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Location: Jacksonville Florida | So, I've been in a bit of a pickle and I really don't know where to turn anymore. First I'll tell a little back story.
I purchased a horse last winter, and we started doing very well as soon as I brought him home. We were winning the Youth 1D and Open 1D all year, and almost every show we ran at. We competed at NBHA shows and we ended up winning the year end points for the Youth 1D and Open 1D. I was so happy, especially since I had never even ran in the 1D before we got him.
For some reason at the end of the season, at one show he ran up the fence when we went to the first barrel. (We run to the left) He had never done that before, we were really consistent so it surprised me. We got a chiro to look at him, and he was way out of whack. So we adjusted him, and that fixed the problem for maybe one run, then he started doing it again.
We gave him the winter off, thinking that maybe we were just running him to long and a break would solve it, his back was maybe getting sore so we just figured he would get better over the winter. (we also found out that my saddle wasn't fitting him right so we got a new saddle for him.)
Well this year, he has been doing the same exact thing. He will do beautiful in slow work, and even at exhibition just when he is calm and collected we do beautiful. The problem is, once we seem to add speed he runs in like a freight train into the arena, and doesn't want to sit his butt down and turn.
We have had him go to a chiro, he had a massage, just got his teeth done, vet checked, brand new saddle, new pad. We have made it to the point where we are pretty sure it isn't that he is hurting. My question is... what do we do now? Slow work is obviously something we need to do, but I've never dealt with this problem before so I have no idea how to fix it. I think he isn't listening to me when we run in (I'm making sure I give him a pocket, sitting down, checking, everything I've ever done before when we were winning the 1D) and he will still blow past it.
This has really taken a toll on my confidence level, and especially since we are getting ready to go down to the NBHA Youth world Finals and I feel we have a really good shot at placing in the 1D. Now with this problem, I'm starting to not even wanting to go, in fear we will get down there and he will run the wall, and that is NOT the place where we need to be doing that.
Any tips on what drills I can do, or something that you have done to fix this problem is very helpful. I'm really up to try anything, I really just want to be having good clean and fast runs again!
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| I hate to sound like a broken record, but I would put him with a good trainer and see what they feel on him, it has always been the best money we spent. I also would not rule out pain, I had one that had a suspensory issue- never lame, did not have swelling, 3 very good vets good not make him take a bad step but at a run he would not work his left barrel. I had to keep taking him back till it was found. He was treated and allwed to heal and is now working great. Good luck.
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Location: Jacksonville Florida | Does it sound more like a pain issue?
Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has.
It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.)
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| BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 6:32 PM
Does it sound more like a pain issue?
Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has.
It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.)
Vet check said he was sound.
What did the vet do,
Did he flex all joints, coffin, pastern, knee, hock
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-05-13 7:22 PM
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I would put him with a good trainer and see what they feel on him, it has always been the best money we spent. I also would not rule out pain, I had one that had a suspensory issue- never lame, did not have swelling, 3 very good vets good not make him take a bad step but at a run he would not work his left barrel. I had to keep taking him back till it was found. He was treated and allwed to heal and is now working great. Good luck.
Great advice! A good trainer will be able to tell you if its a training problem or a lameness issue. My money is on lameness. Horses don't just up and change behavior on the pattern unless you ran the tune out of them. When horses have problems it's one of three things: pain- it's usually the problem and sometimes can cause thousands and many vets to find, training- the tune has been run out and they need to be reminded of how to work correctly, or a jockey error- something your doing in a run is causing the problem.
Your job is to figure out if it's pain, training, or jockey error. If you've tried everything you know to do go to a professional for a lesson or get a month tune up for your horse. A good trainer will be able to tell you what the problem is and how you should proceed fixing it. My money is pain that you haven't found the cause of yet.
Btw mentally sound/sane is a training issue. It's your job to keep them liking their job. If you only run run run them your going to have problems. Exhibitioning has its place keeping one calm cool relaxed and broke.
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| BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 6:32 PM Does it sound more like a pain issue? Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has. It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.) Vet check said he was sound.
My horse worked his right turns great, it was only his left - that told me it was a physical issue and not mental because he would work his right turn beautifully. They had to ultra sound his legs to find it, it did not show through physical examination. It sounds like you have a nice horse, I would be back at the vet. |
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Location: Jacksonville Florida | rodeomom3 - 2015-05-13 6:43 PM
BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 6:32 PM Does it sound more like a pain issue? Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has. It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.) Vet check said he was sound.
