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| you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse... |
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| Strawfly - 2015-04-30 3:41 PM you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse...
So like rock paper scissors or what? Do all states have sales tax on claimers? Specifically LA, NM, TX, or OK. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:29 PM Strawfly - 2015-04-30 3:41 PM you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse... So like rock paper scissors or what? Do all states have sales tax on claimers? Specifically LA, NM, TX, or OK.
Ok has no sales tax. If there is more than one claim dropped on a horse you go to the office and they have the claim forms and a pill box with that number of pills (numbered balls) in it. Claims are numbered, the ball that is pulled with the corresponding claim number is the winner. |
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| I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. |
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| total performance - 2015-04-30 4:38 PM Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:29 PM Strawfly - 2015-04-30 3:41 PM you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse... So like rock paper scissors or what? Do all states have sales tax on claimers? Specifically LA, NM, TX, or OK.
Okay so do I have to be present or can I get a trainer to do it for me and then ship me the horse and any idea what they would charge to do that if it is even possible?
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Location: Oklahoma | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM
I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
Huh??? Someone please explain this!! Why would you enter in a claiming race if you didn't want the horse claimed??? |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
Yeah I have a friend that has had some pretty successful TB's that have been claimed. He gets all huffy that they were claimed, especially when we remind him that it was his choice to put them in that race. lol |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 3:47 PM total performance - 2015-04-30 4:38 PM Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:29 PM Strawfly - 2015-04-30 3:41 PM you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse... So like rock paper scissors or what? Do all states have sales tax on claimers? Specifically LA, NM, TX, or OK.
You do not have to be present, or at least we never were. We have a trainer friend in CA that claimed all of our horses for us. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:56 PM Do they allow for anytype of vet check at all?
You don't have to be present, but someone does. And NO vet check...they are in for a tag so you get what you get. Risky yes, but I have gotten some nice ones off of claims. You need to do your homework when you are going to get in the claiming game. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:47 PM total performance - 2015-04-30 4:38 PM Whiteboy - 2015-04-30 4:29 PM Strawfly - 2015-04-30 3:41 PM you will first need a racing license in the state where you are trying to claim the horse. You will then have to have a trainers name to claim in. You will have to have $$ of money in your racing account( plus state sales tax) 15 mins prior to post time of the race the horse is in. The claim slip has to be filled out perfect, no misspellings at all or they will throw it out. If there is more then one claim on the horse you will have to shake for it. If you win its your horse, if it breaks down its still your horse... So like rock paper scissors or what? Do all states have sales tax on claimers? Specifically LA, NM, TX, or OK.
It's best to find a trainer that you know, they might possibly charge you a couple hundred to claim one. Keep in mind though some tracks require the horse run the rest of the meet where the horse was claimed. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Longneck - 2015-04-30 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Huh??? Someone please explain this!! Why would you enter in a claiming race if you didn't want the horse claimed???
It may be the only type of race the horse can be competitive in. Not all horses are stakes or allowance horses. Therefore they have claiming races to make it a bit easier on the ones that aren't. You are taking a chance on getting your horse claimed, but that's the chance you take when entering. |
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| total performance - 2015-04-30 5:26 PM Longneck - 2015-04-30 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Huh??? Someone please explain this!! Why would you enter in a claiming race if you didn't want the horse claimed???
Thanks, I could not understand why they entered if they did not want their horse claimed and they did not elaborate. I thought it might be that the claims race was their best shot at placing. |
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Location: Oklahoma | total performance - 2015-04-30 5:26 PM Longneck - 2015-04-30 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Huh??? Someone please explain this!! Why would you enter in a claiming race if you didn't want the horse claimed???
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 6:33 PM
total performance - 2015-04-30 5:26 PM Longneck - 2015-04-30 4:48 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 4:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Huh??? Someone please explain this!! Why would you enter in a claiming race if you didn't want the horse claimed???
As I understand it, most horses in a claims race, their owners are hoping they do get claimed. They are usually there because they can't compete in the regular races, like someone else mentioned.
However, some horses maybe aren't ready to run at a higher level. Or the trainer knows they don't have a good shot at winning a race for whatever reason (they've been injured, haven't responded well to training yet or whatever) but they think the horse will eventually make a race horse. They're race horses and they only make money when they win, so for whatever reason the trainer enters them in the claims races because that's the only level they feel they can compete at. With some horses, they hope it's a good training opportunity or just hope to make some money by winning a lower level race and get to keep their horse. |
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| Don't quote me but here in CA I think they have a new rule about the horse breaking down during the race and you don't have to claim. I would need to check. I got my DTF from the racetrack but let's just say I was told to leave the truck running, don't stop even if they wave me down at the gate, don't ask questions and pull up to the back gate at 5AM and you can avoid all that! Lol |
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I do believe CA has implemented the new rule that a horse in a claiming race that gets claimed and breaks down the claim is VOID
That's what I thought. Lol thanks. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM May I ask what they generally go for?
