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Location: USA | How many of you do this when turning the barrel?? |
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Location: IL | Dreamingofcans - 2015-05-13 8:55 PM How many of you do this when turning the barrel??
I do but I trained my mare to really come around hard when I put weight in my outside stirrup. So I generally will wait til we are 3/4s of the way through the turn before I will put weight in my outside stirrup. |
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Location: Montana | On purpose or on accident??? LOL. Whenever I make a turn, I put my weight in the outside stirrup, but I'm not entirely certain I do it on purpose, that is just the way I ride, because I do similarly when just loping or trotting circles. But as I understand you want your weight in your outside stirrup... |
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Location: NC | I am trying to learn to do better about this since that's how the trainer taught my mare to go into a lope. |
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Location: Southern Oregon | It's a super fine line IMO....putting weight in the stirrup. I prefer the wording, "stepping over" I see ALOT of riders really throw their weight to that outside. Good way to hit the ground. I ride with my entire leg, so stepping over instead of throwing my weight to the outside seems to be more efficient for me. Reminds me to pick up that shoulder. |
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Location: USA | Anyone else? What's the best way to go about doing this?? |
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Location: NC | bump |
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| cowgirl_3207 - 2015-05-14 12:13 AM
It's a super fine line IMO....putting weight in the stirrup. I prefer the wording, "stepping over" I see ALOT of riders really throw their weight to that outside. Good way to hit the ground. I ride with my entire leg, so stepping over instead of throwing my weight to the outside seems to be more efficient for me. Reminds me to pick up that shoulder.
I agree.
Some ppl throw their weight and throw their horse off balance or cause their horse to fade and get them in the habit of laying out. This sometimes can get your horse doing a number of different things: turning out of order, slinging his booty, flattening out on the backside, and bowing off. Also your laying them out and they are more likely to get injuries this way or fall with you.
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| Shift your weight in your hips, that in turn will gently put weight in the outside stirrup. You should (in theory) then be able to "close" the circle with your outside leg guiding that horse around the barrel. Move your leg back a tick to really encourage a hip to step up and under the horse - which in turn if done correctly - will then lead to the shoulder being up more.
Quiet riding leads to smooth turns and smooth runs that then become fast runs. |
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| I do and i turn my hips to make them come back in and out of the turn harder. also so that i don't lean into the barrel if I am looking at it as this causes young horses to start shouldering. |
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Location: North Dakota | Based on science (physics), you absolutely want your weight to the outside = centripetal force and acceleration!
However, I agree with the others in that you don't want to "throw" your weight to the outside. It should be a smooth and gradual weight shift. Think of if you were a car making a tight turn. You can stay consistent if you guide the car smoothly through the turn. If you try to "jerk" the wheel as you are making the turn, you'll almost have the hit the brakes to keep yourself steady.
You want your weight to the outside .... yet you want your weight centered and well-balanced. If that makes any sense at all!
So if you have the tendency to lean while you turn, that forces your weight to go into the inside stirrup. If you keep your shoulders upright and straight, that is going to allow you to have a little more weight in that outside stirrup and your outside butt bone.
I've learned a lot about where your weight is in the saddle, actually, by taking some English lessons and riding my horse English once a week. That was one thing that really "dawned" on me. Put a little more weight into your outside seat bone when you are doing a circle, and your horse naturally will make the circle smaller. So as you are coming into that barrel turn, you slowly move your weight to the outside seatbone and the outside foot (not all of it, of course) and that should enable your horse to snap around the barrel, and power out.
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| Watch Lance Graves videos. He's a master at this.
Also, in addition to "Stepping out" going into the barrel, you "Step in" at the middle of the barrel on the back side to shift your weight to encourage a faster turn |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Tammy Key Fischer did a Winning Runs video years ago, she talks about doing this and doing it correctly in her video. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I was always taught to keep my weight centered on the horse. I've had some very tight turners that if you shifted your weight to the outside, they would turn too tight and drag over the barrel. I think Sharon Camarillo explains what you should do in the turn the best. It's not so much of a weight shift as it is a position shift. She says on the backside, to scissor your legs and turn and look to the next barrel, while still keeping your weight centered on the horse. That's the best explanation I've seen....I personally don't want my weight more on one side than the other, unless I'm training and going slow and trying to emphasize something. I think your runs are much smoother and faster if you just stay centered, use your legs more than your hands, and stay out of their way. Watch Sherry Cervi and you'll see what I mean. She is a master. |
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Location: MD | sounds like you're trying to ride on the outside vs centered. good way to throw your horse off balance pretty quick IMO. |
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| Crowned Image - 2015-05-15 1:23 PM
sounds like you're trying to ride on the outside vs centered. good way to throw your horse off balance pretty quick IMO.
