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Location: North Dakota | My horse and I both suffer from back pain. He gets injections, chiro work, massage, the Theraplate, anti-inflammatory feed through's, a BOT pad is on the way, and hopefully a nice PHT blanket too. Meanwhile, I continue to suffer. I also have bad knees. I'm in my 20's way to young to have knee pain! No doctor I've been to has any suggestions for my pain and can't find a cause. So for any of you that have chronic issues, what do you do? |
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Location: Here | I changed the way I ate. I did away with inflamatory foods. And my pain became manageable. I sleep in Copper Fabric and PHT Mags
I way over did Saturday unloading 800# of lime and working it into the runs. Then hubby and I unloaded a pallet of sod and put it out. Plus stripped stalls. I was give out and sore. I wrapped up and woke up Sunday and was ready to hit it again.
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Location: Here | Sugar and processed, grains, etc foods are the Worst thing for our bodies |
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Location: Here | Until you address the root of inflammation, throwing the kitchen sink at it isn't going to work. Goodness knows I have went threw lots of kitchen sinks until several board buddies got it through to me.
You have to have health gut. That is first and foremost. So you need to take the necessary steps to get a healthy gut. If your joints hurt, you need to look at footwear. Flip flops are the ruin our of feet. You need good supportive footwear. If you need to loose weight then do it. Yes I had every excuse in the book. But no more.
Cut the sugar. Cut processed foods and grain. BUY the book and study it It works.
Your horse is no different. I had some missing puzzles on my horses. Then I learned about the feed problems Changed feeds and my horses health improved. Yes I have some pretty crippled horses and they are maintained by our products and proper feed |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SG is right on. You are too young to be having so many pain problems. I would be looking at what you eat. She posted some good info and the book she posted probably has the answers to your problems. Now it's up to you to look into it as it seems your doctor doesn't have any answers for you. |
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Location: California | I suffer from Lyme Disease, so I can relate to chronic joint pain... & let me tell you; sugar and flour are my worst enemy!!! While I was taking meds, the doctors told me no sugar & no flour. I wanted to die but I felt so much better! Of course once I stopped taking meds, I started eating those types of food again & not only did I gain a bunch of weight, but it has brought back a lot of problems! I am so addicted to sugar it's ridiculous. As the doc described it, the sugar and flour will "feed the bugs" in my body. |
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Location: That part of Texas | What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
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Location: North Dakota | I do admit, I am overweight and have been my entire life. I've always watched what I ate and would lose anywhere from 10 to 50lbs but always gain it back eventually. I'm working on going completely off processed foods/added sugar foods. I also try to be active but I'm stuck in a desk job and my knees hurt so bad I can't do any sort of bending exercise without literally crying. |
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Location: North Dakota | Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:26 PM What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
I've had a few sets of x-rays, MRI, muscle injections, chiropractic, massage, physical therapy, the list goes on. Basically my back muscles are always extremely tight and sore and nothing helps. I've been battling it for 5 years now. I just spend every waking second in excruciating pain.
Oh and I was given muscle relaxers to take orally. My back still hurt like the dickens but I could hardly pick my arms up off my desk!
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Location: North Dakota | SG. - 2015-05-19 1:10 PM
Until you address the root of inflammation, throwing the kitchen sink at it isn't going to work. Goodness knows I have went threw lots of kitchen sinks until several board buddies got it through to me.
You have to have health gut. That is first and foremost. So you need to take the necessary steps to get a healthy gut. If your joints hurt, you need to look at footwear. Flip flops are the ruin our of feet. You need good supportive footwear. If you need to loose weight then do it. Yes I had every excuse in the book. But no more.
Cut the sugar. Cut processed foods and grain. BUY the book and study it It works.