It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500 |
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Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM May I ask what they generally go for?
It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500
Do they run claims on QHs? Hate to be so nosey as its not something I'll probably ever do... But I can't help but be curious! Lol |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:31 PM total performance - 2015-04-30 10:26 PM Longneck - 2015-04-30 10:21 PM May I ask what they generally go for? It depends on what state your running in. California runs 2,500 claiming races where other parts of the country the lowest is $5,000. In Oklahoma the lowest claiming race on a TB maiden is $7,500 Do they run claims on QHs? Hate to be so nosey as its not something I'll probably ever do... But I can't help but be curious! Lol
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| Horses are entered in claimers normally bc they aren't coming along quickly enough or just don't make the cut. We have 3 at the track right now. A 3 yr old derby horse and 2 two yr old fillies. One of the 2 yr olds has gotten sick and just isn't coming along as quickly. She's better now but will probably be entered in a claimer. Training alone for one horse is approximately $1200 per month plus vet bills and entry fees. I want to bring the filly home to sell as barrel prospect. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | iloveequine40 - 2015-05-01 4:53 AM Horses are entered in claimers normally bc they aren't coming along quickly enough or just don't make the cut. We have 3 at the track right now. A 3 yr old derby horse and 2 two yr old fillies. One of the 2 yr olds has gotten sick and just isn't coming along as quickly. She's better now but will probably be entered in a claimer. Training alone for one horse is approximately $1200 per month plus vet bills and entry fees. I want to bring the filly home to sell as barrel prospect.
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I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. |
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I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed.
Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside.
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I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Not bidding. If there are 3 people trying to claim the same horse, they draw and one will win the claim. We have a few 3500 claiming races and 5000 for our lowest claimers.
Some trainers try to slip a good horse in a lower claiming race too, occasionally, for an easy win. It's knowing the "good stables," doing your research, watching the horses, talking to people on the back side, etc.....in the end, it's still just a gamble and a lot of excitement. Never go in to it without money that you are willing to lose. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
Honestly, I don't get all the butthurt stuff when it comes to claiming horses, when you put one in a claiming race, it is for sale. If you don't want to sell it, then run him in an allowance or take him home. If you are trying to steal a race by running a nice horse cheap then you have no right to whine if he gets claimed and it shouldn't matter who claims him.
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Barnmom - 2015-05-01 8:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
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| This sounds so exciting!!! I didnt realize they did claiming races on QH... I dont know why, it just never dawned on me.
I will say though, the "claimers" out there tug at my heart strings. I had a rescue in for training, she literally had the black beauty story but she was first claimed 47 times in 2 years. No wonder she had zero trust for humans. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | LRQHS - 2015-05-01 9:02 AM Barnmom - 2015-05-01 8:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
I understand your point of view and absolutely agree, but I'm in a position where I don't need to butt hurt owners that might send me something LOL
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
HERE! HERE! I was thinking the exact same thing!!!!! If you enter a claiming race and someone has the money, and you lose the horse, what do you expect? I am not into the racing world so I have no idea but sounds like a bunch of inside cliq craziness. lol |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I've had some in claiming races and knew full well going into the race that they could have been claimed. We just put them at a price that we were willing to sell the horse for. |
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| Barnmom - 2015-05-01 7:58 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are.
