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http://www.poisonedpets.com/blue-buffalo-admits-to-bull****ting-con...
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Location: Austin, Texas, where it can get really weird!! | I use evolve a moderately priced gluten free dog food been really happy with it. Most dog food comes as a by product of human consumption and any large commercial operations are getting them from leftovers of processing. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m |
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| Blue Buffalo admits to bulls* consumers, lawsuit with Purina heats up
Blue Buffalo admitted the truth in court yesterday: A “substantial” and “material” portion of Blue Buffalo pet food sold over the past several years contained poultry by-product meal, despite pervasive advertising claims to the contrary. Blue Buffalo asked the Court for additional time to file an Amended Complaint in the litigation, naming its ingredient suppliers as Defendants.
The admission came almost one year to the day when Purina filed a lawsuit against Blue Buffalo for false advertising after testing revealed the presence of poultry by-product meal in some of Blue Buffalo’s top selling pet foods.
In its original suit, Purina alleged independent tests showed that Blue Buffalo uses chicken by-products, egg shells, rice hulls and artificial preservatives in its products — despite claims to the contrary. Blue Buffalo has continued to make claims in its advertising that none of its pet foods contains animal by-products thereby implying that Blue pet foods are healthier for pets than competitive foods that contain by-products.
A lab report by Windsor Laboratories, which Purina submitted in the civil lawsuit, alleged several of Blue Buffalo’s pet foods contained poultry by-product meal which contained “between 22 and 24 % poultry byproduct meal, egg shell and raw feather.”
THE BY-PRODUCT BLUES
Animal by-products, the much-maligned pet food ingredient, probably tops most consumers list of ingredients to avoid: A concern that Blue’s advertising campaign exploited. Indeed, when Blue Buffalo commissioned consumer research and discovered that pet owners have strong ideas of what they don’t want their animals eating—above all, anything called a by-product– they discovered the basis for their marketing campaign: “Consumers just don’t like the sound of ‘byproduct,’ says Bill Bishop, the Chairman of Blue Buffalo.
What is chicken (or poultry) by-product meal? Generally speaking, it’s ground-up chicken necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines and it’s not supposed to include feathers (although Purina’s testing found feathers). Animal by-products generally are thought to include organs — lung, spleen, kidney, brain, liver — blood, bone, fatty tissue, stomach and intestines. Which, under certain circumstances, could be perfectly fine ingredients, as long as they were not rendered. Unfortunately, meat meals are typically the result of rendering, a process involving one of the meat industry’s most revolting aspects of dealing with slaughterhouse waste.
But, the central issue is not whether by-products are bad for pets to eat, it’s about Blue Buffalo’s insistent claim that their pet food did not contain ground-up chicken intestines and feet, when in fact it probably did or still does (no one is certain).
HISTORY DOES REPEAT ITSELF
An eerily familiar story involving Blue Buffalo emerged back in 2007, when Purina and many other major brands recalled tons of dog and cat food after the FDA found it was contaminated with melamine, an industrial chemical traced to Chinese suppliers. However, Blue Buffalo arrogantly ran advertisements bragging that its products didn’t contain the chemical. Unfortunately, it turned out not to be correct, and Blue Buffalo eventually had to pull a third of its product line. At the time, Blue Buffalo said it had been “deliberately deceived” by one of its contract manufacturers. Sound familiar?
THROWING THE SUPPLIER UNDER THE BUS
Blue Buffalo now claims it had no way of knowing the bags contained by-product meal. A manufacturer is responsible for knowing what’s in its product, which a simple audit of its supply chain would have revealed what Purina discovered after reviewing the documentation.
San Francisco-based Wilbur-Ellis admitted that following a review of its facilities – in response to concerns about product mislabeling – it “revealed poor record-keeping and operational processes at its facility in Rosser, Texas, and the mislabeling of pet food ingredients that were sold to companies that formulate food for pets.” But, Wilbur-Ellis hastened to add that although mislabeled, albeit illegal, “the products sold were all commonly used in pet food and safe for pets to consume.”
Bishop explained, that when the company learned that Wilbur-Ellis screwed up and had accidentally mislabeled some ingredients, he complained that although Blue was “ordering and paying for 100% chicken meal, at times they were receiving shipments that contained poultry by-product meal.”
SELLING THE SIZZLE NOT THE STEAK
Contrary to its carefully cultivated reputation for authenticity, Blue Buffalo’s advertising campaign, as it turns out, was built on a claim that should have been verified. And the image of the little family run business up against Big Pet Food isn’t exactly accurate either: Blue Buffalo is, in fact, owned by a big Wall Street firm and they outsource all their manufacturing, as do most pet food manufacturers.
Started in 2002, Blue Buffalo was propelled by advertising techniques Bill Bishop honed as an ad man on Madison Avenue where he ran ad campaigns for for brands such as Kool-Aid, Tang, Tareyton cigarettes (“I’d rather fight than switch”), and later SoBe, a beverage company he co-founded in the 1990s. Blue Buffalo last year racked up an impressive $1 billion in sales, making it America’s fastest-growing major purveyor of pet food and the largest specializing in the all-natural kibble niche.
Bishop realized that getting into the pet food market by starting small with contract manufacturers making the product was a no-brainer and that all one had to do was, “Slap on a good label, come up with a slogan, and off you go.” He already knew it would be a cinch to pull the wool over consumer’s eyes, because, as he said, “There were already a lot of smoke and mirrors in how pet food was advertised, and that was the sort of stuff we were good at.”
