FLITASTIC - 2015-06-02 11:24 AM

Thanks for the Heads up on it! I am totally willing to give it a try! I did Osphos in January, wonder if I need to wait a little longer?

ampratt - 2015-06-02 10:47 AM


You are very welcome. I just did the Osphos at the end of March so will wait until September and try the OsteoPhos unless he starts feeling sore before then. I am just on the fence, wondering if I should do it before then. I don't want to wait until/if he gets sore again and possibily have more down time. I know mine will at some point because we've been maintaining his issues for about 5 years now. If you try the OseoPhos let me know how how it works for you. I am hoping it will be just as good as Tildren and Osphos.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-02 1:15 PM


I think I will go ahead and order a vial of it. THe horse I will use it on Chipped his navicular bone and has been on rest about 6 weeks now. My vet told me in January you can go six months on Osphos, so I am at almost 5 , I don't think it will hurt anything to give the Osteophos at this time.

trickster j - 2015-06-02 10:06 PM

So a single dose is $130?   

GoinJettin - 2015-06-02 11:05 PM

Interesting.  I have done two doses of Osphos on my navicular gelding and am getting close to the 90 day mark to give it again. I'm not getting 6 months out of it.  It doesn't start working really good until between day 30-45 and then by day 90 has started to wear off. Would love a less pricey option if it works as well. 

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-02 10:23 PM Correct. You separate the medication into 3 different shots and give them all at the same time.

run n rate - 2015-06-03 12:23 PM

So everyone that is giving it is giving it for Navicular? Checking in because I'm 90% sure that is what I'm going to be dealing with on my gelding, he goes into vet in the next couple weeks with my mare when she gets her bladder ultrasound check up. Am not riding him, he seems to be fine out in the pasture, not pointing his foot, sound in the straight aways but can see an ouch step in turns to the left especially and going down declines. Just want to have my ducks in a row.

run n rate - 2015-06-03 11:23 AM

So everyone that is giving it is giving it for Navicular? Checking in because I'm 90% sure that is what I'm going to be dealing with on my gelding, he goes into vet in the next couple weeks with my mare when she gets her bladder ultrasound check up. Am not riding him, he seems to be fine out in the pasture, not pointing his foot, sound in the straight aways but can see an ouch step in turns to the left especially and going down declines. Just want to have my ducks in a row.

run n rate - 2015-06-03 10:23 AM So everyone that is giving it is giving it for Navicular? Checking in because I'm 90% sure that is what I'm going to be dealing with on my gelding, he goes into vet in the next couple weeks with my mare when she gets her bladder ultrasound check up. Am not riding him, he seems to be fine out in the pasture, not pointing his foot, sound in the straight aways but can see an ouch step in turns to the left especially and going down declines. Just want to have my ducks in a row.

MissMary2277 - 2015-06-05 10:09 AM

following this post... my 17 year old gelding just got started on OsPhos (May 13 was his first shot of it actually) and have already seen a huge improvement. But if this OsteoPhos works the same I'd LOVE to get in on it....can't beat that price difference!! Keep us updated, whoever tries it first!

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-08 8:43 AM

I just placed an order! My good horse was dinking around and aggrivated his Hock again. Last December he had same thing and we took xrays and he had an old spavin that he broke loose. I gave Osphos from vet ($300) but within about a month he was great and really improved on it... SO I ordered this stuff and will give it as soon as it arrives. Perfect candidate to compare results with. It was grand total $138 for the single vile of Osteophos. Its shipping from Canada.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-08 6:43 AM

I just placed an order! My good horse was dinking around and aggrivated his Hock again. Last December he had same thing and we took xrays and he had an old spavin that he broke loose. I gave Osphos from vet ($300) but within about a month he was great and really improved on it... SO I ordered this stuff and will give it as soon as it arrives. Perfect candidate to compare results with. It was grand total $138 for the single vile of Osteophos. Its shipping from Canada.

rodeorun68 - 2015-06-09 12:20 PM


Where did you order it and are the dosage instructions on the bottle?

hotpaints - 2015-06-10 6:34 AM

Has anyone tried either product for a bone spur in a young horse??