My horse worked his right turns great, it was only his left - that told me it was a physical issue and not mental because he would work his right turn beautifully. They had to ultra sound his legs to find it, it did not show through physical examination. It sounds like you have a nice horse, I would be back at the vet.
We didn't have an ultrasound done on his legs, so that would probably be the next step it sounds like.
We are trying to do everything for the poor guy to make sure he is okay and it's not a behavior issue (Or a rider issue). If only they could talk and just tell us what that matter was!
Thank you for your thoughts and input, we will probably reschedule the vet back out to do ultrasounds to see if that rules out anything. |
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| I have had this happen with several horses over the years. It always involved a pain issue. It could be hocks,back neck, stomach or what ever but it always came down to pain. |
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| jbhoot - 2015-05-13 6:54 PM
I have had this happen with several horses over the years. It always involved a pain issue. It could be hocks,back neck, stomach or what ever but it always came down to pain.
Me too. I'd get to a really good lameness vet, and consider blocking, xraying, bone scan, ultrasound.
Since he's such a nice horse, do you have insurance on him? Major medical? Maintaining horses at a high level, or even just getting the right diagnosis, can get expensive quickly. This deters a lot of people from digging deeper and finding the issue. |
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Location: Phoenix | Sounds just like mine. To a T. Perfect slow work, running off in arena not listening, blowing by first....
I'd get a vet, maybe a different one, and dig deeper. X-rays of knees, hocks, fetlocks, ultraSounds...you might as well.
I ended up just not barrel racing on mine because he was a jam up breakaway horse and was performing perfectly fine with that so I just cut my losses on the barrel racing aspect.
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Location: Utah | How good is your chiro? Sounds like a horse I have. He was great in slow work but when you added speed he seemed to panic and not want to sit and turn. Being completely naive about relating it to pain, I chalked it up to him just being blown up, quit running him and used him as a trail horse. I waited a long time to ever really investigate it. Decided to get him checked out last summer and the chiropractor found that he has a rotated pelvis and to sit and turn at a high rate is physically very hard for him to do. It's fixable with adjustments but since he has been that way for so long (atleast 8+ years), it would be a lot of sessions to get it to stay put. So he's still a trail horse, though he could have been much more! Shoulda coulda
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| Out of the blue, my horse started running up the fence. I took him to three vets before I convinced the last one that he had EPM. Treated him for EPM and he quit. That is certainly an option. |
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Location: North Dakota | Did they x-ray his back? Just something else to think about. |
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Try the trainer first or the following if no resolution.
I suggest that he may benefit from a scan using
nuclear scintigraphy for the whole body or invest in standing MRI to at least look carefully at the legs as best you can . See where he lights up on the nuclear tracer scan or MRI imaging.
A friend of mine had a heck of a time trying to solve a back issue with a dressage horse until her team of vets sent her to WSU Vet school and they did NS and found inflammation deep within the sacral iliac joint. The good horse vets she worked with simply said they could not find the problem as it was too deep to palpate or see with thermographic imaging and hard to get a needle into to treat.
He seems to be anticipating a jab of pain the way you describe it, maybe from a muscle twinge or small injury to the back or leg/ligament tendons just used in that one instance at the first barrel. Maybe this will really help your vet understand what is going on. If the horse seems all clear , well of course the trainer option is great too. Maybe the rainer first then the more costly scan but it solved a back problem the horse had which seemed to only show in competition when she put more pressure on the dressage movements she was doing. He seemed fine doing lower level stuff and regular fun riding.
She would lay him off , he seemed ok, bring him back and as soon as he worked hard he had a weird back issue. After the scan The recommendation was to layhim off for a year and really let the issue heal up.
Your horse may have pulled soemthing like a ligament or tendon, and that may take 9 months to a year of layoff with turn out to heal up. 6 months may not be enough to truly heal it. I speak from a screw up I caused with my own horse and a tendon/
My friend and her vets were going crazy because they thought he looked great after a few months off but always reverted back when put to work. The vets said they simply could not see or even easily inject the joint because it was so deep. She showed me the scans and it was pretty neat to see the areas that lit up with the scan. There was a lot of inmflammation deep within the sacral iliac joint.
