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Location: TN | just wondering, how do people post horses for sale claiming they are something they are not. Ask $30,000+ for a horse, google it and it's a 3d horse. Maybe ran in the 1d at a local jackpot with 30 head in it? Do they really think you wouldn't do research before dishing out that kind of money? Just take their word for it. It's just unbelievable what the ads say and prices they ask. Don't mind paying for a real deal, but don't try to sell crap. If I'm going to pay $25,000+ for a horse, I don't want to see its consistently in the 3/4d. So tied of looking at counterfeit Ada. Vent over.
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Since we are venting.... Why would someone put N/A for a horses height? Do they really think that height doesn't matter? I'm 5'11" and won't even go look at one that is under 15.1. Why make me waste both of our time by not listing height? Also, I called on one recently that was listed as 15.2 and asked if she'd taken a tape to the horse. She hadn't but went out and did it... 15 hands on the nose. Height matters! Take a moment and measure your horse for sale.
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Location: Missouri | Cinchy girl - 2015-05-20 10:05 AM
It's kind of amazing, you go to a barrel race and typically less than 10% are in the 1D but half the horses for sale are 1D. Hummmm....?
Since we are venting.... Why would someone put N/A for a horses height? Do they really think that height doesn't matter? I'm 5'11" and won't even go look at one that is under 15.1. Why make me waste both of our time by not listing height? Also, I called on one recently that was listed as 15.2 and asked if she'd taken a tape to the horse. She hadn't but went out and did it... 15 hands on the nose. Height matters! Take a moment and measure your horse for sale.
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^this. I'm not shopping but follow a lot of for sale pages on Fb and I find it rather odd that SO many horses are listed as consistent 1d horses when we all know only about 10% of barrel horses fall in this category. Whatever happened to honesty??? |
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| Because horses are worth what you can get a sucker to pay for them LOL<---- Legit quote from an owner to someone who just bought his horse then they both just laughed and laughed as she finished writing out a 40k check and handing over another 40k in cash, so we wouldn't pay taxes it on (shhh shhh!) LOL
That person running that horse in 2/3d might have spent 50-70k on a bad sucker that they can't ride LOL
Most ppl outrageously price horses though I will agree.
Its buyer beware. You need to do your homework and be an FBI detective. Information is out there from social media from than ever and you can easily find out about anything.
ETA: I 100% agree that only about 10% of horses fall into that 1D consistent category.
1D horses are different depending on who you run against, where you are running, and the ground conditions that day but here are a little sample of prices:
1D local show horses 15-50k (these are 2D horses at a big show most of the time)
big show 1D horses 30-100k
1D ANYWHERE horses 100k and up
Also they should be priced according to how hard they are to ride for example a 50K horse is most likely not a point and smooch one hander to the second and third kind of horse, those 1D horses command a much higher price tag.
Bottom line is this: a good horse is hard to find....just like a good man
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Because it's the corporate and political mentallity today. And everybody else is getting this way. Nobody tells the truth.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | arion - 2015-05-20 10:38 AM BS Hauler - 2015-05-20 10:11 AM Because it's the corporate and political mentallity today. And everybody else is getting this way. Nobody tells the truth. wait,,,,,,,what?
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Location: Southern Oregon | Lately I have been shopping for prospects and a youth horse. I am about ready to pull my hair out. I watch videos, I can tell alot by a good video. One of my Biggest pet peeves is when there is a video of circle work or flat work and the people crop the video! Um I know why you cropped it, the horse more then likely doesnt pick up that lead well or a lope well. Especially since every video of the dang thing is cropped from a trot to a lope. Besides that if you are advertising a YOUTH horse I expect to see at least a video of a youth riding the horse. The height thing gets me too! I am 6'2" so that horse had better be 15.2 plus WITH OUT shoes on if I come out to look at it. Not 15 hands, but she "looks" bigger bull crap |
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Location: Missouri | I have to agree! Unfortunetly people won't even look at your horse now a days with out seeing that it is a 1-D horse. In all honesty...75% of the people don't need a 1-D horse! They need a 2D-3D horse and lessons on how to ride it. Most people are looking for the next big thing and don't want to put in the time and effort it takes to become the best. Ask any big rider, they didn't just go out and buy a bad a mama jama horse who won everything, they had been riding for years and years before "the one" came along. Coughing out 80K+ for a horse you probably can't even ride is a little ridiculous to you, and that horse. I see too many top notch horses out there with a jokey that should be riding a 30 year old horse on it's death bed.
