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Location: Oklahoma | How soon after treatment has anyone had it occur? Treated with Orogin back in January and his six week follow up test was good (this was late February), but he seems to be acting somwhat lethargic and did not finish his food last night or this morning. This could be because of the different HealthyCoat, but I went ahead and gave him 10mL of omperazole after he did not eat this morning. He has been a slow & picky eater plenty of times, but rarely just downright refuses.
We just got back from the vet. He pulled blood and I also asked him to check it out and see if I was giving everything he needs vitamin and mineral wise if maybe that is our problem.
Won't have an answer on the EPM for a few days, but just curious for those who have had a relapse how quickly it occured. |
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| I had several EPM relapse or just not getting rid of it, over a two year span, with the medication I was given. Finally, she is better now. |
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Location: Oklahoma | abuffalo27 - 2015-05-12 11:31 AM I had several EPM relapse or just not getting rid of it, over a two year span, with the medication I was given. Finally, she is better now.
What did you use to treat? Did you continue to use the same medication time and time again? Were the symptoms the same or did you see different ones each time?
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Location: Beggs, OK | What are you feeding now, I forget? It wasn't until I got mine right digestively that they would consistenly finish their feed. It's been a LONG road! |
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-12 1:03 PM What are you feeding now, I forget? It wasn't until I got mine right digestively that they would consistenly finish their feed. It's been a LONG road!
He's been on Renew Gold since mid August and has always finished his bucket clean. He also gets a scoop of Platinum CJ, Lysine and Vitamin E (both from MVP) in the AM with two pumps of Healthy Coat to stick it all together. In the PM he gets the RG with alfalfa pellets and a scoop of Forco. All products should be safe from everything I've read on here. Then he gets flakes of alfalfa throughout the day in addition to his bermudagrass round bale. I ran out of the Equine Healthy Coat and bought Goat by mistake. This was the only change feed wise in the last 24 hours.
He did go off his feed when I had him stalled post injections a couple of months ago. A few days of omperazole and he was back on it 100%.
My other gelding is also on the RG and alfalfa pellet mixture and gets Forco at night and he acts completely normal.
I turned them out in a grassy corral this morning to eat grass (their pasture/lot is really muddy and I hate them tracking and trampling what is coming up) and he seems to be a bit perkier, but he's not been nickering for me like he does when he see me with feed/hay in hand. This is why I'm wondering about him!
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Location: Beggs, OK | You might try just backing off all of the extras and see if he'll eat the RG by itself. Horses tend to eat what they need and he might be overwhelmed at all of the supplements. |
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| I tried the Diclazuril, levamisole and vit E "shake" from weatherford lab in texas multiple times over two years and I tried pathogenes lab once. I would notice symptoms like choking and laying down after eating, leaning up against the stall, tripping, weight loss especially muscle mass. I would always ask a friend her opinion because I would get use to the way she looked. I finally took her to a different vet, he gave her Decoquinate and levamisole for 28 days at a higher dose than the pathogens lab gives. This time she has not (fingers crossed) regressed! I have her on Vit E at 10,000 units a day, forco, Lysine, biotine and I feed Blue Bonnet Omega Force. I also give hay rite alf alfa soaked in water once a day. |
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-12 1:43 PM You might try just backing off all of the extras and see if he'll eat the RG by itself. Horses tend to eat what they need and he might be overwhelmed at all of the supplements.
Thanks! I'll try that tonight. |
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Location: Oklahoma | abuffalo27 - 2015-05-12 1:44 PM I tried the Diclazuril, levamisole and vit E "shake" from weatherford lab in texas multiple times over two years and I tried pathogenes lab once. I would notice symptoms like choking and laying down after eating, leaning up against the stall, tripping, weight loss especially muscle mass. I would always ask a friend her opinion because I would get use to the way she looked. I finally took her to a different vet, he gave her Decoquinate and levamisole for 28 days at a higher dose than the pathogens lab gives. This time she has not (fingers crossed) regressed! I have her on Vit E at 10,000 units a day, forco, Lysine, biotine and I feed Blue Bonnet Omega Force. I also give hay rite alf alfa soaked in water once a day.
Thanks!!! People tell me he 'looks good!"... but I always want to see him with a few more pounds. He does have some muscle atrophy in his hind end still from the winter when he had it... but he still looks 10x better than he did back then.
