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| Hi my 12 yr old daughter recently started to push her barrel horse and since then he started to stop at the second barrel and sometimes again at the 3rd . He is very broke and our vet says he is in good health . We are having him scoped next week but I thought I would try here first. I will try and upload a video |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | When a horse does this it is usually some kind of pain issue. I had one that would lock up at the first barrel and wouldn't leaave it. I think her problem was bad hocks and a muscle tear. |
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| We had the vet out and they did a full physical on him and they say he is in great shape . We are going to have him scoped next week to see if he is a bleeder or has any other breathing problems . I'm trying to upload a video but am struggling . |
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Location: NE Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-18 3:16 PM
Here is a video .... Maybe if it will upload
you can also try uploading to youtube and then posting link here. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | So you got xrays done as well.....im with the bbs sounds like a pain issue...could be teeth..could be ulcers......its a long list.....m |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Has the horse done this with anyone other than your daughter? Maybe she is sending mixed signals or he is buffaloing her. |
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| How old is the horse?
Is the horse a finished horse?
When were the horse's teeth done last?
Is the horse stopping before the barrel or on the backside?
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Location: Texas | She may not be giving him enough room going into the barrel. |
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Location: WI | I've seen the videos. It's not a issue of no room, girl gives lots of room. Horse shoulders coming in and freezes.
I think a big question to ask is what kind of vet do you have? The local dog vet isn't going to be very good at seeing soreness. You want an expert. I can give you madness if you need. Not saying your vet is bad or anything cause I don't know who it is. Just something to keep in mind. I learned hard way |
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| Our vet is a very reputable one in our area. And we had them out a few weeks ago to do another phisical on him and they said he looks great . We don't have an issue running any other events but barrels . My daughters trainer threw out the idea that he could be a bleeder so we started him on lasix and ran him at a few more races but have had no luck . We are going to run him at a barrel race next wed and the vet is coming out thur morning to scope him so I'm hoping to find out then what his problem is . I am suspecting that it is some sort of breathing problem . I have been in contact with others that have had the same issue with there horse . I'm still not sure why I can't upload the video on here . Mayby the person that said they seen the video could post them for me . |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | if he was a bleeder.....i would suspect you would find trouble in most all speed events..................id get his legs xrayed............
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 11:56 AM
Our vet is a very reputable one in our area. And we had them out a few weeks ago to do another phisical on him and they said he looks great . We don't have an issue running any other events but barrels . My daughters trainer threw out the idea that he could be a bleeder so we started him on lasix and ran him at a few more races but have had no luck . We are going to run him at a barrel race next wed and the vet is coming out thur morning to scope him so I'm hoping to find out then what his problem is . I am suspecting that it is some sort of breathing problem . I have been in contact with others that have had the same issue with there horse . I'm still not sure why I can't upload the video on here . Mayby the person that said they seen the video could post them for me .
The horse really needs to be scooped to determine a bleeder. I think you would be having issues getting the horse in the arena also.
A friend of mine tried ahorse that had been trained by jamming the horse to a stop just before the barrel to teach rate. She could not get that horse around that barrel at a lope or even faster. (We don't train that way). The horse had had this done so many times that it had become a habit. I am not saying this is your horse's problem but I am wondering if it is a habit. I suggest that you slw the horse down until it is working the way you want it to work, then speed back up.
It would be very kind of the person who saw the video to post for you since it shows the problem so well and you are having difficulties posting.
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| I did contact the person who seen the video and she said she would try to post them. He is getting scoped next Thursday by Weitz equine in Northfield mn,they are also the ones who looked at him a few weeks ago . And when I try and post a video it says it's too long . But it's only 45 seconds so I'm not sure what the deal is . I will try and get a shorter clip and post it . |
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| My horse was doing that and it was his hocks I injected and took care of the problem :)
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Location: WI | Here are videos of the horse...
