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| I will try to make this as short and simple as possible although the it's been a long week and very complicated! I also may miss a detail or two or get something mixed up because I've been fed so much information on so many things in the last 5 days! I have a 13 yr old gelding. He's been at my place since I bought him 3 years ago. After just selling our house, I had to put him at a boarding facility temporarily until we get our house built and fencing done. The farm is 40 acres with only 8 horses, mine included and all of them have been there for a while with nobody being sick. The horse he was pastured with at this place has been in that pasture for a while. Up to this point I have had absolutely no health problems out of my gelding. Just had yearly exam and vacc's two weeks ago and checked out fine. He also hasn't been off my property nor has he been around any new horses in the last 6 months until this move.
Now, here it goes...barn owner calls this past Saturday morning. Says he was laying around a good bit on Fri but not rolling or anything super abnormal. She goes out to check/feed them Sat morning when she sees him laying down. He got up, came to her but then turned away from his feed. I go out there around 10 am to see exactly how he's acting. End up calling the vet out not too much later. Temp of 105, elevated heart rate. She tubes him in which she and he have a hard time getting it down and it takes multiple tries before it happens. No colic symptoms after tubing/palpating/etc. She did put some water in him because his poop was a little hard but no compaction, compared it to play dough. She also pulled blood to check, suggested giving banamine and keeping off grain. He's acting pretty lethargic by now, laying down a lot but not rolling. Vet calls that night and says white count was (I believe) low which indicated a virus. Suggested keeping him quarantined since he could be contagious, banamine and only grass hay or soaked alfalfa to eat.
Sunday morning, have to call vet back out as he was not drinking good and hadn't pooped much and just seemed to be feeling worse. She comes back out, checks vitals and all again, tubes him, puts more water in him because poop is even harder but still no blockage. (I think this is all she done this day.) He's still acting lethargic and not much interest in eating except for grass.
Monday....by now, temp is starting to come down and he has an appetite so we start thinking we're beating the virus. Then we get a new "problem." He starts this weird head slinging/shaking thing, licking his lips, wiggling his lips, stretching and holding his head out or off to the side like something in his throat is bothering him. All of our immediate thoughts go to the complications of the first tubing then adding a second one after that. Still lethargic and just lying down and getting up constantly throughout the day. Staying in touch with vet on a regular basis at this point...when I asked about the head shaking, she thought maybe he was having some reflux or possibly trying to get ulcers from being on the banamine with empty stomach so she was going to drop Gastroguard off on Tuesday.....
Stay with me please, I know this is very long. So Tuesday she goes by and just checks him out again after watching head slinging and still acting lethargic with no normal ulcer signs. She pulls more blood as she can tell something still isn't right.
Calls last night and says that liver values are increased leading her to believe possibly a whole new viral or bacterial infection possibly while his immune system has been weak. Even though he's been drinking pretty good the last few days, she says he's severely dehydrated now and suggests bringing him to clinic for IV fluids and antibiotics.
Get him dropped off there today and I get tonight's phone call from today's exam. Now after doing an ultrasound on him this evening, she comes up with the liver looking ok and the right kidney being in very bad shape and not functioning correctly. Left kidney nowhere near as bad but is enlarged just a bit. So after finding that, she wanted to get him on fluids through the night then recheck some kind of levels of something in the morning. If the fluids have helped in the morning and we can start on some anibiotics, he has a chance but if they don't, things could go down hill fast and he possibly may not make it.
I'm so confused by all of this and I think she along with the other vets at the clinic are too! Nobody understands it and I'm running out of money! |
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| Have they catheritized and collected a urine sample, he could have a bladder/kidney infection.
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| I just haven't seen anything to compare this with I am wondering if maybe wes niles or some kind of insect bite spider or something like that - have you taken a sample of the feed he was getting and had it checked to make sure nothing toxic was in there- - I will pray for you because God knows-- Father God in Jesus name I come before you and ask for divine wisdom for the vets and owner of this horse - I pray the eyes and understanding be enlightened through your great power- and an immediate diagnoses and healing come through your wisdom and knowledge! God you know the exact issue we give this to you and we receive the health from you. In the name of Jesus Christ thank you! Amen!!!  |
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| Thanks for prayers! Not tested the hay but have been feeding out of this batch throughout the winter. As far as the bladder, she did say looked like a kidney infection in that right one. Now she's beginning to think the kidney has been the problem all along possibly. I'm just wishing she would've went ahead and started antibiotics last weekend and we might not be as bad off as we are now. Everything I'm reading about kidney infections/ disease says it's pretty rare and can have little to no symptoms until the later more serious stage of it. Often having symptoms of several other things leading to misdiagnosis.