He has been doing a tripping feeling, but I am also looking into his stifles as I've had people that have had stifle problems say those were symptoms of that (and he was injected 10 months ago). The vet felt around and said that he was sore, but he wanted to see how his blood work checks out before we explore that. |
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Location: In my own world | Ebb you need to quit making your mom worry!!!
As far as relapses go I have read on here that stress can cause them to relapse. So sending one into training or hard riding at home. Also that there are several meds to treat as you know and some works for some and not for others. You have to find the one that works for your horse. I used Protazil on my mare and haven't seen a relapse that I know of.
However I would lean towards the goat Healthy Coat. It may be ok to feed him but he may not like it!!! |
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| Longneck - 2015-05-12 1:56 PM
abuffalo27 - 2015-05-12 1:44 PM I tried the Diclazuril, levamisole and vit E "shake" from weatherford lab in texas multiple times over two years and I tried pathogenes lab once. I would notice symptoms like choking and laying down after eating, leaning up against the stall, tripping, weight loss especially muscle mass. I would always ask a friend her opinion because I would get use to the way she looked. I finally took her to a different vet, he gave her Decoquinate and levamisole for 28 days at a higher dose than the pathogens lab gives. This time she has not (fingers crossed) regressed! I have her on Vit E at 10,000 units a day, forco, Lysine, biotine and I feed Blue Bonnet Omega Force. I also give hay rite alf alfa soaked in water once a day.
Thanks!!! People tell me he 'looks good!"... but I always want to see him with a few more pounds. He does have some muscle atrophy in his hind end still from the winter when he had it... but he still looks 10x better than he did back then.
He has been doing a tripping feeling, but I am also looking into his stifles as I've had people that have had stifle problems say those were symptoms of that (and he was injected 10 months ago). The vet felt around and said that he was sore, but he wanted to see how his blood work checks out before we explore that.
With my horse, in the past, I had a vet inject hocks and stifles while also treating for EPM, I DID NOT know this would lower her immune system and could cause her not to get well. Now, I am doing one thing at a time on her and spacing it all out. She would also look better at times and then look worse at times. The muscle atrophy was only in hind end and right nostril. Unless you was around her daily and know her well, it could have been missed. Oakridge has been great and did not waste my money trying to find lameness until the EPM was gone :") |
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| I treated with Pathogens Orogin back in mid September. I felt like my mare immediately got better, however she couldn't hold up for a long weekend, and then gradually got worse in her runs. I felt like the Orogin did some good, but maybe didn't knock the EPM all the way out. So in January I treated with IV Diclazuril. So far, we are still EPM free. I keep her on Forco, a daily ulcer preventative, (or treatment when needed), IMMUNE from animal element, Vit E 10,000 from MVP as well as 1 flake high quality alfalfa morning and night for added amino acids to help her bulk up after losing so much muscle mass in her hind end. I DID in fact need to have hocks and stifles done after treatment was done because she had really torn up those joints from using her body improperly for so long last summer before finally diagnosing EPM. She has made a 360 turn around since treating in January and is looking better than ever from top to bottom!
It is a nasty disease, but it is fixable if you REALLY pay attention to every tiny detail of your horse. My best advice is to read absolutely as much as possible about EPM, both on threads here and also just google it and see what medical professionals have to say about it. A healthy digestive and immune system play such a huge role in keeping this disease away. I wish you the best of luck in finding what works for you! Just find your best combination, and stick with it. |
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Location: Texas | I treated mine with Oroquin and had to retreat later with marquis. Cleared it up. EPM is a nasty illness and it is not uncommon at all to have to treat multiple times with multiple drugs. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Thanks, everyone! We did inject his SI a few weeks after we got his second test results. Just hope that it didn't do more harm to him. The stifle (constantly resting that leg and haven't figured out why yet) is a real concern, but I figure I better rule out a relapse before I spend more money on blocks and x rays. Fingers crossed that the test comes back good and the stifle is a lesser of two evils.
I wasn't able to beat him to his leftover grain this evening when I put him back in his lot and I'm happy to report that he ate everything he left this morning! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain. |
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Location: Oklahoma | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain.
