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| Auctioneer 1st Man Charged Under California Law To Protect Horses From Slaughter June 5, 2014 12:02 AM Related Tags: Animals, Auction, Billy Ray Brown Jr., Crime, Food, Horse, Horsemeat, Humane Society, KPIX 5 Investigates, Madera, Madera County, Slaughter, Summer Rose Tex Elizabeth CookElizabeth Cook is co-anchor for KPIX 5 News at 5:00pm and 11:00pm a... Read MoreMADERA (KPIX 5 ) — They were called Lacey and Squirt, two professional rodeo horses and beloved pets. But they ended up sold for meat on someone’s dinner plate overseas. In a landmark case, a suspect has been charged with delivering at least one of them to slaughter. The case is the talk of the town in Madera. Sheriff John Anderson has arrested a well-known businessman for an almost unheard of crime. “He will be treated no differently than anyone else,” Anderson said. Billy Ray Brown Jr., son of the owner of the local B and B Livestock auction, is accused of sending a horse called Lacey out of state to slaughter for human consumption. Read More:That is a felony in California. A law was passed in 1998 to protect horses. This is the first time that it has ever been enforced. Brown is a familiar face at B and B: He is the auctioneer. So how did he get Lacey? Detective Adam McEwen said his investigation started when Lacey’s owner reported her and another horse called Squirt missing. The owner told the detective that he had given the horses to Summer Rose Tex, a brand inspector with the California Department of Food and Agriculture, whom he trusted, and whom he says promised to take them to Harris farms to retire. But instead, according to arrest records, she admitted to the owner that she had lied about where she had taken them. Tex admitted selling them to a horse dealer, who McEwen later learned sold them to Billy Brown. A paper trail led the detective across three states from California to Oregon, Washington, and across the border to a slaughterhouse in Canada. “I visited this slaughterhouse in an undercover capacity,” said Eric Sakach, a senior investigator with the Humane Society of the United States. The Humane Society supports the SAFE Act, a bill that would ban the export of horses to slaughter for human consumption. “In many cases you will see the stunner hit the horse five, six times before they are actually going down and staying down,” he said. Sakach said California is one of the only states that bans shipping horses here. And yet in 2013 over 140,000 horses went to slaughter, and many of those horses came from California. KPIX 5 couldn’t find Brown, but did meet up with his father, Billy Brown Sr. “There’s nothing to be said, instructions from the attorney, until its done,” he said. Then he proceeded to kick us out. McEwen and his boss Sheriff Anderson said they are confident there will be a conviction, because Brown admitted using a fake name in the deal. “He picked the name out of the phone book,” said McEwen. But McEwen said the signature was just like Brown’s. “It was painfully obvious that it had been forged. We asked him, ‘If this deal you are saying is legit, then why not use your own information?’” the detective said. He said Brown told him that from selling horses in the past that he had aroused the suspicion of Canadian authorities. At one time or another they inquired why he was bringing so many horses to the facility. Summer Rose Tex faces grand theft charges in the case. Her attorney said she never made any promises to the owner of the horses and had no idea they were going to go to slaughter. She is on administrative leave while the Department of Food and Agriculture investigates. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | Not really we here in CO have a huge problem with this right now. At a local auction the auctioner will not take bids from anyone not a kill buyer and the local kill buyer is reselling all the horses he now get to a "rescues" for 2x the auction price ....it's all over FB....look up be where of the Colorado fed lot page. Colorado feed lot horses. And northern Colorado horse auctions. It would do some good for those crooks to be scared straight. |
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Location: Kansas | I wonder how many anti-slaughter people are going to pay for these horses feed/care/expenses out of their own pockets? |
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Location: The edge of no where | Rodeo_cowgirl - 2015-06-12 3:41 PM Not really we here in CO have a huge problem with this right now. At a local auction the auctioner will not take bids from anyone not a kill buyer and the local kill buyer is reselling all the horses he now get to a "rescues" for 2x the auction price ....it's all over FB....look up be where of the Colorado fed lot page. Colorado feed lot horses. And northern Colorado horse auctions. It would do some good for those crooks to be scared straight.
