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Location: Four Corners Colorado | So I have listed my colt for sale, and I have had lots of Mexican people interested in him. They all race horses but none are on Equibase so I am assuming it is underground/match racing. I have ignored some of the inquries on my colt because I want him to go to a performance home or one that will send him to an offical track so he can get an AQHA record. Am I wrong? I have never dealt with this sort of thing.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Should I put No Match racers on my ad? I have him listed on here too. |
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| I don't know if that would make them lie to you about what they wanted him for. I would just keep ignoring them. |
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| I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!! |
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| equussynergy - 2015-05-21 8:16 AM
Should I put No Match racers on my ad? I have him listed on here too.
I wouldn't. If you say that they will just just lie about it. At least you know that they are probably match racers if you can research them. |
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Location: California | Is he cut? Majority of the time they won't buy geldings. I know this personally since my fiance is Mexican... no geldings, no grade horses. LOL
They are usually pretty easy to spot (match-racers).
Sellers should be able to ask buyers for videos of how they ride/work a horse. haha  |
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| I bought a broodmare that match racers had owned. They never bothered to register her babies. According to AQHA, six foals have been registered. Two belong to me. When I picked the mare up, the owner took me down the road to see her two year old that was owned by some match racers. The horse was extremely well taken care of. The mare that I bought obviously has had excellent care her entire life. A couple of the mares's babies have run on the track and do have records but that was really not what I looked at when I was looking for a broodmare. If you sell anything you cannot be guaranteed that someone is going to do what they say with the horse. If you sold a horse as a futurity prospect a person might end up running the horse at local barrel races. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I just say sold if they call and can't speak english or if the emails sound like they may be match racers. Call it profiling if you want, but even hispanic names, I will ask some questions in the emails to see what their intentions are. I have sold a few that I know went to match racers. Never heard about those horses again. 3 to be exact (that I know of). I just do what I can to avoid them. Don't put no match racers in the ad or they will lie to you. I had one that played the game pretty good for a couple of weeks and then slipped up. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 9:30 AM
I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!!
Here the match races are just like a regular race, (only done under the table). |
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| Depends on how badly you want to sell the horse. If they have the money, and you want to sell, new owners can do whatever they want with the horse. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-05-21 11:36 AM Depends on how badly you want to sell the horse. If they have the money, and you want to sell, new owners can do whatever they want with the horse.
My thoughts too on selling horses, you cant control what happens to them once you sell, we want too thats for sure but if you are in the business of selling its hard to say who can buy, even if they go to a home of your choice who says they wont resell to just who ever. I feel for you you have a good heart.. and to me if you put no match racers in your ad they will just get a friend to go buy it for them. |
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| Yep, happens all the time in my area of SOuthern California! THey all have connections. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-21 10:11 AM I just say sold if they call and can't speak english or if the emails sound like they may be match racers. Call it profiling if you want, but even hispanic names, I will ask some questions in the emails to see what their intentions are. I have sold a few that I know went to match racers. Never heard about those horses again. 3 to be exact (that I know of). I just do what I can to avoid them. Don't put no match racers in the ad or they will lie to you. I had one that played the game pretty good for a couple of weeks and then slipped up.
This is the part that bothers me. I know once you sell a horse you have no control over it but honestly nothing makes me happier than hearing how a horse I bred and raised is doing. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | equussynergy - 2015-05-21 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-21 10:11 AM I just say sold if they call and can't speak english or if the emails sound like they may be match racers. Call it profiling if you want, but even hispanic names, I will ask some questions in the emails to see what their intentions are. I have sold a few that I know went to match racers. Never heard about those horses again. 3 to be exact (that I know of). I just do what I can to avoid them. Don't put no match racers in the ad or they will lie to you. I had one that played the game pretty good for a couple of weeks and then slipped up. This is the part that bothers me. I know once you sell a horse you have no control over it but honestly nothing makes me happier than hearing how a horse I bred and raised is doing.
They are all still in my name. I know to most that I have talked to (not selling to) that the horses are not overly valuable to them. If they are, they are normally buying the $40k ones from the Heritage and not the $3500 from me. Once they are too sore to run, they just load em up and send em off.
