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Location: Kansas | arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-15 11:47 AM
arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit.
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 11:18 AM Opinions? I really want to try it!
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arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit.
I kind of agree
I third this.....KISS............m
I do agree. I just feed all stock sweet feed, it's more of a treat then anything. They all look amazing on just alfalfa/grass and pasture. I've been looking for a good grain, and all the people in our area are going crazy about Roasted to Perfection. I may just stick to what I have been feeding. |
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Location: Kansas | IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 1:00 PM mruggles - 2015-05-14 12:57 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-15 11:47 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. I kind of agree I third this.....KISS............m I do agree. I just feed all stock sweet feed, it's more of a treat then anything. They all look amazing on just alfalfa/grass and pasture. I've been looking for a good grain, and all the people in our area are going crazy about Roasted to Perfection. I may just stick to what I have been feeding.
honestly....if your horses look/feel great on alfalfa and pasture....stick with that and save yourself some $$$ |
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Location: Beggs, OK | To those of you who think that we are overthinking the whole "feed/nutrition" thing...
You can survive on just about anything, but it sure might not be good for you.
I wouldn't raise my kids on candy bars, so you can bet that I won't be giving my barrel horse all-stock sweet feed. Fat does not equal healthy. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-15 12:53 PMTo those of you who think that we are overthinking the whole "feed/nutrition" thing...
You can survive on just about anything, but it sure might not be good for you.
I wouldn't raise my kids on candy bars, so you can bet that I won't be giving my barrel horse all-stock sweet feed. Fat does not equal healthy. You took it a bit out of context.......m...nobody said or even implied to feed your horse crap..just sometimes the simplest way works just as well
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-14 1:03 PM IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 1:00 PM mruggles - 2015-05-14 12:57 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-15 11:47 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. I kind of agree I third this.....KISS............m I do agree. I just feed all stock sweet feed, it's more of a treat then anything. They all look amazing on just alfalfa/grass and pasture. I've been looking for a good grain, and all the people in our area are going crazy about Roasted to Perfection. I may just stick to what I have been feeding.
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Location: Beggs, OK | mruggles - 2015-05-14 1:59 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-15 12:53 PMTo those of you who think that we are overthinking the whole "feed/nutrition" thing...
You can survive on just about anything, but it sure might not be good for you.
I wouldn't raise my kids on candy bars, so you can bet that I won't be giving my barrel horse all-stock sweet feed. Fat does not equal healthy. You took it a bit out of context.......m...nobody said or even implied to feed your horse crap..just sometimes the simplest way works just as well
Quite possibly so... I'm a little sensitive on this subject at the moment, because I've been told the same thing for the last several months. Now that I've made the changes I know that I was right. I hate seeing people make the same mistakes I did. We are all trying to do what's right for our horses and Arion is a bit of a pot stirrer. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rodeomom3 - 2015-05-14 1:59 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-14 1:03 PM IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 1:00 PM mruggles - 2015-05-14 12:57 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-15 11:47 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. I kind of agree I third this.....KISS............m I do agree. I just feed all stock sweet feed, it's more of a treat then anything. They all look amazing on just alfalfa/grass and pasture. I've been looking for a good grain, and all the people in our area are going crazy about Roasted to Perfection. I may just stick to what I have been feeding.
Soy has a great amino acid profile. It also is high in plant based estrogens. In moderation, I have never had a problem with it, but I can see where feeding too much would cause problems. I used to feed a ration balancer that the main ingredient was whole roasted soybeans along with rice bran, both locally sourced. My horses looked and performed great for years on that program. |
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Location: North Dakota | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-14 2:02 PM mruggles - 2015-05-14 1:59 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-15 12:53 PMTo those of you who think that we are overthinking the whole "feed/nutrition" thing...
You can survive on just about anything, but it sure might not be good for you.
I wouldn't raise my kids on candy bars, so you can bet that I won't be giving my barrel horse all-stock sweet feed. Fat does not equal healthy. You took it a bit out of context.......m...nobody said or even implied to feed your horse crap..just sometimes the simplest way works just as well
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| A Very Versatile Feed
By Madeline Robinson
A new type of roasted horse feed is making an outstanding presence in the horse industry. This feed is known to be very versatile and is called Roasted to Perfection (RTP). Champions in the disciplines of racing, western pleasure, barrel racing and various other equine events have excelled with this feed.
