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Location: So. Cali. | Out of curiousity. When you list a horse for sale that is not 'firm' at the advertised price, what kind of wiggle room do you usually allow yourself? $500, $ 1,000.00, etc. I am sure it depends on the price range of course as well and the 'fit'. Just wondering what others allow.
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | usually $500 but on the more expensive ones around $1000.. I really like it when people pay what I ask, LOL, but understand how it goes. |
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| Depends on the price range. If I wanted to sell a horse for $5,000 I would probably advertise it between $5,500-6000. If I wanted to sell a horse for $15,000 I would probably start around $17,500. |
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| I hate having to dicker on price. Put the price tag on it, if it is worth it to me I'll buy it. If I think it is too high I'll pass. But I know there is the group of people that "need" a deal on everything. But wouldn't it be so much simpler if the price was the price...take it or leave it. |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-06-11 11:37 AM
I hate having to dicker on price. Put the price tag on it, if it is worth it to me I'll buy it. If I think it is too high I'll pass. But I know there is the group of people that "need" a deal on everything. But wouldn't it be so much simpler if the price was the price...take it or leave it.
Yes!! Maybe I'm a fool but I always have just paid asking. If I like the horse enough to make an offer, I figure why not. I only look at those in my price range in the first place.
As a seller, it depends on how 'sellable' the horse is and how fast I need to sell. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| That is probably why I'm a terrible seller. I start at my bottom dollar and then let them talk me down. lol |
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Location: mi | I know most people want to feel like they got a deal so I price mine about 20% above what I would have to have for them to leave my farm. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | My husband heard a way of asking for lowest dollar so as not to insult and waste everyones time. We tried it recently on a camping trailer and it worked great.
Just ask the seller-What is your lowest price you are willing to take. Whatever it is, I will either accept or thank you for your time. I won't try and dicker the price any further.
To me that is where the seller can either lower it some, to try and sell, or if they are firm then they let you know and away you go. To me as a seller, just knowing they aren't going to keep haggling and bumping price down when I tell price, sure makes it easy. |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-06-11 11:42 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-06-11 11:37 AM
I hate having to dicker on price. Put the price tag on it, if it is worth it to me I'll buy it. If I think it is too high I'll pass. But I know there is the group of people that "need" a deal on everything. But wouldn't it be so much simpler if the price was the price...take it or leave it.
Yes!! Maybe I'm a fool but I always have just paid asking. If I like the horse enough to make an offer, I figure why not. I only look at those in my price range in the first place.
As a seller, it depends on how 'sellable' the horse is and how fast I need to sell.
Depending on the horse, and what I feel, I usually pay asking. Thats why I appreciate it when people pay my asking price.
Like with Bunny, the minute I sat on her back, I knew that her price was a steal and I didn't want to lose it so I paid every dime of what they were asking. Same thing with our mare Hope. |
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| I know everyone is different, but I definitely feel like there is always room to negotiate unless the ad directly says "firm." There are just so many things to take into consideration. If I am the buyer and I see a horse that I want priced reasonably, then I will go and give asking price asap and it will be a done deal. If I see one I like that is maybe a little higher than I want to give, I'll wait a few weeks and if the horse is still for sale, I will offer what I want to give. You never know what the seller's situation is. If they have all the time in the world to sell the horse than maybe it is worth the extra time and effort to get that much more out of them. But maybe they have another prospect or something they want to buy, bills to pay off, just need the room, etc. You never know until you ask. Often times if a horse (especially proven) is actually priced reasonably, it will sell before the sellers even have to advertise.
If I am the seller, there are a lot of things I take into consideration on what I am willing to sell a horse for. For instance, I might offer a discounted price or take less to sell to someone who I know will go on and make a great name for my horse and won't be scared to tell others where he came from and who trained him. I am certain I'll make that difference up in the future. If it is someone who wants to blame all their problems on others, trash talk everyone they have bought a horse from, and constantly complain about how bad every horse was when they got them and they "miraculously" are so much better now, I just might double the price! :) I also look at how good of a home it will be for my horse. I guess I am just willing to not be too greedy in order to ensure the horse will have a bright future. I have no problem with someone offering me even a low-ball offer. I can always say no. I've sold enough horses to know what I have and what they are worth. I can usually see people coming, for instance, I have had several request a vet check and then say that the horse will require maintenance in the future, so I should take less. I simply tell them that the horse is what he is today, and is priced accordingly. If it is more than what you can handle, then you need to pass. It doesn't make me angry that they are bluffing to see what I would do, I just know better than to let my emotions get the best of me in situations like that.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Personally I don't usually ask about a horse unless I'm interested in paying asking price. I paid asking price on both my broodies and my gelding.