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-10 8:52 AM

I ordered mine Monday. I will say this, with horseprerace.com you get a confirmation email, and tracking information within 24 hours. This place did not do the same. THey did charge my credit card and I printed off my order information. But never got confirmation. I'm sure its fine but just little differences. I am waiting on pins and needles ( Literally) to get it so I can give it to my horse.

astreakinchic - 2015-06-10 8:08 AM Yes....Osphos is awesome and now a staple in our barn....everything from futurity colts to open aged horses are going to get it every 6 months on the dot

ampratt - 2015-06-10 8:55 AM


Just an FYI horseprerace.com has a version now as well. I ordered from there yesterday. Got my email confirmation and shipping info already. I am sure Racehorse is ok as well but I am like you I want my confirmation asap!

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-10 12:24 PM

Just looked at the horse prerace site and see what your talking about " Tildraphos" lol And its 5 bucks cheaper than the other site...

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-10 12:21 PM


I bet they are the same outfit honestly. Probably same lab and different labels. But yes, if prerace has a version I will go with that.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-10 2:39 PM

Just got my Osteophos today!!! LOL I ordered Monday Night and was here today. SO I guess they are just as speedy as prerace people.

readytorodeo - 2015-06-12 10:42 AM

 Has anyone had their horse show colic cymptoms after giving it?  I have heard this is a side effect

readytorodeo - 2015-06-12 8:42 AM

 Has anyone had their horse show colic cymptoms after giving it?  I have heard this is a side effect

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-12 12:35 PM


Colic is common with Tildren but not osphos. It does say to monitor the
Horse for 2 hours.

UTAHCANCHASER - 2015-06-12 1:21 PM

So most everyone is using this for navicular issues...  Of the 3 or 4 products that have been mentioned on this thread which would work best for hocks? 

hotpaints - 2015-06-12 1:49 PM

Is any one concerned about the quality control of the product when purchased from racehorsemeds?

highonsugar - 2015-06-12 2:27 PM

If you have a problem with your order and are disputing it, you can NOT get hold of an actual person and the only number that works is for the call center that takes orders.  This business is BASED in Panama and he is not user friendly!  Yes, he has a FL address.  Please do your homework. 

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-12 7:19 PM


That's very unfortunate that you had that problem. I remember you first posting about it. There are lots of us that have placed hundreds of orders with no problems and shipping extremely fast. Lol. Every time i order it comes from Nebraska now. Lol

GoMistyGo - 2015-06-13 4:07 PM

 Thank you for asking.  She seems ok now.  We gave her some Benamine and that helped.  Not sure if it burned, or she had an alergic reaction, or what...  It came on so fast right after giving it to her.  Very odd and scary.  I thought I killed my soul mate.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-13 6:11 PM Ok. Glad she is ok. All the literature says that colic symptoms come on within 2 hours. And if they are fine after that then your in the clear.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-13 10:07 PM

She might be just the one in hundred that colics. I'm a little hesitant to use mine tomorrow. I will have to think about it. Did you give her osphos last time? Or gave that to others and this is her first time?

Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 10:29 PM I was just checking to see how your mare is doing .

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-17 10:21 AM

Great to know. Mine is from racehorse meds.com. We shall see if I have issues when i give it.

Macy922 - 2015-06-17 2:00 PM

It's not the same thing...look at the difference in concentration 50mg/ml vs 60mg/ml. Not to mention there is only one source that can legally make clodronate and that is the company who makes osphos. I called the FDA to see if there was more than one source that was safe and they said no. Probably is made in some foreign country and who knows what is in it!!!