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| My personal opinion is there is a lot going on with that horse AND rider. Since you asked here is my honest opinion and I am not trying to be beyotchy either. There is a pain issue somewhere with that horse, the fact he is hesitant to even start suggests that, let alone his stoppage at the 2nd and 3rd barrels. Have you had a chiro/massage therapist go over him? Second, once the pain issue is identified it's in that horse's head and it's going to take some time and a SOFT hand (something I am not seeing in the rider) to bring him back. That horse needs his body worked on and after ruling out any other issues (the head shaking is another clue something physical is going on - I'd check teeth, thoroughly, given the way he is shaking his head. Lastly - reaming on him and kicking him is not going to encourage him to go forward. The rider is simply along for the ride because that horse appears to have a lot of gas to give when running. After the pain issues get fixed I would not show that horse a barrel for a couple of months at least, just ride him out and let him learn to relax again. I would shoot for more controlled, proper form turns instead of what is there now. I hope this did not come across mean as it's not intended that way. Good luck. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | That horse needs to pulled off barrels untill you can find the problem, hes hurting and bad. He looks really confused and that to me is because he hurts, you can tell hes got heart and is trying but riding him in this matter and getting mad at him, I saw that in the first video is not going to make this horse want to run, theres no rate going into the first barrel and theres a reason for it. You need to take this horse to a lameness Vet and get him looked over with a fine tooth and comb, theres something going on the more you run him the worst its going to get for him. Not just any vet is going to find a problem you have got to take him to a Lameness Vet that will know what to be looking for. These videos just made me feel really bad for this horse. |
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| I agree with you on the breathing avenue - but a bleeder will normally almost run away with you. I would consider it being a problem with a flapper or something blocking. Seems like he only does it after he has ran for a little while as he doesn't do it around 1 and no horse should want to stop on the backside of 3rd their instincts are to go home. Looking into roaring, flapper and other breathing issues. |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | I would be getting a 2nd opinion . That horse is definitely hurting somewhere.
Your daughter looks out of control in the videos, and it can't feel good him getting his head ripped off and kicking "as hard as she can" (commentary on one video) especially where he's in pain.
That's a pretty nice horse to put up with that.
Get his physical issues figured out and go from there, even if it means a break from barrels or going slow for a while. |
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| Thanks for the input people ! I have had him checked twice in the last 8 months the most recent check was 2 weeks ago . He does not have any issues running any of the other games . I fact he can run a pretty mean pole pattern . And he has shown no signs of soreness while running the jumping fig 8 . And he will walk trott the barrels no problem . And I agree that she is a little rough on the reigns and we are working on that issue so With the vet saying he has no lameness issues we are leaning more towards breathing issues. And we should be able to fig that out when he gets scoped next week . But unfortunately we have to run him again to see if he is a bleeder . |
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| Boy when you said stalling you were not mining. A couple of things I would have checked are kissing spines and EPM. If the vet said everything was OK these are some things that were overlooked on several of my horses. |
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Location: Texas | Those videos make me sad and mad.
I agree - take him off barrels until you find what is bothering him.
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Location: NW. Florida | I agree with the others about him hurting. I wouldn't want my child riding that horse, if the problem isn't identified soon his behavior is going to escalate and your daughter is going to get hurt. Vets are just like doctors, some specialize this horse definetly needs a lameness specialist. I hope you can get him help, he seems like he would be nice if not for the issue. |
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| I agree that he's probably in pain and needs taken off the barrels. I also feel that after he stops at the second that he's getting a lot of mixed signals from being yanked back and forth, kicked, reversed, etc. I'm not a trainer or the an expert when it comes to barrels but I'm only observing and I think that not only is he in pain, he's confused and not feeling right about that second barrel. Horses remember a lot. I'm sure it's very frustrating but once you all figure out what's wrong your daughter will need taught on how to deal with it as well! Good luck, prayers you guys figure out where that baby's hurting!  |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Have you ever shown the vet doing the lameness exam these videos? If not, you should. There is a problem and it needs to be dealt with. Continuing to run the animal is going to end up with someone getting hurt. Both your daughter and the horse.
Also, I am not saying this to be mean - but are you taking this to a "horse lameness vet"? My momma bless her heart, didn't know there was a difference when I was your daughter's age. But she tried.
Please look into it more as no one wants this to happen.
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Location: Randolph, Utah | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 12:34 PM
Thanks for the input people ! I have had him checked twice in the last 8 months the most recent check was 2 weeks ago . He does not have any issues running any of the other games . I fact he can run a pretty mean pole pattern . And he has shown no signs of soreness while running the jumping fig 8 . And he will walk trott the barrels no problem . And I agree that she is a little rough on the reigns and we are working on that issue so With the vet saying he has no lameness issues we are leaning more towards breathing issues. And we should be able to fig that out when he gets scoped next week . But unfortunately we have to run him again to see if he is a bleeder .
If you're 100% sure it not a pain issue and you don't want to give him a break maybe find a soft handed quiet rider to take him for a while. I'd be afraid one day he'll of had enough and come up & over on her. |
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| I will play devil's advocate and go with the no pain theory. With that said, this is a horse that clearly hates his job. Regardless if there is pain or no pain, you have let a habit develop and there is no way this child riding this horse can fix it. I am willing to bet that when she comes out of the pen, she is jerking, snatching, kicking and ripping because she's mad. The worst thing you can do is crucify a horse after a run. That starts gate problems because why go IN when you know what happens when you come OUT? I'm sorry but this horse DOES NOT want to be a barrel horse. You need to stop running him on barrels and find someone that can help. Both from a physical issue standpoint AND a training standpoint. That horse is on the verge of going up. The next step from going up is going over. Stop running it beforse it escalates further. |
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| I will show our vet the videos . And yes I agree that she is a little aggressive . We are working on that . She is a little girl that is used to riding some really fast crazy ponies and this is her new step up horse . She also spent 6 months of walk trott with him on all the games patterns and she just started to push him and he started to do this . |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 1:02 PM
I will show our vet the videos . And yes I agree that she is a little aggressive . We are working on that . She is a little girl that is used to riding some really fast crazy ponies and this is her new step up horse . She also spent 6 months of walk trott with him on all the games patterns and she just started to push him and he started to do this .