Eta- always been on coastal Bermuda hay
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| Something in his feed or a toxic weed has been a lingering thought I've had even though he had been eating out of this bag for almost a week. Thank you for the prayers, he definitly needs them! |
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| My friend's horse went through this exact same thing. She was doing so poorly that vet recommended putting her down, insurance said no, wait a few days. Well, the mare did not improve but did not get worse for several days then she fianlly did start improving and she pulled through. They never could figure out what caused it, they ran every test in the world. Their initial thought was exposure to a toxin. Good luck and prayers.
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| jake16 - 2015-06-05 5:44 AM
What type of feed are you using?
Nothing fancy.....the Producers Pride 12% from Tractor Supply Co. He's been on this since I bought him and has done fine on it. |
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What type of feed are you using?
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-06-05 7:51 AM
My friend's horse went through this exact same thing. She was doing so poorly that vet recommended putting her down, insurance said no, wait a few days. Well, the mare did not improve but did not get worse for several days then she fianlly did start improving and she pulled through. They never could figure out what caused it, they ran every test in the world. Their initial thought was exposure to a toxin. Good luck and prayers.
Thanks! I have been reading on every symptom he's had and have seen a lot of links to a toxin...not sure how they determine about that but I do wonder. Vet says he's definitely not following the rule book with all of this. Can anybody tell me who could check the feed for toxins? |
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Location: Florida.. | The head shaking etc is most likely the tubing caused scar tissue.. and or pain..
the other it sounds like a kidney infection.. but Id also look at a new weed possibly in his pasture that could be toxic.. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:14 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-06-05 7:51 AM My friend's horse went through this exact same thing. She was doing so poorly that vet recommended putting her down, insurance said no, wait a few days. Well, the mare did not improve but did not get worse for several days then she fianlly did start improving and she pulled through. They never could figure out what caused it, they ran every test in the world. Their initial thought was exposure to a toxin. Good luck and prayers. Thanks! I have been reading on every symptom he's had and have seen a lot of links to a toxin...not sure how they determine about that but I do wonder. Vet says he's definitely not following the rule book with all of this. Can anybody tell me who could check the feed for toxins?
Pm Rachellyn80 on here. She can tell you a lot about testing feed and recognizing poisoning from feed, unfortunately. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-06-05 8:39 AM
The head shaking etc is most likely the tubing caused scar tissue.. and or pain..
the other it sounds like a kidney infection.. but Id also look at a new weed possibly in his pasture that could be toxic..
That's the only logical explanation I'm coming up with for the head shaking although vet won't agree with me, I guess because then that problem would be on her. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-05 8:41 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:14 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-06-05 7:51 AM My friend's horse went through this exact same thing. She was doing so poorly that vet recommended putting her down, insurance said no, wait a few days. Well, the mare did not improve but did not get worse for several days then she fianlly did start improving and she pulled through. They never could figure out what caused it, they ran every test in the world. Their initial thought was exposure to a toxin. Good luck and prayers. Thanks! I have been reading on every symptom he's had and have seen a lot of links to a toxin...not sure how they determine about that but I do wonder. Vet says he's definitely not following the rule book with all of this. Can anybody tell me who could check the feed for toxins?
Ok, thanks for the help! |
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-05 7:41 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:14 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-06-05 7:51 AM My friend's horse went through this exact same thing. She was doing so poorly that vet recommended putting her down, insurance said no, wait a few days. Well, the mare did not improve but did not get worse for several days then she fianlly did start improving and she pulled through. They never could figure out what caused it, they ran every test in the world. Their initial thought was exposure to a toxin. Good luck and prayers. Thanks! I have been reading on every symptom he's had and have seen a lot of links to a toxin...not sure how they determine about that but I do wonder. Vet says he's definitely not following the rule book with all of this. Can anybody tell me who could check the feed for toxins?
This ^^^. One bite of a feed that has a high level of toxin in it could cause this. Or it could be a build up of the toxins over time and the stress from the move (even though he didn't appear stressed) could have lowered his immune system just enough to allow the toxins to take over and symptoms to arise. I wouldn't give him another bite of that feed if it were me. |
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| KCT82 - 2015-06-05 8:27 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-06-05 8:39 AM
The head shaking etc is most likely the tubing caused scar tissue.. and or pain..
the other it sounds like a kidney infection.. but Id also look at a new weed possibly in his pasture that could be toxic..
That's the only logical explanation I'm coming up with for the head shaking although vet won't agree with me, I guess because then that problem would be on her.
I disagree the head shaking problem would be the vets problem if it turned out to be due to scoping.