Along with being great for performance horses, it can also be fed straight out of the bag to pregnant mares, foals and senior horses with missing teeth, alleviating the need to have several different feeds for a variety of horses in the barn. Every horse in the barn can thrive on this feed.
The components of RTP are simple, but effective; they consist of roasted milo, roasted soybeans and roasted oats, along with a soft pellet containing all of the necessary vitamins and minerals for a nutritionally balanced feed. Horses will not have any problems chewing and digesting this feed.
Several important features built into RTP are fiber enzymes to improve utilization of hay and forage, flaxseed (omega-3 source), yeast extract for immune support as well as a source of glucosamine, mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract for natural antioxidants. In many cases, horses prefer RTP over their old feed, which helps finicky horses finish their serving of feed.
“It’s the roasting of the grain that is probably the most unique property of Roasted to Perfection,” said Gary Asche, Director of Nutrition at Form-A-Feed, Inc. “By roasting the grain it reduces some of the chance of contamination from mold, while also improving the digestibility and energy of the milo and oats resulting in less starch ending up in the hind gut, the cecum and large intestine.”
Asche further explained, “It is very important that most of the remaining starch in the diet is absorbed in the small intestine. If too much starch enters the hind gut it can cause horses to go off feed and even colic, due to sudden changes in hind gut fermentation.”
The specialized roasting of milo makes RTP really unique. The heat process causes the milo to pop, similar to making popcorn. The hard outer shell of the small milo seed is broken as the roasting pops the milo which greatly increases the particle size of the milo. This large particle size may help reduce the amount of gastric acid secreted in the stomach compared to horses consuming finely ground grains. Less gastric acid may possibly result in fewer occurrences of stomach ulcers.
Also, when the hard outer shell is broke, less feed is passing through the horse and into the manure undigested. Due to the increased absorption of the nutrients, optimal digestibility can be obtained and the volume fed is reduced. In an independent lab analysis conducted by Dairyland Laboratories Incorporated, the overall digestibility of RTP ingredients tests at 90 to 91 percent.
Asche mentions that roasted milo becomes an incredibly efficient energy source for horses. The roasting process increases the surface area of the grain so digestive enzymes have better access to the nutritional proportion of the grain. At the same time, roasting gelatinizes the starches increasing their digestibly and palatability.
RTP starts with cleaned, heavy oats and then proceeds with roasting and crimping for optimal digestion and absorption of nutrients. The soybeans are roasted whole and cut/rolled in half before being mixed and bagged. The advantage of using soybeans is the protein content, as well as the high oil that is natural in the beans. Soybean oil has 2.25 times more energy in it than that of carbohydrates and proteins, making a much more concentrated, yet safe to consume, energy source.
By using roasted whole soybeans, only a small addition of soybean oil is added to the feed to increase the fat content, this drastically reduces the amount of molasses incorporated into the feed. RTP is dedicated to having a horse feed with a minimal sugar content. Tests performed by independent labs have concluded the sugar content of RTP is at five percent.
Mold growth reduces feed value and when horses refuse to eat for no apparent reason, the grain could have a moldy or mildew smell that humans cannot detect. Not to mention, mold can also cause severe medical problems for horses that can lead to colic, or potentially death. Roasting additionally has an advantage in producing a dry product that can be stored without deterioration due to moisture. Overall, roasting improves the shelf life and safety of RTP.
For molds to grow, moisture or humidity is necessary. The recommended maximum moisture level for unroasted grain is 14.5 percent. In another Dairyland’s Lab Incorporated analysis, the lab determined the moisture level of RTP to be a little over nine percent.
The volume of a two-pound coffee can filled with RTP weighs about two pounds, whereas the same coffee can filled with a pelleted feed weighs about five pounds. When feeding horses two of the two-pound coffee cans a day (4 pounds total), a 40-pound bag of RTP will last almost 10 days, while a 50-pound bag of a pelleted feed will last only five days (at 10 pounds a day). With owners feedback reporting, they are feeding between one-half to one-third less of RTP than other traditional feed products.
