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| Debating buying an appaloosa reining horse and putting him on the pattern. He's nice with tons of buttons but my concern is 1. he's an appaloosa and 2. I don't recognize nearly any horses on his papers! which may just be because I don't know many appy or reining bloodlines... So my question is, would you buy a nice barrel horse (at least 1/2d locally) even if it was an appy? Would you pay the same as if it was a quarter horse? |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Myself, I would personally pay more for a good Appaloosa over other breeds. However, I love Appaloosas and I am not a paper person. I do realize though that I may be a "rare breed" myself in this thought process. LOL!
There is always a market for well rounded, good minded, performance horses regardless of what breed they are. |
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Location: North Dakota | Yes I would. All other things being equal I like color so paints and appy's would always be my choice over quarter horses. |
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Location: ND | I love a good appi so yes I'd pay a fair price for a proven one. But most people would not. If you're looking at resale stick with a quarter horse with proven barrel racing genetics. |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | SaraJean - 2015-05-31 10:21 PM I love a good appi so yes I'd pay a fair price for a proven one. But most people would not. If you're looking at resale stick with a quarter horse with proven barrel racing genetics.
I agree 1000%. Of course the die hard Appaloosa people will say they have no issues selling apps, I find it not to be the case. Like you mentioned you dont know app bloodlines as many others do not. I think it makes a little bit of difference if the horse is 100% in bloodlines or like mine who is all QH on the bottom (Reckless Dash/DFC) and MOSTLY TB on top, his sire is in the app hall of fame set track records - really an amazing app BUT when I had him listed for sale (off an on the last 2 years) I had interested people until they either saw pictures of him (he is a nice looking boy with a tail) or saw he was reg with ApHC. Do not buy if you are wanting to resale only. JMO.
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| No, as shallow as it sounds I think they are ugly (unless solid colored) and I don't know bloodlines so I would be very hesitant |
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | cheeka77 - 2015-05-31 10:44 PM No, as shallow as it sounds I think they are ugly (unless solid colored) and I don't know bloodlines so I would be very hesitant
Thats really sad. :( I know some people have preferances over blanketed apps or leopards but ANY that is NOT soild?? My app is a black roan who has grayed out and Im sad he only has a few black spots left. I am sorry you think that way. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheeka77 - 2015-05-31 10:44 PM No, as shallow as it sounds I think they are ugly (unless solid colored) and I don't know bloodlines so I would be very hesitant
Wow really!!!! What type of horse do you own? You just never have come across a good one then. I have had some really nice Apps in my life time and there is some good working ones out there. If I was in the market for another horse I sure would not turn away from a nice app if I came across one. |
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Location: Here | I have one everyone thinks he is quarter horse. a good horse is a good horse regardless |
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| Mine has an appy dad & qh mom. Shes priceless. I was going to breed her and had people calling me about buying the baby before I even decided on a stud.
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| watchpeppydoc - 2015-05-31 10:49 PM cheeka77 - 2015-05-31 10:44 PM No, as shallow as it sounds I think they are ugly (unless solid colored) and I don't know bloodlines so I would be very hesitant Thats really sad. :( I know some people have preferances over blanketed apps or leopards but ANY that is NOT soild?? My app is a black roan who has grayed out and Im sad he only has a few black spots left. I am sorry you think that way.
Why is that sad? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can have their own preference. I don't think the above poster was in any way knocking Appaloosa's, just stating her personal opinion on the fact. And I would have to agree with her for the most part. I do not care for a colored app but would own one if it was bred well and solid colored. Just a personal preference, and not knocking the breed or any proven apps out there. 
To the OP, if you are planning to buy for resale, I personally wouldn't buy this horse. As you can see, there are a lot of people that are Appaloosa fans, but I would say that there are more that are not especially if they don't have the papers to back them up. Just my two cents though!
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Location: NW. Florida | If its winning you bet people would buy. I don't care if it's mule headed, pigeon toed, and purple as long as its winning. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Years ago, there was a Appy in the N.W. spanking everybody at the rodeo's and I do mean taking everyones money. People were lining up with offers trying to buy that horse!! Obviously, it doesnt matter if they are pink, purple, the color of mud or any combination there of, if they are a good horse, they are a good horse and people always want to buy good horses! |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | IMO, and I am NOT an appy "fan". I don't have a preference. But I do however get bored of seeing the same old sorrels, bays, greys, etc.... I wouldn't hesitate to buy a loud colored paint or appy. I like their uniqueness. For me, if I had the option of buying a pretty appy over a sorrel, if all credentials were the same, horses worked the same, etc... I'd pick the appy. |
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Location: Deep South | I buy horses for resale all the time and I wouldn't consider an appy at all. There are the diehard appy fans out there, yes. But all of the appy fans I Personally know, that love them FOR their color, don't buy horses in the price range I would expect to see a 1D/2D horse in. Flame suit zipped up, but that is how it is in my area.
I know where a nice proven 1D mare is for sale right now. She is pretty and solid black, but has appy papers. Even though nearly every horse on the papers is a quarter horse. I can't beleive she hasn't sold yet, but I have no doubt the papers are making people shy away because she really is a nice mare. |
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| I think the truth is, your market is smaller. And as sad as many may think it is, color matters. People will shy away from a loud appy a lot faster than if they are solid. Just the way it is. Obviously there are appy fans who love the bright patterns but the market is smaller.