Your horse is no different. I had some missing puzzles on my horses. Then I learned about the feed problems Changed feeds and my horses health improved. Yes I have some pretty crippled horses and they are maintained by our products and proper feed
Let's just say I know what goes into his body more than I do my own :) His issue is the fact he has Kissing Spine and I'm trying to manage that. |
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Location: That part of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-19 1:31 PM Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:26 PM What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
I've had a few sets of x-rays, MRI, muscle injections, chiropractic, massage, physical therapy, the list goes on. Basically my back muscles are always extremely tight and sore and nothing helps. I've been battling it for 5 years now. I just spend every waking second in excruciating pain. Oh and I was given muscle relaxers to take orally. My back still hurt like the dickens but I could hardly pick my arms up off my desk!
Ah, I'm sorry to hear that. I hate that nothing of that nature has helped, including injections and chiropractor stuff.
It's a little out in left field but have you considered talking to a personal trainer about building the corresponding muscles in your abs/stomach to those in your back? I wonder if muscle conditioning there might offset how tight your back area is. I know if one set of muscles is weak, the others sometimes tighten up too much to compensate. It might be worth looking into to see if it helps combat the problem.
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Location: The edge of no where | Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:45 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-19 1:31 PM Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:26 PM What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
I've had a few sets of x-rays, MRI, muscle injections, chiropractic, massage, physical therapy, the list goes on. Basically my back muscles are always extremely tight and sore and nothing helps. I've been battling it for 5 years now. I just spend every waking second in excruciating pain. Oh and I was given muscle relaxers to take orally. My back still hurt like the dickens but I could hardly pick my arms up off my desk!
It's a little out in left field but have you considered talking to a personal trainer about building the corresponding muscles in your abs/stomach to those in your back? I wonder if muscle conditioning there might offset how tight your back area is. I know if one set of muscles is weak, the others sometimes tighten up too much to compensate. It might be worth looking into to see if it helps combat the problem.
What does work for me is staying in shape. Walking is really good. I concentrate on having correct posture and walking a lot.
Your best bet = strict diet and work out with exercises targeted to help your core. Packing any extra weight will just add to the stress on your back and knees and it hurts more. The doctor I go to for SI injections periodically tells me the first and most important thing he has 90% of his patients do is lose weight. Cut the inflammatory foods. ETA - the doctor that tells me this is an orthopedic surgeon that I went to for a 3rd opinion before booking a surgery to have vertebraes fused last year. I'd been referred by another ortho guy and a neurosurgeon to have the back surgery because nothing was helping. It's not much fun, but I've learned that if I'm disciplined, then I can stay in good enough shape to minimize pain. I never was more than a size 8 and I'm 5'8.....but 15-20 lbs is tremendous in the amount of stress it puts on our joints.
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Location: Here | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-19 1:34 PM SG. - 2015-05-19 1:10 PM Until you address the root of inflammation, throwing the kitchen sink at it isn't going to work. Goodness knows I have went threw lots of kitchen sinks until several board buddies got it through to me.
You have to have health gut. That is first and foremost. So you need to take the necessary steps to get a healthy gut. If your joints hurt, you need to look at footwear. Flip flops are the ruin our of feet. You need good supportive footwear. If you need to loose weight then do it. Yes I had every excuse in the book. But no more.
Cut the sugar. Cut processed foods and grain. BUY the book and study it It works.
Your horse is no different. I had some missing puzzles on my horses. Then I learned about the feed problems Changed feeds and my horses health improved. Yes I have some pretty crippled horses and they are maintained by our products and proper feed Let's just say I know what goes into his body more than I do my own : ) His issue is the fact he has Kissing Spine and I'm trying to manage that.
I think we are all guilty of that. Like you I was a roller coaster weight. Now I have been the same weight for over a year. I also had terrible back pain. I have 2 syrinxs on my spine. But what I have learned is if my gut is inflammed my gut my back kills me.
Also knees. Well make sure you are not sitting with your knees bent and behind your thighs all day. Also TIGHT pants around the knees will pull on the knee cap making them hurt. Yes I know tight fitting jeans and tappered jeans are all the rage. But I am past fashion. My jeans have to be straight no curve in at the knee or I can't walk.