Being the consummate ad man, one who might still believe that any publicity is good publicity, one can’t help but speculate that the wily Bishop has lured Purina into a fight where attention is the real objective.
AN APOLOGY, A RECALL, AND A REFUND
All consumers have received thus far in this debacle in the way of an apology (if you can even call it that) is the wishy-washy half-admission that Blue Buffalo products “may” contain undeclared by-products. If Blue Buffalo sold products to consumers with by-products, has products in the marketplace that are mislabeled, I would expect Blue Buffalo to withdraw those products from the market.
However, despite this admission, Blue Buffalo still has failed to acknowledge complete responsibility for betraying consumer trust in their brand:
They still have not informed consumers of the presence of poultry by-product meal is or may have been in certain formulas;
They still have not revealed if the mislabeled product(s) were removed from the market or which brands may still be on the market or in consumer’s homes;
They still have not issued a recall;
They still have not offered refunds for purchases of said product;
Instead, they have chosen to place the entire blame at the feet of its suppliers.
Perhaps Blue Buffalo isn’t necessarily worse than other brands, but there’s no real evidence it’s any better and therein lays the crux of the matter – that consumers were ripped off.
Quite simply, the very least consumers deserve in an unreserved apology for the deception, the lies that seduced pet parents to buy a pet food brand that they were told was better than other brands and superior in quality for the health and well being of their beloved pets.
While consumers are angry and hurt by the deception, Bishop shrugs and says, “What can you do? Litigation is part of modern business.” |
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| mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:07 PM
Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m
Me too, and I had been feeding the Blue Wilderness puppy food, as it seemed decent and was less expensive & easier to find than some others.
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mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:07 PM
Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m
Me too, and I had been feeding the Blue Wilderness puppy food, as it seemed decent and was less expensive & easier to find than some others.
So what IS good to feed??
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I alternate between taste of the wild and diamond naturals _____ and rice. My dog holds her weight better with TOTW, but it's a lot more money too. There are probably better foods out there, but we don't have them around here. I supplement with some scraps as well. My dogs don't believe that theory about feeding them the same thing all the time to avoid upset tummies. LOL |
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| I didn't take the time to read the article, but dang this upsets me. Our vet has a list tacked to the wall with 5-Star, 4-Star, so on and so forth categorizing dog foods. We WERE feeding Purina Lamb and Rice (something I'd consider to be quality..not cheap by any means, dog food.) Well it barely made the 3-star category. So we switched the dogs to Blue Wilderness EXPENSIVE as crap but we love our dogs and want to give them the best quality. That is at the tip top of my vet's list.
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Location: N Texas | mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:22 PM
quikchik - 2015-05-14 11:13 AM
mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:07 PM
Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m
Me too, and I had been feeding the Blue Wilderness puppy food, as it seemed decent and was less expensive & easier to find than some others.
So what IS good to feed??
Your guess is as good as mine are on that......m
I've been feeding Blue Wilderness for a long time, after doing a lot of research on dog foods. So is it BAD for dogs?? I can tell you that it has nearly eliminated one of my dog's BAD gas problems. She used to have really bad gas, but she hasn't had that problem in a long time.
They also all look really good, and they feel great on it. One of my dogs really perked up after I put her on it.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Blue Buffalo was once a great food and then they sold the company. Same thing happened to California Naturals. Fed it for years and then Colgate Palmolive bought it and they have had at least 2 recalls. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | It's not that the Blue Buffalo is BAD for your dog...it's that it is no better, and no higher quality than the mid price brands. And yet...they falsely advertise that it contains no by products. Baloney...it absolutely does and likely routinely. It is simply not worth the high price. Anyone paying that has been fooled by the marketing campaign of some very savvy advertisers and scam artists that are taking advantage of an owner that wants to feed their dog the best diet whatever the price.
In all reality...the only way to know for sure that your dog only gets quality food ingredients is to make their food yourself. But...since I hardly have the time to cook for us...our dogs get a decent mid price brand and some "people food" on occasion. Our going on 15 heeler thinks that is good enough.  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have our dog food autoshipped. You have to buy at least 50#'s but it's been great. Good prices and I don't have to worry about making a special trip to the pet store as we don't feed grocery store or feed store dog food.
http://www.chewy.com/
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | star1218 - 2015-05-13 2:00 PM I didn't take the time to read the article, but dang this upsets me. Our vet has a list tacked to the wall with 5-Star, 4-Star, so on and so forth categorizing dog foods. We WERE feeding Purina Lamb and Rice (something I'd consider to be quality..not cheap by any means, dog food.) Well it barely made the 3-star category. So we switched the dogs to Blue Wilderness EXPENSIVE as crap but we love our dogs and want to give them the best quality. That is at the tip top of my vet's list.
We feed the recommended amounts and admittedly we do feed less and they look great and love the taste. Switching foods constantly isn't good for them either, so screw it!
Dogs didn't eat the same diet constantly until the relatively recent invention of kibble food. The whole "don't switch their food" doesn't actually apply to the majority.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-05-13 2:20 PM I have our dog food autoshipped. You have to buy at least 50#'s but it's been great. Good prices and I don't have to worry about making a special trip to the pet store as we don't feed grocery store or feed store dog food.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-13 12:31 PM
I alternate between taste of the wild and diamond naturals _____ and rice. My dog holds her weight better with TOTW, but it's a lot more money too. There are probably better foods out there, but we don't have them around here. I supplement with some scraps as well. My dogs don't believe that theory about feeding them the same thing all the time to avoid upset tummies. LOL
Used to feed metric f tons of Diamond when I had FT dogs.