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Location: Southern Oregon | mlh0972 - 2015-05-20 8:53 AM
I have to agree! Unfortunetly people won't even look at your horse now a days with out seeing that it is a 1-D horse. In all honesty...75% of the people don't need a 1-D horse! They need a 2D-3D horse and lessons on how to ride it. Most people are looking for the next big thing and don't want to put in the time and effort it takes to become the best. Ask any big rider, they didn't just go out and buy a bad a mama jama horse who won everything, they had been riding for years and years before "the one" came along. Coughing out 80K+ for a horse you probably can't even ride is a little ridiculous to you, and that horse. I see too many top notch horses out there with a jokey that should be riding a 30 year old horse on it's death bed.
Sorry for the brutal truth on all of this, but it's true and I am tired of 2D-3D horses being priced at 30-40K.
I think the reason people "wont" look at a horse that isnt listed at 1D is because alot of theses sellers want 8k for a 3D/4D barrel horse. Prices are all over the dang map and it is frustrating. That is why I buy PROSPECTS and not finished! |
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Location: NC | cowgirl_3207 - 2015-05-20 11:51 AM
Lately I have been shopping for prospects and a youth horse. I am about ready to pull my hair out. I watch videos, I can tell alot by a good video. One of my Biggest pet peeves is when there is a video of circle work or flat work and the people crop the video! Um I know why you cropped it, the horse more then likely doesnt pick up that lead well or a lope well. Especially since every video of the dang thing is cropped from a trot to a lope. Besides that if you are advertising a YOUTH horse I expect to see at least a video of a youth riding the horse. The height thing gets me too! I am 6'2" so that horse had better be 15.2 plus WITH OUT shoes on if I come out to look at it. Not 15 hands, but she "looks" bigger bull crap
Your lucky people actually have videos!! I have been horse shopping and you dont know how many people dont have videos and have an excuse why they dont. (there may be a legit reason but when im looking at a horse 22+ hr away i want to see a video before i make plans to come see/ride it!!)
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| GLP - 2015-05-20 12:06 PM
Just a thought, how much should a 2D horse bring if a true 1D horse is 50-80,000 or more?
True 1D horses are 1D anywhere and 1D anywhere commands a higher price tag than 80K, unless they are hard to ride or have problems.
True 1D anywhere horses are your VF Sporty by Design, RLJ High Intensity, Jetto Red, Latte, Tall Boy, Hot Shot, etc... It doesn't matter who is on their back they will clock in the 1D. Now problems, age, and how easy they are to ride all play a factor in how much someone is willing to pay. These are horses that will be 1D against the highest levels of competition (large rodeos and 1000 plus entry shows).
If you find a 1D anywhere horse with multiple stats for under 80K thats easy to ride and sound mortgage your house and buy that sucker! Or tell me and i will...
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| I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME...
But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa. |
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Location: TN | I don't mind paying if it is what they say it is. I know a true 1d horse cost. But why do they have to lie and waste your time. I Understand they want people to look also, but get real. I've had 1d horses, sold them and bought them, but don't call it what it's not. Too much information out there these days to lie about it. I'm just frustrated sorry.  |
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Location: Missouri | stayceem - 2015-05-20 12:04 PM
I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME...
But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa.