I have to agree! Riding to the outside can cause a whole list of unwanted issues including soundness and balance problems.
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Location: Benton City, WA | Nateracer - 2015-05-15 7:23 AM Watch Lance Graves videos. He's a master at this.
Also, in addition to "Stepping out" going into the barrel, you "Step in" at the middle of the barrel on the back side to shift your weight to encourage a faster turn
Agree, check out LG, this is where I learned the technique. I have learned so much from Lance, and would really encourage anyone to check out his methods of training a barrel horse. It involves getting your horse "weight broke" and training them to use their body this way, its very natural for them. In an actual run, no you will not see my body move to the outside or inside, its just how you weight your stirrup. |
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| Nateracer - 2015-05-15 9:23 AM Watch Lance Graves videos. He's a master at this.
Also, in addition to "Stepping out" going into the barrel, you "Step in" at the middle of the barrel on the back side to shift your weight to encourage a faster turn Maybe if I could view the video in slow motion, I would see what you are describing. I can't see it. If anything, I see a slight shift to the inside not the outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DCj0x_FJI
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Location: Benton City, WA | sodapop - 2015-05-16 9:46 PM Nateracer - 2015-05-15 9:23 AM Watch Lance Graves videos. He's a master at this.
Also, in addition to "Stepping out" going into the barrel, you "Step in" at the middle of the barrel on the back side to shift your weight to encourage a faster turn Maybe if I could view the video in slow motion, I would see what you are describing. I can't see it. If anything, I see a slight shift to the inside not the outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DCj0x_FJI
I think she meant watch his training videos, not just him making runs... He explains it in detail, and visually its much more exaggerated in the slow work, not at a run. Hope that helps  |
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| sodapop - 2015-05-16 11:46 PM
Nateracer - 2015-05-15 9:23 AM Watch Lance Graves videos. He's a master at this.
Also, in addition to "Stepping out" going into the barrel, you "Step in" at the middle of the barrel on the back side to shift your weight to encourage a faster turn Maybe if I could view the video in slow motion, I would see what you are describing. I can't see it. If anything, I see a slight shift to the inside not the outside.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DCj0x_FJI
Watch Lance closely ... he is not shifting any weight to the outside with his outside leg in the air and kicking around the turns ... once he gets off the barrel he clamps his outside leg to the horse to stop the turn to turn the speed up to the next barrel ... coming off 3rd barrel he is all flying legs and elbows asking for speed ... if he rode quieter his horse would be faster ... as it is in this run .. horse is concentrating on keeping his balance and trying to run as hard as it can with all the action going on up in the saddle ...
Lance does what Cervi does as Diane pointed out above .. he rides to the first barrel two handed with a good starting point to the barrel out from the barrel ... and very quickly changes to riding two handed which squares up your shoulders (centers) himself and his horse up before rating the barrel and does the same identical thing running to 2nd..and 3rd barrel. .. Tthe switch to riding two handed is the key to keeping your horses feet up under himself around the barrel .. .... if you want to watch Cervi to compare the two videos ... choose the youtube video labeled .. world record set at NFR.. AND WATCH THEIR HANDS .. and how they reach up to shorten the inside rein to just lead/bump the horse's mouth in the turns ... no NECK REINING.. outside rein especially on Stringray is used loosely straight up in the air to hold her off the barrel ... when that pressure is released ... BAM ..she makes her hard turn...
If rider is off balance and not squared up coming into the barrels you might see them desperately making leg grabs with the outside leg but due to centrifugal force and the lost outside leg you are going to be leaning into the barrel and may bump your head ... lol .. or land on your head outside the turn .... so come in centered or balanced like the pro's do and stay centered by proper use of your hands ... and throw those old too short barrel reins away ...
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Location: Missouri | Lynn McKenzie teaches a stepping out method, weight in outside stirrup in turn. |
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| If you are running fast enough, you certainly don't have time to be moving from your outside stirrup and back to the inside one. All throwing your weight around does is slow down your horse. Also, if you have a hard turning horse, having your weight to the outside is a sure way to get lawn darted over their outside shoulder around a turn. I have found this method is also good at getting one to move out and then slice a barrel. Once they learn this method it's hell trying to get them to run up straight to the turn without wanting to step out away from it and then dive back to get to the barrel. Shifting your weight to the outside may be a "last resort" move to try and get one away from a barrel, but not one you want to use consistently. Staying centered and balanced, and having a horse run straight up into the turn is much faster. JMO. |
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