They have fallen way off on QT and customer service over the years.
I now feed TOTW with zero problems even from the Boston with kidney issues.
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| mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:22 PM
quikchik - 2015-05-14 11:13 AM
mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:07 PM
Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m
Me too, and I had been feeding the Blue Wilderness puppy food, as it seemed decent and was less expensive & easier to find than some others.
So what IS good to feed??
Your guess is as good as mine are on that......m
Misty, I was speaking with the buckeye equine nutritionist, buckeye primary concern is quality, as it is a family owned and run company who feed their own products to their animals.
Anyway they bought IAMS and have changed quality controls, and ingredients,
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Location: Colorado | I am sure to miss some important points along the way. There is a whole lot of bad information on this thread. Let me attempt to clear up that and then I will gladly give you all some information on what to look for in a good dog food.
Bare with me as I do some quick responses to several earlier posts.
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Location: Colorado | cheryl makofka - 2015-05-13 5:01 PM mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:22 PM quikchik - 2015-05-14 11:13 AM mruggles - 2015-05-13 12:07 PM Thats what i feed and it ranges in price from 95 (locally) to 65..to get the 65 price i have to drive 3hours to the city......its very disapointing to read this stuff as i try to research the products i use and do the best i can for all my animals......m Me too, and I had been feeding the Blue Wilderness puppy food, as it seemed decent and was less expensive & easier to find than some others. So what IS good to feed?? Your guess is as good as mine are on that......m Misty, I was speaking with t he buckeye equine nutritionist, buckeye primary concern is quality, as it is a family owned and run company who feed their own products to their animals. Anyway they bought IAMS and have changed quality controls, and ingredients, I would have a look at IAMS since it is available up here.
Nope! Someone is confusing Buckeye's corp. name "Mars horsecare" with Mars PET. Mars Pet is a large corp. which owns 41 brands, including Banfield, Candy, and several pet foods.
The purchase of Iams, Eukanuba and California Natural was a multiple billion dollar deal last year.
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Location: Colorado | arion - 2015-05-13 3:58 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-13 12:31 PM I alternate between taste of the wild and diamond naturals _____ and rice. My dog holds her weight better with TOTW, but it's a lot more money too. There are probably better foods out there, but we don't have them around here. I supplement with some scraps as well. My dogs don't believe that theory about feeding them the same thing all the time to avoid upset tummies. LOL Used to feed metric f tons of Diamond when I had FT dogs. They have fallen way off on QT and customer service over the years. I now feed TOTW with zero problems even from the Boston with kidney issues.
TOTW is owned by the same Family as Diamond. So QT and Customer Service are one and the same.
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Location: Colorado | Nevertooold - 2015-05-13 2:18 PM Blue Buffalo was once a great food and then they sold the company. Same thing happened to California Naturals. Fed it for years and then Colgate Palmolive bought it and they have had at least 2 recalls.
Blue has never sold. They have been for sale since virtually the day they started.
California Nautral was originally purchsed by Proctor & Gamble, and they sold the Mars PET.
Colgate owns Science Diet.
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Location: Colorado | star1218 - 2015-05-13 2:00 PM I didn't take the time to read the article, but dang this upsets me. Our vet has a list tacked to the wall with 5-Star, 4-Star, so on and so forth categorizing dog foods. We WERE feeding Purina Lamb and Rice (something I'd consider to be quality..not cheap by any means, dog food.) Well it barely made the 3-star category. So we switched the dogs to Blue Wilderness EXPENSIVE as crap but we love our dogs and want to give them the best quality. That is at the tip top of my vet's list.
We feed the recommended amounts and admittedly we do feed less and they look great and love the taste. Switching foods constantly isn't good for them either, so screw it!
Not true. There is a movement to feed a differant food every bag. Theory is anything missing from one is included in the next. I have a new rescue who has been on four foods in three months. Cold turkey, no mixing, etc. Not a single problem. She does get a quality pre biotic every days.
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Location: Colorado | astreakinchic - 2015-05-13 12:39 PM Dog food prices make me soooooo angry. I wish some new company would come in and re-define good food and price standards.
What do you believe dog food should cost? Serious question.
Factor in the initial science and research to bring a new product to market. Sourcing good quality ingredients. Where and who will be making the kibble. New plants are running 50 mil minimum to build. Bags, transportation, etc..
There are some great companies out there with great foods. Why do we need to re define that?
I am seriously interested. Spending 24/7 in the industry it is refreashing to here a consumers point of view.
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Location: Colorado | I will admit that BLue has Never been a favorite of mine. For numerous reasons. A couple of recalls early on that were sloppy. The "Life Source Bits" are never consistant. Blue does not make their own food. They shop the recipes out and lowest cost wins. Thus the problem with consistancy.
Customer service has always been an issue. Starting with the stores and distributors not getting information when needed.
For the industry this law suit has been the gift that just keeps on giving. There has been a lot of great information come out about both sides.
Someone asked if Blue was safe to feed. Who knows. They obviously are not monitoring what is going into the bags. At the end of the day Blue is charging insane amounts for less than stellar foods. Hopefully this will also force Blue to admit how many differant places are making their food. Something they have not wanted to talk about for years.
I am not a Purina fan either. Purina is not an Amerian company and that keeps it from coming into myhouse.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If you really want them on a main source protein and cost is not at issue, have your own beef processed locally where you can monitor it and feed them hamburger. Buy a vitamin supplement. Worm them regularly. walaa. |
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Location: Colorado | There are several independant, privately owned food companies. Many have their own facilities. These are the foods I look at. The owners entire income depends on their food. A recall can break them.
