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| It seems like every other run I make on my barrel horse, she is snapping her tie down strap. They are nice quality leather, I check them before every run, but they break at a hole very frequently. This, of course, then messes up our run because she braces and there is nothing there. What tie downs would be good for a hard setting horse like this? She's a 16 hand 1300lbs tank of a mare, and it isn't super tight. Would nylon or rubber work better? Or should we double up on the tie down? I mean, the first time was tough luck, this is at least the 10th run where we have broken a tie down, and its getting kinda old. Some have been older than others, but one was brand new when she broke it.
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Location: Texas | What kind of tie-down are you using? |
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| She's breaking the strap, but we use a leather noseband with a leather strap.
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Location: Up and over to the right | Maybe try a leather noseband with a nylon tie down. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Why does she need the tie down? |
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Location: Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-05 5:30 PM She's breaking the strap, but we use a leather noseband with a leather strap.
I understand. Why not try a wrapped rope or cable nose tie-down. Horses don't brace nearly as hard on them because of the added pressure. |
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Location: Wasagaming, Manitoba, Canada | Do you have a video of her running? |
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Location: Texas | Are you sure it's not too tight? |
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| My big guy used to do this until I switched to a roping type tiedown made out of rawhide.
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| She uses it to brace on to turn. We have tried her without it and she doesn't turn as well. We have tried her in a rope noseband, but she wouldn't run as hard, she like hid behind it. She's a very light horse and it's very easy to over do her tack. It's not very tight, at all. I have a video of our run in a borrowed tie down that was quite the right length.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203856188196801&id=158... |
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Location: North Dakota | Nylon. All of ours are the 1" wide with the "slide to adjust" type hardware, no holes, cheap too (less than $15 I think) nrsworld used to have them.
nrs website is slow this morning, found them on smith brothers
would be worth a try
http://www.smithbrothers.com/nylon-tie-down/p/X3-120001/
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| Have her checked by a chiropractor. My old barrel horse would snap his going into the second. I thought his tie downs were poorly made, but I soon found out different. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 8:33 AM
She uses it to brace on to turn. We have tried her without it and she doesn't turn as well. We have tried her in a rope noseband, but she wouldn't run as hard, she like hid behind it. She's a very light horse and it's very easy to over do her tack. It's not very tight, at all. I have a video of our run in a borrowed tie down that was quite the right length.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203856188196801&id=158...
If she's snapping tie downs but once you go with a bigger tie down she hides behind it or won't clock then you probably have a soundness issue.
I am not a fan of flat leather tie-downs tho because they cause a horse to lean into them and brace, for some horses and riders this can work but just not my style. I like piggin string rope, chain, or wire (you can wrap any I just mentioned with black electric tape ) And none of those are left tight unless someone is being very naughty but then they will probably get a bonnet if they are.
Bottom line she's bracing on it too much from pain, its annoying her, or she's not respecting it. Figure out her problem... Edited by astreakinchic 2015-05-07 9:55 AM
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| She just came off of an 8 month layoff, last week she got her teeth floated, hocks and coffin bones injected. She is like a fresh horse body and mind wise. I'm gonna try the nylon tie down strap and see if that doesn't help, but I don't think it is a physical problem since we fixed up everything that made her sore before her break. |
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| This game is all about problem solving so it could be a number of things and switching might help you. But I'd like to caution that just because you gave time off and had injections does not mean you found the actual cause of the lameness if there was any. |
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| She wasn't lame before we laid her off, but when we took her to the vet and did a lameness test to see if she needed anything done and she was a bit off so we did the injections. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I havent read thru everything but have you tried a bungee tie down?? Has some give to them so horses basically "bounce" off it. |
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| My green, not nearly as hard turning colt broke right through one of those, so no, I don't trust them on this huge, hard setting finished mare. |
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| Are you buying cheap tie downs?
Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set?
As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM
Are you buying cheap tie downs?
Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set?
As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one.
No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise.
Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second.
ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
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| To me the tie down looks too tight
I was told you should be able to pull it back to the throat latch when the horse is in neutral position.