I'm confused.. They only take bids from kill buyers? |
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Location: The edge of no where | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-06-12 3:52 PM I wonder how many anti-slaughter people are going to pay for these horses feed/care/expenses out of their own pockets?
I wish they would open it up here in the states and regulate the conditions so that it is humane. I really don't like slaughter, it makes me so sad.....but I despise backyard breeders for continuing to breed junk that they can't use and contributing to the horse over population. There were several paints on fb yesterday that someone was trying to find homes for before they went to auction...poor things were skinny and so horribly inbred that idk what you could do with them. There was a yearling that looked like a skinny weaningly. Makes me just hate people in general. You have a dink of a mare and a dink of a stud, but you breed them because they're spotted..... ARGH! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 3:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I agree but once again people don't want to take responsibility and prefer to put it on someone else's shoulders so they can turn around and act like they are the victim when they are the one that caused the problem. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-06-12 2:52 PM I wonder how many anti-slaughter people are going to pay for these horses feed/care/expenses out of their own pockets?
Exactly!!!! There is a need for slaughter in the US. We put down other animals/pets that are unwanted... Yes, it is sad. I wish we didnt have a need for it. But, we do. Quit making this a crime and wasting our money. If you are so concerned with "saving" the animals... Open up your own wallet!
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 3:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
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| Rodeo_cowgirl - 2015-06-12 3:41 PM
Not really we here in CO have a huge problem with this right now. At a local auction the auctioner will not take bids from anyone not a kill buyer and the local kill buyer is reselling all the horses he now get to a "rescues" for 2x the auction price ....it's all over FB....look up be where of the Colorado fed lot page. Colorado feed lot horses. And northern Colorado horse auctions. It would do some good for those crooks to be scared straight.
Sounds like an entrepreneur to me.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | total performance - 2015-06-12 4:22 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 3:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I agree.
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| If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
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| Can you imagine how you would feel if someone picked up your good horse and you found out it went to slaughter for someone else's profit. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | reditorun - 2015-06-12 3:38 PM If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
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| MS2011 - 2015-06-12 4:07 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-06-12 3:52 PM I wonder how many anti-slaughter people are going to pay for these horses feed/care/expenses out of their own pockets? I wish they would open it up here in the states and regulate the conditions so that it is humane. I really don't like slaughter, it makes me so sad.....but I despise backyard breeders for continuing to breed junk that they can't use and contributing to the horse over population. There were several paints on fb yesterday that someone was trying to find homes for before they went to auction...poor things were skinny and so horribly inbred that idk what you could do with them. There was a yearling that looked like a skinny weaningly. Makes me just hate people in general. You have a dink of a mare and a dink of a stud, but you breed them because they're spotted..... ARGH!
Ditto, the guy making my kitchen cabinets called me asking how to sell his non- papered, no idea of breeding 2 year old stud colt who bred his mare- uggg. I referred him to craigs list. Slaughter makes me sad too, but if it were legal here it would be minimum trauma to the horses. It needs to be legal in the US. I joined a FB page, horses for sale in Houston and the majority listed are in such poor condition it is heart breaking.
As to the article, 2 issues- if you want to keep control of your horse- keep them in your care, although I do give the owner credit for following through.
2nd is the auctioneer broke the law, but I wonder who the "owner" of these horses is/was that this is the first time they have enforced this law that has been on the books since 1998? If this will prevent a stolen horse from going to slaughter, and I don't know that it will, than that is a good thing.
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Location: The edge of no where | reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
It's not that I don't feel awful for them, but I think the lawsuit is against the wrong person. They need to go after the girl that sold the horses to him. |
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM
If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
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| MS2011 - 2015-06-12 4:46 PM reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them. It's not that I don't feel awful for them, but I think the lawsuit is against the wrong person. They need to go after the girl that sold the horses to him.
