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Location: Oklahoma City OK | Just curious...some of you might know...when a horse scratches out of such a big race as the KY Derby....does the jockey get any kind of stipend? After all, they might have given up another mount to ride the one that scratched, thereby eliminating any source of income for that race...??? Surely they have expenses coming in to Louisville from somewhere else....just wondering...
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Location: California | Big races like that you are reimbursed for expenses as well as get a flat fee. That's how it was with my husband. |
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Location: Texas | I'm curious too... I can completely understand the jockey not getting on another horse, but man that would be a bummer.
Another random question, what is the value of these horses PRIOR to the KY Derby? How does their value increase after based on their finish?
Also, if a horse scratches from a big race, like the KY Derby, how does that effect the future of that horse?
I'm just curious, don't know enough about horse racing to fill a beer top. Also, I dont know why any horse scratched, so excuse my ignorance please :) |
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Location: California | Also, you will see the bigger riders not get on any horses before the big race. Like when a jock like Mike Smith goes to Oaklawn or somewhere to ride in a big race, he will not get on any horses before. They don't want to risk the chance of getting hurt before the big one. Younger and less experienced or hungry jocks will get on horses but my husband wouldn't when he had to travel for a big race. At least he wouldn't after he won the Preakness.
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Location: California | They will scratch for various reasons. Either the trainer or track vet will scratch a horse either for illness or even for a horse that might have a little swelling in an ankle for example. Sometimes the horses will spike a fever so they will scratch. Sometimes the horse will be scratched at the gate due to injury or if the jock doesn't like how the horse is warming up. |
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Location: Texas | NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:40 PM Also, you will see the bigger riders not get on any horses before the big race. Like when a jock like Mike Smith goes to Oaklawn or somewhere to ride in a big race, he will not get on any horses before. They don't want to risk the chance of getting hurt before the big one. Younger and less experienced or hungry jocks will get on horses but my husband wouldn't when he had to travel for a big race. At least he wouldn't after he won the Preakness.
Your husband won THE Preakness? Get out of town! Is he famous? |
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Location: California | Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic. |
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Location: California | Jack mentored Mike Smith. Mikey was Jack's roommate when he was starting out. I can tell you that what you see is the real Mike. He has such a smile and a nice guy. He's just a cutie. Gary Stevens is an outstanding horseman and one of the greatest. Kent Desormeaux is another great horseman and a good guy. I'll be pulling for Gary and Mike tomorrow.
Edited by NonaY 2015-05-01 5:08 PM
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Location: California | Here is my husband's Preakness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqhvC03ZaY |
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Location: Texas |
That is way too cool! Can I have his autograph? Seriously. That is awesome!
I understand 100% how you feel about the "stars" who not only have a history of drugs and alcohol but who STILL use! I could name off so many pros who would lose so many fans, if their fans knew the truth. Rough stock and ropers. It blows my mind how much of a front they put on for the public. |
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Location: California | I'll have him sign a jockey card (like a baseball card) and send to you. People buy stuff on Ebay and send to him to sign. |
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Location: California | Also, the end of this month there is a group called Jockeys and Jeans that is having a benefit auction in Shelbyville, Indiana the end of the month. The proceeds go to the Premanently Disabled Jockeys Fund. I have donated a pair of jock pants from Jack and from Gary Stevens. Kent Desormeaux is supposed to send me a pair of his pants for the auction but I have to send him some Dungeness crab as an exchange. The auction is supposed to go online. Both Jack and Gary's pants have their names sewn into them.
Edited by NonaY 2015-05-01 5:32 PM
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Location: Texas | Too neat! I can only imagine how much they will sell for. Heck, I'd buy his left sock he wore yesterday! Lol
But honestly, winning THE Preakness at 16 is a HUGE accomplishment! That is an imaginable dream. Pat him on the back for me!
Edited by EqualRanch 2015-05-01 5:52 PM
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:58 PM Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic.
