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Location: London Ontario | I usually leave them tied while I ride(for a refresher) or all day |
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Location: Nebraska | I leave them until they relax for a minute the first time and then tie them again the next day and build on it. |
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| As long as necessary until they relax. When they are calm, they get to come away. It's called a patience pole for a reason 
I have left a bucket of water and one tied all day long before. We checked on him periodically and watched as he dug a giant hole - but he had to stand in it and figure life out (yes he had plenty of rope and wasn't hurting).
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-06-17 12:59 PM
I have a fully that doesn't stand tied well at all. Fidgeting, hollering, pawing... Just acting a fool. Even when you are standing there brushing her or whatever. My question is, how long is acceptable to leave a horse tied to the patience pole? Or tree of knowledge... Lol
Unless there are other factors IE the horse dosent understand how to give to the halter to acatualy stand tied.....
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Location: Alberta | A hissy fit and lack of respect (willing to mow you over you while brushing) as long as it takes.....when their focus is off of whatever their fixated on (likely buddies who aren't there). Since I assume she associates you coming to her with release, Id do random brushing sessions and then walk away. |
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| All day in a shaded area or indoor. If they're still dancing by the end of the day repeat. Sounds harsh but a lack of respect can be dangerous and it honestly teaches them a lot! |
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Location: The edge of no where | Until they learn to stand quietly.... I do make sure they've got access to water periodically and I don't leave them tied when I'm gone. I check on them regularly......but if they're being obnoxious, they might stand there for 10 hours or so. (I fly spray a LOT). It's not fair to tie them up and let the flies chew on them. |
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| Thanks y'all. I was afraid it would take all day. She's stubborn. It only took 3 hours lol. She is back in her pen. Little turd. She is a yearling so I hate to be too harsh but she can lunge both ways, backs well, flexes ect. Has good ground work for her age- when she's focussed. She is very smart. I want her to learn to be calm about things now instead of fussing with her later. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I've usually found it takes more than one day to fix. Tie them again and they start all over, or let something set them and you find out if they're fixed or not. Young ones I tie out as often as I can, especially during feeding time. When they start under saddle, I tie them saddled up and let them sit. Lots of tying makes for a good horse, IMO. |
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Location: Here | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-06-17 4:04 PM Thanks y'all. I was afraid it would take all day. She's stubborn. It only took 3 hours lol. She is back in her pen. Little turd. She is a yearling so I hate to be too harsh but she can lunge both ways, backs well, flexes ect. Has good ground work for her age- when she's focussed. She is very smart. I want her to learn to be calm about things now instead of fussing with her later.
I don't like to put that much pressure on a yearling just yet jmho |
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Location: Florida.. | SG. - 2015-06-17 9:27 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-06-17 4:04 PM Thanks y'all. I was afraid it would take all day. She's stubborn. It only took 3 hours lol. She is back in her pen. Little turd. She is a yearling so I hate to be too harsh but she can lunge both ways, backs well, flexes ect. Has good ground work for her age- when she's focussed. She is very smart. I want her to learn to be calm about things now instead of fussing with her later. I don't like to put that much pressure on a yearling just yet jmho
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | I build em up to it..short periods tied but they only get untied if they're calm and behaving...so can be as short as 10 mins or as long as all day....and I start tying em around weaning time but not all day just a few minutes at a time at that age but by yearling they tie decent and by 2yr they are pros..but i also have a halter pm em by day 2 and lead them often as babies...what you're experiencing with a yearling is kinda like a toddler going through its terrible twos lol I joke but it's so true til they are about 2 1/2 or 3 they have those moments where they act out pawing or acting up or being pushy...til they learn boundaries and such...fun times lol |
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Location: NE Texas | Fairweather - 2015-06-17 8:18 PM I've usually found it takes more than one day to fix. Tie them again and they start all over, or let something set them and you find out if they're fixed or not. Young ones I tie out as often as I can, especially during feeding time. When they start under saddle, I tie them saddled up and let them sit. Lots of tying makes for a good horse, IMO.
I agree with Fairweather and do the same thing. Unless it's too hot, most of mine stand tied alot on the weekends; even the finished or semi finished horses. I always leave a horse tied for at least an hour after I ride and young horses will get saddled and tied for an hour or so before I get on them as well. All young horses that are 2 or older get saddled and tied every day no matter if i'm riding them that day or not. I agree with Fairweather in that lots of tying makes for a good horse. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Herbie - 2015-06-18 8:57 AM Fairweather - 2015-06-17 8:18 PM I've usually found it takes more than one day to fix. Tie them again and they start all over, or let something set them and you find out if they're fixed or not. Young ones I tie out as often as I can, especially during feeding time. When they start under saddle, I tie them saddled up and let them sit. Lots of tying makes for a good horse, IMO. I agree with Fairweather and do the same thing. Unless it's too hot, most of mine stand tied alot on the weekends; even the finished or semi finished horses. I always leave a horse tied for at least an hour after I ride and young horses will get saddled and tied for an hour or so before I get on them as well. All young horses that are 2 or older get saddled and tied every day no matter if i'm riding them that day or not. I agree with Fairweather in that lots of tying makes for a good horse.
