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AMERICAN PHAROAH ran the 6th fastest time for the BELMONT ..
WS did a nice video comparison and we thank them for the effort!!
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Location: Dubach, LA | Cool. Now if someone could overlay the two horses. AP is great and Secretariat is legend.
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| Murphy - 2015-06-09 11:27 AM
I'm not sure the obsession is with comparing the two. They both ran a hell of a race and deserve their own individual credit.
Every great horse that ever graces the track will be compared to Secretariat. I do not understand the reasoning behind it either.
ETA: It is fun to compare stride length and angel and the two races together however!
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Location: sunny california | I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL |
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Location: sunny california | I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up. |
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| kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:13 PM
I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL
I remember that the jockey stated at the time he just let him go on the back side and that big red just did it on his own.
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Location: sunny california | Whiteboy - 2015-06-09 10:28 AM I think it is neat to compare. Now I want to weigh AP's heart.
ya mee too. if his heart is more like a normal horse heart then you almost have to side with him. It is like he ran with a disability LOL |
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| kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:16 PM
I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up.
They didn't give up they where running hard for second place. Any way you look at it AP was 2 seconds slower than Secretariat who still holds the world record on dirt at the mile and a half. |
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Location: sunny california | jbhoot - 2015-06-09 10:30 AM kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:16 PM I think if AP raced secretariat they might have each been a little faster. or on second though AP might have quit after having his doors blown off. that reasoning might also explain why secretaiats field was so far back at some point the horses just give up. They didn't give up they where running hard for second place. Any way you look at it AP was 2 seconds slower than Secretariat who still holds the world record on dirt at the mile and a half.
the jockeys were running for second, not the horses. I feel bad for them. imagine showing up and tossing your head around like you are the cats meow and getting beat so badly. they prolly had a pretty bad case of horsey depression after that race |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | kwanatha - 2015-06-10 10:13 AM
I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL
Maybe more horses but I can't say stronger field...I believe Sham's time in the Kentucky Derby is still the second fastest ever run, only other horse to run it under 2 minutes. Secretariat just took the heart right out of him, game little horse that was asked to chase down a legend, he gave his guts.
I think it is safe to say it would be a great race either way. Secretariat ran that day for the shear fun of running, imagine what he would have done maybe with a horse to push him the entire way... |
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Location: sunny california | run n rate - 2015-06-09 10:50 AM kwanatha - 2015-06-10 10:13 AM I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL Maybe more horses but I can't say stronger field...I believe Sham's time in the Kentucky Derby is still the second fastest ever run, only other horse to run it under 2 minutes. Secretariat just took the heart right out of him, game little horse that was asked to chase down a legend, he gave his guts. I think it is safe to say it would be a great race either way. Secretariat ran that day for the shear fun of running, imagine what he would have done maybe with a horse to push him the entire way...
I only say stronger feild because if ap was 16 lengths behind then his field was 20 lengths behind secretariat. in secretariates race his field was 30 lengths behind. |
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Location: North Dakota | Every single horse that has won those 3 races is great. Secretariat was a freak. He was a big fast horse with literally a huge heart. Because of that it's not completely fair to be comparing "normal" horses to him. I'm not interested in comparing them because they're all special, amazing horses in their own way. AP is "my" triple crown horse though, because I've been waiting my entire life to see a triple crown winner and he did it. |
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Location: North Dakota | American Pharoah had the second fastest time in the Belmont out of all Triple Crown winners. He led wire to wire and won by 5 1/2 lengths. He also defeated the biggest field in Triple Crown history and was the only horse in 2015 to run in all legs of the Triple Crown (only one horse ran in the Preakness) so in other words he ran in a field full of fesh legs. I don't think anyone will ever compare to Secretariat but American Pharoah is a legend in his own right. Now I am rooting for him to take home the Breeder's Cup as well. :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Murphy - 2015-06-09 10:27 AM I'm not sure the obsession is with comparing the two. They both ran a hell of a race and deserve their own individual credit.
I have to agree with this. Love them both, they were/are both great horses. Hopefully AP will become a super sire. |
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SECRETARIAT won the triple crown in 1973 while running 12 races that year ... 6 including the triple crown races and then 6 others afterwards coming in 2nd in two of these. His LTE's are ... 21 16-3-1 $1,616,808 and per race avg is $62,705
AMERICAN PHAROAH won the triple crown in 2015 while running 5 races so far in 2015..... they will run him in the Breeders Cup for sure since it has a 5 million dollar purse ...
LTE"S are 8 7-0-0 $4,530,300 and per race avg is $566,288 .... |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-09 7:01 PM
You have to respect the other jockeys and owners for not putting a couple of rabbits in to try to tire AMERICAN PHAROAH out early in the race or run up on his heels and herd him into a faster pace on the backside like they have done other contenders that were not from the blue blood state of Kentucky. If anyone was going to win the triple crown ... it was going to be one of their own blue bloods ..