Canidae - All Life Stages is made in Brownwood TX at a company owned facility.
Hi-Tek - The owner has been in dog food for 40 plus years. Owns his own plant and evan grows a good portion of the barley they use.
Breakaway - Very limited distribution at this point. Owned by the same Vet who owns Great Life. They recently purchased their own plant.
Tuffy's - Pure Vita and Nutri Source. Family owned. Have their own plant.
Fromm - Fifth generation family owned and operated. Have their own plant.
Victor - TX company that is starting to gain distribution outside of the TX, LS area. Family owned and have their own plant.
Starting to see a trend here??
Please think twice about ordering from Chewy or any of the other automatic ship programs. Who owns these companies? Where is the food stored? How long does it sit in a hot UPS truck, etc., while making its way to your house.
Go to an independant store. They know their foods, they care about their customers and most of all they are on top of recalls and lawsuits all the time. Not to mention they are your friends and neighbors and the money you spend with them stays in the community. Want to fix the economy? Shop LOCAL!
Keep in mind you do not have to spend the most to get a good quality food that works for your dog.
As always guestions and comments are welcome. YOu may need to PM me as my schedule is a bit beyond crazy these days.
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Location: Colorado | oija - 2015-05-13 9:23 PM If you really want them on a main source protein and cost is not at issue, have your own beef processed locally where you can monitor it and feed them hamburger. Buy a vitamin supplement. Worm them regularly. walaa.
A dog needs more than hamburger and a vitamin for a balanced diet. This is really not a great idea.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | You could add some rice for carbs but so long as qualities are controlled and its fresh and handled in a sanitary way I think it is an excellent diet. Wild dogs and wolves survive on this kind of diet. It would be similar to a paleo diet for people. As fresh and unprocessed as possible. |
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This is a non-biased neutral website that rates all dogs foods. Also has a detailed list of "suspicious" ingredients.......and almost all dog foods (wet or dry) have at least one or two of those. You just have to make a personal decision as to what are the lesser of the evils you can live with.
The only way to stay totally away from bad things is to make your own food.
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a blue heeler (8 months old now) I tried feeding the Blue Buffalo. It made him horribly sick. I had to take him to the vet and the vet indicated to me that as a Vet they were not a big supported of it. This was the 4th dog in 2 months- same issues.
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| Anyone know anything about the 4HEALTH line of dog and cat food? Thats what I use. My dog seems to be gradually getting healthier ( hes on the overweight edition, my cats on the normal version) But honestly. I never researched much dog/cat food ... I always just checked out the ingredients and if I didnt like what was in it, I didn't buy it.
ETA: well I looked up the rating. It's 4stars... not sure how happy I am that the one I have my older boy on is a 3 star rating though. Gonna switch dog food. Its worth another 5 bucks if he's healthy.
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-13 12:39 PM Dog food prices make me soooooo angry. I wish some new company would come in and re-define good food and price standards.
What do you believe dog food should cost? Serious question.
Factor in the initial science and research to bring a new product to market. Sourcing good quality ingredients. Where and who will be making the kibble. New plants are running 50 mil minimum to build. Bags, transportation, etc..
There are some great companies out there with great foods. Why do we need to re define that?
I am seriously interested. Spending 24/7 in the industry it is refreashing to here a consumers point of view.
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I want quality feed for less than my horse feed. Sorry I love my dog but I'm not spending more on her dog food than I pay for my horses or myself in a month.
I'd like a middles of the road quality feed with a decent price that the average person can afford.
I'd never let my dog touch alpo. I make sure the first ingredient on what she gets isn't corn. Hopefully no corn at all. But more often than not she gets pedigree because its quick and easy to pick up. *sigh* I'll admit most of the time she eats mcDs with me headed to ride. Shame shame I know...
I've had a lab who lived to be 14yrs old, a hound/heeler mix that we had to put down at 15yrs old. I just feel like these are average life expectancies and they were fed the cheapest thing at the feed store. No aliments and no issues with their cheap feed. It may have contributed to their arthritis though.
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| Guess I was mistaken. I will say though that I stand by this statement for my boxer. I wouldn't just give him a new kind of food every time I felt like it. Now my parents Heeler eats trees, rocks, rubber, animals, etc. etc. etc...whatever she can find. She's a dog I wouldn't probably think twice about dog food switch ups. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | star1218 - 2015-05-14 8:25 AM Guess I was mistaken. I will say though that I stand by this statement for my boxer. I wouldn't just give him a new kind of food every time I felt like it. Now my parents Heeler eats trees, rocks, rubber, animals, etc. etc. etc...whatever she can find. She's a dog I wouldn't probably think twice about dog food switch ups.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-14 8:47 AM
star1218 - 2015-05-14 8:25 AM Guess I was mistaken. I will say though that I stand by this statement for my boxer. I wouldn't just give him a new kind of food every time I felt like it. Now my parents Heeler eats trees, rocks, rubber, animals, etc. etc. etc...whatever she can find. She's a dog I wouldn't probably think twice about dog food switch ups.