My happiest customers are ones that are competing in their local 4D's etc. I have some that have futurity plans for them, but either way the horses are well loved, have great homes and I get updated pictures constantly. As a breeder that makes my day. Sure I would love to have the next BFA Champion, who doesn't hope for that with a home raised baby? But I got what I was asking out of them and they are in a good place. So life is good. |
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| They match race across the road from my place. I can't see it but I can hear the distinct music and announcer. Makes me shudder. They do it pretty much every Sunday. Hundreds of trailers and cars come and go over there. My vet told me I didn't want to know what really goes on over there. She's had to be called out pretty often. She told me not to ask. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I would try really hard NOT to let one go to match racers..... No drug testing and it gets ugly.
That being said, once you sell them, you have no control as to what happens to the horse next. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | In Utah the Mexican organizations rent the regular race tracks for the day for match races. Many of the Mexicans race in match races and the AQHA approved races. When you sell a horse you never know what will happen to it. If I had a good offer I would not turn it down. Money is green no matter who it comes from. I have had horse deals with many people some good and some bad but I have found that Mexicans pay cash. |
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Location: Kansas | Ive actually seen several very nice well bred race horses for sale by mexicans....and I mean jaw dropping nice. I don't believe all are bad, some actually take very good care of their horses. I guess it would just depend on the individual and their rep, but I wouldn't shy away from it. Most turn around and list them after they race, and some end up in performance homes. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-21 12:34 PM Ive actually seen several very nice well bred race horses for sale by mexicans....and I mean jaw dropping nice. I don't believe all are bad, some actually take very good care of their horses. I guess it would just depend on the individual and their rep, but I wouldn't shy away from it. Most turn around and list them after they race, and some end up in performance homes.
I bought 2 of those REALLY nice prospects. One was hopped up on pain meds and died of severe laminitis 30 days later the other was supposedly turned out because she got sore from a bad bump in race training. In reality she probably flipped in the gates and broke her withers and bone in her tail.
If they are great looking, well bred and cheap. It IS too good to be true. We paid a lot for the 2 mentioned above, no way would I even think if buying one of their cheaper ones. If they were sound, their buddies would be buying them at that price. |
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Location: Kansas | After seeing some "camps" that the match racers all keep their horses at, no way in the world would I let one of my horses end up in the hands of one of those folks. |
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| oh my you all should have been in mexico when 50,000 match race beween beduino and and i really forget the american horse i know ronnie banks
was one of the jockeys and vessells stallion farm bought him and brought him to US
they had gauard guns its was wild i rember some as i worked with ronnie and saw the bediuno horse when he came to los al
gary fisher pony him a a mex with legs under a over girth was on him
don/t group them all aliike they are not
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | vjls - 2015-05-21 2:35 PM oh my you all should have been in mexico when 50,000 match race beween beduino and and i really forget the american horse i know ronnie banks
was one of the jockeys and vessells stallion farm bought him and brought him to US
they had gauard guns its was wild i rember some as i worked with ronnie and saw the bediuno horse when he came to los al
gary fisher pony him a a mex with legs under a over girth was on him
don/t group them all aliike they are not
probably not but it is too hard to decifer good ones from bad and I don't need the money that bad right now.
I did love watching that video of Beduino kicking some behind! He was a nice horse, just about perfect in my eyes. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Like I said I would sell to a match racer but I would never buy a match race horse because they are done match racing they are done. |
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| Griz - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 9:30 AM
I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!!
Here the match races are just like a regular race, (only done under the table ).
Nope not around my area.. it's done on back roads in the middle of nowhere |
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| I sold a horse to a barrel racer. She made a point to tell me that the horse was not as represented and had sent her to the killers. That horse is still registered in my name. When you sell a horse to anyone, you have no control over what happens to them. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-21 10:09 AM
equussynergy - 2015-05-21 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-21 10:11 AM I just say sold if they call and can't speak english or if the emails sound like they may be match racers. Call it profiling if you want, but even hispanic names, I will ask some questions in the emails to see what their intentions are. I have sold a few that I know went to match racers. Never heard about those horses again. 3 to be exact (that I know of). I just do what I can to avoid them. Don't put no match racers in the ad or they will lie to you. I had one that played the game pretty good for a couple of weeks and then slipped up. This is the part that bothers me. I know once you sell a horse you have no control over it but honestly nothing makes me happier than hearing how a horse I bred and raised is doing.
My happiest customers are ones that are competing in their local 4D's etc. I have some that have futurity plans for them, but either way the horses are well loved, have great homes and I get updated pictures constantly. As a breeder that makes my day. Sure I would love to have the next BFA Champion, who doesn't hope for that with a home raised baby? But I got what I was asking out of them and they are in a good place. So life is good.