The girl is being charged with grand theft, the auctioneer is being charged because he broke the law hauling horses to Canada for slaughter and using a fake name to do it- nothing to do with how the horses ended up with him- just so happened he was hauling horses that someone was looking for and they were on his truck. I feel bad for the owners of the horses. |
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| They never made it to Harris ranch. The girl - who had been a long time friend - had set it up but sold the horses instead. She is facing grand theft charges. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-06-12 2:51 PM
MS2011 - 2015-06-12 4:46 PM reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them. It's not that I don't feel awful for them, but I think the lawsuit is against the wrong person. They need to go after the girl that sold the horses to him.
Exactly! This is not about slaughter - it's about people breaking the law.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:31 PM I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter.
I didn't see where the auctioneer had anything to do with the original deal. He was like a couple of owners removed from there, wasn't he? I was reading and posting while driving a tractor, so I may have missed something, but that was the way I read it. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 6:38 PM
ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:31 PM I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter.
I didn't see where the auctioneer had anything to do with the original deal. He was like a couple of owners removed from there, wasn't he? I was reading and posting while driving a tractor, so I may have missed something, but that was the way I read it.
Thank you ksjackofalltrades. The auctioneer knew what was going on - why else would he use a fake name to take the horses to Canada. The people that owned these horses are some of the best people you could ever meet. It breaks my heart to hear people on here call them stupid. |
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| GLP - 2015-06-12 2:48 PM
reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM
If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
Why didn't they take them there themselves?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:41 PM Using a fake name would indicate to me that he knew there was a problem with the deal. Why else would he do that?
Because he was breaking a stupid state law? |
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 8:55 PM
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reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:38 PM
If you personally knew these folks like I do and maybe knew the whole story you would not think it was stupid. These horses were not supposed to be slaughtered. They were supposed to be hauled to the Harris Ranch where they retire older horses but the girl sold them to this guy who took them to slaughter. It's not that these people are against slaughtering horses, that just wasn't the plan for these two. They were stolen from them.
Why didn't they take them there themselves?
What does this have to do with trusting your close friends?
Frankly, nothing. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it was just a question, not an attack on anyone. |
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So how did he get Lacey? Detective Adam McEwen said his investigation started when Lacey’s owner reported her and another horse called Squirt missing.
The owner told the detective that he had given the horses to Summer Rose Tex, a brand inspector with the California Department of Food and Agriculture, whom he trusted, and whom he says promised to take them to Harris farms to retire.
But instead, according to arrest records, she admitted to the owner that she had lied about where she had taken them.
Tex admitted selling them to a horse dealer, who McEwen later learned sold them to Billy Brown.
A paper trail led the detective across three states from California to Oregon, Washington, and across the border to a slaughterhouse in Canada.
“I visited this slaughterhouse in an undercover capacity,” said Eric Sakach, a senior investigator with the Humane Society of the United States.
The Humane Society supports the SAFE Act, a bill that would ban the export of horses to slaughter for human consumption
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Owner lied and reported horses missing ... that is a false police report and chargeable ...
Brand inspector which is an unnecessary government job was making a little money on the side helping people to unload horses they no longer needed .. probably didn't cover the cost of hauling them anywhere ..
HSUS are just a bunch of crooks like the Clinton's and PETA buying politicians for campaign funds or free vacation trips ..
SHERIFF is probably married to a HSUS member and doesn't like to sleep on the couch.
AUCTIONEER ... good choice on who to attack even though the horses moved thru 3 states and who knows how many different buyers before going into Canada ... trying to nail the auctioneer for a law that was instigated by PETA OR HSUS hidden in some other bill ... is like closing down the only gas station in town ...
DETECTIVE McEwen .... Private Detective hired by HSUS ... is reporting what he was paid to do ... hook the auctioneer any way he can ...
OK folks ... the only power American people have any more is power of the jury.... if decent Americans are on a jury and feel the "law" or the charges against a person is unjust then they can vote .... NOT GUILTY ... juries do not have to agree with the law nor recognize it to prosecute someone unjustly ....>>> and judges are breaking the law when they read the law and instruct the jury that they must vote for one of these choices and must prosecute the defendant ...
We see our government and our local communist politicians along with PETA and HSUS repeatedly suing someone and then finding a friendly judge they have appointed or bought off to serve papers to get a person into court ... most people do not have the money to fight charges when everyone else is being paid to prosecute you ...