In all honesty, I dont think you would get the same amount for a 1D/2D App that you would for a 1D/2D QH. Ive ridden a lot of BA apps and wouldnt turn one away but I know a lot of people who would. |
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I believe Smart Little Lena was an app, I know there was a son of Doc OLena that was an app. Jimmy Little Smith or a name like that (I cant be positive because it was 20 years ago) in Texas around Dallas. I have't thought about that in along time. I paid 5000 for an app barrelracing horse, had to buy from Wisconsin and have him shipped because there were literally NO appaloosa barrelhorses in Within a hundred miles or maybe the whole state  |
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| I want a spotted one so bad I can't stand it lol. Fiancé says no lol. Maybe later on. |
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Location: Oregon | While I think it would be great fun to kick everyones butt on an app I don't think I'd buy one for resale because unless it's a superstar so many people wouldn't even consider buying it. |
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Location: Southern Oregon | There are some phenomenal barrel horses that are appy's here in Oregon. Consistent 1D/2D horses. I would own one. Good horses come in all colors. |
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Location: south central usa | SG. - 2015-06-01 7:30 AM
I have one everyone thinks he is quarter horse. a good horse is a good horse regardless
have the opposite -- foundation bred QH that everyone thinks is an app...most of the time i just say yep insteading of 'splaining to them that she isnt... :-) |
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Location: Deep South | fastwrapn3 - 2015-06-01 12:14 PM
I believe Smart Little Lena was an app, I know there was a son of Doc OLena that was an app. Jimmy Little Smith or a name like that (I cant be positive because it was 20 years ago ) in Texas around Dallas. I have't thought about that in along time. I paid 5000 for an app barrelracing horse, had to buy from Wisconsin and have him shipped because there were literally NO appaloosa barrelhorses in Within a hundred miles or maybe the whole state
Smart Little Lena was not an app. Sorrel with rabicano gene.
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Location: Bama | If I were looking at two different horses say AQHA and ApHC, both were the same price and clocking the same times, I'd go with color! |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | For resale value I'd have to pass. |
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Location: The edge of no where | BamaCanChaser - 2015-06-01 11:05 AM I buy horses for resale all the time and I wouldn't consider an appy at all. There are the diehard appy fans out there, yes. But all of the appy fans I Personally know, that love them FOR their color, don't buy horses in the price range I would expect to see a 1D/2D horse in. Flame suit zipped up, but that is how it is in my area.
I know where a nice proven 1D mare is for sale right now. She is pretty and solid black, but has appy papers. Even though nearly every horse on the papers is a quarter horse. I can't beleive she hasn't sold yet, but I have no doubt the papers are making people shy away because she really is a nice mare.
^^Great summary!
I'd pass on resale.
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I had to look it up, Jimmie Miller Smith and the horse was Ima Doc O'Lena, appaloosa stud cutting horse on the cover of several reining and cutting magazine. |
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Location: SE KS | fastwrapn3 - 2015-06-01 3:21 PM
I had to look it up, Jimmie Miller Smith and the horse was Ima Doc O'Lena, appaloosa stud cutting horse on the cover of several reining and cutting magazine.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Heres a beautiful App son of Leaving Memories, Trouble Memories...
Hes got some beautiful off spring that are running barrels...
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BamaCanChaser - 2015-06-01 11:05 AM I buy horses for resale all the time and I wouldn't consider an appy at all. There are the diehard appy fans out there, yes. But all of the appy fans I Personally know, that love them FOR their color, don't buy horses in the price range I would expect to see a 1D/2D horse in. Flame suit zipped up, but that is how it is in my area.
I know where a nice proven 1D mare is for sale right now. She is pretty and solid black, but has appy papers. Even though nearly every horse on the papers is a quarter horse. I can't beleive she hasn't sold yet, but I have no doubt the papers are making people shy away because she really is a nice mare.
^^Great summary!
I'd pass on resale.
I agree. I see Nicole has a Lena May baby for sale and she shows his Palomino Breeder papers. It is a great sales ploy not to say he is a solid app. But by the prices of all her others for sale you can see there is a huge price difference when comparing apples to oranges as far as registration papers. I think it mainly matters on a mare and like SG said a good horse is a good horse. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Zebra racer - 2015-06-01 3:44 PM
MS2011 - 2015-06-01 3:05 PM
BamaCanChaser - 2015-06-01 11:05 AM I buy horses for resale all the time and I wouldn't consider an appy at all. There are the diehard appy fans out there, yes. But all of the appy fans I Personally know, that love them FOR their color, don't buy horses in the price range I would expect to see a 1D/2D horse in. Flame suit zipped up, but that is how it is in my area.
I know where a nice proven 1D mare is for sale right now. She is pretty and solid black, but has appy papers. Even though nearly every horse on the papers is a quarter horse. I can't beleive she hasn't sold yet, but I have no doubt the papers are making people shy away because she really is a nice mare.
^^Great summary!
I'd pass on resale.
I agree. I see Nicole has a Lena May baby for sale and she shows his Palomino Breeder papers. It is a great sales ploy not to say he is a solid app. But by the prices of all her others for sale you can see there is a huge price difference when comparing apples to oranges as far as registration papers. I think it mainly matters on a mare and like SG said a good horse is a good horse.
I'm fairly certain I remember her saying that Lena May didn't have "regular" ApHC papers, which means her offspring wouldn't be eligible for ApHC papers unless sired by a stallion with "regular" ApHC papers. Therefore, the pally papers are probably all that he has.
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| My opinion has not changed, it won't change, and I don't care who doesn't like it. You could not pay me a million dollars to own another appaloosa horse. Every one I have EVER rode was 15 shades of crazy, and honestly? They are just ugly horses. I can tolerate the roanish ones, and maybe a small blanket, but that's about the extent of decent in the breed.
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