It's amazing what being tied up for a few hours with a saddle on can do for one's attitude.....especially in the summer. LOL |
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Location: NE Texas | MS2011 - 2015-06-18 9:08 AM Herbie - 2015-06-18 8:57 AM Fairweather - 2015-06-17 8:18 PM I've usually found it takes more than one day to fix. Tie them again and they start all over, or let something set them and you find out if they're fixed or not. Young ones I tie out as often as I can, especially during feeding time. When they start under saddle, I tie them saddled up and let them sit. Lots of tying makes for a good horse, IMO. I agree with Fairweather and do the same thing. Unless it's too hot, most of mine stand tied alot on the weekends; even the finished or semi finished horses. I always leave a horse tied for at least an hour after I ride and young horses will get saddled and tied for an hour or so before I get on them as well. All young horses that are 2 or older get saddled and tied every day no matter if i'm riding them that day or not. I agree with Fairweather in that lots of tying makes for a good horse.
Funny story.....when I was in college, we had a college rodeo in MO where my mom lived. My bestfriend and I went up a few days early to stay with my mom and ride, because I was going to run mom's horse at the rodeo instead of my own. My friend had a nice mare, but she was pretty hard running and free and she was having some trouble getting with her. The tools were there, but she wasn't sure how to use them. Mom rode that mare for two days off and on. There was no arena, just a great big 5 acre sized barrel pattern that she would long trot through over and over. Mom would ride her for 30 mins then go tie her up for a couple of hours, go ride her for 15 mins and tie her up for an hour. Put her up and night and started over the next day. My friend kept saying are you sure she's even going to have the energy to run this weekend? I just said, trust me and trust mom. Got time for the rodeo and she and I were first and second in both rounds and the average. Her mare worked her but off.....like she was on tracks. It was beautiful! And that made a believer out of her on the whole tying deal. Nothing like short lessons and when they do something right, go tie them up. Then go again and same thing. Makes for a good horse that is focused IMO. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i agree with you guys, tying does wonders.................
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Location: Deep South | JMO, it's not how long you leave them, it's how often. Horses learn by repetition. I tie my yearlings, I don't think it's too hard on them, but I don't leave them tied all day. About the length of time it takes me to work one of my riding horses, but I do it a few days a week. |
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| I hobble all my colts for this reason...love hobbles! Get yourself a good pair of leather hobbles and take your filly to a round pen or fenced area. Put them on and turn her loose and get out of the way. She'll fight them for a bit and then stand. Don't leave her there because you don't want her to figure out how to run in them! After she stands and looks relaxed you can take her over to her favorite place (patience pole) and tie her and hobble her. Makes a world of difference I think! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think for a yearling 45 min a day would be good so they will learn to stand quite. All day long every once in awhile wont cut it. I always like tieing my babys out for awhile and brush them down are give them a bath and move on to doing something else and then come back and turn them loose, some times I did this twice a day to teach them to be patience I hardley left them over 45 mins at a time. |
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Location: Phoenix | Herbie - 2015-06-18 7:31 AM MS2011 - 2015-06-18 9:08 AM Herbie - 2015-06-18 8:57 AM Fairweather - 2015-06-17 8:18 PM I've usually found it takes more than one day to fix. Tie them again and they start all over, or let something set them and you find out if they're fixed or not. Young ones I tie out as often as I can, especially during feeding time. When they start under saddle, I tie them saddled up and let them sit. Lots of tying makes for a good horse, IMO. I agree with Fairweather and do the same thing. Unless it's too hot, most of mine stand tied alot on the weekends; even the finished or semi finished horses. I always leave a horse tied for at least an hour after I ride and young horses will get saddled and tied for an hour or so before I get on them as well. All young horses that are 2 or older get saddled and tied every day no matter if i'm riding them that day or not. I agree with Fairweather in that lots of tying makes for a good horse.