Shame on horse people for their opinions against the defendants when you know that HSUS and PETA are up to no good. It is also a shame that stupid white people have created these laws and scenarios and are too dumb to come together with a national group like HSUS and PETA to push common sense of livestock ownership and whack these politicians at election time as a group. .. TOO MANY FOOLS GET RE-ELECTED FOR YEARS DUE TO OUR APATHY ...
Take NRA for instance ... every American that believes in the 2nd Amendment should be a member to support the NRA to combat gun laws so they will have the money to attack anyone .. anywhere that is trying to take that right away from our constitution and this includes the UNITED NATIONS ... grrrrrrr
Horses should be raised like cattle, hogs and chickens as a meat export to whatever countries want to eat a horse steak or roast.. if we keep up our stupid ways the muslims will have bacon, pork chops and ham removed from our supermarkets because they feel insulted.... even right now they are being paid billions for their blessing meat companies to sell their unmarked HALAL meat unknowingly to me and you!!
It is time for Americans to GET MAD AND STAY MAD long enough to get this crap stopped !!
I am going to add the coming presidential election to this discussion ... if Americans do not elect TED CRUZ who knows the constitution forward and backwards and who the crooks are in Washington as our next president and has the fortitude right now to say what he would repeal and what agencies to defund that have over reached into our lives ... we can kiss our horses, livestock and land ownership goodbye!!
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Apparently comprehension is not available to most peoples brains ... so read this again and understand the auctioneer hauled the horse no where ... that's right... ONE HORSE... was involved in this SHAM ... by none other than PETA'S little brother HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES ... who at last news blast was supposed to have lost their non-profit status for only spending 2% of millions on the welfare of animals ....
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So how did he get Lacey? Detective Adam McEwen said his investigation started when Lacey’s owner reported her and another horse called Squirt missing.
The owner told the detective that he had given the horses to Summer Rose Tex, a brand inspector with the California Department of Food and Agriculture, whom he trusted, and whom he says promised to take them to Harris farms to retire.
But instead, according to arrest records, she admitted to the owner that she had lied about where she had taken them.
Tex admitted selling them to a horse dealer, who McEwen later learned sold them to Billy Brown.
A paper trail led the detective across three states from California to Oregon, Washington, and across the border to a slaughterhouse in Canada.
“I visited this slaughterhouse in an undercover capacity,” said Eric Sakach, a senior investigator with the Humane Society of the United States.
The Humane Society supports the SAFE Act, a bill that would ban the export of horses to slaughter for human consumption
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Owner lied and reported horses missing ... that is a false police report and chargeable ...
Brand inspector which is an unnecessary government job was making a little money on the side helping people to unload horses they no longer needed .. probably didn't cover the cost of hauling them anywhere ..
HSUS are just a bunch of crooks like the Clinton's and PETA buying politicians for campaign funds or free vacation trips ..
SHERIFF is probably married to a HSUS member and doesn't like to sleep on the couch.
AUCTIONEER ... good choice on who to attack even though the horses moved thru 3 states and who knows how many different buyers before going into Canada ... trying to nail the auctioneer for a law that was instigated by PETA OR HSUS hidden in some other bill ... is like closing down the only gas station in town ...
DETECTIVE McEwen .... Private Detective hired by HSUS ... is reporting what he was paid to do ... hook the auctioneer any way he can ...
OK folks ... the only power American people have any more is power of the jury.... if decent Americans are on a jury and feel the "law" or the charges against a person is unjust then they can vote .... NOT GUILTY ... juries do not have to agree with the law nor recognize it to prosecute someone unjustly ....>>> and judges are breaking the law when they read the law and instruct the jury that they must vote for one of these choices and must prosecute the defendant ...
We see our government and our local communist politicians along with PETA and HSUS repeatedly suing someone and then finding a friendly judge they have appointed or bought off to serve papers to get a person into court ... most people do not have the money to fight charges when everyone else is being paid to prosecute you ...