However, as a seller, I'm realistic. I do my homework before pricing. If the horse is in the 6500 range or under I leave about $500 wiggle room. If the horse is 6500-15000, I'm going to leave more like 1000-1500 wiggle room. Over 15000, I'm going to up the wiggle room to more like 2500-3000, etc.
Many buyers love to feel like they are getting a good deal. They like to see the little sticker that says Make Offer. If their offer is just not reasonable I tell them I'm just not willing to sell the horse for that and thank them for their interest. If its reasonable or in the ballpark of reasonable, I'll talk.
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| I do not believe in "wiggle room". I will price my bottom dollar and educated buyers know it is a heckuva deal !! ..
I have made exceptions voluntarily lowering price when I feel a buyer and a horse are a match and the buyer is honest and I want the horse to be at a happy barn... I have strong family values and I will help a family out with kids to buy a nice horse they might not be able to afford otherwise...
If you overprice your horses with wiggle room ... it may be out of the potential buyer's price range by $500-1000+ and you will never hear from them!!
I also give you honest information and pictures along with pedigrees to begin with where a buyer does not have to squeeze information out of me one word at a time or play the game.... "PM me.".......
.. just be honest and supply additional information in a timely manner and make the buying experience a happy occasion for seller and buyer!!
I will even add more information to the post using buyers questions as a guide so I do not have to repeat the answer multiple times.
I love to hear new owners screaming on the other end of the phone when the shipper shows up with one of my horses at their barn .....
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"OMG.. THIS IS MORE HORSE THAN I EVER HOPED FOR!!!"
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Location: Paradise , tx | Whiteboy - 2015-06-11 11:37 AM I hate having to dicker on price. Put the price tag on it, if it is worth it to me I'll buy it. If I think it is too high I'll pass. But I know there is the group of people that "need" a deal on everything. But wouldn't it be so much simpler if the price was the price...take it or leave it.
I'm with you about dickering, I just pay what is advertized- If the price is more than I can afford, I just never go to see the horse. I might go if they say the price is egotiatable On the other hand, my husband loves dickering. |
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Location: Kentucky | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-11 2:16 PM I do not believe in "wiggle room". I will price my bottom dollar and educated buyers know it is a heckuva deal !! .. I have made exceptions voluntarily lowering price when I feel a buyer and a horse are a match and the buyer is honest and I want the horse to be at a happy barn... I have strong family values and I will help a family out with kids to buy a nice horse they might not be able to afford otherwise... If you overprice your horses with wiggle room ... it may be out of the potential buyer's price range by $500-1000+ and you will never hear from them!! I also give you honest information and pictures along with pedigrees to begin with where a buyer does not have to squeeze information out of me one word at a time or play the game.... "PM me."....... .. just be honest and supply additional information in a timely manner and make the buying experience a happy occasion for seller and buyer!! I will even add more information to the post using buyers questions as a guide so I do not have to repeat the answer multiple times. I love to hear new owners screaming on the other end of the phone when the shipper shows up with one of my horses at their barn ..... ........................ .............................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OMG.. THIS IS MORE HORSE THAN I EVER HOPED FOR!!!"
If someone wants to offer me $500 less than what I'm asking, then go for it. I believe that everyone wants to feel like they are getting a deal. Honestly, what's the harm in asking if the buyer will take any less? I do not "price up" my horses because I know I will be low-balled. I price what I feel they are worth. It's an "asking" price, not a firm price. |
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Who Wants to Trade?
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| I price at what I want to get out out of the horse. Sometimes what I want and what I need are the same thing and I'll tell you that. If it is just what I want, I'll tell you that too.
That said. I absolutely will NOT negotiate against myself for you. If you ask my bottom dollar I'll tell you $15 is where she is priced, I'm open to offers. I'm not going to say, oh, I guess I can come down to $14 for you. No. I expect you to make an offer. I already told you what I wanted.