All the match racers around here can't wait for me to sell them the stud colt. The answer is NO! Since I live so close to the border I am glad he's branded so nicely. This is not a local brand and you only see it around here when the rodeos come to town other than on my colt. He is NFS! |
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Location: California | They run the **** out of them and hop the hell out of them too. Put on your ad - NO MATCHRACERS. I have a FB site where people list OTT QH and Paints. I tell people right off the bat that if they are a match racer, they are not welcome and I will ban them. Period. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-05-21 1:47 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-05-21 12:34 PM Ive actually seen several very nice well bred race horses for sale by mexicans....and I mean jaw dropping nice. I don't believe all are bad, some actually take very good care of their horses. I guess it would just depend on the individual and their rep, but I wouldn't shy away from it. Most turn around and list them after they race, and some end up in performance homes. I bought 2 of those REALLY nice prospects. One was hopped up on pain meds and died of severe laminitis 30 days later the other was supposedly turned out because she got sore from a bad bump in race training. In reality she probably flipped in the gates and broke her withers and bone in her tail.
If they are great looking, well bred and cheap. It IS too good to be true. We paid a lot for the 2 mentioned above, no way would I even think if buying one of their cheaper ones. If they were sound, their buddies would be buying them at that price.
I had 3 or 4 match racers call about the Rare Form granddaughter I sold a few weeks ago. They all low-balled me, so it was easy to tell them no deal without making excuses. |
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| I've sold a good number to match racers and have bought from them too. It flat doesn't bother me.
If the horse is nice enough (and in the US) they will run them regular track too.
One colt I sold made well over 70 matching, he set a track record regular track, won a few, made 26+ officially. Another has made I don't know how much matching, but he has a 94si and a win on his official record.
I've sold some to Mexico never to return buy I've seen win pictures :-) I've also sold some to "good homes" that have been anything but.
Judging an entire set by a few is rarely (if ever) a wise way to make decisions. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | kuhlmann - 2015-05-21 6:40 PM I've sold a good number to match racers and have bought from them too. It flat doesn't bother me.
If the horse is nice enough (and in the US) they will run them regular track too.
One colt I sold made well over 70 matching, he set a track record regular track, won a few, made 26+ officially. Another has made I don't know how much matching, but he has a 94si and a win on his official record.
I've sold some to Mexico never to return buy I've seen win pictures :-) I've also sold some to "good homes" that have been anything but.
Judging an entire set by a few is rarely (if ever) a wise way to make decisions.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Barnmom - 2015-05-21 7:45 PM kuhlmann - 2015-05-21 6:40 PM I've sold a good number to match racers and have bought from them too. It flat doesn't bother me.
If the horse is nice enough (and in the US) they will run them regular track too.
One colt I sold made well over 70 matching, he set a track record regular track, won a few, made 26+ officially. Another has made I don't know how much matching, but he has a 94si and a win on his official record.
I've sold some to Mexico never to return buy I've seen win pictures :-) I've also sold some to "good homes" that have been anything but.
Judging an entire set by a few is rarely (if ever) a wise way to make decisions. ^^^This
I Agree with you here, I've just heard bad things and I really love my horses and want them to go to good people. I'm terrible at selling horses! Lol. |
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Location: Arkansas | equussynergy - 2015-05-21 8:59 PM
Barnmom - 2015-05-21 7:45 PM kuhlmann - 2015-05-21 6:40 PM I've sold a good number to match racers and have bought from them too. It flat doesn't bother me.
If the horse is nice enough (and in the US) they will run them regular track too.
One colt I sold made well over 70 matching, he set a track record regular track, won a few, made 26+ officially. Another has made I don't know how much matching, but he has a 94si and a win on his official record.
I've sold some to Mexico never to return buy I've seen win pictures :-) I've also sold some to "good homes" that have been anything but.
Judging an entire set by a few is rarely (if ever) a wise way to make decisions. ^^^This
This is why mine never leave once they get here. . . . We bought one from a very nice Mexican that lives by us. He said he had never been raced-----yeah, that would be false. He was so hyped up and a MESS when we got him home and started working with him. He was totally unable to walk next to another horse----he freaked and tried to outrun anyone who even walked by. You could tell all he knew was "they're gonna beat the h-ll out of me and I better run." Such a nice horse to have that done to him. He's been to a trainer, but my bf has had back issues ever since he's been back, so hopefully we'll see a big difference when he's able to really start riding again. Either way, Lynn isn't going anywhere---he's at home to stay. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 4:36 PM
Griz - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 9:30 AM
I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!!