Shame on horse people for their opinions against the defendants when you know that HSUS and PETA are up to no good. It is also a shame that stupid white people have created these laws and scenarios and are too dumb to come together with a national group like HSUS and PETA to push common sense of livestock ownership and whack these politicians at election time as a group. .. TOO MANY FOOLS GET RE-ELECTED FOR YEARS DUE TO OUR APATHY ...
Take NRA for instance ... every American that believes in the 2nd Amendment should be a member to support the NRA to combat gun laws so they will have the money to attack anyone .. anywhere that is trying to take that right away from our constitution and this includes the UNITED NATIONS ... grrrrrrr
Horses should be raised like cattle, hogs and chickens as a meat export to whatever countries want to eat a horse steak or roast.. if we keep up our stupid ways the muslims will have bacon, pork chops and ham removed from our supermarkets because they feel insulted.... even right now they are being paid billions for their blessing meat companies to sell their unmarked HALAL meat unknowingly to me and you!!
It is time for Americans to GET MAD AND STAY MAD long enough to get this crap stopped !!
I am going to add the coming presidential election to this discussion ... if Americans do not elect TED CRUZ who knows the constitution forward and backwards and who the crooks are in Washington as our next president and has the fortitude right now to say what he would repeal and what agencies to defund that have over reached into our lives ... we can kiss our horses, livestock and land ownership goodbye!!
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Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong.
Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
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Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong.
Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
This is exactly what happened. They were able to trace the mare because she had a brand. They were just trying to find out where they were when they traced her all the way to Canada.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
That's where the article confused me, since it said the owner GAVE the horses to the brand inspector person. I read it as owner had given them away, terminating ownership. It didn't say enlisted this person as hauler, it said gave them to her. Once you give or sell me a horse, it's mine to with as I wish regardless of what I told you I was going to do. Is it ethical to promise retirement and then sell? No. But it's not illegal either. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!! |
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| got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 10:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
I see this more and more. Lots of people "GIVE" their horses to rescues or "retirement" homes for free or whatever and when it shows up at a kill lot they are up in arms when they were the ones that gave the horse up in the first place.
Honestly a good equine retirement home will require you to pay board because you still own the horse. If you aren't paying for their care you are giving up ownership. I'm sure who ever falsified what ever did so to ship a load of horses not just trying cover up one horse and I'm sure there are others who do the same due to the law. |
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| I'm pretty sure impersonating someone is illegal and writing someone's signature is forgery too. He's already on the radar for the amout of horse he brings in so there's no telling what else he's doing. I think there is some missing parts to this article. And sounds like the auctioneer knew what he was getting, probably done it before. |
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM
pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down.
oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:45 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was ) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I just cant see sending my horses that I have had for many many years off to another place to spend the rest of their lives I want them to be with me so I can make sure they are ok and spend their lives at home with me they are my family too just like my children... |
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Location: Florida.. | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 10:45 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was ) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong.
I thought so to.. I know once you give horse away its gone.. thats not what I read happened but i am a lil confused as well. |
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Location: Florida.. | got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
I dont see one person on here that is anti slaughter? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-13 10:50 PM got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not anti slaughter either, but I have rescue a few horses and feed them up to get them back on their hoofs and find them a home that would take care of them, I hate seeing a straving animal, I would rather see them put down then to strave..I have put good money into a starving horse, so I have been there  |
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Location: Arkansas | got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
ummm think this is a story about stolen horses ending up at a slaughter plant in Candida........not about someone dumping horses at an auction ....in am not against horse slaughter in faked my collage final protect was on the benefits of it. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | shubug007 - 2015-06-13 6:09 PM I'm pretty sure impersonating someone is illegal and writing someone's signature is forgery too. He's already on the radar for the amout of horse he brings in so there's no telling what else he's doing. I think there is some missing parts to this article. And sounds like the auctioneer knew what he was getting, probably done it before.
^^^^^ By tracking of these horse, they now have concrete evidence against him.....whether or not you are for or against slaughter, he has to obey the law! |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
This is exactly the vein of the thread.
This incident of Mr. Brown being arrested occurred in 2014. He is not in jail at this time.
IMO he did break the law by forging documents and taking horses to Canada. Although I believe slaughter is not the devil and serves a purpose.
