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Location: NE TX | I haven't been to many NBHA's but I know most barrel races I go to they are 4D (1/2, 1/2, 1) or 5D (1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2) but the NBHA I just went to paid 1/2, 1/2, 1, 1/2. Has anyone else heard of this payout being mandatory for NBHA cause I hadn't and when I heard thre placings I went to ask and that's what they said their rules were. Never heard or seen that, am I crazy? |
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| Seems weird to me but im not saying its wrong, I have no idea. |
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Location: In my own little world | It might be "their" rule but it didn't follow nbha payout rule. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | bump! Come on you NBHA'rs, is it half, half,half, half for a 5D (commomn in TX),or half, half, whole, half, as was paid out tonight?? Anybody got a rule book?? I've never seen a 5D paid that way! Just trying to figure out if they do indeeed know what they ar doing... |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | ropenrun - 2015-05-15 11:52 PM It might be "their" rule but it didn't follow nbha payout rule.
well, I thought you had to follow NBHA rule book, not make up your own set of payout!!!! |
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Location: South Central Florida | o. Okay, it could be a semantic conversation...1/2, 1/2, 1 ... ?eaning the 1 is a full second off the fast time, not off the previous time.then back to 1/2. Im betting it is correst.but worded wrong. |
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Location: NE TX | The way it was payed out was 1D of course was winning time, in this case a 16.8 and then 1/2 sec off that won 2D which was a 17.3, then 1/2 sec off that won 3D which was a 17.8, then a whole second off that won the 4D which was an 18.8 then 1/2 sec off that won the 5D. I thought the whole point of a 5D was to not have it more equal so there's not a large gap between 3 & 4? Correct me if I'm wrong... |
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Location: California | Flamin10 - 2015-05-15 11:31 PM
The way it was payed out was 1D of course was winning time, in this case a 16.8 and then 1/2 sec off that won 2D which was a 17.3, then 1/2 sec off that won 3D which was a 17.8, then a whole second off that won the 4D which was an 18.8 then 1/2 sec off that won the 5D. I thought the whole point of a 5D was to not have it more equal so there's not a large gap between 3 & 4? Correct me if I'm wrong...
If a 16.80 won it the splits should be:
1D. 16.80
2D. 17.30
3D. 17.80
4D. 18.30
5D. 18.80 |
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Location: NC | Calibarrelrcr - 2015-05-16 2:44 AM
Flamin10 - 2015-05-15 11:31 PM
The way it was payed out was 1D of course was winning time, in this case a 16.8 and then 1/2 sec off that won 2D which was a 17.3, then 1/2 sec off that won 3D which was a 17.8, then a whole second off that won the 4D which was an 18.8 then 1/2 sec off that won the 5D. I thought the whole point of a 5D was to not have it more equal so there's not a large gap between 3 & 4? Correct me if I'm wrong...
If a 16.80 won it the splits should be:
1D. 16.80
2D. 17.30
3D. 17.80
4D. 18.30
5D. 18.80
^^ this is correct. The last division is still 2 seconds off the fast time. The 4D in a 5D is 1.5 seconds off the fast time. It splits up the 3D in a traditional 4D format (1/2, 1/2, 1) |
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Location: Always on call..... | I'm not sure I've ever been to a 5D NBHA before. The 4D splits are 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1. So the 4D is two seconds off, not 1.5 seconds like every where else.
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | I would say the show secretary didn't know the rules or was completely confused to the accurate payout format and therefore your payout was messed up. sorry |
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| Without seeing the actual list of the times run, we have no idea if the placings didn't just work out that way. People really should not be commenting without knowing all the factors. |
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Location: NE TX | That's what I thought, thank you. I was just checking to make sure I wasn't crazy. I ran an 18.4 and thought I would've placed in the 4D and when they called out the placings I was thoroughly confused.
Melaself: I did go look at their sheet and ask why it was done that way she said that was what the rules said and what they had to go by. I looked at the rules and didn't see anything about how D's were done so I figured I would ask BHW for help in clarifying if I was crazy or not. |
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Location: Kansas/Oklahoma | Contact NBHA main office in georgia |
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Location: In my own little world | You are correct. If you were a .4 you should have been in the 4D of a correctly figured 5D NBHA race. I would contact the District NBHA Director as your starting point. Or she should actually catch it when the results come in to her/him. Perhaps NBHA was not the prime sanctioning association? That would be another question to ask. If the Dist director is of no help, then contact your state director, then up the chain of command. |
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| Calibarrelrcr - 2015-05-16 1:44 AM
Flamin10 - 2015-05-15 11:31 PM
The way it was payed out was 1D of course was winning time, in this case a 16.8 and then 1/2 sec off that won 2D which was a 17.3, then 1/2 sec off that won 3D which was a 17.8, then a whole second off that won the 4D which was an 18.8 then 1/2 sec off that won the 5D. I thought the whole point of a 5D was to not have it more equal so there's not a large gap between 3 & 4? Correct me if I'm wrong...
If a 16.80 won it the splits should be:
1D. 16.80
2D. 17.30
3D. 17.80
4D. 18.30
5D. 18.80
Any chance this was a BRN4D run, as if I remember correctly this is how they ran their finals when I went there 10 yrs ago |
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Location: NE TX | ropenrun: It was an NBHA joint show between two NBHA districts so yes it was an NBHA SHOW. The director was the one that told me that the payout they used was the one they were supposed to use as per the rule book. I had never heard of any show being like that which is why I was asking for clarification since I couldn't get he rule book to come up on my phone.