SECRETARIAT won the triple crown in 1973 while running 12 races that year ... 6 including the triple crown races and then 6 others afterwards coming in 2nd in two of these. His LTE's are ... 21 16-3-1 $1,616,808 and per race avg is $62,705
AMERICAN PHAROAH won the triple crown in 2015 while running 5 races so far in 2015..... they will run him in the Breeders Cup for sure since it has a 5 million dollar purse ...
LTE"S are 8 7-0-0 $4,530,300 and per race avg is $566,288 ....
Since the purses have changed dramatically since 1973 I do not see how your average per race relates. To me a better comparison would be their times run in the same races. Example American Pharoah ---Derby 2.03.o2 Preakness 1.58.46 Belmont 2.26.65 Secretariat ran ---- Derby 159 2/5 Preakness 153.00 Belmont 224.00 So if they had run head to head Secretariat would not only won but American Pharoah would not have even placed in the Derby or the Preakness if he had run in 1973. Now don't get me wrong I think American Pharoah is one heck of a horse he is the best by far 3 year old this year. And I am happy that he is a new member in a vary small club of TC winners he deserves to be there. |
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Location: Where I need to be | This has probably already been said, but Secretariat is on AP's papers. Lots of good horses on AP's papers. |
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Location: Arkansas | I just asked my daddy if he thought horses are better now and that's why this year's field was closer bunched, or if he thought Big Red was just THAT much better-----he says BR was just that great a horse. I think I agree----what an athlete.
ETA I am an AP fan thru and thru----I take nothing away from him. I got chills watching him enter that rarified club of TC winners! What a great thing he and his connections did for racing that day.
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Location: Montana | Personally I think each horse is great in their own right. I mean, American Pharoah beat the largest Belmont Stakes field. And you don't know, if he had been put in a race with Secretariat, he may have upped his speed too. But I do believe that Secretariat was inded an uncommon horse, that is why no one else has been able to come close to his times. Does that mean other horses are bad? No, not at all, it just means they are different and came along at different times.
I love American Pharoah...he was one of the horses I had picked for the Kentucky Derby (I picked three), he's who I had pegged for the Preakness and thrilled when he came in through that mud bog, and I was ecstatic when he won the Belmont and the Triple Crown. Even though I couldn't watch the Belmont Stakes because I was at church I just had this feeling that he was going to win, that my friend was going to text me that he won, and he certainly did. American Pharoah has been the only horse (so far) during my lifetime to complete a Triple Crown, and I'm glad for him, his owners, and his trainers. And I always look forward to next year! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | kwanatha - 2015-06-09 12:55 PM
run n rate - 2015-06-09 10:50 AM kwanatha - 2015-06-10 10:13 AM I would like to see an overlay! also of the whole field. it does look like to me that AP contended with a stronger field overall. I also wonder if that race was secretariats best because he had to wonder why the jockey was still riding him as the race was clearly over a long time ago LOL Maybe more horses but I can't say stronger field...I believe Sham's time in the Kentucky Derby is still the second fastest ever run, only other horse to run it under 2 minutes. Secretariat just took the heart right out of him, game little horse that was asked to chase down a legend, he gave his guts. I think it is safe to say it would be a great race either way. Secretariat ran that day for the shear fun of running, imagine what he would have done maybe with a horse to push him the entire way...
The only problem here is, in 1973 they didn't record times of non-winning horses... So Sham's time is an estimate. Being 2 1/2 lengths behind they figured 1:59 3/5 (.6) in the Derby. That comes out to be 1/5 second behind Big Red's win at 1:59 2/5 (.4) ...and Sham knocked out 2 teeth in the starting gate just before they ran.
But never forget... When Big Red won the Belmont and broke the old record... He didn't just shave it off... He smashed the old record by 2 3/5 seconds.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | My biggest gripe about any of it....is that yes Secretariat was and is a legend.....but everybody seems to have forgotten that two more horses won the Triple Crown AFTER Secretariat....
Seattle Slew and Affirmed. Any horse that wins the TC is a legend.
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Location: Texas | missroselee - 2015-06-10 2:16 PM
My biggest gripe about any of it....is that yes Secretariat was and is a legend.....but everybody seems to have forgotten that two more horses won the Triple Crown AFTER Secretariat....
Seattle Slew and Affirmed. Any horse that wins the TC is a legend.
On a side note....did nobody see Honor Code in the Met Life Mile?
they didn't do it like secretariat did though. That is why everyone goes back to secretariat, not them. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | pinx05 - 2015-06-10 3:50 PM missroselee - 2015-06-10 2:16 PM My biggest gripe about any of it....is that yes Secretariat was and is a legend.....but everybody seems to have forgotten that two more horses won the Triple Crown AFTER Secretariat....