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| I agree she is aggressive in the videos . And she does not alwaise ride like that . In fact she gets off her horse , loosens her saddle and walks him back to the trailer . We just bought this horse last fall and have had no issues with him until she started to push him . |
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| If he were bleeding, wouldn't you think he'd be bleeding in the other events too? Right now, he is not liking his job, he needs a mental rest!
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 1:08 PM
I agree she is aggressive in the videos . And she does not alwaise ride like that . In fact she gets off her horse , loosens her saddle and walks him back to the trailer . We just bought this horse last fall and have had no issues with him until she started to push him .
Then I would ride quiet and stop pushing. He's running hard enough without people hollarung at her to kick his guts out. I'd also change head gear to something lighter and I'd inject the hocks. I'd also find someone to help fix the issue. And I'd have the teeth looked at to make sure there isn't a tooth problem. I don't mean just sharp edges. A full mouth exam. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Either the horse hurts or resents his job.....both need attention before you allow your daughter to continue running barrels on this horse or you're creating a worse problem and she could get hurt.
The horse looks off in his left hind in the videos and unless you've have done X-Rays a simple exam may not show a problem.
After I had the horse vetted I would seek professional help prior to your daughter riding this horse.
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Location: OH | CJE - 2015-06-19 3:24 PM Either the horse hurts or resents his job.....both need attention before you allow your daughter to continue running barrels on this horse or you're creating a worse problem and she could get hurt. The horse looks off in his left hind in the videos and unless you've have done X-Rays a simple exam may not show a problem. After I had the horse vetted I would seek professional help prior to your daughter riding this horse. First thing I would do is reverse the horse to the left after I returned to training.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 1:14 PM That horse needs to pulled off barrels untill you can find the problem, hes hurting and bad. He looks really confused and that to me is because he hurts, you can tell hes got heart and is trying but riding him in this matter and getting mad at him, I saw that in the first video is not going to make this horse want to run, theres no rate going into the first barrel and theres a reason for it. You need to take this horse to a lameness Vet and get him looked over with a fine tooth and comb, theres something going on the more you run him the worst its going to get for him. Not just any vet is going to find a problem you have got to take him to a Lameness Vet that will know what to be looking for. These videos just made me feel really bad for this horse. Ditto times 100- poor horse, quit running him till you find out what is wrong. He looks nice and is worth the effort to treat him right. It make take several vet visits to get it figured out, if you are not wiliing to do that, turn him out or sell him. Lots of horses work better without kicking and yanking. Get a good vet and a good trainer and I bet you end up with a really nice horse.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What kind of bit do you have on him? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Watch the third video. She is kicking for all she is worth..and jerking on his face at the same time. He is really getting conflicting signals. She has likely gotten upset and frustrated with this horse and her riding skills are not mature enough/developed enough to handle this properly.
This may very well be a horse that is hurting or was hurting and in the process now his behavior has gotten worse in her rough hands and he could easily blow up on her. I'm glad she is riding in a helmet...kudos on that...but as others have said...evaluate hocks etc and when ready to bring him back to riding...I'd have a calm confident quiet hand work him first.
In the mean time...the young girl needs lessons. Not barrel lessons or games lessons...Basic riding lessons to teach a soft hand etc. That will serve her well in the future. If she KNOWS how to ride with quiet hands and is just frustrated with this horse...she needs to mature more before being given a nice step up horse like this. She may just not be ready for that.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I would love to see a picture of the backend of this horse with him squared up. I had a horse that did the exact thing and it was a pain issue. The vets couldn't find anything wrong with him (it was back in 1986). I had a chiro work on him and he would make awesome runs until that hip slipped out. It was a chronic issue and since I couldn't carry my Chiro with me, I sold him to a man that would ride him on his ranch checking fences. |
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Location: Washington | Do you have any videos of his other events.....could you post those also.
What kind of bit are you using? Is his tie-down always that tight?
Till this is figured out for the health of you daughter I would stop asking him or her to do barrels.
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Location: gone crazy! | I would almost 100% bet he's got teeth issues.
once you get his teeth done & done correctly I would make sure the rest of his body is free from soreness etc.
I retired a 9yo gelding who did the EXACT same thing turns out a vet who floated his teeth didn't do them completely. Had a certified Equine dentist look at him & he literally had waves all the way to the back of his jaw. At that point it became a mental issue because it hurt for so long he's a pasture ornament.
