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Location: Bama | How much crap are you willing to put up with from a seller before you say nevermind and look elsewhere?
I found a broodmare I REALLY want and was ready to buy. I asked the seller if they had current coggins and health certificate to travel. They said no. They told me I should be fine; they've never been stopped.  I said I needed them. I asked weekly if they had gotten coggins and HC for a MONTH! I got excuse after excuse, "I'm going to get them this day", "couldn't make it but I took my other mare", and they even blamed the vet for messing up twice. They finally text the other day and said they had the coggins. I asked about the health certificate, and they said they've never needed one and that their vet who owns and races QHs said I didn't need one to cross state lines. They would get one for me if I paid another $100 for their time. I guess the month I've waited doesn't matter. I told them I was going to have to pass since that wasn't the price we agreed on, and it should have been done when coggins was drawn.
Was I wrong for that?
The more I think about, I just want to go pick her up and drive the extra 45min to haul her to current owners vet myself. She's priced very reasonable and honestly I would have paid the extra $100 for all paperwork if it would have been mentioned up front and been no hassle. What would you do? I realize it's probably too late to ask if I can still come get her. However, I'm willing to make a fool of myself and try if I was in the wrong. 
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Location: Oregon | I'm sure they'd still be happy to sell her to you. Go get her if you really want her. If they don't check you at the border and they really have a coggins I'd not worry about it. |
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| As a buyer I have always had to pay for health certificate and coggins, there have been a few times I had to pay the mileage for the people to take the horse to the vet
It all depends on how bad you want the horse |
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Location: Oregon | cheryl makofka - 2015-05-14 3:34 PM As a buyer I have always had to pay for health certificate and coggins, there have been a few times I had to pay the mileage for the people to take the horse to the vet It all depends on how bad you want the horse
This. Are you paying for the coggins/HC? |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | As a seller I would never ask the buyer to pay for a coggins or health. Most responsible horse owners should alreadu have that stuff in place when they put the horse up for sale....
I should add that I wait until I am 90% sure I have a buyer before I get the health so I know what destination to put on it. Most vets will write a health off the coggins if it hasn't been a long time since they have been in and it is only $20.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If she has a coggins I would go ahead and buy her if you really want her that bad, from what state to state are you hauling? All I have ever needed was a updated coggins, the only time I need a health certificate was at big shows, but here in Texas I dont think you even need health papers just coggins. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I'll pay for coggins, health and brand inspections but not without a non-refundable deposit on the horse, I've had too many people flake out and then I'm out the cash. If I'm selling something I pull the coggins when I start advertizing them. If you really want the horse and the brand inspection and coggins are done I'd just go pick it up during business hours and get the health certificate yourself. |
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| A health certificate requires a final destination. As a seller I always have current coggins on any horse I have for sale. I've sold many. I've never had to produce a health cert except the colt who went to Canada. If the mare has a current coggins and is going from her first home to your personal property with no stops between, you really shouldn't need a health cert. |
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Location: Bama | I told her I needed both the coggins and health certificate when we agreed on a price. She never mentioned anything about them being additional, and she never mentioned charging for the coggins she did get. I guess because she thinks I don't need a health certificate to cross state line 'per her vet' that I would have to pay for her time and fuel for the health certificate only. It just irritated me because she wouldn't have to take the time if she would have done as I asked to begin with. Had she said something about me paying for them in the beginning, I would have done so no questions asked. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-05-14 5:41 PM As a seller I would never ask the buyer to pay for a coggins or health. Most responsible horse owners should alreadu have that stuff in place when they put the horse up for sale....
This^^^^^ Its the sellers responsible to have all papers in order>>>> coggins, health if needed, and transfers for Reg. |
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Location: Bama | UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-05-14 5:41 PM
As a seller I would never ask the buyer to pay for a coggins or health. Most responsible horse owners should alreadu have that stuff in place when they put the horse up for sale....
That's my thought on it! I bought a horse end of March. I went to see him one Sunday, they updated everything that week, and I picked him up the following Sunday. Super smooth transaction. |
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Location: Bama | Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-14 5:48 PM
If she has a coggins I would go ahead and buy her if you really want her that bad, from what state to state are you hauling? All I have ever needed was a updated coggins, the only time I need a health certificate was at big shows, but here in Texas I dont think you even need health papers just coggins.
