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| My horse shoer used to shoe a local charro's horses. He won't anymore. He said they like them very alert and high headed. The horses were kept in stalls with solid walls on three sides so they couldn't see each other. They were never out of their stalls except to be ridden/trained. My shoer will not go over there anymore because the horses were awful to shoe and their treatment of the horses were rough. I drive by his place every day to go to work and the only horses that are out in the little pasture are the mares and babies and that is only a couple times a week. Please remember I have only heard about one charro trainer that is down here in South Texas. I am sure that there are good ones and bad ones as in all disciplines. There is one who performed at the San Antonio Rodeo and his horses seem really nice. |
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| I went and looked at him yesterday, his stall has open sides, he picked up his feet fine for me, but nipped at me a few times,( hes young) 7 he said, ground manners not so good, I'm going to ride him tomorrow and see how that goes, so I'm wondering if he's trained to what he called reining and Piaffe, would it be hard to make him a barrel horse? |
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Location: IM A DUDE!!!!!!! | I ridden a couple years ago. They were really soft, but very stiff if that makes any sense. You could move them anywhere. If they are broke good and you give them a good foundation, they can pick up barrelracing |
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| OK so maybe a dumb question, but what is a Charro horse? |
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Location: Central Texas | Sandok - 2015-05-28 3:19 PM
OK so maybe a dumb question, but what is a Charro horse?
Not dumb. I was wondering the same thing! lol, Waiting for the answer. |
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mexican cowboy horses? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sandok - 2015-05-28 3:19 PM OK so maybe a dumb question, but what is a Charro horse?
Its a horse that mexicans like to man handle into being a nervous wreck, not all but most. They like them high headed they ride them in the highest ported bit they can find, they love for the horses to be prancing the whole time being riding. They the mexicans on the border like to look macho, so they keep their horse all hiped up. Now I knew some good charro horses they are taught to dance and taking well good care of, but most of the ones I have seen I just felt sorry for them. Now you got Charros like Jerry Diaz of San Antoino has the most awesome charro horses I have ever seen. Hes got so much pride in his horses..But along the border not so good.... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Google Jerry Diaz and you will see what a real charro horse is like  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Here is a few pictures of Jerry, I knew him when he first started out many many years ago, hes just awesome with his horses...
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| So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:05 PM So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said.
Did he come off the border here in Texas? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:10 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:05 PM So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said. Did he come off the border here in Texas?
Yes. Originally. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:10 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:05 PM So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said. Did he come off the border here in Texas?
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| Just like in any discipline, there are good Charro trainers and then there are bad ones. American riders tend to discredit the true Charro because we seem to see a lot of bad horses turned out by bad "trainers". I guess the same could be said true for barrel horses right? There are a lot of people in other disciplines that think all barrel horses are crazy lunatics that are unbroke and only know how to runaway in a semi-controlled manner.
Good Charro trainers are hard to find but they do exist. If the horse is what you want and he rides good I wouldn't hesitate buying him. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | bsexton20 - 2015-05-28 9:49 AM I went and looked at him yesterday, his stall has open sides, he picked up his feet fine for me, but nipped at me a few times,( hes young) 7 he said, ground manners not so good, I'm going to ride him tomorrow and see how that goes, so I'm wondering if he's trained to what he called reining and Piaffe, would it be hard to make him a barrel horse?
being young or 7 as you say isn't any excuse for nipping or biting..... THAT is a red flag for me.... why is he nipping/bitting- pain, mistreatment, bad manner's? RED FLAG  The horse would have to be free to even think of putting out good money.... I've had too many dinks because I have thought I could fix the problem or send them out to a good trainer to fix.
I've had one good mare that was Charro broke... she was a great mare, but her front legs looked like he77 - old scars, dents, etc from them hitting her with rubber hoses when they were training her to prance and dance. I practically got her free and that was the only reason I took her home plus I felt sorry for her and wanted to get her away from the owner who treated her like crap. |
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| cyount2009 - 2015-05-28 2:42 PM
Just like in any discipline, there are good Charro trainers and then there are bad ones. American riders tend to discredit the true Charro because we seem to see a lot of bad horses turned out by bad "trainers". I guess the same could be said true for barrel horses right? There are a lot of people in other disciplines that think all barrel horses are crazy lunatics that are unbroke and only know how to runaway in a semi-controlled manner.
Good Charro trainers are hard to find but they do exist. If the horse is what you want and he rides good I wouldn't hesitate buying him.
LOL...so true. As a barrel racing convert from hunter/jumpers I definitely thought this of all barrel racing horses, and living in San Diego (my cell phone picks up Mexican signals) I thought this of all charro horses, too. Until I rode both. Charro if done right creates a forward horse (think free runner) that does dressage like moves. They are very sensitive to leg pressure and if you "goose" them they are high headded, jiggy-jogging or loping in place. Too handsy and their mouths agape and chomping. Yes, they use huge cathedral bits. If done right the idea is to NOT use the bit and train the horse to ride up into collection. Granted...I have only seen this done a few times correctly, like Tomas Garciliazo's "Hollywood." |
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Yes, there are a lot of Charro horses that are mistreated. I have seen it first hand, but there are some good trainers out there. I know a select few of them, and they are a good people and they put an excellent handle on their horses. However, if you get some of these horses a lot of them get loped on a lot and don't really know how to trot because all they do is lope. A lot of these horses get trained to slide stop and spin, half passing, side passing, real good vertical flexion and know leg cues like the back of their hand, they also have amazing ground manners. However.. that is with a good trainer. We have stallions at our barn all the time, with mares and they don't even bat an eyelash. Also these horses are well fed.. and get turned out, and have a good life. I have never seen a "dancing" horse at our barn. But that is with a good trainer.. the rest who are not, are just plain abusive and don't know how to train. I would be cautious.
