhibitor, so it has the ability to give the Acinetobactor a double wammy.
She's not my mare, I'm no vet, and I'm not in your shoes. However, if she were mine, I'd infuse her with Naxcel (If they haven't already).
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| Have you spoken with the stallion owner about your situation? They might be willing to give you until next year for your rebreed. This year I'm on the 3rd year of trying to get a mare in foal. It was not a cheap stud fee so I really didn't want to lose it. I explained my awful luck with broodmares and they offered me another year on my rebreed. I've found that most stallion owners are willing to work with you if you've been a good customer and have put forth an honest effort to get your mare in foal.
Don't have any advice about the infection, but hope things work out for you.
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Location: Florida | I am very surprised a reputable breeder would try to breed a mare who does not come up clean. Get her home, clean her up and take her back next year. A good breeder will give you another try. |
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| Vickie - 2015-04-29 6:30 PM I am very surprised a reputable breeder would try to breed a mare who does not come up clean. Get her home, clean her up and take her back next year. A good breeder will give you another try.
I agree with this. I carried a breeding for 3 seasons with BB before I finally got a mare in foal - due to infection, same as your mare, and then when we had her cleaned up she turned up sensitive to either the antibiotic or extender used. Had to breed a different mare. Then I carried my DFP breeding for 4 seasons and to 3 mares before that breeding resulted in a foal. It can be very tough sometimes. And sometimes a breeze. I'd talk to the owner/breeding manager and see what you can do. Better to pay a second small fee than lose the breeding completely. LSOF is worth it! |
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Location: God's country | Thanks to everyone who replied! I'll definitely consider all the options. Hopefully they will be able to give me more information tomorrow . |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I can assure you that you will not find better people then the connections with LSOF. Talk to them about your concerns. Don't be afriad to just ask. Bryel is an amazing woman and great to work with. |
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Location: God's country | missroselee - 2015-04-29 8:32 PM
I can assure you that you will not find better people then the connections with LSOF. Talk to them about your concerns. Don't be afriad to just ask. Bryel is an amazing woman and great to work with.
Well I sent her a message about what was going on so we'll see what happens. Thank you very much! |
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Location: Texas | She cultured two big ones.. lucky you. Kidding.
To follow up- ceftiofur and Naxcel are the same thing. Naxcel is a trade name. Excede is the approved Ceftiofur for horses.
I would lavage her and treat her systemically. I'm sure they've already been doing it.
I'm dealing with it right now with my mare- she cultured dirty, cleaned her up, bred her, she got dirty again, slipped. but her culture and sensitivity came back sensitive to most things to we treated with Timetin and are doing betadine lavages |
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Location: God's country | casualdust07 - 2015-04-30 8:06 AM
She cultured two big ones.. lucky you. Kidding.
To follow up- ceftiofur and Naxcel are the same thing. Naxcel is a trade name. Excede is the approved Ceftiofur for horses.
I would lavage her and treat her systemically. I'm sure they've already been doing it.
I'm dealing with it right now with my mare- she cultured dirty, cleaned her up, bred her, she got dirty again, slipped. but her culture and sensitivity came back sensitive to most things to we treated with Timetin and are doing betadine lavages
They mentioned doing DMSO lavages so not sure what exactly that will do. |
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| Time to declare you are snake bit and bring the mare home ... now you know why she was a rescue horse and now a high dollar vet bill along with mare care ... and don't forget the money you spent last year since this is a re-breed ...
Get another mare for 2016 breeding and do it at home ....
His shipping fees are only
$200 ... vs ... 30 days for dry mare is $390 ... you are already in the hole $800 on 60 days of mare care!!
http://www.vgbra.org/bsp_stallions/lionsshareoffame.htm
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