From Mississippi to Alabama |
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Location: Oregon | Well since she didn't bring it up you probably should have. Either way it's too late now. So if you really want her go get her. I wouldn't worry about the HC either. How far do you have to haul and through how many states? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | palominopaintlover - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-14 5:48 PM If she has a coggins I would go ahead and buy her if you really want her that bad, from what state to state are you hauling? All I have ever needed was a updated coggins, the only time I need a health certificate was at big shows, but here in Texas I dont think you even need health papers just coggins. From Mississippi to Alabama
Go get the mare, you know you want her and its going to eat at you if you dont, LOL |
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Location: Bama | crapshooter - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM
Well since she didn't bring it up you probably should have. Either way it's too late now. So if you really want her go get her. I wouldn't worry about the HC either. How far do you have to haul and through how many states?
It's only about a two hour haul, but I'm one of those...if it can happen it will happen people. Sooo I've never been one to break the rules either  Lol |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | palominopaintlover - 2015-05-14 5:55 PM crapshooter - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM Well since she didn't bring it up you probably should have. Either way it's too late now. So if you really want her go get her. I wouldn't worry about the HC either. How far do you have to haul and through how many states? It's only about a two hour haul, but I'm one of those...if it can happen it will happen people. Sooo I've never been one to break the rules either Lol
If you did get pulled over and they asked for HP and you dont have the papers just tell them that Roxie told you to do it...  |
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Location: Bama | Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-14 5:59 PM
palominopaintlover - 2015-05-14 5:55 PM crapshooter - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM Well since she didn't bring it up you probably should have. Either way it's too late now. So if you really want her go get her. I wouldn't worry about the HC either. How far do you have to haul and through how many states? It's only about a two hour haul, but I'm one of those...if it can happen it will happen people. Sooo I've never been one to break the rules either Lol
Hmmmm...wonder if that'll work.  LOL
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Location: Oregon | palominopaintlover - 2015-05-14 3:55 PM crapshooter - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM Well since she didn't bring it up you probably should have. Either way it's too late now. So if you really want her go get her. I wouldn't worry about the HC either. How far do you have to haul and through how many states? It's only about a two hour haul, but I'm one of those...if it can happen it will happen people. Sooo I've never been one to break the rules either Lol
Eh, I wouldn't worry about it. I've showed them 3 year old coggins certificates and they didn't know what they were looking at and waved me through. |
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Location: Bama | What are your thoughts on race bred to race bred for barrel horses? I know most are leaning toward working/cow lines x race lines. |
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Location: Oregon | Depends on the bloodlines. I'd stick with bloodlines that are proven producers of barrel horses. Once you've had a genetically engineered barrel racing horse you will never ride anything else. Reduce your odds of failure, increase your odds of success. |
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Location: Bama | My guy
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/easy+packin
Her
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dashin+lil+dasher
Bad cross or Good cross?
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Location: Oregon | Nice.
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Location: Bama | crapshooter - 2015-05-14 6:24 PM
Nice.
Cool! I'd hate to end up end up with a fire breathing monster. Lol.
Thanks for all the advice! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think you may have a good cross, now go get her... |
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Location: Oregon | Sure, now go get your mare and stop worrying. :) |
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| palominopaintlover - 2015-05-14 5:52 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-14 5:48 PM
If she has a coggins I would go ahead and buy her if you really want her that bad, from what state to state are you hauling? All I have ever needed was a updated coggins, the only time I need a health certificate was at big shows, but here in Texas I dont think you even need health papers just coggins.
From Mississippi to Alabama
Coggins is all you need for that movement
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Location: North MS | I did the reverse trip pretty much, but the vet that did the coggins had done a full checkup on the horse already at time of coggins (checked teeth, sheath, etc) so he was happy to write a health certificate the next week and I picked him up the next day. I was hauling with a smaller truck and avoided interstates, but I was never stopped. I've actually never seen a horse trailer pulled over in Mississippi so I guess that is a great thing. |
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Location: mi | If the vet just pulled the coggins he should not need to look at her again for a health cert. He should just write it up and her go pick it up in a car no horse needed. Or even mail it to her. It would be there in a day. She is making this WAY to hard. I am not sure why she would not have just done it in the first place. Mine charges $15. Way cheaper then a ticket.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I love Dashin Bye...love him....but, I have to tell you that you could get a fire breathing dragon. |
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Is this the mare you are trying to buy? I would say go get her now!