There are dogs with sensitive systems for sure (my sister's border terrier has a meat protein allergy, of all things), but I would venture to say most can swap around cold turkey and never bat an eye. Or poop a juicy turd.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | oija - 2015-05-14 8:57 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-14 8:47 AM star1218 - 2015-05-14 8:25 AM Guess I was mistaken. I will say though that I stand by this statement for my boxer. I wouldn't just give him a new kind of food every time I felt like it. Now my parents Heeler eats trees, rocks, rubber, animals, etc. etc. etc...whatever she can find. She's a dog I wouldn't probably think twice about dog food switch ups. There are dogs with sensitive systems for sure (my sister's border terrier has a meat protein allergy, of all things), but I would venture to say most can swap around cold turkey and never bat an eye. Or poop a juicy turd. And then turn around eat the juicy turd and want to lick your face.
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| americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 6:46 AM
Anyone know anything about the 4HEALTH line of dog and cat food? Thats what I use. My dog seems to be gradually getting healthier ( hes on the overweight edition, my cats on the normal version) But honestly. I never researched much dog/cat food ... I always just checked out the ingredients and if I didnt like what was in it, I didn't buy it.
ETA: well I looked up the rating. It's 4stars... not sure how happy I am that the one I have my older boy on is a 3 star rating though. Gonna switch dog food. Its worth another 5 bucks if he's healthy.
That's what I use for dogs and cats. I use the grain free for the dogs. They love it and seem to be thriving on it. Glossy coats less waste and no nasty gas! |
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Location: Willows, CA | When we formulated and started making a premium dog food here on the west coast the inside look at what some manufacturers do and the ingredients that they use was very troubling. Many labels that read very similar to ours have very subtle differences that mean so much in the quality of the finished product. We manufacture in a family owned plant in El Paso Texas. Some of the ingredients that we use, like food grade stabilized rice bran, Redmond salt, and our coconut had never been used in a dog food before, and had to be specially sourced for our production. Since it is very hard to show these differences on the label, many dry dog foods can be very different in nutrition while looking remarkably similar when you read the label. I guess a person needs to do their homework in the best way that they can. But, even then, label information is purposely misleading by some manufacturers. |
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| winwillows - 2015-05-14 11:43 AM
When we formulated and started making a premium dog food here on the west coast the inside look at what some manufacturers do and the ingredients that they use was very troubling. Many labels that read very similar to ours have very subtle differences that mean so much in the quality of the finished product. We manufacture in a family owned plant in El Paso Texas. Some of the ingredients that we use, like food grade stabilized rice bran, Redmond salt, and our coconut had never been used in a dog food before, and had to be specially sourced for our production. Since it is very hard to show these differences on the label, many dry dog foods can be very different in nutrition while looking remarkably similar when you read the label. I guess a person needs to do their homework in the best way that they can. But, even then, label information is purposely misleading by some manufacturers.
What is the name of your dog food? I am so happy with RG for my horse, I would be interested in a similar product for my dogs. |
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Location: Willows, CA | GLP - 2015-05-14 11:48 AM
winwillows - 2015-05-14 11:43 AM
When we formulated and started making a premium dog food here on the west coast the inside look at what some manufacturers do and the ingredients that they use was very troubling. Many labels that read very similar to ours have very subtle differences that mean so much in the quality of the finished product. We manufacture in a family owned plant in El Paso Texas. Some of the ingredients that we use, like food grade stabilized rice bran, Redmond salt, and our coconut had never been used in a dog food before, and had to be specially sourced for our production. Since it is very hard to show these differences on the label, many dry dog foods can be very different in nutrition while looking remarkably similar when you read the label. I guess a person needs to do their homework in the best way that they can. But, even then, label information is purposely misleading by some manufacturers.
What is the name of your dog food? I am so happy with RG for my horse, I would be interested in a similar product for my dogs.
Renew Gold Balance. It is a labor of love for a small independent company to get into that market. The world does not need another mediocre dog food. If you are not offering something better suited to its use, you need to not bother. Available on the West Coast and the Texas / Ok market at this time and doing well considering how hard it is to go against the big boys for store space. But, it is one flavor, one bag size, and all life stages so they don't need to bring in 10 different versions of the same food. Doing a true "all life stages" formulation that meets labeling requirements is a challenge that took a while to accomplish and be approved. We primarily designed it for dogs with skin and coat issues, and it handles those issues great. I did not mean to make a product ad, but rather point out how misleading labeling guarantees and ingredient lists can be. There are some really well made dog foods out there, but, I can tell you from experience that a true quality product is EXPENSIVE to make. Vague ingredients, or a subtle difference in what the definition of those ingredients means can greatly influence the quality of what is in the bag. |
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-05-14 8:47 AM
star1218 - 2015-05-14 8:25 AM Guess I was mistaken. I will say though that I stand by this statement for my boxer. I wouldn't just give him a new kind of food every time I felt like it. Now my parents Heeler eats trees, rocks, rubber, animals, etc. etc. etc...whatever she can find. She's a dog I wouldn't probably think twice about dog food switch ups.
There are dogs with sensitive systems for sure (my sister's border terrier has a meat protein allergy, of all things), but I would venture to say most can swap around cold turkey and never bat an eye. Or poop a juicy turd.
My Boxer can not have anything but his normal food. Any switch and he gets like explosive diarrhea, even a treat will screw his stomach up for a few days. Now my Doberman and Golden... even the cat. You could feed them a different food every night and it wouldn't phase them. Heck there is no telling what they eat on the side as it is... those 3 are just nasty little animals lol. |
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| want2chase3 - 2015-05-14 9:07 AM americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 6:46 AM Anyone know anything about the 4HEALTH line of dog and cat food? Thats what I use. My dog seems to be gradually getting healthier ( hes on the overweight edition, my cats on the normal version) But honestly. I never researched much dog/cat food ... I always just checked out the ingredients and if I didnt like what was in it, I didn't buy it.