You and I are a lot alike. I used to want to win and didn't think I'd mind big quirks or a big attitude and then I had one who was a sneaky little PITA and was constantly looking for ways to outsmart me. Had all the talent in the world but I got SO sick of figuring him out and then he'd throw another wrench at me. I sold him and went back to riding my pokey consistent 3d4d mare and I have a lot more fun. It took the fun out of it. If I had big $$$ to spend I'd spend big $$$ on a well mannered 2dlocal/3dbig shows kid of horse and just enjoy myself . |
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Location: North Dakota | Cinchy girl - 2015-05-20 10:05 AM
It's kind of amazing, you go to a barrel race and typically less than 10% are in the 1D but half the horses for sale are 1D. Hummmm....?
Since we are venting.... Why would someone put N/A for a horses height? Do they really think that height doesn't matter? I'm 5'11" and won't even go look at one that is under 15.1. Why make me waste both of our time by not listing height? Also, I called on one recently that was listed as 15.2 and asked if she'd taken a tape to the horse. She hadn't but went out and did it... 15 hands on the nose. Height matters! Take a moment and measure your horse for sale.
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YES! And do it right! EVERY horse I've bought was measured incorrectly. One said 15.3 in the ad, and I didn't measure her but she couldn't have measured over 15.2h on her tip toes. Another gelding was advertised at 15.2 and was pleasantly surprised to find he was 15.3! I'm also 5'11" so it matters a LOT to me!
I don't think I really have a dog in this fight because I've never spent over $5k on a horse and I don't plan to ever spend $20k+ on a horse. My luck is just too bad for that. I don't need or desire a 1D horse. If it's broke, quiet, and sound, I can do the rest. I'd rather not fix someone else's neurotic crazyness again.
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | ~BINGO~ - 2015-05-20 9:07 AM
I read an ad the other day for a horse that was 15.8 hands...
Gotta love people :) I had a former Miss Rodeo Queen say something about her horse that was " 14.8 ". I didn't know what to do after... |
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| MOGirl07 - 2015-05-20 12:10 PM stayceem - 2015-05-20 12:04 PM I agree... the height thing also drives me bannanas. I dont understand prices. I personally wouldnt refer to a 2D/3D horse as "crap." There money spends just the same but they need to be priced accordingly. If I had the money and I had a kid... and I found a 2D/3D horse that was safe and consistent and sound... I would spend 20k on it. There are a lot of 1D horses, I wouldnt buy even if I had the money because frankly, winning the 1D is less important to me... I want a horse to ride and is well behaved. I know several that cannot be ridden, only ponied. To me, theyre not worth 5k to me... again TO ME... But yes the false advertising is annoying... But I think it is the buyers job to look into results. You may find out some interesting things one way or another. Maybe it only clocks indoors... or maybe only outdoors. Its a 1D indoor horse, 3D outdoor horse or vice versa. You and I are a lot alike. I used to want to win and didn't think I'd mind big quirks or a big attitude and then I had one who was a sneaky little PITA and was constantly looking for ways to outsmart me. Had all the talent in the world but I got SO sick of figuring him out and then he'd throw another wrench at me. I sold him and went back to riding my pokey consistent 3d4d mare and I have a lot more fun. It took the fun out of it. If I had big $$$ to spend I'd spend big $$$ on a well mannered 2dlocal/3dbig shows kid of horse and just enjoy myself .
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| QH<3er - 2015-05-20 2:51 PM
~BINGO~ - 2015-05-20 9:07 AM
I read an ad the other day for a horse that was 15.8 hands...
Gotta love people : ) I had a former Miss Rodeo Queen say something about her horse that was " 14.8 ". I didn't know what to do after...
Offer them eleventyfour dollars for it, makes as much sense. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | GLP - 2015-05-20 11:06 AM Just a thought, how much should a 2D horse bring if a true 1D horse is 50-80,000 or more?
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| Horse selling vent! On the other side of that is myself and my daughter being completely honest. We recently listed our 11 yr old mare, we've owned since she was 2. She is a 2/3 d horse running in north Texas where you have pro level riders and horses at everything. She is solid, no issues just send her and sit. Anyone can ride her. Solid and consistent and priced fairly. She is not designer bred and is a solid bs paint but we've only had one person try her. We have released all vet records to interested party and been completely honest. I see horses selling that aren't near as nice for the same $. It's very frustrating |
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Location: Duvall, WA | Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . |
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I find it hard to find a safe kids horse! So many people willing to lie and put a child in danger!