Do not push or pull yourself back and forth in a roll around chain with your feet. Strains the knees |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:45 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-19 1:31 PM Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:26 PM What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
I've had a few sets of x-rays, MRI, muscle injections, chiropractic, massage, physical therapy, the list goes on. Basically my back muscles are always extremely tight and sore and nothing helps. I've been battling it for 5 years now. I just spend every waking second in excruciating pain. Oh and I was given muscle relaxers to take orally. My back still hurt like the dickens but I could hardly pick my arms up off my desk!
It's a little out in left field but have you considered talking to a personal trainer about building the corresponding muscles in your abs/stomach to those in your back? I wonder if muscle conditioning there might offset how tight your back area is. I know if one set of muscles is weak, the others sometimes tighten up too much to compensate. It might be worth looking into to see if it helps combat the problem.
This.
After spending 5 months on bed rest last year I was having constant hip and tailbone pain as well as tingling, tightness, and sorness in my neck, shoulders and back.
I contacted a sports rehab facility that uses streching, chiropractics, strength training, and deep tissue massage. Once I got strong again my pain has been significantly reduced. I can tell when I need to focus on specific areas now and get back to work when I'm slacking on my personal fitness. I work at a desk job too....the key is to just stay busy when you get home. My secret to weightloss is that I just don't eat after I get home from work. We are going non-stop until bedtime. There is always something that needs to be done and it's all physical work.
Diet will reduce the inflammation in your body, but you have to get strong to reduce the pain that has come as a result. The rehab HURTS, but there's only one way to feel better. |
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Location: OH. IO | rachellyn80 - 2015-05-19 3:21 PM Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:45 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-19 1:31 PM Red Raider - 2015-05-19 1:26 PM What tests (like MRI or C-Scans) has your doctor done in regards to your back? Have they done just an in-office evaluation or have they really looked at the issue?
I'm asking because I was 22-23 when I started having bad back problems. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle because I started working out more and then it got worse. I went to a chiropractor for a year before I had my first bad episode of my back locking down. My regular doctor finally sent me off to get an MRI that showed bulging discs and major problems with my spine.
My back issues cause collateral pain in my knees. Until starting injections a month ago, I really thought I was going to have to have a knee replacement or surgery. After the injections blocked my back pain, I realized how interconnected they are because my knees don't hurt at all.
I've had a few sets of x-rays, MRI, muscle injections, chiropractic, massage, physical therapy, the list goes on. Basically my back muscles are always extremely tight and sore and nothing helps. I've been battling it for 5 years now. I just spend every waking second in excruciating pain. Oh and I was given muscle relaxers to take orally. My back still hurt like the dickens but I could hardly pick my arms up off my desk!
It's a little out in left field but have you considered talking to a personal trainer about building the corresponding muscles in your abs/stomach to those in your back? I wonder if muscle conditioning there might offset how tight your back area is. I know if one set of muscles is weak, the others sometimes tighten up too much to compensate. It might be worth looking into to see if it helps combat the problem.
After spending 5 months on bed rest last year I was having constant hip and tailbone pain as well as tingling, tightness, and sorness in my neck, shoulders and back.
I contacted a sports rehab facility that uses streching, chiropractics, strength training, and deep tissue massage. Once I got strong again my pain has been significantly reduced. I can tell when I need to focus on specific areas now and get back to work when I'm slacking on my personal fitness. I work at a desk job too....the key is to just stay busy when you get home. My secret to weightloss is that I just don't eat after I get home from work. We are going non-stop until bedtime. There is always something that needs to be done and it's all physical work.
Diet will reduce the inflammation in your body, but you have to get strong to reduce the pain that has come as a result. The rehab HURTS, but there's only one way to feel better.
All of this. I broke my back and neck in 2001. The WORST thing I can do now is sit. you have to move and get up from behind the desk. If I had a desk job i would have to retire. I keep busy,I have a VERY strenuous job, I GET UP AND MOVE. |
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| If you are in constant pain your body's inflammatory cells are in overdrive.
If you haven't had an MRI done lately I would get another and see what changes have occurred.