Seattle Slew and Affirmed. Any horse that wins the TC is a legend.
On a side note....did nobody see Honor Code in the Met Life Mile? they didn't do it like secretariat did though. That is why everyone goes back to secretariat, not them.
Yes but it doesn't really matter how it was done. Just the fact that it was done is legendary in itself......
Not to mention that although a great horse, Secretariat did NOT go on to be a great producer. His only claim to producing was the mares that produced great ones themselves. Seattle Slew and Affirmed went on to be great producers as well.
Secretariat was a freak, plain and simple.....and probably the likes that we will never see again. American Pharoah is a legend, like all the TC winners. Hopefully he produces as well.
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Location: Oklahoma | I think the Affirmed/Alydar rivalry of 1978 in the Triple Crown races deserves much more recognition than it receives. That was hands down one of the best years in racing. |
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| SKM - 2015-06-10 3:31 PM
Secretariat won those 3 races in a total of 5 weeks. AP had an extra week off between the Preakness and Belmont for a total of those 3 races in 6 weeks. That extra week is a HUGE advantage. AP is a great horse. But Secretariat was a spectacular horse.
There have always been 3 weeks between the Preakness and Belmont. Secretariat had those 3 weeks too. May 19, 1973 (Preakness) to June 9, 1973 (Belmont).
ETA: There are two weeks between the Derby and Preakness.
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| missroselee - 2015-06-10 3:59 PM pinx05 - 2015-06-10 3:50 PM missroselee - 2015-06-10 2:16 PM My biggest gripe about any of it....is that yes Secretariat was and is a legend.....but everybody seems to have forgotten that two more horses won the Triple Crown AFTER Secretariat....
Seattle Slew and Affirmed. Any horse that wins the TC is a legend.
On a side note....did nobody see Honor Code in the Met Life Mile? they didn't do it like secretariat did though. That is why everyone goes back to secretariat, not them.
Not to mention that although a great horse, Secretariat did NOT go on to be a great producer. His only claim to producing was the mares that produced great ones themselves. Seattle Slew and Affirmed went on to be great producers as well.
Secretariat was a freak, plain and simple.....and probably the likes that we will never see again. American Pharoah is a legend, like all the TC winners. Hopefully he produces as well.
Secretariat would have been a freak and a legend even if he had never won the triple crown.
that is a fact i bred to mare to to first secratary the app son of his they were junk i had a cleft plalet colt we put down 3500.00 stud fee
a total waste in hindsight
he never produced but his grand daughters do
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SKM - 2015-06-10 3:31 PM
Secretariat won those 3 races in a total of 5 weeks. AP had an extra week off between the Preakness and Belmont for a total of those 3 races in 6 weeks. That extra week is a HUGE advantage. AP is a great horse. But Secretariat was a spectacular horse.
There have always been 3 weeks between the Preakness and Belmont. Secretariat had those 3 weeks too. May 19, 1973 (Preakness ) to June 9, 1973 (Belmont ).
ETA: There are two weeks between the Derby and Preakness.
I had read somewhere that Secretariat did it in 5 weeks. Guess you just can't trust everything you read on the internet, lol! I do feel sorry for Sham. He was a really great horse but had the misfortune of being in the same foaling year as Secretariat. |
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| SKM - 2015-06-10 4:45 PM Just Plain Lucky - 2015-06-10 2:28 PM SKM - 2015-06-10 3:31 PM Secretariat won those 3 races in a total of 5 weeks. AP had an extra week off between the Preakness and Belmont for a total of those 3 races in 6 weeks. That extra week is a HUGE advantage. AP is a great horse. But Secretariat was a spectacular horse. There have always been 3 weeks between the Preakness and Belmont. Secretariat had those 3 weeks too. May 19, 1973 (Preakness ) to June 9, 1973 (Belmont ). ETA: There are two weeks between the Derby and Preakness. I had read somewhere that Secretariat did it in 5 weeks. Guess you just can't trust everything you read on the internet, lol! I do feel sorry for Sham. He was a really great horse but had the misfortune of being in the same foaling year as Secretariat.