ETA: well I looked up the rating. It's 4stars... not sure how happy I am that the one I have my older boy on is a 3 star rating though. Gonna switch dog food. Its worth another 5 bucks if he's healthy.
That's what I use for dogs and cats. I use the grain free for the dogs. They love it and seem to be thriving on it. Glossy coats less waste and no nasty gas!
I actually talked to a TSC rep about it today. From what I understand, it's the TSCs version of BLUE. I mean.. all the ratings I've seen about it are pretty great. My dog INHALES it ( ha ha he could just be hungry cause hes on a diet. But he gets 1 .5 cups x2 daily. ) my cat loves hers too, I bought my soon to be home with me puppy some for when she gets her. They all have their own special formulated versions and they all seem to love the taste and I've noticed a significant difference in my old mans coat and he's gradually losing weight!
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 3:12 PM want2chase3 - 2015-05-14 9:07 AM americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 6:46 AM Anyone know anything about the 4HEALTH line of dog and cat food? Thats what I use. My dog seems to be gradually getting healthier ( hes on the overweight edition, my cats on the normal version) But honestly. I never researched much dog/cat food ... I always just checked out the ingredients and if I didnt like what was in it, I didn't buy it.
ETA: well I looked up the rating. It's 4stars... not sure how happy I am that the one I have my older boy on is a 3 star rating though. Gonna switch dog food. Its worth another 5 bucks if he's healthy.
That's what I use for dogs and cats. I use the grain free for the dogs. They love it and seem to be thriving on it. Glossy coats less waste and no nasty gas!
Anyone else use it 4 HEALTH dog food besides the two of us??
I have fed 2-3 bags of this and my dogs seem to really like it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2015-05-13 9:25 PM There are several independant, privately owned food companies. Many have their own facilities. These are the foods I look at. The owners entire income depends on their food. A recall can break them.
Canidae - All Life Stages is made in Brownwood TX at a company owned facility.
Hi-Tek - The owner has been in dog food for 40 plus years. Owns his own plant and evan grows a good portion of the barley they use.
Breakaway - Very limited distribution at this point. Owned by the same Vet who owns Great Life. They recently purchased their own plant.
Tuffy's - Pure Vita and Nutri Source. Family owned. Have their own plant.
Fromm - Fifth generation family owned and operated. Have their own plant.
Victor - TX company that is starting to gain distribution outside of the TX, LS area. Family owned and have their own plant.
Starting to see a trend here??
Please think twice about ordering from Chewy or any of the other automatic ship programs. Who owns these companies? Where is the food stored? How long does it sit in a hot UPS truck, etc., while making its way to your house.
Go to an independant store. They know their foods, they care about their customers and most of all they are on top of recalls and lawsuits all the time. Not to mention they are your friends and neighbors and the money you spend with them stays in the community. Want to fix the economy? Shop LOCAL!
Keep in mind you do not have to spend the most to get a good quality food that works for your dog.
As always guestions and comments are welcome. YOu may need to PM me as my schedule is a bit beyond crazy these days.
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Thanks for all the info.
You told me about the Hi-Tek dog food and after trying a bunch of high dollar food, this one worked for our dogs. I was buying it from our pet store about 25 miles away and then the distributor went out of business. I couldn't find it anywhere so I called Hi-Tek and they couldn't find anyone in my area so they told me to buy it from Chewy or I think Wag. It's the only way I can get it and I'm not going through another dog food hunt as I can't handle the runs 2 of our dogs got from some of the very high dollar food. |
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Location: Colorado | americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 4:12 PM want2chase3 - 2015-05-14 9:07 AM americanpride08 - 2015-05-14 6:46 AM Anyone know anything about the 4HEALTH line of dog and cat food? Thats what I use. My dog seems to be gradually getting healthier ( hes on the overweight edition, my cats on the normal version) But honestly. I never researched much dog/cat food ... I always just checked out the ingredients and if I didnt like what was in it, I didn't buy it.
ETA: well I looked up the rating. It's 4stars... not sure how happy I am that the one I have my older boy on is a 3 star rating though. Gonna switch dog food. Its worth another 5 bucks if he's healthy.
That's what I use for dogs and cats. I use the grain free for the dogs. They love it and seem to be thriving on it. Glossy coats less waste and no nasty gas!
Anyone else use it 4 HEALTH dog food besides the two of us??
4 Health is made by Diamond. Just an IFY.
I would hope the TSC Rep would think twice about comparing it to Blue Buffalo. Currently that is not a very positive thing.
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Location: Colorado | Nevertooold - 2015-05-14 10:20 PM Stitch4k9 - 2015-05-13 9:25 PM There are several independant, privately owned food companies. Many have their own facilities. These are the foods I look at. The owners entire income depends on their food. A recall can break them.
Canidae - All Life Stages is made in Brownwood TX at a company owned facility.
Hi-Tek - The owner has been in dog food for 40 plus years. Owns his own plant and evan grows a good portion of the barley they use.
Breakaway - Very limited distribution at this point. Owned by the same Vet who owns Great Life. They recently purchased their own plant.
Tuffy's - Pure Vita and Nutri Source. Family owned. Have their own plant.
Fromm - Fifth generation family owned and operated. Have their own plant.
Victor - TX company that is starting to gain distribution outside of the TX, LS area. Family owned and have their own plant.
Starting to see a trend here??