You consented to the scope, you as a horse owner should have informed yourself on the potential complications that can arise then determine if the risk is worth the benefit.
Horse owners need to educate themselves more, we research our own medical procedures and weight the pros and cons before we ever give a doctor consent, so why don't we do the same thing with horses?
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Location: Florida.. | cheryl makofka - 2015-06-05 10:00 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 8:27 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-05 8:39 AM The head shaking etc is most likely the tubing caused scar tissue.. and or pain..
the other it sounds like a kidney infection.. but Id also look at a new weed possibly in his pasture that could be toxic.. That's the only logical explanation I'm coming up with for the head shaking although vet won't agree with me, I guess because then that problem would be on her. I disagree the head shaking problem would be the vets problem if it turned out to be due to scoping. You consented to the scope, you as a horse owner should have informed yourself on the potential complications that can arise then determine if the risk is worth the benefit. Horse owners need to educate themselves more, we research our own medical procedures and weight the pros and cons before we ever give a doctor consent, so why don't we do the same thing with horses?
I certainly would NOT place blame on vet .. when tubing or scoping it happens.. soreness, scar tissue, stratched. bleeding etc.. it happens more then not.. I was simply saying that may be the reason and id not be looking directly at that as a symptom of his condition although he may have a infection of some sort in gutteral pouch or ears.. but it will subside if not.. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:06 AM jake16 - 2015-06-05 5:44 AM What type of feed are you using? Nothing fancy.....the Producers Pride 12% from Tractor Supply Co. He's been on this since I bought him and has done fine on it.
I'm so sorry that you're going through this....
Anytime you open a new bag of feed and a horse becomes sick you should be suspicious enough to make sure you rule it out as a source of the illness, even if you have more than one horse eating the same feed.
I would suggest adding some probiotics to his diet no matter what. I'm not familiar with the feed that he is on to know what you might be dealing with. There is always a possibility of a mixing error at a feed mill, even if it's not technically a contaminant. Mineral imbalances can cause horses to become sick as well. I would be very suspicious of him ingesting a toxin with the little bit of information that you have given here. Fluids, supportive care, and searching for whatever caused this reaction in his environment or food are all that I can suggest. The probiotics will help get his digestive tract back in line and help prevent colic. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-05 10:09 AM
Does he drink water out of a bucket/barrel or is it an automatic waterier?
He has had a tub in the pasture. No lake acces either. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 11:05 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 7:06 AM jake16 - 2015-06-05 5:44 AM What type of feed are you using? Nothing fancy.....the Producers Pride 12% from Tractor Supply Co. He's been on this since I bought him and has done fine on it.
Anytime you open a new bag of feed and a horse becomes sick you should be suspicious enough to make sure you rule it out as a source of the illness, even if you have more than one horse eating the same feed.
I would suggest adding some probiotics to his diet no matter what. I'm not familiar with the feed that he is on to know what you might be dealing with. There is always a possibility of a mixing error at a feed mill, even if it's not technically a contaminant. Mineral imbalances can cause horses to become sick as well. I would be very suspicious of him ingesting a toxin with the little bit of information that you have given here. Fluids, supportive care, and searching for whatever caused this reaction in his environment or food are all that I can suggest. The probiotics will help get his digestive tract back in line and help prevent colic.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:06 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-05 10:09 AM Does he drink water out of a bucket/barrel or is it an automatic waterier? He has had a tub in the pasture. No lake acces either.
OK glad that hes got a tub, I knew of a horse that was taking to a new place and all they had was automatic wateriers and he was not drinking hardley at all and he colic because he was not drinking enought water was scare of the wateriers that was in his stall. |
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| Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. |
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Location: Central Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems.
Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ampratt - 2015-06-05 10:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it.
My thoughts on this too, please dont be deworming untill this horse is back to feeling and eating good, I would give him a least a month. I would talk to your vet about deworming him if this is what he needs. Good luck to you and your horse hope that everything stays good  |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 11:45 AM
KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away!
Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems.
Yes ma'am, you are probably right on the BUN. I couldn't much understand her on the phone because our phones break up every time she calls. She had just done a fecal egg count the week before all of this started when she done his vacc's and floated teeth. Results came back that he had a low count but she did want me to go ahead and deworm him. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | ampratt - 2015-06-05 10:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-06-05 10:45 AM KCT82 - 2015-06-05 10:20 AM Just heard from vet with morning update! GOOD NEWS!!!!! He has responded well to fluids, head shaking stopped again. BMU (?) levels are back down and he's feeling more perky. Ate two flakes of hay and half a scoop of their feed. Going to start a round of antibiotics and keep him a little longer to make sure he's going to stay hydrated on his own. Thank you for all the prayers and suggestions!! I knew this was the place to come for something like this! I am going to persue getting his feed checked just to find out. Definitly will be throwing the rest of that bag away! Great! I'm glad you've gotten some good news...Did she maybe mean BUN levels? That's the blood urea nitrogen level that they use to determine liver and kidney function.