Maybe contact a state university vet school and ask if they can do what WSU did?
Maybe try the trainer first as this was not super cheap, but the cost of a horse doing nothing for two years was huge as well. THis horse is going well so has the talent . He has already proved that so he is worth looking at I think. We have standing MIR here now but it is only for the lower legs I think , but maybe that would work for him if that seems to be his issues. The problem sounds so vague I would light him up and see where inflammation is occurring and start with that, like my friend did, unless your vet has a better idea.
I thought it was a good ethical thing for her vets to say they simply did not have the tools to solve the problem and referred her to WSU.
By the way, she did finally mention this to the people she bought the horse from and they said "oh yeah he did flip over doing some jumping just before we sold him to you but we thought he recovered after a few months off and looked great when we exercised him before we sold him tp you and your vet check showed ok ". It was not them being deceitful, it was just how he looked , sound at low work levels when being shown for sale some months after his accident. He looked ok.
A Sherlock Holmes deal.
Just a suggestion.
Have you tried practicing with him running on enough bute to handle major pain with a vets guidance?
Maybe have a girlfriend video tape him and see if you can pick out a moment when he flinches a bit or changes his look or some indication you touch him differently for some reason like saddle fit or leaning differently. hand position etc.
Not an expert but very interested in these problems.
Good luck,
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Location: Central Texas | BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 6:32 PM
Does it sound more like a pain issue?
Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has.
It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.)
Vet check said he was sound.
Yes it can be pain related. My geldiing had navicular issues on his right front only, he eventually started crow hopping around that barrel but had absolutely no issues with his 2nd and 3rd left hand turns. |
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| It does sound like a pain issue. I would first get a second opinion on a different vet and completely explain everything to him. I would make sure this vet is legit. Not sure where you are located so I can't suggest one. Chiro would be the same as vet. Try a different one because this is not working. Plus if he has been out of alignment and adjusted back in I am sure he is still sore. Do religious chiro since you said he was out really bad. Also, give him some time to figure out that he is not sore after that. It may take some time but if he is going into the run thinking this turn is going to hurt even if it doesn't anymore he will run up the fence. Another thought is to try blood work on him make sure everything is right there. Scoped for ulcers and/or bleeding would be another option.
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Location: Deep South | I would absolutely bet my life savings that this horse is hurting somewhere.
Don't go to just your local vet.
Find a reputable equine lameness vet. Spend the money, haul the distance, do it right the first time and it WILL save you money in the long run. |
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| BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 7:47 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-05-13 6:43 PM BarrelRacer_99 - 2015-05-13 6:32 PM Does it sound more like a pain issue? Like I said above, he started doing it out of no where, we were always very consistent. I know horses are good at not showing pain, but the only thing that makes me doubt it being pain is he turns his other too barrels perfectly, like he always has. It honestly feels like he is just running in the arena like a freight train, and he's not listening or responding and turning it. (I could be wrong, this is just what it feels like.) Vet check said he was sound. My horse worked his right turns great, it was only his left - that told me it was a physical issue and not mental because he would work his right turn beautifully. They had to ultra sound his legs to find it, it did not show through physical examination. It sounds like you have a nice horse, I would be back at the vet. We didn't have an ultrasound done on his legs, so that would probably be the next step it sounds like. We are trying to do everything for the poor guy to make sure he is okay and it's not a behavior issue (Or a rider issue ). If only they could talk and just tell us what that matter was! Thank you for your thoughts and input, we will probably reschedule the vet back out to do ultrasounds to see if that rules out anything.
You will be wasting money if you do this. Go to an expert lameness vet I dunno where you are located but go to the best you can afford...even if you need to haul 3 or 4 hours. It will be worth it to get your horse fixed will it not?
I don't mean to pick on you but i'm so tired of people that will pay 10k or 20K for a horse and won't spend 2-3k to get it fixed.
You need a place that can flex (on concrete), block, and flex again. They need to be able to take good clear multiple views of x-rays, ultrasounds, and even possibly an MRI. I know they are pricey. Also, some vets find a lameness locator helpful at picking out primary and secondary problems.