Down side is they don't know how to bend and use their body like a barrel horse, and unless you know how to ride those types of horses you need to bring them back down to a foundation and teach the horse the basics of barrel racing. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:25 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:10 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:05 PM So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said. Did he come off the border here in Texas?
It was the guy in Laredo, that told me this. He was actually 10, when he went to Athens, then to LA for a year and a half and now here. No more traveling. lol |
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Location: California | I've ridden a ton of those horses out here in Cali.... most are Andalusians though...
Here's my opinion:
Depending on the trainer/owner.... a lot of times they just like the horses to "act up" or act excited. They aren't really doing anything specific other than jumping around. If the horse was pushed to dance or piaffe then it could translate with the horse being nervous. Similar to a barrel horse, they might "dance" in the alley. So if you were to get one than was trained on a harsher level-it could result in a dancing/jumping around goofball before a run (which granted might happen anyway, but this horse was TRAINED to do it).
Now if the trainer was top notch, knew what he was doing & the horse liked his job, it could be compared to top notch dressage horses. The movements are the same, just different cultures. The movements these horses do are extremely difficult to train, and a true Charro horse is really under-appreciated.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 5:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:25 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 4:10 PM Whiteboy - 2015-05-28 4:05 PM So when I purchased my Stud I got ahold of the person (Mexican Fella) that owned him for the first 9 years of his life. He claimed they used him as a charro horse. I don't know if that is true or not but all I know is he is super broke, calm, low headed and gentle. So if he was one, he must have been the exception to what the previous posters have said. Did he come off the border here in Texas?
Glad that hes got a forever home with you now, he looks like a wonderful guy, I saw your web paige and liked what I saw, hes a good looking dude, and you have a beautiful human family too |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 3:41 PM Here is a few pictures of Jerry, I knew him when he first started out many many years ago, hes just awesome with his horses...
Jerry was one of my husband's clients until my husband retired from doing teeth. His horses were awesome to work on. His Fresian Stallion is so attached to Jerry that he can't be anywhere around him when Gary would work on him as he wanted to go with Jerry and would start marching in place.
As far as wanting one of his for a barrel horse...NO...They are very collected and can go no where in a bushel basket.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | This, my friends, is a true Charro horse, a bridle horse ridden in a spade used as a signal bit and not a curb.
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I could only watch for about 3 mins. my neck started to hurt watching this lol.. I hate seeing a horse's chin up to their chest, but thats their way..... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-05-28 5:31 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 3:41 PM Here is a few pictures of Jerry, I knew him when he first started out many many years ago, hes just awesome with his horses... Jerry was one of my husband's clients until my husband retired from doing teeth. His horses were awesome to work on. His Fresian Stallion is so attached to Jerry that he can't be anywhere around him when Gary would work on him as he wanted to go with Jerry and would start marching in place.
As far as wanting one of his for a barrel horse...NO...They are very collected and can go no where in a bushel basket.
I think Jerry is one of the best and true Charros out there... How cool that Gary used to do his horses. Jerry shows so much horsemanship and love for his horses.  |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 7:36 PM
I could only watch for about 3 mins. my neck started to hurt watching this lol.. I hate seeing a horse's chin up to their chest, but thats their way.....
It's the same as a dressage horse. |
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His wife, Stacey, is also amazing.
It was quite interesting when Gary did his horses as I always hold them and I'm a real touchy, feely person with a horse and his horses have so many buttons I couldn't touch them as they had all kinds of buttons for their tricks..LOL
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Location: SE Louisiana | cyount2009 - 2015-05-28 4:42 PM Just like in any discipline, there are good Charro trainers and then there are bad ones. American riders tend to discredit the true Charro because we seem to see a lot of bad horses turned out by bad "trainers". I guess the same could be said true for barrel horses right? There are a lot of people in other disciplines that think all barrel horses are crazy lunatics that are unbroke and only know how to runaway in a semi-controlled manner. Good Charro trainers are hard to find but they do exist. If the horse is what you want and he rides good I wouldn't hesitate buying him.
Actually I believe this to be true.... But the people riding them have such good horsemanship skills, (Or they are just as crazy)... they never notice. |
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| oija - 2015-05-28 7:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 7:36 PM
I could only watch for about 3 mins. my neck started to hurt watching this lol.. I hate seeing a horse's chin up to their chest, but thats their way.....
It's the same as a dressage horse.
I don't think that horse looked at all like a highly trained Grande Prix dressage horse, jmo:) |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think it's a similar frame though this horse is a bit more on the forehand. This one doesn't have as much knee action but certainly is very responsive to leg and seat. |
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Location: North Dakota | oija - 2015-05-28 7:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-05-28 7:36 PM
I could only watch for about 3 mins. my neck started to hurt watching this lol.. I hate seeing a horse's chin up to their chest, but thats their way.....
It's the same as a dressage horse.
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