Check out RTP’s website at RoastedToPerfection.com to find the closest dealer or to become a dealer yourself. RTP is striving to obtain distributors and dealers throughout the United States to lessen freight costs to customers. Currently RTP dealers are located in Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
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| Roasted To Perfection Horse Feed
Roasted To Perfection's uniqueness is evident
the first time you open a bag, look,
feel, and smell the feed.
Roasted To Perfection is nutritionally balanced,
it is a fixed ration, the same formula
the same ingredients,
batch after batch.
“Roasted to Perfection” started as an answer to some of the
mold and mildew problems facing horse owners.
Other benefits quickly became apparent.
The greatest benefit of roasting is to control mold or mildew growth on the grain from harvest. High roasting temperatures kill mold and mildew spores before the grain is mixed with Vitamins, Minerals and bagged.
Mold growth reduces feed value. When the horse refuses to eat for no apparent reason, the grain could have
a moldy or mildew smell that we cannot detect.
Roasting also has an advantage in speed of processing and produces a dry product that can be stored without deterioration due to moisture. Mold germinates at temperatures as low as 45°F, with most rapid growth at 75° to 90°F. Mold requires humidity or moisture for germination, therefore, an upper limit of 14.5% moisture is recommended for stored corn or Milo. Other grains should maintain moisture levels less than 13%.
Roasted grain has moisture levels at 10% or less.
Roasting increases product safety and shelf life.
A Mycotoxin is a highly toxic by-product of mold growth in feed and on raw grain. Mycotoxins are generated from the secondary metabolic processes which occur naturally in a variety of molds. Prolonged cloudy, humid weather encourages production of the fusarium-based toxins.
The second major benefit is increased digestion.
Roasted grain is easy for any age horse to chew and digest, from foals to seniors with missing teeth. A horse is a grazing animal with a small stomach, the food travels from the stomach to the intestine and cecum relatively fast. If the site of digestion takes place in the stomach, it is easier for the horse to process and utilize the grain, vitamins and minerals. Changing the site of absorption also means a more balanced energy level for the horse.
By Roasting, the hard outer shell is removed from the digestive equation. This reduces the amount of gastric acid needed to break down the food. Less gastric acid means the occurrence of stomach ulcers and body soreness can be greatly reduced. Less grain also decreases the chance of grain-overload founder. With the hard outer shell removed, less feed is passing through the horse and into the manure undigested. Optimal digestibility also means the volume of grain fed can be reduced due to the increased absorption of the nutrients.
This is an all around safer way to feed your horse.
When roasted, Milo becomes an incredibly efficient source of energy for horses. By roasting the kernel, the hard outer shell is removed which allows easier and more efficient digestion. After being roasted the Milo kernel looks like popcorn. This process increases the surface area of the grain so digestive enzymes have better access to the nutritional portions of the grain. At the same time, roasting gelatinizes the starches, increasing their digestibility.
Roasted To Perfection uses heavy, roasted, crimped oats for optimal digestion and absorption of nutrients.
We use only cleaned oats for feed quality, and to reduce fire hazards in the roaster.
The Soybeans are roasted whole and cut in half before being mixed and bagged. The oil stays in the bean so the animal has access to the oil naturally. By adding additional Soybean oil, the amount of molasses used is greatly reduced. Soybean oil has 2.25 times more energy than that of carbohydrates and proteins, making
a much more concentrated, yet safe energy source. Horses seem to love the scent and taste of Roasted Soybeans, along with a superb energy source, it helps finicky horses eat well and allows them to meet
their nutritional demands.
This makes Roasted To Perfection an extremely palatable feed.
Flax is one of the richest sources of Omega 3, Alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) of any plant. Omega-3 fatty acids can enhance the horses overall health. Omega 3, Alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), is a member of the group of essential fatty acids that cannot be produced within the body and must be acquired through diet. Roasted To Perfection’s uniqueness is evident in its use of mixing whole Flax Seeds with the Vitamins and Minerals, and producing a small pellet.