Not all the horses sold at said auction go to slaughter. I sold one last week and it did not go to slaughter.
I just do not understand people who "give" their horses to "retire" to other people to care for. If they have given you so much wouldn't you want to make sure the horses golden years where good ones. And this is in no way an attack on the people who gave their horses away in this instance.
And realistically who can afford to feed and care for a lot of (in a retirement home situation) horses that serve no purpose? So who was funding said retirement. Everyone wants to think horse retirement is all sunshine and roses but SOMEONE has to foot the bill.
And it sure seems like the bleeding hearts of the world are blindly making huge financial decisions based on emotions.
Jumping off my soapbox...lol
Just my thoughts
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-13 8:50 PM got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
yes I know not reading any anti-slaughter either............but thats always my question in my head........
I'm not sure why anyone would give their 2 horses to be put out to retirement...........it just doesn't add up in my head....
there has to be more to the story
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| It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. |
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:40 PM Can you imagine how you would feel if someone picked up your good horse and you found out it went to slaughter for someone else's profit.
I don't have to imagine! This happened to me last year! I will never forgive myself for what happened to my horse. It's sickening!! |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. Agree. Everything started with that. Is what the girl & the auctioneer did wrong? Yes...but if the owner had held up their responsibility to the two horses then none of it would have happened.
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Location: Arkansas | cantrnr - 2015-06-14 9:25 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid.
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
This is exactly the vein of the thread.
This incident of Mr. Brown being arrested occurred in 2014. He is not in jail at this time.
IMO he did break the law by forging documents and taking horses to Canada. Although I believe slaughter is not the devil and serves a purpose.
Not all the horses sold at said auction go to slaughter. I sold one last week and it did not go to slaughter.
I just do not understand people who "give" their horses to "retire" to other people to care for. If they have given you so much wouldn't you want to make sure the horses golden years where good ones. And this is in no way an attack on the people who gave their horses away in this instance.
And realistically who can afford to feed and care for a lot of (in a retirement home situation ) horses that serve no purpose? So who was funding said retirement. Everyone wants to think horse retirement is all sunshine and roses but SOMEONE has to foot the bill.
And it sure seems like the bleeding hearts of the world are blindly making huge financial decisions based on emotions.
Jumping off my soapbox...lol
Just my thoughts
My meaning was that I didn't read anywhere on here about folks being anti-slaughter. |
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Location: Arkansas | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM
It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about.
I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-14 10:49 PM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities.
Diito, that is how I feel about the 5 I have now. I have sold plenty of horses but these 5 have a special place in my heart-they range from 16- 21. 4 are still going strong competing, the 21 year old is retired due to injury, he won so much for my girls, made so many good memories for them, he has earned his retirement. I have even made my husband promise that if something happens to me he will not sale them. I told him I would come back and haunt him if anything ever happened to them :). |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about.
Exactly.......I have an old man that's 26 and just hangs out. He's earned the right to retire. I'd never trust his care to anyone else, if I couldn't afford to take care of him then I'd have him put down.
Granted, I hope the girl that did this with their horses pays dearly. There's no getting around what she did was wrong on so many levels. I still don't see the point of going after the man that was transporting them. It's a stupid CA law that he was going around, |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MS2011 - 2015-06-15 8:04 AM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. Exactly.......I have an old man that's 26 and just hangs out. He's earned the right to retire. I'd never trust his care to anyone else, if I couldn't afford to take care of him then I'd have him put down.
Granted, I hope the girl that did this with their horses pays dearly. There's no getting around what she did was wrong on so many levels. I still don't see the point of going after the man that was transporting them. It's a stupid CA law that he was going around,
We have a 27 year old that I bought 3 years ago for my daughter. He's still sound and useable, and several people have inquired about buying or borrowing him, but I just can't bring myself to let him go at his age, knowing the kind of extra care I'm giving him. I suspect his life wasn't great before he came here (he was very very thin when we bought him), and he's been good to my kids, so I'm going to be a sap and let him die with us. |
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| These ppl might have been wronged by this Summer Rose Tex girl but I would never ever entrust the well being of something I cared about so much to chance. You take care of what takes care of you. <- that is a statement I live by! I feel like these ppl are mad the horses didn't end up where they were promised or maybe we'll never know the true story but you don't make bed buddies with those two steps away from peta freaks that call themselves the Human Society of the United States.