Big Red DID do it all in 5 weeks and so have all who came after him.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I saw him run his races as an 8 year old little girl and I still get chills re-watching the footage. I remember going to bed dreaming that one day I would ride a horse like Secretariat...none of us ever will, he is a one and only, what he had you can try to breed for but chances are you'll never reproduce. But it did give me a life long passion for big red horses with good foot speed and sheer joy of using it, have 3 with his name on their papers and named our tiny little horse operation such as it is 31 Lengths Farms. That race was EPIC, never to be repeated is my bet. AP is a great colt, no doubt about it and I hope that he is able to reproduce some of what he has...the world could use it!!! |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | It is 5 weeks either way you slice it. Kentucky Derby, two weeks later, Preakness, 3 weeks later Belmont...5 weeks. Only the brave and gutsy survive!!! I tip my hat to any of them that run all 3 races and continue to look thru a bridle for the remainder of their 3 year old year. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TwistedK - 2015-06-10 3:06 PM
I think the Affirmed/Alydar rivalry of 1978 in the Triple Crown races deserves much more recognition than it receives. That was hands down one of the best years in racing.
I think we people that were young in the 70s got spoiled.... After all, we had 3 triple crown winners in a 5 year span.....
When Big Red won, it was a fluke that nobody thought could happen again...
When Affirmed won, it became a fluke that we had a 25 year gap between Citation (1948) and Secretariat (1973)...
Then it stopped happening for 37 years....
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Location: SE Louisiana | Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out.. |
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| komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat. |
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jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway ) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat.
We are not arguing about much difference in time I think the confusion is because they use to measure in 5th's of a second and now it is in 100's. The old way sham was 2/5 th's behind using 100th's he would be .50 seconds behind either way Sham was a heck of a horse. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:36 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 6:15 PM
jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway ) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat.
We are not arguing about much difference in time I think the confusion is because they use to measure in 5th's of a second and now it is in 100's. The old way sham was 2/5 th's behind using 100th's he would be .50 seconds behind either way Sham was a heck of a horse.
Actually 2/5 would translate into .40.. but you are right... Sham WAS a great horse and had he been born one year earlier or later I have no doubt we would have had 4 triple crown winners in the 70s. Sham IS among the elite group of horses that have run the last quarter of the Derby in under 24 seconds.. I feel sorry that most of the time he was looking at Red's backside. |
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At one point there was almost 4 seconds difference. AP maintained his 24+ seconds per 1/4 mile from start to finish and SEC picked it up and moved to the 24 second speed in the last half mile and with his fast first 1/4 reduced his overall time...
Most TB's will run at 24-25 ft stride lengths and then there are those that can run at 26-28 ft stride lengths while maintaining their breathing and momentum. Jockeys on both changed to right leads as they entered the home stretch to give their horses a fresh side to run on ...
Listen to your track announcers at tracks ... they will still call the race in 5th's whether it is in full seconds or like AP's timer was in thousandths of a second and got called in the 5th's manner.
If you are wondering how the PP numbers float around at the bottom of the screen to show each horses place in the entire race works .... big tracks now have wifi bar code readers setup and each horse has a bar code attached to his headstall. Similar to the readers they have set up on toll roads ... lol
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Who set the gates up at the proper distance
Where did all those guys come from milling around the gates
Arrival of the pony horses for the post parade
Where they go after the gates open
Where the gates go and all the headers and ground crew go after the race starts
Most ignored and unseen are the outriders on horse back positioned around the track with usually two posted at turns or any openings around the track 10-12 is a usual number.. see if you can see them parked against the outside rail inside the track... and don't miss the one with his back to you right after the race starts ..
and then figure out how the pony riders ended up across the finish line to pickup their mounts to lead back to the finish line .. lol
Where did all the people and trophies come from that are now in the winners circle
These are just some of the obvious things no one notices when at a race track event ...
every 25-30 minutes .. for 10+ races ...
and you think your job is stressful ..
lol ....
https://youtu.be/WyDcXtVb8_U
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-06-11 3:51 PM
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Interesting tidbit, Secretariat's heart weighed 26 lbs. The largest in history. Sham's was the 2nd largest in history at 14 lbs.
That said, I have no idea why people are comparing Secretariat and AP. It doesn't make any sense to me. |
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| Leo - 2015-06-11 5:18 PM Interesting tidbit, Secretariat's heart weighed 26 lbs. The largest in history. Sham's was the 2nd largest in history at 14 lbs. That said, I have no idea why people are comparing Secretariat and AP. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Affirmed and Seattle Slew seem to be getting glossed over....whick sucks in my opinion. BUT, Secretariat sure did do it impressively. 31 lengths on the longest, most challenging race in the TC. He set a record that still stands today....42 years later and many generations of superb horses have not been able to catch up to it.
That said, I kind of get it. AP won in a similar style (progressively getting faster, still pulling away at the finish). Secretariat, whether we like it or not, is the horse that Joe Shmoe will "maybe" recognize. He got his own (poorly executed) movie, lol.
37 years of TC heartbreak have been put to rest...people are going to talk about and compare the TC winners whether it makes sense or not.
Edited by Just Plain Lucky 2015-06-11 5:48 PM
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