LOVE this!!!!! When my horse is fresh in the spring I would saddle him up in the morning, ride if I had time, and leave him saddled until I rode later that afternoon. We bought him from Mike Beers who would ride him all day at clinics, so he was used to being saddled and rode all day. He had a better work ethic and got down to business much quicker than if I hadn't done this. Also--I remember watching a Clinton Anderson episode and he said he likes to leave them tied after a lesson so they can let it all sink in. Makes sense! Also--that way they aren't all rushed and expecting to be unsaddled and pampered after a ride. |
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-17 9:36 PM SG. - 2015-06-17 9:27 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-06-17 4:04 PM Thanks y'all. I was afraid it would take all day. She's stubborn. It only took 3 hours lol. She is back in her pen. Little turd. She is a yearling so I hate to be too harsh but she can lunge both ways, backs well, flexes ect. Has good ground work for her age- when she's focussed. She is very smart. I want her to learn to be calm about things now instead of fussing with her later. I don't like to put that much pressure on a yearling just yet jmho
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Location: WI | I wouldn't hesitate to do it all day with shade and water. I heard Clinton Anderson say in one of his clinics 'you know why team ropers horses stand tied so good? Cause they tie them up, then go to the bar and drink all night!' funny and true... |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Tying and patience must be learned. Horses are grazers and need to nibble so a hay bag, slow feeder, with water if going to be there awhile. They could develope an ulcer otherwise. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | Have never seen a horse die from learning to stand tied at a young age. I have however seen several horses die from being spoiled and not knowing how to stand...... |
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Location: Alabama | My three month old can now stand tied on the walker quietly for up to an hour. I believe starting early makes them less likely to fuss in the long run. |
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| I find it interesting that no one has mentioned that horses under 24-30 months old
CANNOT lock their legs and sleep standing up.
A horse has to grow his kneecaps before he can sleep standing up ...
I love how vicious women can be.. why treat your babies like you
would an ex-husband??
Horses talk to each other so tie your young horses together so they can
discuss the idiot amongst themselves. Better yet put one of your good
mannered older horses in the middle of the tie line and let him set an example.
There is no sense in tying a buddied up, suckling or freshly weaned youngster
out by himself and giving him a panic attack that can damage his knee and ankle cartilages for a lifetime.
Use something with some weight or give to it to teach tying up and tie higher or over their heads so they cannot use their entire body weight to hurt themselves.
The weight of an old car innertube gives them a warning when they take the slack out of the lead and a blocker tie also allows them to take those two steps to decide not to panic. If you tie too short ... you are going to have a wreck. So know the length of lead that is safe and allows a horse to get startled and move but not go into panic frantic mode.
You can use the blocker tie ring for more resistance and still let them pull back a step
or two. .. With a long lead line you can scare some sense into rowdy old horses or youngsters and then shorten the lead back to the tie position and go spook them from the other side repeatedly until they ignore your crazy antics and stand tied... be a little crazier than the crazy horse you are working with. .. I will never allow my temper or "you are gonna do this" attitude risk injury to a horse I am supposed to be teaching something.
Why not make your tying lessons as comfortable and unexciting as possible and
use a reasonable time frame like you do with any other training method. .. Break the monotony by leading them to water, or a hay bag or change the tying up location several times or just switching places when you have several tied up. ... Being tied up should be looked forward to for a normal horse that prefers to be lazy than having to work ... lol
One to two hours with visits per the above is my normal routine on young horses ..
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Location: Florida.. | Rodeo_cowgirl - 2015-06-19 10:55 AM Have never seen a horse die from learning to stand tied at a young age. I have however seen several horses die from being spoiled and not knowing how to stand...... for the ones me included saying youngsters are to young to stand long periods at the patience pole I highly doubt meant not to teach them to tie at all.but we all do things differantly... 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think if you tie a young one out for short periods twice a day is enought, I dont beleive 3 to 5 hours are more like some are saying is not right, these are young herd animals looking for their buddys, I think its pretty darn mean for some to think tieing out a baby for hours is good. Sad to me... |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-20 8:54 PM
Rodeo_cowgirl - 2015-06-19 10:55 AM Have never seen a horse die from learning to stand tied at a young age. I have however seen several horses die from being spoiled and not knowing how to stand...... for the ones me included saying youngsters are to young to stand long periods at the patience pole I highly doubt meant not to teach them to tie at all.but we all do things differantly...
I am not saying you should not use comenesence ....no a baby can not stand as long as a 2 year old.....I am saying it gets harder to teach as the horse gets older and stronger.....and learns that they can brake haulters and lead ropes....and flip over and brake there necks..... |
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Location: Texas | I'll leave them tied all day if necessary. Respect on the ground is HUGE. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | dream_chaser - 2015-06-17 2:41 PM
A hissy fit and lack of respect (willing to mow you over you while brushing) as long as it takes.....when their focus is off of whatever their fixated on (likely buddies who aren't there). Since I assume she associates you coming to her with release, Id do random brushing sessions and then walk away.
Liking the advice here. I will actually send mine away from their buddies. We have a ranch that they get kicked out on. Once they seem to want to be with me when I visit them then I will bring them home.They stay tied as I work the horses all around the farm.
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How long at the patience pole