Most of the time it isn't about stealing a race. In my case, the horse was behind and a claim was the only race we could get him in for experience prior to derby trials. The trainer tried for 4 weeks to get him in any race that wasn't a claim and he simply couldn't. We gambled and almost lost a horse with a 72 speed index and $0 winnings in a $5,000 claim because someone was looking for that specific horse after seeing him at our house when they purchased a yearling. There were by far better horses in his claim race. Even other trainers were scratching their heads about him being claimed and asking why. As for the rest of your rather snarky post...don't shoot the messenger. You might not like the unwritten rules of the track world but they are what they are. Most of the time when a claim falls through, the potential claimer usually goes to the trainer and tries to work a deal to get the horse. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SKM - 2015-05-01 9:25 AM Barnmom - 2015-05-01 7:58 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-01 7:10 AM SKM - 2015-05-01 8:00 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-30 3:45 PM I saw a special on it and that is the limit of my knowledge. Sounds crazy too me that you are risking your horse being claimed but maybe most hope to have their horses bought at a claims race?? A couple of the trainers they were following were sweating bullets that their horse would be claimed. Trying to sneak a claim race has never worked for us. The jockey actually had a friend claim an Easily Smashed gelding that we tried that with. Needless to say, she never rode for that trainer again. Almost lost a Bully gelding to a very well known barrel racer who didn't want to pay the price I quoted. She put 3 people between her and the horse thinking I'd never find out. Luckily the one guy forgot to turn the papers into the office on the horses he hauled on that day. They were loading my horse on the trailer to leave when the trainer got the call it was an illegal claim. The girl was very surprised when I call her on it. Learned the hard way you NEVER put one in a claimer that you don't want to lose. The trainer she had do it was new to the race world. That was the first and last year he was at that track. Most people on the track don't appreciate you not communicating with them on your plans when it comes to the backside. ^^^^^^^ THIS I have a buddy at a few tracks and I always look at the entries on claimers especially if I see young geldings thrown into the mix by a sire I can't afford a 3yr old by. I have NOT claimed a few because I didn't want to ruin the relationship between my contact and the owners. I respected the ppl didn't want the horse claimed from what I had heard and left it at that, even though I'd have loved to been dirty and go around them to get my hands on it...I knew better than to do so!
If I want a horse in a claiming race and I have the money, I will claim it. If I like you, I may give you a heads up so you can scratch the horse but if he runs and I want him, I will drop a claim. Can't stand it when someone thinks I should abstain from claiming a horse because of who they are. Most of the time it isn't about stealing a race. In my case, the horse was behind and a claim was the only race we could get him in for experience prior to derby trials. The trainer tried for 4 weeks to get him in any race that wasn't a claim and he simply couldn't. We gambled and almost lost a horse with a 72 speed index and $0 winnings in a $5,000 claim because someone was looking for that specific horse after seeing him at our house when they purchased a yearling. There were by far better horses in his claim race. Even other trainers were scratching their heads about him being claimed and asking why. As for the rest of your rather snarky post...don't shoot the messenger. You might not like the unwritten rules of the track world but they are what they are. Most of the time when a claim falls through, the potential claimer usually goes to the trainer and tries to work a deal to get the horse.
One of our very best clients came to us because we claimed a horse they raised for $3200 and turned him in to a stakes horse. So as far as I am concerned, you have just as much of a chance of getting new clients than you do ****ing a potential client off. If an owner does get mad because I claim thier horse that is something they need to take up with thier trainer, not my problem.
I do understand not being able to get one in a race, but if I don't want to lose the horse then that horses first race may just have to be in the trials. A good horse is a good horse with or without a prep race, again jmo, take it or leave it.
I look very closely at the list of horses that are paid to date in a futurity or derby. If someone wants to make a bunch of payments then drop the horse in for a tag the all the better for me if I can improve the horse.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-30 8:02 PM Don't quote me but here in CA I think they have a new rule about the horse breaking down during the race and you don't have to claim. I would need to check. I got my DTF from the racetrack but let's just say I was told to leave the truck running, don't stop even if they wave me down at the gate, don't ask questions and pull up to the back gate at 5AM and you can avoid all that! Lol
Whaa!? You had to do all of this because you claimed your DTF from the track? The owners were thought to not want to sell? Do elaborate lol. |
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Location: north dakota | I had a horse I owned in partnership that we were racing in LA. He was a 4 year old, not LA bred and we had certain distances we thought he would be best in. We had him at our trainers from March till October and were able to only get him in 3 races since we wouldn't put him in a claimer. We had people asking us about selling him so had we put him in we more than likely wouldn't own him.
I have a friend who has claimed 3 nice mares. It helps if you know someone at the track so you can have an idea of the history of the horse. I amost claimed a mare but I found out she had a problem rearing in the gate and most likely was a wobbler or had a different neuro problem. |
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| This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time! Totally brand new information to me. Seems like a very exciting way to purchase a horse.
Is every horse in a claims race "for sale" then? Each and every one could leave with a new owner? Someone said you have to say a price up front, so if someone claims them they pay what you have already asked for them? Is that right?
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| I have claimed a horse one time before. It was pretty strait forward. You put the money in an account at the race office fill out the claims form with a trainer and drop it in the box. We did our research earlier and had her marked on equibase and when we saw her drop in at the number we could afford we made the claim. The value of the race is listed and the horses are entered are for sale at that number.
I too know the rules vary by state but by looking at equibase the horses that are not eligible to be claimed will have a $0 rather than a price next to the entry line I have noticed only in observation from optional claiming races.