Here in Oklahoma we call them Paddock Queens! They will latch on to any and all of them. |
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Location: Texas | total performance - 2015-05-01 5:51 PM NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:58 PM Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic. Here in Oklahoma we call them Paddock Queens! They will latch on to any and all of them.
In Texas, we call them wh***s. Lol.
Someone tell me about the value of these horses... I need to get my facts and figures straight before I go to the bank Monday! Lol |
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Location: California | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I call them "Racetrack Wh**es"! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Location: California | And Jack was one too! Before me though. He has nothing on me!!!!! I call him that all the time - Racetrack Wh**e! |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | That is an awesome video got my heart pumping ....I dreamed and dreamed of being a jockey when I was younger....but I was to big... |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:58 PMYes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic. Gosh I hope the coke head isn't VE. I have kinda liked him since War Emblem.
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Location: Oklahoma | EqualRanch - 2015-05-01 5:54 PM total performance - 2015-05-01 5:51 PM NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:58 PM Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic. Here in Oklahoma we call them Paddock Queens! They will latch on to any and all of them.
Someone tell me about the value of these horses... I need to get my facts and figures straight before I go to the bank Monday! Lol
Equal, you crack me up!!!!!!
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Location: southeast Texas |
Exciting race! |
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| NonaY - 2015-05-01 5:05 PM
Jack mentored Mike Smith. Mikey was Jack's roommate when he was starting out. I can tell you that what you see is the real Mike. He has such a smile and a nice guy. He's just a cutie. Gary Stevens is an outstanding horseman and one of the greatest. Kent Desormeaux is another great horseman and a good guy. I'll be pulling for Gary and Mike tomorrow.
Oh that's so great to hear that Mike Smith really is who he comes off or appears to be in interviews ect!! I've always been SO impressed by him! Even being as successful and accomplished as he is, he's always seemed to have integrity, and just a genuinely honest good person. Truly cares and respects the horses he rides. Like when he held up Shared Belief in the Charles Town Classic, in doing so really reduced greater injury. Im a big fan.
Also I just wanted to say thank you NonaY for sharing! Love to hear the stories! |
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| EqualRanch - 2015-05-01 5:44 PM NonaY - 2015-05-01 4:40 PM Also, you will see the bigger riders not get on any horses before the big race. Like when a jock like Mike Smith goes to Oaklawn or somewhere to ride in a big race, he will not get on any horses before. They don't want to risk the chance of getting hurt before the big one. Younger and less experienced or hungry jocks will get on horses but my husband wouldn't when he had to travel for a big race. At least he wouldn't after he won the Preakness.
Your husband won THE Preakness? Get out of town! Is he famous?
that's what happened to jackie a cheap claimer he had 5 qualified for all ameican.
i know tracey misses him . |
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| NonaY - 2015-05-01 5:58 PM Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic.
i must have been navie as all get out i never saw that at los al or bay meadows course i was a gallop boy in am pony girl at night
their wifes were there most of the time |
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Location: California | Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | vjls - 2015-05-02 6:24 PM
NonaY - 2015-05-01 5:58 PM Yes, he's famous and also famous for his drinking. He's OK now but I will tell you that the racetrack can screw up alot of people. He was riding races when he was like 8. He won the Preakness in 1982 when he was 16. He went wire to wire with Shoemaker running second. He was on Hee Haw and on T.V. They made such a big deal out of the 16 year old jock who wore a cowboy hat in the winner's circle. Jocks are like rock stars on the track. Everyone wants to be their friend or just be with them. I can tell you that 90% of them have dabbled in drinking or drugs. Jack never did drugs but so many others have. Just this morning I was ranting at my shoer "How the hell can they put a cokehead into the Hall of Fame? What kind of message does that send? They better put PVal in then!" I see jocks put on a pedastel and I don't get it. OMG the women. So stupid. They wait for these guys to come out of the jock's room. You're married to a rider, you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Women throw themselves at them. Just like bucklebunnies who chase after bullriders. Pathetic.
