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| lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-14 2:34 PM
How long does this procedure typically last? One show? One month? One season?
yes
and it maybe won't work at all.
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Location: In my own world | If the blister works it will last. It's not like an injection. But my vet said don't waste your money. Have them split instead |
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Location: Beggs, OK | readytorodeo - 2015-06-14 5:16 PM You blister three days straight.
I think she is probably asking about an internal blister....
I recently had an 8 year old gelding done. He was catching pretty frequently and this is what Dr. White suggested. We blistered him and I worked him every day for two weeks....after a month he was definitely better, but would still catch occasionally, so we blistered him again. I brought him home and worked him every day for two weeks and he hasn't caught since. Sometimes once is not enough. |
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Location: North Ga. Mountains | Explain the difference in blistering stifles versus injecting... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | On The Road Again - 2015-06-15 3:30 PM Explain the difference in blistering stifles versus injecting...
Blister is injecting an irritant in the soft tissue around the joint. Injecting the joint is, well, injecting the joint with HA and possibly a type of steroid. |
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Location: North Ga. Mountains | Probably should have worded that differently. What are the different effects of the joint? |
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Location: Texas | You inject the stifle joint to reduce inflammation and you blister the stifle ligaments creating inflamation to tighten them. It's two different procedures for two different reasons. |
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| Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired. |
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 5:28 PM
Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired.
Or just retire her now, so she is not experiencing any pain. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-06-15 7:34 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 5:28 PM Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired. Or just retire her now, so she is not experiencing any pain.
She's never taken a lame step. Even the most rigorous lameness exam hasn't gotten a lame step. I'll retire her to have nice babies, not because of lameness. Please know what you're talking about before you open you keyboard up to me. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 9:09 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-06-15 7:34 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 5:28 PM Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired. Or just retire her now, so she is not experiencing any pain.
I hope that you get this all figured out, I have the same issue with one of my geldings, I cant decide if I want to blister or split, I hate the thought of having to do this to him, hes a bit on the lazy side so I dont think hes going to make a barrel horse, but I thought maybe if I get his stifle done maybe he would perk up about barrels. Good luck on what you decide  |
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 9:09 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-06-15 7:34 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 5:28 PM Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired. Or just retire her now, so she is not experiencing any pain.
My understanding with stifles is when they lock up is when they experience pain.
If she is locking up during a run as you have described, it causes the rest of the body to compensate and go into unnatural positions, causing pain.
Not all horses who are retired have chronic pain, it sounds like yours has intermittent pain.
Just giving my opinion
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Location: Missouri | I tried it with my mare and would not do it again. I would possibly consider splitting if absolutely necessary, but the blistering was painful, required multiple treatments, and did not stop my mare from catching.
Since it is a mechanical issue and not causing pain or poor performance, I would definitely skip. You can add hill work, trot poles, backing, etc. to her work outs to help. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-15 11:03 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 9:09 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-06-15 7:34 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-06-15 5:28 PM Thanks! I think I'm going to cancel my appointment until a later date. It's a 50/50 thing that this is the mare's last year of competition so I might just stick with my current treatment and put up with a few humpy runs until she's retired. Or just retire her now, so she is not experiencing any pain.
This is my rocket mare. She loves to run. Run is her favorite thing in the whole world! This issue - I've spent thousands trying to find a problem. She has been checked from teeth to tail many times. She's been to three different vets/facilities, and more than once to two of them. One time when the vet had manipulated (held hind leg) for an extreme time she trotted off 'crabbing.' That's the most reaction she's ever given to anything. We've ultrasounded and xrayed, nada. I suppose an MRI would be needed to see the soft tissue issues, if there is any.
Last year she 'humped' with me going around the first barrel. I pulled her up and scratched the rest of the 3 day show. This was two weeks or so after being injected. Then she went on to win over $1500, all in the 2D, the remainder of the season with nothing more than a gram of bute in her.
She 'humped' a whole run two weeks ago. Then last weekend won 4th in the show and won the Seniors. Smooth as silk. Again, with the bute only. Then again, she had her bute at the other show.
I want to ride one or more of her babies. If I breed her next season and she foals in 2017, I will be 60 when that foal is trained and ready to run. So there's a big part of me that says it's time to breed her.