Inflammation in the joints can cause cartilage destruction, and bone spurs to form.
I had a herniated disc in my neck a year ago I had a MRI showing I had a bone spur on one side, surgery was last month the surgeon said I had bone spurs on both sides of the vertebrae growing into the brachial nerve.
I would ask your doc about joint injections, as I know where I live there is one surgeon who will inject HA before knee transplants.
I would also speak to your doc about lyrica, it is an antidepressant, but it blocks the neurons in the synapse so the pain neurons cannot make it to the brain.
Also look at physio, this was my relief, traction on your back, tens machine, and hot packs. Dry needling, I can't remember the technical name can help release the muscles with the help of the other.
As others have said diet and exercise. Since it hurts to move, try aqua aerobics less weight load on your joints due to the buoyancy of the water.
Speak to a nutritionist or dietician to help you get on the right track and offer you support |
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Location: Here | MS2011 - 2015-05-19 4:22 PM Drink lots of water.. it's your friend.
Exactly. And if you are drinking Pop. Stop |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SG. - 2015-05-19 4:37 PM MS2011 - 2015-05-19 4:22 PM Drink lots of water.. it's your friend. Exactly. And if you are drinking Pop. Stop
And the caffeine in coffee and tea cause inflammation also. |
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Location: North Dakota | Nevertooold - 2015-05-19 10:14 PM
SG. - 2015-05-19 4:37 PM MS2011 - 2015-05-19 4:22 PM Drink lots of water.. it's your friend. Exactly. And if you are drinking Pop. Stop
Don't say those words! I drink water almost exclusively but do love my morning cup of coffee. I used to drink energy drinks a LOT but I've almost completely eliminated them and pop. The only time I slip up is around 2-3 at work when I'm bored and sleepy. |
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Location: California | I have major muscle issues in my upper back, even ended upIin physical therapy for it all. If I didnt go to a chiro once a week I could barely function.
I eat as healthy as possible, stretch, am active and ice like my chiro tells me too. I added Thrive by Le-Vel and that helped me immensely! I in turn had energy and less pain so I joined a gym to help even more. |
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Location: Mississippi | It's funny how we all treat our horses for any little issue but seem to ignore our own problems. I don't have much advice but I definitely feel for you. I suffer from periodic sciatica and almost constant shoulder pain. I have been to physical therapy, chiro, massage and nothing has been much of a permanent fix. I worked a desk job for 10 years and the pain has gotten much better since I now work from home part time. Our bodies just weren't designed to sit hunched over a keyboard all day.
I was also diagnosed with an autonomic disorder and Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia (POTS) about a year ago which is something I had never heard of. One of my prescriptions along with meds was exercise. I have always HATED to exercise and even though I don't necessarily enjoy it now, it does seem to help reduce my overall pain.
I have not been very vigilent with watching what I eat but I know that would help. I take curcumine which is said to reduce inflammation although I can't really tell any difference since starting it. I would also suggest trying a TENS unit - I love mine and use it all the time on my shoulder muscles. Hope you get to feeling better!
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Location: Decatur, Texas | Have you tried a regular steriod injection? I rutpured a disc in March and had severe, and I mean severe, sciatic pain in my left leg as the debris was inflamming the nerve root. I tried PT, epidurals, pain medicine and nothing seemed to work. I could barely walk and was on bed rest, though even laying down could cause pain. I finally had a meltdown with the doctor and he gave me a regular steroid shot. I've been 28 days now completely pain free :)
Also, what about yoga? If it is just a tight muscle problem, have you tried it for the stretching benefits? |
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Location: Dubuque,IA | Do some research o tumeric and golden paste. There is a facebook group but it can help you tremendously along with a Healthy diet.