I too remember reading something about a claim being void if a horse were to break down in the race in the state of CA. Not sure the details. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | star1218 - 2015-05-01 11:30 AM This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time! Totally brand new information to me. Seems like a very exciting way to purchase a horse.
Is every horse in a claims race "for sale" then? Each and every one could leave with a new owner? Someone said you have to say a price up front, so if someone claims them they pay what you have already asked for them? Is that right?
A claiming race runs for a certain price unless they are optional claiming races. For example, in a $5000 claiming race, any horse in that race could be claimed for $5000. In the optional claiming races, the trainer/owner decides if they want to allow that horse to race for a price. It could be an optional claiming race at $20,000. Some horses in could have that price on them, while some couldn't. It's optional. |
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Location: California | I claimed mine 20 years ago off of the fairs. He was running allowance and saw him run at P-Town and got beat by a nose. He was 3 and out of a track record setting JOH mare. I offered $5,000 for him but the trainer was leasing him and said no. So I thought "OK I'll just take him." Had my sister watch the overnights to see when he was going to run him back and I figured for a tag since there wasn't much being offered on the fairs. He had him in for a $3250 claiming price at Vallejo so I went to the Racing Secretary's office the morning of the race with my brother-in-law who is a trainer. We put in the claim under my sister's name as she had an Owner's license as she was running a horse on the fair. I hid out until the race and even then I was way up in the Owner/Trainer section hiding. I was sitting with jockey Roy Yaka. He asked me who I had the tag for and I told him I wasn't going to say as the trainer didn't want to lose him. The only person I told was Bobby Jennings who was working the gates. I told Bobby that the horse was going to win so Bobby put $200 on his nose. The horse broke out of the inside hole and won by 3 lengths going 350 yards. Trainer was handed the card and he was NOT a happy camper. I had a trailer waiting at the test barn. We got out of there like we stold him. He turned into a super nice barrel horse and I still have him. Spoiled and never lost the attitude but I don't care. I would do it again. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | NonaY - 2015-05-01 3:46 PM I claimed mine 20 years ago off of the fairs. He was running allowance and saw him run at P-Town and got beat by a nose. He was 3 and out of a track record setting JOH mare. I offered $5,000 for him but the trainer was leasing him and said no. So I thought "OK I'll just take him." Had my sister watch the overnights to see when he was going to run him back and I figured for a tag since there wasn't much being offered on the fairs. He had him in for a $3250 claiming price at Vallejo so I went to the Racing Secretary's office the morning of the race with my brother-in-law who is a trainer. We put in the claim under my sister's name as she had an Owner's license as she was running a horse on the fair. I hid out until the race and even then I was way up in the Owner/Trainer section hiding. I was sitting with jockey Roy Yaka. He asked me who I had the tag for and I told him I wasn't going to say as the trainer didn't want to lose him. The only person I told was Bobby Jennings who was working the gates. I told Bobby that the horse was going to win so Bobby put $200 on his nose. The horse broke out of the inside hole and won by 3 lengths going 350 yards. Trainer was handed the card and he was NOT a happy camper. I had a trailer waiting at the test barn. We got out of there like we stold him. He turned into a super nice barrel horse and I still have him. Spoiled and never lost the attitude but I don't care. I would do it again.
Ahhhh, a feel good horse thieving story lololol! I love it! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Betweenhorses - 2015-05-01 12:11 PM I have claimed a horse one time before. It was pretty strait forward. You put the money in an account at the race office fill out the claims form with a trainer and drop it in the box. We did our research earlier and had her marked on equibase and when we saw her drop in at the number we could afford we made the claim. The value of the race is listed and the horses are entered are for sale at that number. I too know the rules vary by state but by looking at equibase the horses that are not eligible to be claimed will have a $0 rather than a price next to the entry line I have noticed only in observation from optional claiming races. I too remember reading something about a claim being void if a horse were to break down in the race in the state of CA. Not sure the details.
You will only see this if the race is an allowance/optional claimer. Meaning the horse fits the conditions or they are running it for the claiming price. |
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| It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | star1218 - 2015-05-01 4:18 PM It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
I wouldn't claim one at the track unless you really knew what you were doing or knew someone that knew what they were doing....even then it's scary lol.