Thanks for the info! I'll be sending you a PM with the full backstory. |
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Location: In my own world | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain.
I can't highlight on my phone but what do you use for good digestion besides FORCO and Bluebonnet? I've used FORCO and can't get bluebonnet on my area. Got a mare (no epm) but she's tucked up all the time. Race bred but still would like her more filled out |
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Location: Crowder, OK | I treated mine w/relaspe treatment last spring was planning on doing some this spring, but he started relasping earlier, did the new 28 day treatment from oakridge that you feed daily and a month later, my horse was back to him self. Im not waiting a full year anymore, Im gonna do the montly treatment twice a year from now on. I hate EPM! |
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Location: In my own world | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain.
I can't highlight on my phone but what do you use for good digestion besides FORCO and Bluebonnet? I've used FORCO and can't get bluebonnet on my area. Got a mare (no epm) but she's tucked up all the time. Race bred but still would like her more filled out |
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Location: Beggs, OK | livinonlove&horses - 2015-05-13 1:19 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain. I can't highlight on my phone but what do you use for good digestion besides FORCO and Bluebonnet? I've used FORCO and can't get bluebonnet on my area. Got a mare (no epm) but she's tucked up all the time. Race bred but still would like her more filled out
There are lots of good quality probiotics on the market. Look and see what's available in your area. I think you can order Transform on the Bluebonnet website and I know that you can get it on www.nrsworld.com It's higher through them than what I pay, but if it could give her a boost to get her started on the right track it's worth it. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 10:18 AM
Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain.
What many doses to you get out of the Transform DSI ?
Sorry found it on their website.... its pricey.
Anyone have before and after pics with this?
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Location: Beggs, OK | astreakinchic - 2015-05-13 1:35 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 10:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain. What many doses to you get out of the Transform DSI ? Sorry found it on their website.... its pricey.
We are feeding it to seven horses right now, so I'm a little scared to figure it up...Ours is out of necessity to see if they can recover from the bad feed. You are supposed to be able to get 30-60 days out of the 13# and 90-180 days out of the 40#. We had them all on 4oz a day for the first 60 days and now they are all on 2oz a day. Bluebonnet used some of my pictures recently on FB to show their changes in 30 days on Omega Force and Transform DSI. It's been amazing to see them fill in so much when the vets said that they wouldn't. |
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Location: Oklahoma | livinonlove&horses - 2015-05-13 1:19 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain. I can't highlight on my phone but what do you use for good digestion besides FORCO and Bluebonnet? I've used FORCO and can't get bluebonnet on my area. Got a mare (no epm) but she's tucked up all the time. Race bred but still would like her more filled out
Bluebonnet ships from their website, but it's $18 for the 13.5 pail. I'm lucky enough to have plenty of dealers around. If it would be cheaper for me to ship it to you I'd gladly do it! |
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Location: In my own world | Longneck - 2015-05-13 1:45 PM
livinonlove&horses - 2015-05-13 1:19 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-13 9:18 AM Does your vet have a lameness locator? Dr. White at Sallisaw just got one and we have had a lot of fun with it so far! He's finding things now that we would have had to make blind guesses at before.
You are doing the right thing with his feed, but what we have also found is that EPM relapses are coming from a lowered immune system. A healthy digestive system is the key to a healthy immune system. As much as everyone loves Forco I don't think it's getting the job done in some cases. It hurts a little to spend the money on the Bluebonnet Transform DSI, but I have been blown away at the results that we have seen. I was told by several vets throughout this feed contamination ordeal that my horses probably looked as good as I could hope for them to and there wasn't anything I can do...I'm telling you this stuff is bringing my horses back to what they are supposed to look like. I have a few that will not be able to be performance horses, one that won't be useable at all, and one was euthanized, but we know now why I had to treat 10 horses for EPM in the past three years.
You have to have a healthy gut to have a healthy horse...and if your horse looks drawn up in the flanks all the time, the gut is not functioning properly. This means that no matter what you feed them they will act and look ulcery and will not gain. I can't highlight on my phone but what do you use for good digestion besides FORCO and Bluebonnet? I've used FORCO and can't get bluebonnet on my area. Got a mare (no epm) but she's tucked up all the time. Race bred but still would like her more filled out
I'll look into it! |
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