Here the match races are just like a regular race, (only done under the table ).
Nope not around my area.. it's done on back roads in the middle of nowhere
Same here, they are done off the beaten path away from the law but they ride with regular flat tack, have starting gates, starters - even a photographer. - It's almost a carnival atmosphere - and they have GOOD Mexican food!
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| Griz - 2015-05-22 5:20 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 4:36 PM
Griz - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 9:30 AM
I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!!
Here the match races are just like a regular race, (only done under the table ).
Nope not around my area.. it's done on back roads in the middle of nowhere
Same here, they are done off the beaten path away from the law but they ride with regular flat tack, have starting gates, starters - even a photographer. - It's almost a carnival atmosphere - and they have GOOD Mexican food!
yep.. the works but they just had a pad and then had them selves tied on with rope... strange and brave! They usually slaughtered a goat and cooked it in the ground, load music, and a huge celebration after it was done... Their horses were treated well, they like their horses jumping up and down(even just their everyday riding horse), I think it's just their culture, but they were fed well and conditioned well. |
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Location: Southwest Louisiana | I had a really nice one that I had to sell because I had two (human) babies, husband working out of town and just couldn't care for the 5 horses I had at the time. He was green broke, smooth, very smart and very friendly. Had good running bloodlines and was registered appendix qh. Sold him to a nice Mexican man in Louisiana. didn't even think about match racing as a possibility. Emailed the guy a few months later to check on the horse and said he sold him to someone in houston. I'm thinking match racing because he's still registered in my name and this was 4 years ago. I hate it because that was a very smart, sweet horse and I hate not knowing how or where he ended up. |
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Location: North Dakota | I had no idea this was even a thing...shows how in the loop I am! Then again this sounds like a mexican thing and there's not a huge population in this area yet. |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-05-22 3:08 PM
I had no idea this was even a thing...shows how in the loop I am! Then again this sounds like a mexican thing and there's not a huge population in this area yet.
not really we were brush tracking when I was 18 in liberty mo willisamburg mo several places and there was not a mexicam or black except dud
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first race I won brush also first ime I got him in the face with a stick yep I got into a fight over that learned a lot on brush tracka
how come we have so may holier than thou on here?
I bet there are quite a few here that rode brush
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| my daughters old horse ran on the tractrack forever then match raced. He's 20 and is still going strong. We have to medicate a little but what 20 Yr old performance horse doesn't need maintenance |
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Location: Arkansas | FlyingJT - 2015-05-22 9:50 AM
Griz - 2015-05-22 5:20 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 4:36 PM
Griz - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2015-05-21 9:30 AM
I've actually watched a couple match races.. They tie themselves on bareback with a rope...... craziest thing I've seen!!!
Here the match races are just like a regular race, (only done under the table ).
Nope not around my area.. it's done on back roads in the middle of nowhere
Same here, they are done off the beaten path away from the law but they ride with regular flat tack, have starting gates, starters - even a photographer. - It's almost a carnival atmosphere - and they have GOOD Mexican food!
yep.. the works but they just had a pad and then had them selves tied on with rope... strange and brave! They usually slaughtered a goat and cooked it in the ground, load music, and a huge celebration after it was done... Their horses were treated well, they like their horses jumping up and down (even just their everyday riding horse ), I think it's just their culture, but they were fed well and conditioned well.
The ones in our area are stalled or tied out in front yards by their necks all week and then jerked up on the weekend and get the crap run out of them down dirt turnrows. Then stuck back in the dark barn til next race. I wouldn't say these in our area are well conditioned. Then some are mysteriously gone after the weekend. . . . Just makes me sick. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Several years ago I sold a Mr. EYE OPENER colt at the All American sale. A Mexican bought him. But didn't pay for him so Ruidoso didn't release his papers so he could not run as a 2 year old. However he did run in schooling races at Salisaw. He had the fastest time that spring for 2 & 3 year Olds. He was the talk of Oklahoma. Rodney Reed was training for me and went to go look at him because he wanted to buy him. Rodney didn't think he would get much bigger for the 3 year old year so he didn't buy him. The colt made a ton of money match racing as a 2 year old. They paid Ruidoso and ran him officially as a 3 year old. He didn't get taller and became a common horse.He went back to the match races and raced the 200 yards and won lot more money. Match racing is done where ever the Mexican trainers can find a place to make a track or rent one. I agree they do race them hard but I have seen them take very good care of their horses. |
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