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-17 4:52 PM


Of course it's made in a foreign country. The FDA should have told you that there is only one APPROVeD company that makes it here. And that's the osphos company. Lol. Technically no companies can make pentosan but they do. Lol.

ampratt - 2015-06-18 8:15 AM I can't resist mentioning that Tildren was made in a FOREIGN country as well for quite some time before it was ever FDA approved here in the United States. We are not the only country with tried and true equine medical supplements. Honestly, we probably lag way behind Europe and Australia if the truth were known.

racin3cans - 2015-06-18 11:45 AM

 Any more updates from those who have given this? 

ampratt - 2015-06-18 1:24 PM


I am curious as well. From what I have read I think only 2 of us have actually done the injections. One other poster and myself. Her horse had a colic like reaction, mine did not. I believe Flitastic is debating on giving the dose she has, so I am sure if she does she will keep us posted on her experience. Hoping all goes well with future doses. It would be nice to have a safe, cheaper alternative. I just gave mine so I won't be able to determine if it is comparable to Osphos until much later.

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-18 8:16 PM


FLitastic is a HE not a SHE but that's ok.. lol I have an appointment Monday with my vet for a recheck on my horse after a navicular bone chip. If she recommends I give another dose of the Osphos I am going to use it. Just FYI, I bought from RACEHORSEMEDS, not pre race. THey have different names. ANd Yep, If I give it, I will report back! THanks!

RodeoGirlJodi - 2015-06-18 10:51 PM

 I spoke to my vet about osteophos yesterday.  I wanted to use it instead of the osphos because of price.  He said he had osteophos brought to his attention a few times and did some research in to it.  He says it is not the same mechanism as osphos like it claims to be.  He also spoke with one of the head people of osphos to confirm.  He also feels there's not enough literature over it.  I'd like to give it a shot, but I'm skeptical.  Would love to hear how people's horses do on it.

ampratt - 2015-06-22 1:16 PM Would you be able to obtain the research your vet did on osteophos or direct me to the source. I would love to read it.

Three*C*Champs - 2015-06-23 10:18 AM


I recently discussed Osphos with my vet and am awaiting an article he is sending me to read that he really thought was a good read on it. I will share it here one recieved.

horsingaround - 2015-07-01 1:19 PM

I got the " tildrophos" to day  from Horse prerace
its in a clear vial but lable says to protect from light....lol

GoMistyGo - 2015-07-01 3:17 PM

Update:

My mare was the one with the bad reaction to the medicine. She came out of it okay though. However, Now two weeks after giving it to her she is still as lame as before. Please do keep in mind though, that this horse is 25 years old and has bad ring bone and arthritis.

horsingaround - 2015-07-02 8:51 AM

Just thinking......

The colic like symptoms may be agrivated by the dose.
The vial contained 20 ml
My horse weight is 1150 lbs or 521.6 kg
Clodronate disodium  give 1.5mg/kg
supplied as 50mg in 20 ml= dose of 15.6ml divided by 3 = 5.2ml per shot 

RodeoGirlJodi - 2015-07-02 11:19 AM

 Do you typically see subtle improvement throughout the first initial weeks using the osphos? Or is all the improvement toward the end of the 4-6 weeks?

FLITASTIC - 2015-07-02 2:50 PM Mine was within a week. It was nothing, nothing, nothing, then all of a sudden better, better, better, good! LOL

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-02 8:44 AM I just looked it up, Its the same as OsPHOS. I found a site that you can buy it without a prescription!!! Is it s knock off of Osphos?

horsingaround - 2015-07-02 3:40 PM


The Tildren does I used in the past came with a month of stall rest. It sounds like you rode after giving the shots?
I plan on a week off and then turn out for a few weeks then???  

If the osteo phos can be given every 3-6 months there would be only a month to ride???
 