The basis of formulating a ration for any animal is to provide the nutrients they need to maintain and perform. Without testing your forage, there is no way to know if your animal is getting too much or too little. Forages can vary considerably from year to year, even if it comes from the same field. Appearances can also be deceiving; pretty hay may not always be the best.
Testing will give you a much better view of how good your forage really is.
A balanced diet promotes a healthy, long lived,
content horse that will be up to the task
it is asked to perform.
Please visit
www.RoastedToPerfection.com
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RoastedToPerfectionHorseFeed@gmail.com
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| UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-05-14 12:57 PM IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 11:18 AM Opinions? I really want to try it! I know a bunch of girls in Utah used to feed it, not sure if they still are. Last I heard they all loved it.
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Location: Arkansas | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-14 1:53 PM
To those of you who think that we are overthinking the whole "feed/nutrition" thing...
You can survive on just about anything, but it sure might not be good for you.
I wouldn't raise my kids on candy bars, so you can bet that I won't be giving my barrel horse all-stock sweet feed. Fat does not equal healthy.
Because of the time, effort, and research you have put into the feed issues going on right now I read all your posts with interest and respect. Keep up the good work |
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Location: Here | arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit.
Nope. We are simply getting educated and tired of having poisons snuck into the food supply
Glad to see some more alternatives showing up. Not all horses can thrive on just pasture and alfalfa. Remember not all pastures are created equal. Not all horses have pasture access |
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Location: North Dakota | SG. - 2015-05-16 7:29 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. Nope. We are simply getting educated and tired of having poisons snuck into the food supply
Glad to see some more alternatives showing up. Not all horses can thrive on just pasture and alfalfa. Remember not all pastures are created equal. Not all horses have pasture access
This is true! As much as it sucks, my horse doesn't have access to pasture. It's either dry lot or get beaten to a bloody pulp in the pasture. He gets plenty of hay but just grass hay and the alfalfa don't keep him looking good. |
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| SG. - 2015-05-16 7:29 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. Nope. We are simply getting educated and tired of having poisons snuck into the food supply
Glad to see some more alternatives showing up. Not all horses can thrive on just pasture and alfalfa. Remember not all pastures are created equal. Not all horses have pasture access
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Roasted To Perfection is actually one of the LOWEST NSC on the market for a feed that is using REAL grain for the ingredients. Independent labs test at 42% The above information is from The Kentucky Equine Research.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | over 45 - 2015-05-16 9:13 AM
Roasted To Perfection is actually one of the LOWEST NSC on the market for a feed that is using REAL grain for the ingredients. Independent labs test at 42% The above information is from The Kentucky Equine Research.
Roasted to Perfection is 42% starch? You think that's low? I beg to differ. |
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| Considering what other feed companies put in low starch feed, when using REAL grains, not Processed Grain Bi Products, Yes, RTP is lower starch. You can send a sample of your feed and have it tested for starch, and then you should call the feed company and have them tell you what is "actually" in the batch you are feeding. There are 38 different ingredients that can and are interchanged everytime a batch is mixed. You may have a starch content of 30 one batch and 65 the next, depending on what ingredients are in that batch.
When you open a bag of Roasted To Perfection Horse Feed, this is what you see, in EVERY bag.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SG. - 2015-05-16 7:29 AM arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit. Nope. We are simply getting educated and tired of having poisons snuck into the food supply
Glad to see some more alternatives showing up. Not all horses can thrive on just pasture and alfalfa. Remember not all pastures are created equal. Not all horses have pasture access
I wish we had pastures where we live. This year is an exception because of the rain but in most years we look like the Sahara dessert. My husband has cut the grass 10 times already this year and last year he cut it twice..LOL |
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Location: North Dakota | over 45 - 2015-05-17 2:49 PM Considering what other feed companies put in low starch feed, when using REAL grains, not Processed Grain Bi Products, Yes, RTP is lower starch. You can send a sample of your feed and have it tested for starch, and then you should call the feed company and have them tell you what is "actually" in the batch you are feeding. There are 38 different ingredients that can and are interchanged everytime a batch is mixed. You may have a starch content of 30 one batch and 65 the next, depending on what ingredients are in that batch.
When you open a bag of Roasted To Perfection Horse Feed, this is what you see, in EVERY bag.