Go to speed events that kids ride in .. such as the gymkanakana?? thingys, rodeo grand entrys, parades and buy the horse from a kid that is ready to move up ...
This goes for the high powered horses too ... start watching your competitors at events ... and if you see one you like ... go stalk it for a few events and ask if it is for sale ... could be a pattern trainer that has several horses and this one is for sale .. start looking for people riding good horses and stop looking for horses ... looking at the one riding the horse should tell you what D they have been riding in ...
I have come home a bunch of times with an empty trailer and never made any effort to sell the horses ... opportunity knocked and I opened the door and took their money..
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Location: Montana | NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse.
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NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse.
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astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 10:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by:
Its both actually some are rodeo runs some are futurities or jackpots and the barrel racing report labels it as unofficial but we are talking about a standard pattern in general not one or the other. People should realize its different every night of a rodeo and can greatly vary day to day inside with who is dragging.
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No one could get their colts to stand up the day he ran that at the Silver Cup Derby. It was slick as ice and he loved it.
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Location: Montana | astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 9:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by:
That's very interesting! I was just stating what winning 1D times are around here usually on a standard. :) |
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Location: ARKANSAS | WOW!!! all these years i have been doing it wrong!!! When i buy a horse, which i usually buy young and train myself, or i have in the past. but as i have gotten older i look for something older and that is already broke and do not try to break them myself cause i am just no spring chicken anymore!! But in the years past when i would buy a young horse i kept a diary on each horse..if that horse had the hiccups i wrote it down...all his farrier work was listed if he lost a shoe or had problems holding shoes, etc, when his teeth was floated, when he was wormed, if he he was ever injured etc so that when or if he was ever sold i could give the new owner the diary and i would not have to try and remember every little detail....i also did this when i started their training, and how fast they learned etc...never once have i had ANYONE say hey you did not tell me anout this or that!!
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | As sad as it is, this is one of the reasons I went into the breeding aspect. I have spent a FORTUNE on horses that weren't what people said they were or after I got them home, there was some big underlying pain issue that didn't show up on vet check or x-rays. I got tired of it. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Now that is a grand idea! A diary that is a perfect way to gage how well a horse is coming along.Many breeders in England have done this for their thoroughbreds. NBHA gives a card to keep track of your times.With computer programs today, it would only take a few minutes to type it down. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | I hear Ya. I have been seriously looking for a 2-4 year old with very limited rides good conformation and papers. ....I drove 10+ hours to look a one a few weeks ago that when I got there was a body score of 3 and had pus uzzing out of a cut and they still wanted in the 2k range for him..... |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them. |
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| missroselee - 2015-05-25 10:22 PM I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them.
One man's trash is another man's treasure!
I willl straight walk up to ppl that can't get a horse in and ask how much. I will walk right up when they come out the gate after the sucker ducked and ask how much. You get some real funny looks but its best to ask when the owner is still mad. I've made good money vetting and then selling the horses after they are working good again. If I think it's a pain or training issue I can fix and I know the horse can run I'll gamble on them. Sometimes you get things that aren't fixable and the haft to cut your loses but usually I gave so lil the gamble doesn't hurt me much.
But your right most horses are for sale because the owner can't get along with them for some reason annnnnnd that reason is usually one that prevents their new owners from clicking with them as well. |
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Location: Midwest | I think some of the "D" issues come from those who only run locally.
Say a horse runs a second to a second and a half off (on average) at bigger shows. At our local shows, that do 1 second splits, he would be in the bottom of the 1D or top half of the 2D.
At a 4D, he would be in the 3D.
At a 5D, we'd be in the 3-4D, somtimes in the 5D.