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Location: North Dakota | I had knee pain and shoulder pain and back pain from the time I turned 13 up until my 30's! I quit drinking sodas and anything with caffeine in it and started only drinking water. It solved about 80% of my pain!!! I stopped eating junk and sweets and processed foods also! I think some people just can't handle junk like others! I know I can't! |
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| I was in your same situation about 8 years ago. I had a desk job and have had knee surgery on both of my knees from basketball injuries. I was recommended massage by my physical therapist. I have been getting regular massage every other week since then. I realized really quick that this ended up being less expensive than all the doctor visits .. I go to a local massage envy (they are everywhere). I have a couple different therapist that I go to there. If you find one that does a lot of stretching, that really helps me. (I would also stretch on your own every morning)
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Location: North Dakota | Well I've been almost completely sugar and caffeine free since you guys recommended it on here. I had been researching it and wanting to get started, I just hadn't quite gotten there yet. I went out and bought a ton of healthy whole foods and the only things that have any sugar (that aren't straight fruit) is honey, natural salad dressing, and the darkest chocolate I could find (88%). I've been so good but did break down and have a mellow yellow today because I forgot my water bottle and was DYING and all we have is a pop machine. I haven't weighed myself but I can see/feel a bit of a difference. My knees also feel the best they've felt in a long time. They may get bad again with this bad weather coming up (they usually do) but so far so good! Hopefully it'll start working on my back soon. I've started getting the WORST headaches in the back of my skull from the tightness in my neck/back. |
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| Deep tissue massage has really helped me and my SIL. I have neck/shoulder pain and she has deep muscle pain from really tight over worked muscles. It was uncomfortable even a little painful but 4 days out and I have no pain. I did lift weights yesterday and sore but even that is different. Instead of knots of pain, the whole muscle is sore but nit painful. My neck isn't popping and pinching either. |
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Location: North Dakota | GLP - 2015-05-27 3:13 PM
Deep tissue massage has really helped me and my SIL. I have neck/shoulder pain and she has deep muscle pain from really tight over worked muscles. It was uncomfortable even a little painful but 4 days out and I have no pain. I did lift weights yesterday and sore but even that is different. Instead of knots of pain, the whole muscle is sore but nit painful. My neck isn't popping and pinching either.
Yeah the "I worked out hard" kind of soreness isn't bad. I don't mind that at all. Mine are deeply knotted and I'm just about salivating thinking about deep tissue massage lol. I was going for massages once a week, but that worked out to $200/month which was just too expensive. |
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The radiographs of my back look dreadful. This time last year, I was in constant agony. Last fall, I found Wheat Belly. This spring, I started Couch to 5k. Today I'm in the best shape of my life and still a ways to go. Guess what? My back doesn't hurt. At all, EXCEPT when I sit on the floor too long. I'm starting weight training tomorrow. I'm a lot further than I thought was possible, but it's taken most of a year.
You've got to stabilize your pelvis, and that is only possible with muscle tone. You've got to do something about this. Start with Wheat Belly. It will change your life. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have had a pedometer for a few months and get to 10,000 steps or more most days. It rained last night and my knees didn't hurt and usually weather changes will bring on more pain so that's a good sign. I think with more time and continuing to eat well and exercise as much as I can my back will start to improve. The fact that my horse has been unable to be ridden since last fall didn't help with the exercise either. Now that he's starting to improve hopefully I can start riding him soon and I've seen some yoga workouts targeted to riders which is awesome. |
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Location: In a happy place | SG. - 2015-05-19 1:10 PM Until you address the root of inflammation, throwing the kitchen sink at it isn't going to work. Goodness knows I have went threw lots of kitchen sinks until several board buddies got it through to me.
You have to have health gut. That is first and foremost. So you need to take the necessary steps to get a healthy gut. If your joints hurt, you need to look at footwear. Flip flops are the ruin our of feet. You need good supportive footwear. If you need to loose weight then do it. Yes I had every excuse in the book. But no more.
Cut the sugar. Cut processed foods and grain. BUY the book and study it It works.
Your horse is no different. I had some missing puzzles on my horses. Then I learned about the feed problems Changed feeds and my horses health improved. Yes I have some pretty crippled horses and they are maintained by our products and proper feed
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