"Lower" that is the key word. NOT low starch but lower when compared to other high starch feeds. That still does not make it a good choice for a horse that needs to be on an actual LOW starch diet. NSC levels in a performance horses entire diet should be around 32-36%. I personally try to keep my feed under 20%. |
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| 42% NSC is way too high for anything I would ever feed. Horses don't need sugar. We have a mill mix ours and keep NSC under 15%. Horses all look fantastic and we know exactly what's in it and that they're getting exactly what they need. Costs less than $30/100lb bag too. |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | I personally LOVE this feed, I was feeding my sr horse on it and he looked GREAT, I had to switch him off of it though when he was no longer eating hay/grass. I switched him to a complete feed made by Triple Crown. All my horses love RTP!!! |
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Location: Florida.. | watchpeppydoc - 2015-05-18 11:42 AM I personally LOVE this feed, I was feeding my sr horse on it and he looked GREAT, I had to switch him off of it though when he was no longer eating hay/grass. I switched him to a complete feed made by Triple Crown. All my horses love RTP!!!
Looking great and healthy internally are to differant things.. one can be fat and shiney and be unhealthy.. NSC is to high! |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | I love it, I know many do not because it has high NCG? but its a natural feed so its not as bad as some, I cant rmemeber exactly what I was told by RTP about it. I used to feed my senior horse on it until he couldnt chew grass or hay anymore and now have him on Triple Crown Complete. RTP is made in MN as well. Cutter was 27 here and was on RTP. This was the best he looked from the time I bought him back at the age of 25.
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Location: wolverton,mn | Interesting how so many people love beet pulp but are totally against this feed,compare the facts. Interesting too how there are other threads of people mixing their own ingredients and loving the outcome with some of the same ingredients as to what is in this very clean and palatable feed. You can actually see what you are feeding. I like how it is roasted and free of the mold that so many other big name
companies had at the bottom of the bag.....yuck!
I have seen some awesome racehorses on this and Cassidy did pretty well at the N.F.R
I loved how my my babies and rodeo horse looked and felt on it.
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Location: wolverton,mn | Lyndsey if you want your horses on it again,I can set you up!
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Location: Florida.. | HotBear.. Beet Pulp has a NSC of 12 % how is that comaparable to 42%. besides we can have our opinions on this .. I brought this thread back up because someone asked about mixing triple crown complete and RTP .. with the NSC that high and Complete I dont think its a good idea BUT thats just my opinion..
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 11:57 AM My problem is that most of this "processed" feed I can't pronounce what is in it so how do I know what it is and if it is good for my horse. I have went to the Omnis cubes and oats, I can pronounce that.
Google the ingredients? That whole idea of don't eat things you can't pronounce isn't a good one. I know people who can't say spaghetti properly.  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 12:49 PM THAT was kinda harsh...............
How so? The premise is a poor one. Better to educate yourself than limit yourself with an arbitrary rule. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Sandok - 2016-01-18 3:22 PM So are you implying that I am uneducated?
you sort of implied it about yourself.
she just agreed with you |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-18 11:06 AM Sandok - 2016-01-18 12:49 PM THAT was kinda harsh............... How so? The premise is a poor one. Better to educate yourself than limit yourself with an arbitrary rule.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 2:22 PM So are you implying that I am uneducated?
Not implying anything. You're the one who said you couldn't pronounce the ingredients and didn't know what they are. I'm just saying in this day of instant info at your fingertips, there is no excuse for willful ignorance. If you don't know, look it up. Ask someone. Make an educated decision, not a fearful one. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 3:39 PM Now your saying I'm ignorant also?
You said you were. If the shoe fits, by all means lace that b!tch up and wear it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 11:57 AM I can't pronounce what is in it so how do I know what it is and if it is good for my horse.
Definition of ignorant. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant
"lacking in knowledge" |
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| I SAID I was ignorant?? I don't think so, I just said that some of the ingredients in a feed I couldn't pronounce, I in no way said I was ignorant. Besides I think this got a "little" off track and for the record I have no opinion on this feed one way or the other. It could be a very good feed I have just never heard of it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sandok - 2016-01-18 4:18 PM I SAID I was ignorant?? I don't think so, I just said that some of the ingredients in a feed I couldn't pronounce, I in no way said I was ignorant. Besides I think this got a "little" off track and for the record I have no opinion on this feed one way or the other. It could be a very good feed I have just never heard of it.