Please think twice about ordering from Chewy or any of the other automatic ship programs. Who owns these companies? Where is the food stored? How long does it sit in a hot UPS truck, etc., while making its way to your house.
Go to an independant store. They know their foods, they care about their customers and most of all they are on top of recalls and lawsuits all the time. Not to mention they are your friends and neighbors and the money you spend with them stays in the community. Want to fix the economy? Shop LOCAL!
Keep in mind you do not have to spend the most to get a good quality food that works for your dog.
As always guestions and comments are welcome. YOu may need to PM me as my schedule is a bit beyond crazy these days.
karen Thanks for all the info.
You told me about the Hi-Tek dog food and after trying a bunch of high dollar food, this one worked for our dogs. I was buying it from our pet store about 25 miles away and then the distributor went out of business. I couldn't find it anywhere so I called Hi-Tek and they couldn't find anyone in my area so they told me to buy it from Chewy or I think Wag. It's the only way I can get it and I'm not going through another dog food hunt as I can't handle the runs 2 of our dogs got from some of the very high dollar food.
And I just saw the owner of Hi-Tek last weekend. They need to get a sales Rep in TX and get busy.
Glad to hear that the food is still working for you. And in your case I understand buying from the "Shipping" guys. Just hate to see what they are doing to the industry in general.
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Location: Colorado | winwillows - 2015-05-14 12:07 PM GLP - 2015-05-14 11:48 AM winwillows - 2015-05-14 11:43 AM When we formulated and started making a premium dog food here on the west coast the inside look at what some manufacturers do and the ingredients that they use was very troubling. Many labels that read very similar to ours have very subtle differences that mean so much in the quality of the finished product. We manufacture in a family owned plant in El Paso Texas. Some of the ingredients that we use, like food grade stabilized rice bran, Redmond salt, and our coconut had never been used in a dog food before, and had to be specially sourced for our production. Since it is very hard to show these differences on the label, many dry dog foods can be very different in nutrition while looking remarkably similar when you read the label. I guess a person needs to do their homework in the best way that they can. But, even then, label information is purposely misleading by some manufacturers. What is the name of your dog food? I am so happy with RG for my horse, I would be interested in a similar product for my dogs. Renew Gold Balance. It is a labor of love for a small independent company to get into that market. The world does not need another mediocre dog food. If you are not offering something better suited to its use, you need to not bother. Available on the West Coast and the Texas / Ok market at this time and doing well considering how hard it is to go against the big boys for store space. But, it is one flavor, one bag size, and all life stages so they don't need to bring in 10 different versions of the same food. Doing a true "all life stages" formulation that meets labeling requirements is a challenge that took a while to accomplish and be approved. We primarily designed it for dogs with skin and coat issues, and it handles those issues great. I did not mean to make a product ad, but rather point out how misleading labeling guarantees and ingredient lists can be. There are some really well made dog foods out there, but, I can tell you from experience that a true quality product is EXPENSIVE to make. Vague ingredients, or a subtle difference in what the definition of those ingredients means can greatly influence the quality of what is in the bag.
If you decide to look for a distributor in the CO market let me know. We have a couple of Great Independant distributors who know their stuff. And we have a ton of good independant stores.
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Location: Colorado | astreakinchic - 2015-05-14 7:17 AM Stitch4k9 - 2015-05-13 10:03 PM astreakinchic - 2015-05-13 12:39 PM Dog food prices make me soooooo angry. I wish some new company would come in and re-define good food and price standards. What do you believe dog food should cost? Serious question.
Factor in the initial science and research to bring a new product to market. Sourcing good quality ingredients. Where and who will be making the kibble. New plants are running 50 mil minimum to build. Bags, transportation, etc..
There are some great companies out there with great foods. Why do we need to re define that?
I am seriously interested. Spending 24/7 in the industry it is refreashing to here a consumers point of view.
karen I want quality feed for less than my horse feed. Sorry I love my dog but I'm not spending more on her dog food than I pay for my horses or myself in a month. I'd like a middles of the road quality feed with a decent price that the average person can afford. I'd never let my dog touch alpo. I make sure the first ingredient on what she gets isn't corn. Hopefully no corn at all. But more often than not she gets pedigree because its quick and easy to pick up. *sigh* I'll admit most of the time she eats mcDs with me headed to ride. Shame shame I know... I've had a lab who lived to be 14yrs old, a hound/heeler mix that we had to put down at 15yrs old. I just feel like these are average life expectancies and they were fed the cheapest thing at the feed store. No aliments and no issues with their cheap feed. It may have contributed to their arthritis though. I now try to buy better feed for my aussie but that doesn't happen it always happens.
PLEASE stop feeding Pedigree. It has red dye. Red dye is illegal in human products for a reason.
Keep in mind that a cleaner food, (no corn, or wheat) is going to cost less per serving. You can feed your dog for less than your horse if you ad the cost of hay in there. My old Red Aussie ate a lot of "road food" as well. And he lived to 16.5. I fully believe genetics played a hugh part in that. Diamond Nautral is available at many places. You might try it. It is darn sure cheaper than McD's.
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| winwillows - 2015-05-14 12:07 PM
GLP - 2015-05-14 11:48 AM
winwillows - 2015-05-14 11:43 AM
When we formulated and started making a premium dog food here on the west coast the inside look at what some manufacturers do and the ingredients that they use was very troubling. Many labels that read very similar to ours have very subtle differences that mean so much in the quality of the finished product. We manufacture in a family owned plant in El Paso Texas. Some of the ingredients that we use, like food grade stabilized rice bran, Redmond salt, and our coconut had never been used in a dog food before, and had to be specially sourced for our production. Since it is very hard to show these differences on the label, many dry dog foods can be very different in nutrition while looking remarkably similar when you read the label. I guess a person needs to do their homework in the best way that they can. But, even then, label information is purposely misleading by some manufacturers.