Your horse, your decision
If you are set on not Changing the length
Then I suggest changing to a nylon so it won't break
Or get a custom tiedown that is double layered and stitched |
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| We can pull it back and touch her chest with it, it's not as tight as it looks in that picture. I may look into trying to find thicker straps, but I'll try nylon for now and see if it helps. Thanks ya'll. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-08 10:46 AM
We can pull it back and touch her chest with it, it's not as tight as it looks in that picture. I may look into trying to find thicker straps, but I'll try nylon for now and see if it helps. Thanks ya'll.
It looks very tight and very high in that picture. Also, if both of your horses are breaking numerous tie downs you should strongly consider Cheryl's advice. |
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Location: South Georgia | In that picture, its very tight. Very. Normally when horses are standing in a tie, down, you see a swag in the line. There is none in your pic. When a horse runs, they naturally raise their heads, so its going to be even tighter when running. No wonder they are breaking. I'd seriously lengthen it by at least 3 inches, if not more. |
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Location: Kansas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 9:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM Are you buying cheap tie downs? Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set? As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise. Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second. ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
looks pretty tight to me |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 9:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM Are you buying cheap tie downs? Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set? As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise. Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second. ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
Oh I remember that picture, this is the horse that you went to visit after you had sold it...
And I agree with the others there is a reason your horse is breaking tie downs, it looks really tight. All my tie downs that I ever used would relax while my horse was standing it was loose were you could touch the throat area with the strap.
Show us pictures of the horses that you are riding. I like to see some slack in the strap while the horse is relaxed. |
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Location: Florida.. | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 10:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM Are you buying cheap tie downs? Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set? As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise. Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second. ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-08 11:29 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 9:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM Are you buying cheap tie downs? Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set? As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise. Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second. ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
And I agree with the others there is a reason your horse is breaking tie downs, it looks really tight. All my tie downs that I ever used would relax while my horse was standing it was loose were you could touch the throat area with the strap.
Show us pictures of the horses that you are riding. I like to see some slack in the strap while the horse is relaxed.
I didn't sell her, but her owner took her back, but I'm back to racing her now. Here is one from the end of a run.
ETA: I'll try losening it a little bit and see what happens.
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| astreakinchic - 2015-05-08 11:01 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-08 10:46 AM
We can pull it back and touch her chest with it, it's not as tight as it looks in that picture. I may look into trying to find thicker straps, but I'll try nylon for now and see if it helps. Thanks ya'll.
It looks very tight and very high in that picture. Also, if both of your horses are breaking numerous tie downs you should strongly consider Cheryl's advice.
I don't put a tie down on my other ones, this is the only one who runs in one now. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-10 6:03 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-08 11:29 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-05-07 9:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-05-07 9:17 PM Are you buying cheap tie downs? Also can you post a picture of a tie down on your horse and where it is supposed to be set? As I cannot fathom a horse breaking one as I know a lot of calf rappers who tie their horses down tight and have never broke one. No, they are not cheap. They are pretty nice quality leather. This horse puts roping horses to shame size wise. Let me see if I can find a closer picture of it. Give me a second. ETA: That's the closest I can find of it that we aren't running.
And I agree with the others there is a reason your horse is breaking tie downs, it looks really tight. All my tie downs that I ever used would relax while my horse was standing it was loose were you could touch the throat area with the strap.
Show us pictures of the horses that you are riding. I like to see some slack in the strap while the horse is relaxed. I didn't sell her, but her owner took her back, but I'm back to racing her now. Here is one from the end of a run. ETA: I'll try losening it a little bit and see what happens.
Now thats a good looking horse, I like em big and strong. To me the tie down looks a bit tight to me. And glad that you are going to loosen it up a little and hopefully it will fix the problem of your tie downs breaking. The only tie down strap that broke on me was a leather one years ago while making a run it broke going into the first barrel and it really messed up my run, because he to used the tie down so after that I went to useing nylon straps and never broke one. But now the horses that I ride I dont need tie downs.
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Location: Randolph, Utah | It looks tight to me. I had a big pushy horse that never broke a tie down strap during his career.
I got a strap from Carolina bit for my bonnet it's nylon, I didn't think I'd like it but so far I do. It was cheap only like $10. Maybe try one of them, or maybe she doesn't need them and can learn to turn without a tie down? |
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