Ahem. Read what you just said and then read the definition I posted for you. You are welcome to relieve your ignorant state on this subject at any time, but it's your choice. |
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Location: West Texas | Sandok - 2016-01-18 4:48 PM
If that is what you think so be it. You must be having a "really" bad day.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | That's what you got out of my posts? I'm a big meany because you posted something stupid and I pointed out the error in your logic? I was actually trying to be nice about it until you kept being purposely obtuse. Or maybe ignorant WAS the wrong word... |
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| Three 4 Luck you are absolutely correct in all of the posts I have been following. There is no excuse to refuse to learn.
Anywho, thanks for keeping me entertained at work!:D |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Kry5ta1 - 2016-01-18 5:36 PM
Three 4 Luck you are absolutely correct in all of the posts I have been following. There is no excuse to refuse to learn.
Anywho, thanks for keeping me entertained at work!:D
LOL You're welcome. I was bored today, obviously. |
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Location: West Texas | Her logic wasn't stupid. It's more a figure of speech and a sound feeding principle, based on what it really means. Sandok does try to educate herself on feeds and feeding. Honestly, you weren't very kind at all. I am not looking for an argument, but I'll take up for her, no doubt. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Tdove - 2016-01-18 8:04 PM Her logic wasn't stupid. It's more a figure of speech and a sound feeding principle, based on what it really means. Sandok does try to educate herself on feeds and feeding. Honestly, you weren't very kind at all. I am not looking for an argument, but I'll take up for her, no doubt.
Well of course you are, she's your customer. There was absolutely no need for her to get butthurt over what I initially said, then she totally took my words the wrong way and really got upset. Not knowing about something makes you ignorant on that subject. Learning something new is educating yourself. Refusing to learn and then making decisions out of fear of the unknown is willful ignorance.
And I disagree, just because you can't pronounce something or don't know what it is doesn't make it bad. Hang on and I will make my point clearer. |
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Location: So Cal | Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-18 6:22 PM
Exhibit A. Composition of a strawberry
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Location: So Cal | Anyway, I agree I don't like the NSC%- but people forget you also need to take into account the amount you feed. What's the recommended feeding amount? That's how you actually how how MUCH starch/sugar you're feeding. It's not a big deal to give a handful of a sweet feed. And something like Triple Crown (even Complete at around 20%) doesn't seem super high percentage-wise until you realize you're supposed to be feeding "5 to 15 pounds per day". That adds up!
I don't have a strong opinion, I think it depends on your horse and how much you're working them. The most important thing is to actually be aware of what you're feeding and make an informed decision... and feed it for a reason, not just because "so and so barrel racer" feeds it... |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | IowaCanChaser - 2015-05-14 11:00 AM
mruggles - 2015-05-14 12:57 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-15 11:47 AM
arion - 2015-05-14 12:37 PM We might be over thinking the whole feed/nutrition thing a bit.
I kind of agree
I third this.....KISS............m
I do agree. I just feed all stock sweet feed, it's more of a treat then anything. They all look amazing on just alfalfa/grass and pasture. I've been looking for a good grain, and all the people in our area are going crazy about Roasted to Perfection. I may just stick to what I have been feeding.
That's what my horses are on, just hay, salt block, protein tub and grain when I catch them. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | turnnburnkota - 2016-01-19 2:20 PM Anyway, I agree I don't like the NSC%- but people forget you also need to take into account the amount you feed. What's the recommended feeding amount? That's how you actually how how MUCH starch/sugar you're feeding. It's not a big deal to give a handful of a sweet feed. And something like Triple Crown (even Complete at around 20%) doesn't seem super high percentage-wise until you realize you're supposed to be feeding "5 to 15 pounds per day". That adds up! I don't have a strong opinion, I think it depends on your horse and how much you're working them. The most important thing is to actually be aware of what you're feeding and make an informed decision... and feed it for a reason, not just because "so and so barrel racer" feeds it...
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