I LOVEEE the Somekindadash horses. My best barrel horse was sired by him. Would love to own another. If you don't mind me asking where did you find her? Seems these horses are becoming harder to come by.
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Location: Bama | You'll never believe it but I found her.....ummm THEM! on craigslist. Yep this girl has a 2.5month old filly by her side! They are now all MINE!!! Lol. I thought the filly was by Sawyer Wood as the ad stated "Sawyer Wood filly". But her sire is actually
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jr+creamwood
I have to get foal application etc.....more paperwork not done  I also need barn names for both and a reg name for the filly.
Couple PICS! (Sorry not the best but I was starting to rain again.)
Fuzzy butt!
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Location: Arkansas | Glad you went and got them-- nice pair of ponies!
Filly barn name--Penelope or Tipper (for her black tip ears)
Registered name--Frosty Lil Dash
SheWoodStreakByeYou (or "Bayou")
SheWoodDashByeYou (or "Bayou")
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transfer from the owner listed on the certificate??
and NOTHING ON THE BUCKSKIN BABY from stud owner of
JR CREAMWOOD?? If stallion report was filed last year on
JRC they should have a printed out breeders certificate which
also doubles as a registration certificate for the foal ...
stud owner gets these printouts last year if he filed a
stallion report. .. You can find out if a report was filed on the
.. now she's your mare .. by asking AQHA if a report was
filed in 2014 and for other years as well ...
she raced in 2007-2008-2009-2010 had 15 starts 0-0-1 earned $756 ..
her 3 dams never raced.
Now follow this closely .. on the allbreed pedigree for JR CREAMWOOD
... HIS SIRE spelled SAWYERWOOD is a blooper and has the
identical pedigree of the nice stallion SAWYER WOOD owned
by Rodney Ruzsa...... so .. ask AQHA if this JR CREAMWOOD
even exists and/or if he is by the real SAWYER WOOD or not ...
Check the produce of the mare and see what she has been
doing since 2010 ... and have vet do a uterus exam and see
if she was injured at birth with this baby etc etc ...
On paper she looks decently bred but her dam side of he
r pedigree history does not look good.. pull the lip up on
the mare and see if he has a racing tattoo and this
also be on her AQHA papers .. no need to read the whole
number .. just try to read the starting numbers or the 2-3
at the end to match them with papers ..
Craigslist owner made me wonder what their problem was
also .. and like you.. if I get no cooperation out of buyer
or seller they are dumped and I walk on by with no regrets .
.. buying or selling should be a good experience with each
party participating to their best abilities ...
if the paper trail above works out for the good .... go ahead
and DNA filly for parentage verification ... same price as
common kinfolks DNA ... because a new owner will wonder
who the heck is JR CREAMWOOD sired by SAWYERWOOD ... lol
If grandsire is SAWYER WOOD ... and you need help on
deleting SAWYERWOOD off of allbreed ... I will be glad to help you...
GOOD LUCK .. YOU ARE NOW IN THE HANDS OF AQHA .. lol
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Location: Bama | I did get her AQHA papers and transfer. However I do need to check her tattoo. Poor girl looks like she's been neglected as far as having contact with people. Her feet are HORRIBLE, she has a matted mane and tail, and she does not want to be messed with. I'll be working on that lol. My other three come running when they see me.
She has no babies listed under her name on AQHA. A "Cedar Creek Ranch Inc" from Richamond TX owned her from 2007-2013. So I'm not sure what she did from 2010-2013.
I contacted the stallion owner yesterday when I got home with them. He confirmed his stallion bred this mare. He is going to send me a copy of the breeders certificate.
I searched JR Creamwood on AQHA as well, and his sire is Sawyer Wood. Someone must have put it in wrong on allbreed. Can it be changed?
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Question about buying...UPDATE!