I wish ppl would wise up and research things like the Humane Society of the United States. They would rathe line their pockets than help what they were created to help.
These ppl are at fault plain and simple you don't entrust the care of oldies to anyone but yourself. I'd be terrified be taking my oldies to one of those greener pasture program things because they simply don't get the care they should. I can't imagine taking our old gelding somewhere he didn't know at the age he is now...turns my stomach to think such a thing. Although I am the crazy lady that thinks her old registered producing heifers are too good to suffer the indignity of the sale barn LOL Its a business but some livestock are even more than just a number to me. I take care of what takes care of me and puts food on my table...honor your oldies don't throw them away to be someone else's problem! |
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-06-15 7:01 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-14 10:49 PM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities.
That's funny---I told my momma the same thing! My parents aren't horse people, so I told her who to contact concerning my horses. I told her if she didn't do what Becky said to do, or sold them, that I'd come back and haunt her! |
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 5:14 PM
These ppl might have been wronged by this Summer Rose Tex girl but I would never ever entrust the well being of something I cared about so much to chance. You take care of what takes care of you. <- that is a statement I live by! I feel like these ppl are mad the horses didn't end up where they were promised or maybe we'll never know the true story but you don't make bed buddies with those two steps away from peta freaks that call themselves the Human Society of the United States.
I wish ppl would wise up and research things like the Humane Society of the United States. They would rathe line their pockets than help what they were created to help.
These ppl are at fault plain and simple you don't entrust the care of oldies to anyone but yourself. I'd be terrified be taking my oldies to one of those greener pasture program things because they simply don't get the care they should. I can't imagine taking our old gelding somewhere he didn't know at the age he is now...turns my stomach to think such a thing. Although I am the crazy lady that thinks her old registered producing heifers are too good to suffer the indignity of the sale barn LOL Its a business but some livestock are even more than just a number to me. I take care of what takes care of me and puts food on my table...honor your oldies don't throw them away to be someone else's problem!
You said it perfectly. I just wish more people felt like this. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Just likes SKM said, if you REALLY care what happens to your geriatric horses you better keep them in your own pasture until it is time to end their life in a humane and respectful manner. Personally when a horse has given me the best years of their life, I think it is the least I can do for them. |
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Location: Florida.. | SC Wrangler - 2015-06-16 9:34 PM Just likes SKM said, if you REALLY care what happens to your geriatric horses you better keep them in your own pasture until it is time to end their life in a humane and respectful manner. Personally when a horse has given me the best years of their life, I think it is the least I can do for them.
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 8:51 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 6:38 PM
ksjackofalltrades - 2015-06-12 8:31 PM I can't believe that there are people on here that think that what this guy and girl did were alright and would blame the owners of the horses. Come on, that is fraud in the worst way, and I am all for horse slaughter.
I didn't see where the auctioneer had anything to do with the original deal. He was like a couple of owners removed from there, wasn't he? I was reading and posting while driving a tractor, so I may have missed something, but that was the way I read it.
Thank you ksjackofalltrades. The auctioneer knew what was going on - why else would he use a fake name to take the horses to Canada. The people that owned these horses are some of the best people you could ever meet. It breaks my heart to hear people on here call them stupid.
I do think the original owners are not smart
As many said if you want your horse to live a comfortable life, you keep them, this is how you have control.
There are so many crooks out there a person would be stupid to believe giving a horse to someone and think the horse will be okay.
If the horse was going to Harris ranch to love out their better lives, why didn't the owners take them there themselves, did they even speak with the Harris ranch before giving the horses to the brand inspector.
Last not the auctioneer may not have known and may have used an alias
Because he was already banned from importing horses into canada for meat. My understanding is if a horse is too weak or sick or injured to be hauled the Canadian vet who over sees the processing plant can ban them for life |
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