Herbie - 2015-11-03 1:25 PM

I hope all who are using these products will read this article.  These products are not new, they have been around for years in human medicine for treatment of osteoporosis, but are not prescribed nearly as much in human medicine due to serious, long term side effects that persist even after the medication is not used anymore.  The medication kills off the osteoclats inside the bone, which is a crucial part of bone remodeling, which is needed in all species.  Aot of evidence in humans to long bone fractures as a result of the bone weakening and lack of remodeling.  Also noted was a huge increase in jaw necrosion and loss of teeth.  If all that isn't bad enough, it has been shown to cause severe heart damage and kidney failure.  Please be careful with your horses and think long term rather than short term.  These results are in humans, mostly women, and they don't weigh 1000 pounds and aren't running running, turning, and testing their physical limits with each run.  The over use of Tildren and Osphos by the veterinary world has me concerned about the future of the horses who are using it so frequently and increases the chance for career ending, catastropic injuries due to bone fragility and lack of ability to remodel.  Unfortunately the medical and veterinary industry is driven by the pharmaceutical industry.  Since the medication is not readily used in human medicine as much as it used to be due to side effects, the drug companies are now pushing it on the veterinary industry, comping vets to prescribe it, and praying us horse owners aren't smart enough to do our research.  Please take the time to educate yourself and know the risks to both your horse, and you, as you are just as much at risk should something terrible happen during a run.   
https://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/bones.pdf
 

ampratt - 2015-11-03 2:00 PM I am not stepping on toes here so please do not take it as such. I think what you said should be a go in any treatment we give our animals or ourselves. We should always strive to search for and ensure the best treatment available for them. Unfortunately, there are pros and cons to ALL drugs. We have to educate ourselves, evaluate our animal's need, work with our vet and pray we make the best decision for their continued health. My horse would not be living a comfortable life today if it weren't for Tildren/Osphos. I've worked hard with my vet and try to read everything I can get my hands on about the drugs, or any treatment I subject my horse to. I could have buted him heavily and still probably caused organ damage as well. I stretch his treatments out as far as possible. I have my vet do routine checks on his organs etc. I recall a few years ago that there was concern about the overuse of omeprazole and the increase in fractures. I remember there being 4 broken legs during 1 year at the various races I ran at. That was scary. Even Previcox has the possibility of damage given long term but I see it mentioned on here all the time about how much is it used. I agree we just have to work to make sure we do the best by our animals. Overuse of anything is probably not a good idea.

ajs2002 - 2015-11-03 2:08 PM I think you also have to take into account the life span of the average horse verses the life span of the average person. Long term is very different in the two animals.  

Herbie - 2015-11-03 2:14 PM


I completely understand and agree with you, and yes, we have to do the best we can by them and we rely on experts to lead us in that direction.  Just remember, those experts are getting paid by the drug companies to use certain drugs....ALOT....so it's the cat guarding the canary sometimes.  There is a reason the medications aren't used in human practice much anymore, and i'm not willing to take that chance for myself and my horse due to the increased risk of fracture and catastropic injury.  Will it happen, maybe and maybe not, and yes, it can happen to any horse at any time when he makes a run under the best of circumstances, but I personally will not increase  those chances. 

Yes, there was an issue several years ago linking omeprazole to fractures.  The reason is long term use of omeprazole is directly affected to nutrient assimilation, meaning the horse isn't able to utilize what we're feeding, also resulting in vital vitamins and minerals needed for proper bone remodeling.  Same scenario, different cause, but both are depleting the bone of vital nutrients needed to be strong, yet pliable. 

Believe me, I fully understand the struggle of keeping our horses healthy and sound, and have had to research myself to death this year it seems like, but I will not rely on someone who is getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies to tell me this is a good thing, especially when it's already been discontinued in it's original intended use due to too many negative side affects.  The manufacturer has to go another route to continue to prosper.  

I'm not saying don't use these products, i'm simply saying do your research and know the risks associated. Don't rely on the vets who benefit from the drug companies greatly for prescribing it to make decisions for you and tell you it's good for your horse.  Do your own research in order to make the best decision possible.  If you still feel it's the best possible treatment for your horse, then go for it.  I just think it's important for us to do a better job educating each other, to both the good and the bad, of all these issues we're relying on others to tell us but they don't.