I also don't want to lose riding her this year if it is going to be her last. This blistering thing sounds iffy. Like 50/50 that it will help. So why put her through a procedure that will cause pain and might not help at all? If it was a more sure result, and a lasting one, I would do it. But I think I won't. At least unless I definitively give up on the idea of riding one of her babies. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I blister stifles quite often. It's less painful to them than the stifle catching, plus, when the stifle catches a lot, it causes arthritis in the joint. I prefer blistering because you are not going into the joint, only in the ligament that's loose and allowing the stifle to lock. It's much less invasive and when the stifle stops locking, the joint won't get inflamed and need injecting. And it's not something that will eat up the joint like injecting. You can keep doing it as long as the stifle is catching (although you shouldn't have to). It's not iffy, and it's not extremely painful. If it was, my horses wouldn't run 100% better a day or two after the blister. They feel so much better AFTER the blister that it's quite evident. As far as the splitting surgery, I've not had that done, but I have a friend that's had it done on two different horses and swears by it. I do mine 3 times, 3 weeks apart and that usually fixes them for good unless they have a slip and stretch that ligament again. Good luck in whatever you decide. |
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Location: North Ga. Mountains | Thanks to the info abou blistering. I've learned a lot. How do you know if your horse is "catching?" |
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Location: Texas | Go on youtube and search "locking stifle" there are tons of videos of what it looks like. Most of them on there are extreme cases. Some horse, just catch a little causing a delay in their leg moving forward and others completely lock and they have to hop or drag their leg. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I had to have my mares stifles splitted, as her stifles only locked when she was in a trap and not out moving around. She would warm up out of it when being rode every day.. BUt where we moved they were in runs and she would look up every day. If she was in a pasture out moving around she was fine. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Blistering Stifles helps to tighten it and I have had great results with it. |
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| I really didn't have any results from my textbook patellar ligament colt after we blistered it with iodine injection. Went for the splitting procedure, which is an outpatient deal and not complicated, and he's currently working on the underwater treadmill. My vet think it will take about 6 weeks of treadmill to straighten him out. I've got high hopes! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | classicpotatochip - 2015-06-18 10:02 PM I really didn't have any results from my textbook patellar ligament colt after we blistered it with iodine injection. Went for the splitting procedure, which is an outpatient deal and not complicated, and he's currently working on the underwater treadmill. My vet think it will take about 6 weeks of treadmill to straighten him out. I've got high hopes!
I've had very good results in the way that your handling your horses rehab.
If the horse is not tracking true and you feel him occasionally fall into a rabbit hole along with "MB's" comments highly suspect Stifle.
You can hear an audible "pop" on some horses.
If blistering doesn't help proceded to the "splitting" procedure.
Then get them fit-fit-fit, the more athletic the horse the more the need for heavy duty strength training on his hind quarters. I have a incline treadmill and love the aquatred to get these guys ready to roll.
Last year prior to the summer run I sent my horse to swim (I had a sick father, unable to ride). Yes, swim. What? did I hear a gasp? It worked for the colt as he went to be better conditioned and not so much for rehab. Had he needed a kinder and gentler approach (post splitting or blister) he would have been on the aquatred. He was on the incline treadmill when I had time. The pool was nearby and I gave it a shot to get him fit. He was there 5 weeks, I rode him a week in the hills (dad has some big hills). Second week post the swim, entered a two day jackpot not far from dad and crossed my fingers while saying my prayers he was ready. He lost me both runs I was so far behind it wasn't funny. But he was ready to rodeo on and away we went two weeks later. First run was in the mud, the mud was so bad the guys demanded they cancel the slack for the tripping the night before. Procom did some swapping and we gals got to run first instead of the guys roping. The biggest mistake I could ever have done to this guy. He's not the type to safety up. Instead of taking care of my horse with ice to the stifles we jump back on the trailer with only our lower ice boots on to get to the hottest rodeo of the circuit. (In hopes to get a shade tree.) He again runs his heart out and had he not slipped down on the first would have had a nice check at Pecos.
Riding him in the mountains a few days later I realize something is not right. I feel no effusion but he's not tracking as he should. We turn out the rest of the 4th and head home. Vet checks him says he over used himself (again) and we take care of him by treadmill and heavy logging with some cavaletti thrown in. No rodeo's till the last weekend of the season. He runs awesome at the first two and then the third he got upset at the gate. He walks in every run before that. Has a so so run, doesn't place. He feels fine in the following week of riding but the first rodeo of the new season again he seems upset in the alley and his first turn feels off so I pull him up.
What I learned from the back and forth ready to roll have to rehab routine is get this one super fit! He uses himself very hard. He stifles almost look like they're touching the ground in his pictures. I gave him a good long break and he's going to the Aquatred for 6-8 weeks when he's complete with the swim farm he goes to the vet for an U/S before any rigorus riding. If I was young and had lots of time the horse would be getting rode in the hills every day and checking stock. That was my cure all back in the day for horses like him. Worked for several really good race horses and I would ride lots of my friends horses and it seemed to help all with lax ligaments.
Also a note for those that don't know, the Illiacus when tight will also cause a horse to buckle. It will however not have an audible pop. Always seems worse on circles to that side. Will often have back soreness secondary as does stifles. |
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