i must have been navie as all get out i never saw that at los al or bay meadows course i was a gallop boy in am pony girl at night
their wifes were there most of the time
I can't stand CN! I hope he never gets in. |
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| NonaY - 2015-05-02 7:55 PM Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra.
lol girl that was in the early seventies terry lipham bobby adir kenny hart ronnie banks quarters horses
curry smith was the racing sec of los al long long time ago i was the only girl galloping then for yrs till i left in 75 at those 2 tracks |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | vjls - 2015-05-03 11:30 AM NonaY - 2015-05-02 7:55 PM Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra. lol girl that was in the early seventies terry lipham bobby adir kenny hart ronnie banks quarters horses
curry smith was the racing sec of los al long long time ago i was the only girl galloping then for yrs till i left in 75 at those 2 tracks
I feel like i'm watching the opening scenes to a great movie about to take place!! Love this!  |
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Location: California | vjls - 2015-05-03 9:30 AM NonaY - 2015-05-02 7:55 PM Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra. lol girl that was in the early seventies terry lipham bobby adir kenny hart ronnie banks quarters horses
curry smith was the racing sec of los al long long time ago i was the only girl galloping then for yrs till i left in 75 at those 2 tracks
I remember when women weren't allowed to sleep in tack rooms at BM. |
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Location: California | vjls - 2015-05-03 9:30 AM NonaY - 2015-05-02 7:55 PM Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra. lol girl that was in the early seventies terry lipham bobby adir kenny hart ronnie banks quarters horses
curry smith was the racing sec of los al long long time ago i was the only girl galloping then for yrs till i left in 75 at those 2 tracks
Were you at that party at some apartments across the street or I think it was Foster City when people initially were getting tossed in the pool and then they started throwing buckets of water INSIDE the furnished apartment? I don't think whoever rented that place got their deposit back. |
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Location: California | You must also know Richard MacArthur. |
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| NonaY - 2015-05-04 7:36 PM vjls - 2015-05-03 9:30 AM NonaY - 2015-05-02 7:55 PM Oh they are there. Hiding in the woodwork. HAHAHAHA. You were at Bay Meadows? You must know Chuckie Burkes, Skinny, Billy Cambra. lol girl that was in the early seventies terry lipham bobby adir kenny hart ronnie banks quarters horses
curry smith was the racing sec of los al long long time ago i was the only girl galloping then for yrs till i left in 75 at those 2 tracks
really we did no proble i had 1 from gary sherlock lol but had to share a bathroom with everybody we were in the second barn from backside to track
use to love to rock roll wathe the golfers scurry accross to infield
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| NonaY - 2015-05-04 7:39 PM You must also know Richard MacArthur.
yes weren/t there 3 brothers that trained there larry barnson blaine he dies acouple of years ago earl holme the king lucas sherlock
connie hill when she was first starting its changed abunch
you know dustin caldwell from ga is is about 40 he i think won belmont we are real good friends
i image most are retire or dead noq as i was just 20 now my goodness 65 this winter |
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | The track wh***s at Ellis dont care if they're jocks, trainers, pony boys, gallop boys, hot walkers, whatever they can get! yuck!!!
As far as jocks go, Calvin Borel is very nice, I had a couple of win pictures of him on my FILs horses from Keeneland and one of my friends who works in the jocks room got him to sign them for me, and he told my friend to be sure and let us know he was very sorry to hear he passed. That meant a lot, my FIL thought a lot of Calvin and his talent. I hated not getting to see him ride in the Derby this year. Pedroza is always good to deal with also. But a new favorite around Ellis is Diadel Osario, hes only around 19 I think, young kid, but super talented. Would not suprise me a bit to see him in some big races in a few years.
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Kentucky Derby jockeys with scratched horses?