I'm looking right now to claim a low level claimer, meaning 3500 - 5000. I am grabbing any and every person that I know and respect to offer insight/snoop around for me lol...Kuhlman, Bigtime Mistake, Barnmom, Whiteboy, Herbie, etc....and, still it's daunting lol. I don't expect anymore than to, hopefully, claim a sound, nice, young mare that can race a couple of races for my pleasure and then be used as a broodmare or barrel prospect. We'll see. I'll be drinking when I do drop that claim down lol. |
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Location: California | Took the trainer a year before he would talk to me. He as so mad that my nephew had been galloping for him. Well, the trainer thought that my nephew was in on the claim but he didn't know anything. My nephew was fired the morning after the race. Poor guy had nothing to do with it. It was all me, my brother-in-law, sister and my track vet (who the trainer owned money to so the vet was more than happy to provide any information). |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | star1218 - 2015-05-01 3:18 PM It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
When we would claim we would call our trainer friend and tell him what we were looking for. He would keep an eye out and call us if something came up. We claimed to keep running or turn them into Chariot horses we never turned one into a barrel horse.
Since we had a trainer in the know we knew most of the things that were wrong with the horse before we claimed. We had a few that as soon as we got them they would go in to have chips removed or something else... |
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| I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 9:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
I guess this is my line of thinking. When we bought the stallion son of Rare Form from his owner/trainer, we wanted to try to bump him from his si 89 to AAA. So we had bought and paid for him, but to keep things simple left him in their name. We entered him twice, the first was just a cheap allowance and he was bumped really bad. The 2nd time they tried to get us to drop him in a $10k claimer because he was honestly outclassed (he was 5) in the allowance races. We thought really hard on it but chose not to because we were afraid to lose him and never laid eyes on him yet. Hindsight is 20/20 because we probably should have...but we didn't and the jock didn't keep riding him once he was out front and he ended up 4th or something so we called it good and shipped him home. That was as close to racing our own as we got. If you don't want them claimed, don't enter them in a claiming race. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 10:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
Being in the business ourselves, this is my way of thinking also. If they are put in for a "tag" they are for sale so don't cry, b**ch, moan and groan when someone reaches in and grabs your horse. Now, that said their are just some people that we won't claim from..friends in the business are off limits to us. And if I'm in a barn with someone, the unwritten rule is you don't claim from them. |
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| I meant to say nomination fees. We are running at Sam Houston right now. We just received our nomination forms for futurity and derby. I'm new to the business side of racehorses so my terminology tends to cross over from barrel race. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | iloveequine40 - 2015-05-02 9:14 PM I meant to say nomination fees. We are running at Sam Houston right now. We just received our nomination forms for futurity and derby. I'm new to the business side of racehorses so my terminology tends to cross over from barrel race.
That makes a little more sense to me now. Yes, futurity and derbies and overnight stakes do have a nomination and entry fee, but all others do not. |
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Location: Vinton, La. | I've claimed two for myself. Both were geldings I raised, sold, and decided I wanted them back. One to make money with and the other just because I needed him back. And he will never leave my place again. I had a really nice Sayin Adios mare claimed off of me. She was claimed by a good friend who came and talked to me the morning of the race so I could scratch her if I didn't want her claimed. (Shhhh, did I just say that? LOL) He wanted her for a broodmare. I told him to take her. She lost the race by a nose and was claimed. I cried like a baby but knew she was going to a great home and I made a good profit that night. That was 14 years ago and they still have her.
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| total performance - 2015-05-02 8:13 AM kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 10:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted. Being in the business ourselves, this is my way of thinking also. If they are put in for a "tag" they are for sale so don't cry, b**ch, moan and groan when someone reaches in and grabs your horse. Now, that said their are just some people that we won't claim from..friends in the business are off limits to us. And if I'm in a barn with someone, the unwritten rule is you don't claim from them.
exact point I was making in my original post. If I don't know them heck yes I'll claim....if we are friends or friends of my trainer then no I will not. |
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| LOL! I won't claim off a friend if I know they don't want to lose the horse. That said, I don't feel sorry for them if someone else does. The whole point of a claiming race is to run against similarly valued horses. If you aren't ok losing it, don't drop it in.
It is easy enough to do. High risk? Sure. Honestly though, there is usually a lot of information out there free for the taking. I have pretty strict requirements when I claim one and they work for me. They balance my risk profile with my pocketbook. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kuhlmann - 2015-05-04 3:53 PM LOL! I won't claim off a friend if I know they don't want to lose the horse. That said, I don't feel sorry for them if someone else does. The whole point of a claiming race is to run against similarly valued horses. If you aren't ok losing it, don't drop it in.
It is easy enough to do. High risk? Sure. Honestly though, there is usually a lot of information out there free for the taking. I have pretty strict requirements when I claim one and they work for me. They balance my risk profile with my pocketbook.
Exactly! I may not claim their horse, but if someone else does, well that's just the name of the game. |
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