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Location: Missouri | Couldn't find my original post, so here are pics from August 2014 and current. Have we made enough progress? This farrier has seen him for four visits now. I did mention this time that I thought his heels were underrun, so he set the shoe as shown to address it.
Opinions?
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| What were you doing to fix the feet? feed throughs, topicals or just trimming? |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I am curious too because we bought a mare from S TX and she had great feet. She was on a lot of sand and came home to a relitively moist spring/summer and then dry dry fall and winter. Her feet are like that too. Peeling back some, but she is not lame. We trimmed her about 2 weeks ago as short as we dared to get the wall more even with the toe and she looks much better. She does have a fairly deep crack on a hind foot though that stops about 1" from the hairline. It looks deep, but is not spreading and is just on the surface of the wall. I have never seen feet do that. Vets say it is change of soil and environment more than anything. |
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Worst.Housekeeper.EVER.
Location: Missouri | trulyaroyaljem13 - 2015-05-06 12:58 PM What were you doing to fix the feet? feed throughs, topicals or just trimming?
Changed farriers :)
I did try increasing biotin, but gave up b/c he was turned out during the winter.
(his feet were bad when I got him 3 years ago. I kept him in shoes and they were much better. We pulled shoes when I retired him and his feet seemed to fall apart again. The farrier insisted they would get better with time, but I couldn't watch them deteriorate anymore...)
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Not only are the heels under run, you have way too much heel. From the end of your shoe to the invisible perpendicular line from the heel bulb to the ground.. you should have support and you have none. He needs to be taking that heel off all the way to the widest part of the frog sulcus. Ask him to remove more heel. |
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Worst.Housekeeper.EVER.
Location: Missouri | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-06 1:12 PM I am curious too because we bought a mare from S TX and she had great feet. She was on a lot of sand and came home to a relitively moist spring/summer and then dry dry fall and winter. Her feet are like that too. Peeling back some, but she is not lame. We trimmed her about 2 weeks ago as short as we dared to get the wall more even with the toe and she looks much better. She does have a fairly deep crack on a hind foot though that stops about 1" from the hairline. It looks deep, but is not spreading and is just on the surface of the wall. I have never seen feet do that. Vets say it is change of soil and environment more than anything.
My current farrier said that even though they look horrible, the cracks were all superficial. He felt like he was just one that needed to be kept shod b/c of thin/brittle hoof wall.
This was in contrast to the previous farrier who insisted he be kept barefoot.....
IDK what to believe! But, I think they look better. Just not liking the heel?? |
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Worst.Housekeeper.EVER.
Location: Missouri | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2015-05-06 1:20 PM Not only are the heels under run, you have way too much heel. From the end of your shoe to the invisible perpendicular line from the heel bulb to the ground.. you should have support and you have none. He needs to be taking that heel off all the way to the widest part of the frog sulcus. Ask him to remove more heel.
Thanks! I will see what he says...
It's been so hard to find a good farrier!!!!!! I like this guy, but I know they're still not quite right! |
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Veteran
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| These types of posts should really be brought to farriers, not barrel racers. Some of the shoeing advice I have read on here boggles my mind |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | just4fun - 2015-05-06 12:21 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-06 1:12 PM I am curious too because we bought a mare from S TX and she had great feet. She was on a lot of sand and came home to a relitively moist spring/summer and then dry dry fall and winter. Her feet are like that too. Peeling back some, but she is not lame. We trimmed her about 2 weeks ago as short as we dared to get the wall more even with the toe and she looks much better. She does have a fairly deep crack on a hind foot though that stops about 1" from the hairline. It looks deep, but is not spreading and is just on the surface of the wall. I have never seen feet do that. Vets say it is change of soil and environment more than anything. My current farrier said that even though they look horrible, the cracks were all superficial. He felt like he was just one that needed to be kept shod b/c of thin/brittle hoof wall.
This was in contrast to the previous farrier who insisted he be kept barefoot.....
IDK what to believe! But, I think they look better. Just not liking the heel??
I was told superficial too, but they still worry me. They don't seem to be thin as she doesn't chip. She is a broodmare so always in pasture and barefoot. I hope after she has been here in WY awhile they will go back to normal. |
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Location: California | One thing I have noticed about farriers recently is that they don't tend to take off a lot of heel or bars on the hoof. The farrier I use always tends to leave my horses longer that I'd like. Then again I also have shoes on one, which I believe longer is necessary for the nails. However, I noticed on my colt. his front left is ALWAYS super tall (lots of heel). It must grow that way, & I believe the farrier just take off equal amounts from each.
I'm attaching a picture of a hoof diagram. It seems like most farriers (at least around my parts) don't know what "bars" in the hoof are. They just continuosly take off too much sole.
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The Advice Guru
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| I would say this horses feet are still horrible.
The reason being is the underslung heel has caused damage, if you look at the cornet band it has an upside down smile or frowning face, all the lectures I have been to and lengthy discussion with my vet on the topic say this is very bad news.
If you look at the barefoot the curve was not as bad as the current pictures.
With superficial cracks, and flakey feet, I find the best thing to do is feed internally, I have the best luck with flax seed, and buckeye free choice mineral.
Also my vet recommends to apply fish oil on the cornet band daily, I had one horse I did this on, took back to the vet 2 weeks and he said the feet improved significantly.
Edited to say, I am guessing this horse has contracted heels too
Also horses need to be trimmed every 4 weeks if barefoot, if you weren't doing this, then this could have been the issue.
As for the shoes, I wouldn't reset every 8 weeks, on a horse with issues, I generally won't go any longer then 4, I had one gelding where his fronts were reset every 4 weeks as his toe grew twice as fast, his hinds were reset every 8 weeks as he wouldn't grow.
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What Name?
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| This just made me think of an article I read yesterday, thought I'd share.
http://www.ironfreehoof.com/hoof-balance.html |
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 Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | I honestly don't think the farrier is doing you any good. The foot looks prettier because it's not chipping with the shoes on but nothing has really improved. He's leaving to much hoof overall, heels are way to long & underrun. |
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 Certified Snake Wrangler
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Location: North MS | Hoof wasn't near as under-run when barefoot, however there was NO visible roll to the edges and that causes the outer hoof wall to make contact with the ground and cause surface chips. Now no outer contact to ground for chips, but excessive length everywhere. Coronary band now being inverted toward the pastern is not a healthy sign. Could be excessive bar length or jammed quarters. Neither is great but barefoot with a roll would provide the healthier hoof form if you had to choose. Good luck. |
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