This is all running 1-1.5 off. If the person only goes to shows with one second splits, having a 2D horse means 1-1.9 seconds off... and if they don't run anywhere else, they don't know any better.... or they are just lying. LOL
Research is your friend when buying a finished horse! |
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-05-26 12:04 PM missroselee - 2015-05-25 10:22 PM I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them. One man's trash is another man's treasure!
I willl straight walk up to ppl that can't get a horse in and ask how much. I will walk right up when they come out the gate after the sucker ducked and ask how much. You get some real funny looks but its best to ask when the owner is still mad. I've made good money vetting and then selling the horses after they are working good again. If I think it's a pain or training issue I can fix and I know the horse can run I'll gamble on them. Sometimes you get things that aren't fixable and the haft to cut your loses but usually I gave so lil the gamble doesn't hurt me much.
But your right most horses are for sale because the owner can't get along with them for some reason annnnnnd that reason is usually one that prevents their new owners from clicking with them as well.
My Dad used to do the same thing at barrel races. Ask how much, take them home, give them a different job (usually roping or working cattle), put back on the barrels, and resale.. If you caught them at the right time, you could usually get a good deal! |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Before people look for a TRUE 1D horse, they need to figure out if they are a TRUE 1D RIDER. Seen a lot of people think they can/say they handle a TRUE 1D horse, that cannot...even a little bit. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I can tell most of you are 4d riders, when you run the circuit in a rodeo they do not ask for your horses name nor do they care. I have been running rodeos for over 20 years and most of them horses are worth more than 30,000 . I have seen a couple on here that are rodeo horses that I have competed against that have done really good on the rodeo circuit that is worth its money. And if you will ask most rodeo girls they will tell you that thier horse will make a better run at a rodeo than at a 4d , the audience, the music it gets in their blood just like ours so we ride harder and so do they . So why you all are putting down the prices of these horses you might want to see which ones have been rodeod on and which ones haven't cause a good rodeo horse is worth its weight and their is a girl from kansas right now that has one heck of a rodeo horse for sell right now that has been there and has done that . If I was needing another one that would be the one I would be looking at I competed against that horse many of times in the WPRA . |
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Location: Florida | If I was looking for a rodeo horse, which I am not since I am retired, I would only look at horses and/or riders that I know. In 30 years of rodeo I have seen everything from blown to trash advertised as rodeo potential. Until you see how they like the crowd and the noise, you can't say that. My best horse did better in performance than slack, he loved the crowd. But, he would still win a jackpot. That's a true rodeo horse. A 1D horse may or may not make a good rodeo horse. The ground is inconsistent, the noise, the waiting tied to the trailer, the long drives and overnight tied to the trailer, that si what separates rodeo from the D's. |
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| I don't think anyone was putting down the prices of TRUE/REAL 1D and quality horses, just the people who sell horses that aren't what they say they are and for ridiculous prices. |
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Location: TN | blccwgl55 - 2015-05-28 7:23 AM I don't think anyone was putting down the prices of TRUE/REAL 1D and quality horses, just the people who sell horses that aren't what they say they are and for ridiculous prices.
Yes. That is what I was saying. It's not paying the price for one, but they are not 1D. |
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Location: East Texas | lol.... I guess that is why horse traders have the reputation they do. So is that just a given and you should know that the horses will be misrepresented and price inflated? That seems to be the consensus of those on here...you should just know. In my short time dealing with buying/selling horses, I have dealt with two horse traders and they both flat out lied about what they were selling. I have since bought from individuals (not traders) and everything has been as advertised. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I think the consensus is and will ALWAYS be......"Buyer Beware"........Do your homework and you probably won't be disappointed with the horse or the price that was asked. NOW....if you can't ride the horse, don't blame the seller........... |
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Location: East Texas | Well, if you like to word it as "buyer beware" then you believe most sellers are lying......well, that is just a sad statement of the world we live in where more seem to lie than are honest.
There is a difference between not being able to ride and lying about the horse you are selling.... Do not confuse the two. |
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