I'm usually really, really easy to work with and open to different things, especially with my personal horses. If it is a client horse I can't be as flexible. |
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Location: Desert Land | It just depends on the horse and how bad I need to sell it. I only put FIRM if I am absolutely NOT going to take any less. Otherwise, I will negotiate a little depending on the situation. On colts that I have raised that are going to good hands, I am willing to negotiate to make sure they get a fair chance.
I'm glad for people WITH wiggle room. Or I wouldn't have the mare I am riding now. A friend of mine called the girl advertising her and said she liked the mare and if she was ever in a bind and would sell her for less to let her know. The seller called back a couple of weeks later and told her to bring cash and a trailer. She ended up paying less than half of what the girl was originally asking. I was skeptical at first on the quality of this horse if she was willing to go that low but the mare is exceptional...I love her! |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | I'm not actively looking to purchase a horse right now, but I always browse the ads on here....and it seems like people seem to put wiggle room into their ads here. I've seen not one but TWO horses today that are for sale and with a short amount of googling or more investigation to the ad the prices are posted for lower amounts on other websites.... Just my PSA for the day... Do your research if you really like the horse and think he/she might be out of your budget. |
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| Since 100% of the horses I've bought have come from no less than 1200 miles away, and most from much further than that, I will usually try to get shipping thrown in but pay full price on the horse.
Selling - I will usually take a bit less than I ask for, but only to a home that I know will be great for the horse. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | For me it all depends on the horse ....I have been looking for a colt gone a rode a few none of them were worth the asking price to me after I rode them and saw them in person. So I made an offer .....if they had been what they were advertising them to be I would pay the asking price. But when I show up and a horse is horrible under weight or bucks like a son of a %itch when saddle but you said he had 120 rides then no I will not spend 3k + and yes I will make an offer based on what it is going to cost me in food and riding ..... |
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| Longneck - 2015-06-11 7:57 PM
I'm not actively looking to purchase a horse right now, but I always browse the ads on here....and it seems like people seem to put wiggle room into their ads here. I've seen not one but TWO horses today that are for sale and with a short amount of googling or more investigation to the ad the prices are posted for lower amounts on other websites.... Just my PSA for the day... Do your research if you really like the horse and think he/she might be out of your budget.
I have found the same. When I was shopping for a finished horse a few years ago I was shocked how many horses I found listed on multiple sites with different prices. Same horse, same picture, different price.  |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Whiteboy - 2015-06-11 9:37 AM I hate having to dicker on price. Put the price tag on it, if it is worth it to me I'll buy it. If I think it is too high I'll pass. But I know there is the group of people that "need" a deal on everything. But wouldn't it be so much simpler if the price was the price...take it or leave it. THIS!!!! ^^^^^
I have NEVER "dickered" on the price of a horse I was interested in. I either pay the asking price, or I move on. And when I price one, THAT is how much it will take to get the horse bought.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I don't sell that often, so I'm usually guessing at what a horse will be worth. Being a guess, I will pad the price a little. If it was too cheap, the horse will sell for asking quickly. Too much, and I can read between the lines and adjust. That also gives me room to negotiate for the right home or refuse to negotiate with what I think is a bad fit. If I'm certain of a horse's value, I will price them FIRM and wait it out. |
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| roanrider - 2015-06-11 8:18 PM
Longneck - 2015-06-11 7:57 PM
I'm not actively looking to purchase a horse right now, but I always browse the ads on here....and it seems like people seem to put wiggle room into their ads here. I've seen not one but TWO horses today that are for sale and with a short amount of googling or more investigation to the ad the prices are posted for lower amounts on other websites.... Just my PSA for the day... Do your research if you really like the horse and think he/she might be out of your budget.
I have found the same. When I was shopping for a finished horse a few years ago I was shocked how many horses I found listed on multiple sites with different prices. Same horse, same picture, different price.
Ive noticed this also. I just put an offer on a prospect, priced different on multiple sites. She was very gracious and look the lower amount because she wanted him to go to a good home. I just said, I can afford one price... but not the other. They were fairly far apart. Several ads were older and didnt reflect the training he's had. |
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Sparklin Cowgirl
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| If it is worth it I will pay asking price but if I feel like it is priced more than it's worth I will try to work on the price. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Generally $500 but right now I have one standing in the pasture I want off my feed bill so I would budge a little more on him. |
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Selling Horses - Price Wiggle Room