Having a farm call vet out to your house is most likely a waste of money that could be better spent getting a diagnoses with real clinical and diagnostic evidence. |
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Location: Conroe, TX 77304 | Stifles, when they work and then start going up the fence to the 1st barrel it is stifles. |
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Location: Kansas | That sounds like my blaze face sorrel Clifford. He was winning rodeos last summer, then fell at a jackpot (panacked and I didn't think he had hurt anything), and ran down the fence 3 rodeos in a row despite slow work in between them and varying pocket sizes/first barrel approaches. This was an on & off thing for a few months because we couldn't find any soreness. He'd win a jackpot, then the next week go down the fence. No real rhyme or reason to it. DROVE ME CRAZY.
Finally in February I got fed up and spent an afternoon at the vet digging until we found that his hocks were slightly sore and the vet was fairly confident he had a stifle issue. We injected hocks, then I came back the next week when a second vet was there to get both sets of eyes on him. Determined it was a stifle problem, injected it, and went back to slow working him the next week. I did literally nothing but slow work for a couple weeks on the pattern, and he came back to turning the first barrel. For several runs. Then he decided he could just go blowing in there and not turn the first part of the time.
I got fed up with that after two runs in a row being taken for a ride, and decided to switch him back to the right and hope that would get us over the mental block from the old soreness. He did one exhibition at a race to the right, then cut a leg and was out of the lineup for a couple weekends so I didn't get to actually enter him until a month after that exhibition. He won a small local jackpot last week, then pulled a 2D check at a super tough one last night despite our timing being bad on the first barrel both runs. Best of alll, he is going in the gate and alley calmly and waiting for my cue to take off instead of just being a hot mess back there.
With all that said, I would suggest you go back to the vet, find whatever is sore because odds are something is if he had been doing so well previously, then bring him back slowly and consider switching to the right for a run or two at least to get over that mental hump. I know a lot of people don't like to switch a horse, but I pattern mine both ways and so switching back & forth is no big deal to me. |
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Location: USA | He's hurting somewhere.... This was my gelding last summer. Took him to a couple different vets.. took him to the best lameness vet around our area. He couldn't anything. This went on all summer. I run to the right and he would go down the fence with me if I added any speed to it. I could lope all day long and he would turn the first... but he never got in the ground when he did. Tried switching directions and he would duck off in front of the second barrel. FINALLY he popped a splint on the hind left leg and it was growing. So took him back to the vet and this time he was slightly off... was never lame in any of his previous exams. We did an ultra sound and the vet couldn't see behind his splint. I have insurance on him so we decided to have an MRI done so he could see exactly what was behind the splint. Got the MRI..... Not only was my horse lame on the left leg... he had several bone chips (OCD) on his right hind fetlock.... So we finally found our problem. He had surgery done on both hind legs last fall and I am back to running him. No more going down the fence. My horse didn't show any lameness... he never refused going in the arena to work... with speed he wouldn't turn the barrel. Took all summer to find it but we did. So I wouldn't rule out pain... even if the vets say he is sound. Another thing you can try just to see if it is pain would be to bute him a couple days before a race and on race day. If he turns and doesn't go down the fence you know it's pain. That would help rule things out. I don't suggest to keep running him on bute only to rule out if it's pain.. don't want to get flamed for that statement.
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| Just a note that bute won't mask or help all pain issues so even if you bute him he could still be hurting enough to not want to work. Bute did not help my guy at all. |
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| Mine started doing this, my story is almost identical to yours, spent over $1,000 with MULTIPLE vets, injecting about every joint he had over a 6 month period, still continued to do it. Finally, found out he was a bleeder, treated him, gave him 2 months off, brought him back slow and on lasix, I have never had the issue again. I agree with everyone else, something is wrong, don't quit until you find it....good luck!!! |
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| I have a friend who had the exact same issue with her good horse - she'd run into the first barrel and 8 times out of ten, her mare would run up the fence. When she didn't do it, she typically won the 1D. Turns out, the tree in her saddle was broken, and when she went in at speed, the broken tree was hurting her horse's back. May not be the case here, but maybe something to try!
Good Luck!
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Location: California | I had a horse that was the exact same...turns out it was his stifles. Never took a lame step in his life and acted completely normal until we ran to the first barrel. If I could manage to get him around the 1st, his second 2 barrels were perfect.
Also, check to see if he is bleeding. If a horse is bleeding, they will panic most of the time and if there isn't blood coming out of their nose, you wouldn't even know.