What is the name of your dog food? I am so happy with RG for my horse, I would be interested in a similar product for my dogs.
Renew Gold Balance. It is a labor of love for a small independent company to get into that market. The world does not need another mediocre dog food. If you are not offering something better suited to its use, you need to not bother. Available on the West Coast and the Texas / Ok market at this time and doing well considering how hard it is to go against the big boys for store space. But, it is one flavor, one bag size, and all life stages so they don't need to bring in 10 different versions of the same food. Doing a true "all life stages" formulation that meets labeling requirements is a challenge that took a while to accomplish and be approved. We primarily designed it for dogs with skin and coat issues, and it handles those issues great. I did not mean to make a product ad, but rather point out how misleading labeling guarantees and ingredient lists can be. There are some really well made dog foods out there, but, I can tell you from experience that a true quality product is EXPENSIVE to make. Vague ingredients, or a subtle difference in what the definition of those ingredients means can greatly influence the quality of what is in the bag.
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Location: Kansas | I feed Purina One and my dogs look and feel great. Dog food propaganda is an industry in itself just like the auto industry where they try to convince you foreign made cars last longer and get better mileage. It's all balanced by whoever has the most money to put out phoney studies and charts to further their agenda.
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-14 7:17 AM Stitch4k9 - 2015-05-13 10:03 PM astreakinchic - 2015-05-13 12:39 PM Dog food prices make me soooooo angry. I wish some new company would come in and re-define good food and price standards. What do you believe dog food should cost? Serious question.
Factor in the initial science and research to bring a new product to market. Sourcing good quality ingredients. Where and who will be making the kibble. New plants are running 50 mil minimum to build. Bags, transportation, etc..
There are some great companies out there with great foods. Why do we need to re define that?
I am seriously interested. Spending 24/7 in the industry it is refreashing to here a consumers point of view.
karen I want quality feed for less than my horse feed. Sorry I love my dog but I'm not spending more on her dog food than I pay for my horses or myself in a month. I'd like a middles of the road quality feed with a decent price that the average person can afford. I'd never let my dog touch alpo. I make sure the first ingredient on what she gets isn't corn. Hopefully no corn at all. But more often than not she gets pedigree because its quick and easy to pick up. *sigh* I'll admit most of the time she eats mcDs with me headed to ride. Shame shame I know... I've had a lab who lived to be 14yrs old, a hound/heeler mix that we had to put down at 15yrs old. I just feel like these are average life expectancies and they were fed the cheapest thing at the feed store. No aliments and no issues with their cheap feed. It may have contributed to their arthritis though. I now try to buy better feed for my aussie but that doesn't happen it always happens.
Keep in mind that a cleaner food, (no corn, or wheat) is going to cost less per serving. You can feed your dog for less than your horse if you ad the cost of hay in there. My old Red Aussie ate a lot of "road food" as well. And he lived to 16.5. I fully believe genetics played a hugh part in that. Diamond Nautral is available at many places. You might try it. It is darn sure cheaper than McD's.
karen
Thank you for your recommendation! I"ll check out Diamond.
No McDs isn't cheap but she only eats when she's with me. So if I don't get her food when I'm not at work so she can eat it, she refuses to eat. Often this means she eats what I do unless I pack her food for her. I know I know bad bad bad but sometimes I'm just not that organized. I swear I'm not crazy she really only eats in my presence and will literally starve herself.
I do have a question though, just curious not a smart elect I swear! I have a good friend who is allergic to dye's and specifically red dye she is most allergic to. She cannot have soda, cake icing, everything must be plain. I thought red dye was a normal ingredient in a lot of common foods?
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Location: Midwest | Frodo - 2015-05-15 7:37 AM I feed Purina One and my dogs look and feel great. Dog food propaganda is an industry in itself just like the auto industry where they try to convince you foreign made cars last longer and get better mileage. It's all balanced by whoever has the most money to put out phoney studies and charts to further their agenda.
I also feed Purina One.. used to feed Taste of the Wild but that became expensive quickly with three dogs in the house.
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-05-15 7:55 AM Frodo - 2015-05-15 7:37 AM I feed Purina One and my dogs look and feel great. Dog food propaganda is an industry in itself just like the auto industry where they try to convince you foreign made cars last longer and get better mileage. It's all balanced by whoever has the most money to put out phoney studies and charts to further their agenda.
I also feed Purina One.. used to feed Taste of the Wild but that became expensive quickly with three dogs in the house.
My dogs are doing well and no longer have the horrid gas that came with TOTW, js....
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Location: Central Texas | Anyone have any recommendations for what to feed giant breeds?? I have 3 Great Danes...all over 150lbs each. I'm always scared to change foods but I'm not happy with anything we have tried. I fed Diamond for awhile but quit when they had a recall. I tried Blue and they all had bad gas. One of the Danes is on Pheno so I have to be careful that she doesn't gain any more weight.. I swear she just looks at food and gains weight. One has super bad allergies (mostly skin rash type of stuff) One has had bloat surgery and I'm always scared of things that make them gassy and uncomfortable. I currently own a 350 dollar box of gas X due to a middle of the night trip to the ER because we thought she was bloating. Turns out she just had some seriously bad gas. Not sure what the heck to feed them now. |
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