Thank you for all of your input I WILL be calling Augusta in the morning for clarification. |
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Location: Missouri | I am not an NBHA member but I just went to thier website - member info- rules and in section C points earned they did payoff incorrect. Good luck, mistakes happen but if you questioned it then others did too! The secretary should have looked up the rule while you were there so you all could look together! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I just went to the NBHA site and I didn't see anywhere where they state the actual time splits for the 4 or 5-D. They did for the 3-D. It's pretty easy to figure out what the secretary did..she added a 1/2 second at the end instead of between the 3rd and 4th division. LOL NBHA needs to clarify in their rules. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | They paid it wrong......Section C of the NBHA rule book
3. Divisions are determined by time brackets. The fastest time in the class will set the time for payback and District 00 points. Whatever district or districts sanction the show their district members’ fastest time will set the time for their district points. If sanctioned by more than one district each district’s fastest time will set their time for their district points.
1st division - Fastest time in the class and those who place in this division.
2nd division - Fastest time in the class plus one-half second and those who place in this division.
3rd division - Fastest time in the class plus one second and those who place in this division.
4th division - Fastest time in the class plus one and one-half seconds and those who place in this division.
5th division - Fastest time in the class plus two seconds and those who place in this division. |
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| Well, I hope you didn't pay the extra money for awards ( which is a joke in itself) because that is going to be a major screw up too.
There is a group near me that puts on a barrel race once in awhile and they mess up the D's every time they have one. It is a crap shoot for sure. It infuriates me so I just don't go. That is what I suggest you do the same.
Edited by streakysox 2015-05-17 6:41 PM
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Location: North MS | I would LOVE to see tiebreaker rules in print for NBHA's. Those seem to change according to who they would benefit. I have been the 2nd place of about 6 different first place "ties" in the past 3 years. Not just with the NBHA of course. Just this year hurt they most because the horse I used to tie for 4D open winner passed away as a result of injuries obtained at the 3rd from last show of NBHA season. That just really hurt.
Our payouts for 5D have been entirely 1/2 second splits the entire way though. Seems like someone was definitely confused at your event. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2015-05-17 4:20 PM They paid it wrong......Section C of the NBHA rule book
3. Divisions are determined by time brackets. The fastest time in the class will set the time for payback and District 00 points. Whatever district or districts sanction the show their district members’ fastest time will set the time for their district points. If sanctioned by more than one district each district’s fastest time will set their time for their district points.
1st division - Fastest time in the class and those who place in this division.
2nd division - Fastest time in the class plus one-half second and those who place in this division.
3rd division - Fastest time in the class plus one second and those who place in this division.
4th division - Fastest time in the class plus one and one-half seconds and those who place in this division.
5th division - Fastest time in the class plus two seconds and those who place in this division.
I looked in payout as I didn't think of it being under earned points. |
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| bluerose2001 - 2015-05-17 9:40 PM
I would LOVE to see tiebreaker rules in print for NBHA's. Those seem to change according to who they would benefit. I have been the 2nd place of about 6 different first place "ties" in the past 3 years. Not just with the NBHA of course. Just this year hurt they most because the horse I used to tie for 4D open winner passed away as a result of injuries obtained at the 3rd from last show of NBHA season. That just really hurt.
Our payouts for 5D have been entirely 1/2 second splits the entire way though. Seems like someone was definitely confused at your event.
Every event should have rules made IN ADVANCE for ties. Making them up when a tie occurs is not far to any one. They do happen----plan ahead. |
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Location: NE TX | I'm not a member so this wasn't for points. The winner was also not a member. I think out of the 40-50 at the show out of the two sanctioned groups that were participating I only saw member ship numbers next to 4-6 names. It is a buckle series hosted by two local NBHA's I guess to try and boost their membership numbers. Even if it isn't for points, do the rules of how the D's are split still apply?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Flamin10 - 2015-05-18 12:10 AM I'm not a member so this wasn't for points. The winner was also not a member. I think out of the 40-50 at the show out of the two sanctioned groups that were participating I only saw member ship numbers next to 4-6 names. It is a buckle series hosted by two local NBHA's I guess to try and boost their membership numbers. Even if it isn't for points, do the rules of how the D's are split still apply?
IF it was not an "approved" NBHA show, they can pretty much do whatever they want. Look in the "Events" on the NBHA website to see if it was a sanctioned show. If it was sanctioned, call the national office.... but here's a "hint....they probably won't give a d*mn as long as they got their money from the show...... |
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| NJJ - 2015-05-18 7:57 AM
Flamin10 - 2015-05-18 12:10 AM I'm not a member so this wasn't for points. The winner was also not a member. I think out of the 40-50 at the show out of the two sanctioned groups that were participating I only saw member ship numbers next to 4-6 names. It is a buckle series hosted by two local NBHA's I guess to try and boost their membership numbers. Even if it isn't for points, do the rules of how the D's are split still apply?
IF it was not an "approved" NBHA show, they can pretty much do whatever they want. Look in the "Events" on the NBHA website to see if it was a sanctioned show. If it was sanctioned, call the national office.... but here's a "hint....they probably won't give a d*mn as long as they got their money from the show......
Actually, I think the directors can pretty well do what they want. NBHA rules say the you must enter before the first runner and I think that group does that but some of the directors we have had in the past let anyone enter any time. Another example is wearing a long sleeve shirt and hat is required but most directors do not make you wear them. |
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| NBHA is a dinosaur when it comes to barrel racing now. I have not gone to a race in my area in years that was NBHA. The payout never seem to add up and frankly the the people are rude and snappy that put the races on. And now I saw you have to pay for awards. I don't get that at all. Thought that was the whole point of show fees to help pay for awards. I guess you really don't win them if you pay for them |
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NBHA 5D paid 1/2, 1/2, 1, 1/2? Weird or right?