Another question: Has she done a fecal egg count? Parasitic migration can cause things like this to happen as well. Even if you have them on a good deworming schedule/rotation sometimes the timing can be off or things can slip by. You might want to do a PowerPac and then follow up in 5 days with Quest Plus. That would knock many of the species of parasites that could be causing him problems. Just an FYI, worming is great but don't worm him until he is stable and the vet oks it. Most labels will advise you not to worm a sick horse. Just throwing that info ourt there in case you didn't think about it.
I'm sorry! I didn't think about specifying that. When my gelding was going through feed toxicity we did go ahead and do a PowerPac on him. His system was so stressed that he had a HUGE egg load hatch out just six weeks after having a clean fecal. So in his case it was in our best interest to go ahead and get that under control. |
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| You have received some good advice on here. I would definitely have the feed tested and in the meanwhile I would be calling the manufacturer of your grain and ask if they also process medicated cattle feeds. If the answer is yet then ask if they process their equine feeds on the same machines. If that answer is yes then it's definite red flag for your feed - even trace amounts of ionophores can be toxic to horses. I hope your horse is okay!! |
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| I haven't dewormed him since all of this has been going on and definitly wouldn't unless vet recommended it right now. I do plan to check on the feed for toxins since all of this was so sudden and unexplainable. I appreciate all of your suggestions and support! Thank you so much! He's not out of the woods yet but hopefully we are on the road to recovery now. |
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| Glad he is on the mend I really believe that the vaccines are the culprit. I have titers drawn on my horses spring and fall and only vaccinate as needed. And when I do have to vaccinate I always follow with a double dose of Animal Element DETOX for 10 days just to be safe. My neighbor had one she almost lost to vaccine toxcisity brought her back with Animal Element Detox and Immune builder when her Vet was stumped |
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| Sorry I've been gone a few days! It's been a busy weekend! Glad to say that he will probably get to leave the clinic tomorrow...yay for him and our bank account! I don't even want to know how much this bill is going to be!! Thank you for all of the prayers and suggestions! By the way, she did make mention of hepatitis, I had forgot about that...maybe it was the vacc's but he's never had a reaction before and he got the same ones he always gets. Anyhow....very strange, just glad he's doing better! |
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| cwgrl777 - 2015-06-07 10:52 PMSo glad to here he's doing better What vacs do u give ur horse . Find out who your vet get their vacs from and if they have changed. since last year.
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IMO it was a simple situation ... anytime you take in a new horse or take your horse to a new place especially yours that had been in seclusion away from other horses for a while. Always expect your horse or the other horses to come down sick with a new type of virus they have never encountered before ...
The only thing you can do for a virus is give a mild wide range antibiotic to assist horses own immune system so it can use all of its power to attack the virus. To fight the virus and penetrate the virus' protein shell, the horse must run a fever for his bodies defense system to destroy it.
On vaccines .. the diseases in TRIPLE EFT vaccine are the only ones that can give a horse immunity to these 5 diseases ....... all of the other vaccines for various diseases do NOT grant any immunity and the shock and stress can actually give your horse one of these diseases from the vaccine or lower his immunity allowing some other virus to attack the horse.
Looking at the time interval ... looks like horse healed up from getting stabbed by the tubing given by an amateur vet... you are lucky vet did not run it down into his lungs and really create some permanent damage!!
When it comes to horses or humans catching a virus .... time is your best friend and as long as they are eating at least half of what they normally do ... things usually turn out fine in 7-10 days .... there is no antibiotic made to attack any type of virus!!
Looks like your pocketbook has done the most suffering in this unfortunate episode ...
I always think along these lines when dealing with doctors, lawyers or vets.... "50% of them graduated in the lower half of their class"
With the vet fees you could have built you a fence on your new place...
GOOD LUCK AND HOPING ALL IS WELL ..
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Location: Texas, and loving it | I didn't read all the replies but we had a mare do this same thing. She had hepititis. We were waiting on the insurance company to ok putting her down. We had her blood tested several times over a two week period. It finally showed up, were told that can happen sometimes. Treated her, took awhile before she gained all the weight back, but she was as strong as ever. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Glad he is doing better but still praying for you. |
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Even vets are puzzled! Please help!!! Anybody experienced anything like this!!??