I would also treat him for ulcers. And make sure your bit isn't pinching or stabbing into the side of his face when you pick him up for the first barrel. |
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| Lots of great advice here. I love coming to this board for that very reason. Is there anyway you can post videos? One of him working and one of him not? That might help somone to see something. |
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| I agree with most everybody else here- it's a pain issue. He could have had an old suspensory injury when you bought him, which was maybe why he runs to the left now, (just a guess, whoever had him before probably figured he'd have less of a chance re-injuring it if he took just one left turn instead of two). Anyway, he's either re-injured an old injury (my first guess) or created a new one (my second guess). I'd have a vet look specifically at his left hind suspensory- just a thought. Keep us updated and good luck with it!
eta: I'm guessing suspensories because the vet has already ruled out anything that could be found on X-Rays or basic lameness evaluations. You might have to go for a nuke scan if the ultrasound can't find anything. Sucks I know- 
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Location: Texas | My horse with kissing spine did this. Have vet xray his back. It's the best $50 you will spend. Unfortunately by the time I got it diagnosed and did surgery it turned into a habit. After surgery I switched him left and have never looked back. Good luck. |
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| Do you have a video? That may help with what is going on with the run. Also, as everyone else has said, rule out pain as being an issue. Seeking the help of a good trainer may also be very helpful. I cannot count the number of times that I have seen someone purchase a horse and go from the 4D to the 1D to only go back to the 4D or worse again on that same horse. 99.9% of the time it is a rider/horsemanship issue. The horse could put up with it for a little while, but it eventually catches up and starts causing big problems. People don't often want to admit they are the problem, but it is rarely the horse that is the problem IMO. Even the greatest riders out there are constantly trying to improve their horsemanship and communication with their horse. (Sherry has ridden with Clinton Anderson, Fallon said she went and rode with a cow horse or cutting trainer). After you rule out pain, I would work on horsemanship to fix the problem. |
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| Pretty much I guess you've figured out the common consensus is that your horse is hurting somewhere. Prob shouldn't try to do any more runs or training on him until you find out why- let us know what you find out though! |
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| trickster j - 2015-05-14 3:43 PM Pretty much I guess you've figured out the common consensus is that your horse is hurting somewhere. Prob shouldn't try to do any more runs or training on him until you find out why- let us know what you find out though!
Ditto, you can create a mental problem that could be tough to get over. My gelding's issue was his suspensory. In the process of trying to figure out his issue, vet would try something and tell me go make a run and see if it worked- at a run was the only time he would not work his left. I had chips taken out of a rear ankle thinking that was the issue- out for 6 months, came back good for a few months then same issue. Finally tore his suspensory, vet siad it was a progressive injury and what had been bothering him all along. Three very good vets could not find it, that is how tough they can be to diagnose. He was out a year but healed beautifully. He can go either direction but now is leary if you send him to the left first, which I prefer because his right turns are gorgeous and automatic and I want 2 of those. It has taken a long time to get him confident again to the left. |
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Location: Kansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-05-14 4:18 PM trickster j - 2015-05-14 3:43 PM Pretty much I guess you've figured out the common consensus is that your horse is hurting somewhere. Prob shouldn't try to do any more runs or training on him until you find out why- let us know what you find out though! Ditto, you can create a mental problem that could be tough to get over. My gelding's issue was his suspensory. In the process of trying to figure out his issue, vet would try something and tell me go make a run and see if it worked- at a run was the only time he would not work his left. I had chips taken out of a rear ankle thinking that was the issue- out for 6 months, came back good for a few months then same issue. Finally tore his suspensory, vet siad it was a progressive injury and what had been bothering him all along. Three very good vets could not find it, that is how tough they can be to diagnose. He was out a year but healed beautifully. He can go either direction but now is leary if you send him to the left first, which I prefer because his right turns are gorgeous and automatic and I want 2 of those. It has taken a long time to get him confident again to the left.
Oh boy isn't that the truth!!
It took us a while to figure out Clifford's problem and since he's a nervous horse to begin with, it didn't take long before he was getting pretty bad at the alley....mainly just trying to take off before we were lined up. After switching him to the right, I think I'm getting past it. He was an angel Wednesday night and I hope that is a sign of things to come. |
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