TAKE NOTE: he vetted sound all 63541651 times i had him looked at and the countless hours i drove to get opinion after opinion from other vets.
My advice: take the kid off him. that horse is going to stop being so forgiving at some point & your kid is the only one who's going to pay the price. that jerking & kicking, that animal has a mind of his own & he can snap.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont think this is the right horse for her, I went back to see the first video trying to see the bit, the horse will not flex at all, shes just to rough on this poor horses face, this looks like a young horse and need a more experince rider as in knowing how to handle a barrel horse with good hands and helping it out in the turns, I would put her back on her ponys untill you find that match for her, a older horse. This horse needs a break from this child befor it really loses it and flips over on her, like Trailgirl said its a good thing shes wearing a helmet and I hope that she wont need it. I feel really sorry for this horse, the head tossing is a sign to me its confused.. |
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| I would put an experienced quiet rider on him and see if he acts the same. I have 3 girls who ride, one got a new horse, started out good then started touring the arena when making a run. I put my other daughter on him and they made perfect runs which motivated daughter #1 to try a little harder to ride him correctly.
I would also have the vet check all his ligaments, suspensory issues, ligaments sometimes will not hurt unless at a run and vet will miss them. I had this happen too. My horse did not want to work his left turn, 3 great vets really put him through the paces, he was never lame, had no swelling and never took an off step while being looked at. He finally came out of a run 3 legged lame and had torn his suspensory, vet said that was what had been hurting all along and progressed till it finally tore. Good luck and keep searching if he keeps doing this. I would find a vet with a lameness locator, if I had done that with my horse I would have saved a lot of time and money and not had such a severe injury. |
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Location: on my horse | I haven't read all the comments so bear with me if things have already been said...
Thing #1 Get that horse off barrels now, its not fair to him until you figure out what's up.
Thing #2 Get that kid off that horse until you figure out where his discomfort is coming from. He's frozen and looks scared there's no attitude there
Thing #3 once you've fixed whatever physical issue/internal/external get that kiddo into some quality barrel lessons just because she loves her horse doesn't mean she's riding him right and nobody should be kicking that hard with spurs on run after run when he freezes at the second barrel and is confused/fearful looking when he previously had no issues.
Thing #4 if he started as a barrel only horse and now he does all these other games too that may have something to do with it, turning a barrel is a lot different than turning a pole and each horse only has so many runs in him both physically and mentally. If gymkhana is your goal lay off barrels but if she wants to run barrels then that needs to be the focus.
Don't take this as me picking at you your horse or your daughter there's just some distressing things I'm seeing here that need professional help.
If he scopes clean treats well for ulcers and everything else PLEASE take him and her to a professional because him and your daughter are going to get into one big wreck because the next step for him is to go up in the air on her. He looks extremely well broke and appears to know his job so once pain is ruled out and this continues he's showing you that he's not being ridden correctly and needs some help there. No finished horse without illness or rider issues is going to act like that, and he looks like despite everything he's trying to stay honest for her which tells me y'all need to listen to him.
Finally, that really can't be all that fun for your daughter either, whether this issue stems from horse or rider nobody here is having fun.
Thanks for being open to advice and once again please don't take anything I've written as hurtful or intending to be mean or sharp, its hard to convey sincere emotion over the computer.
ETA: If it was a bleeding issue I would expect him to show signs of discomfort during other events.
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Location: Kentucky | My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. |
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| Murphy - 2015-06-19 3:03 PM My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. Agree, they do talk to us. The correct thing to do after his repeatedly doing this would have been to get off and lead him out.
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Location: Down the Gravel Road near the Missouri River, SD | SKM - 2015-06-20 1:02 PM I will play devil's advocate and go with the no pain theory. With that said, this is a horse that clearly hates his job. Regardless if there is pain or no pain, you have let a habit develop and there is no way this child riding this horse can fix it. I am willing to bet that when she comes out of the pen, she is jerking, snatching, kicking and ripping because she's mad. The worst thing you can do is crucify a horse after a run. That starts gate problems because why go IN when you know what happens when you come OUT? I'm sorry but this horse DOES NOT want to be a barrel horse. You need to stop running him on barrels and find someone that can help. Both from a physical issue standpoint AND a training standpoint. That horse is on the verge of going up. The next step from going up is going over. Stop running it beforse it escalates further.
Amen!! This could get dangerous and soon if its not stopped..He's way over pressured.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-06-19 3:08 PM Murphy - 2015-06-19 3:03 PM My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. Agree, they do talk to us. The correct thing to do after his repeatedly doing this would have been to get off and lead him out.
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| One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running . |
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It should not have taken this many runs to figure out something is wrong!
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Until you can get to the bottem of this you need to remove your daughter from the horse. If you do not, the results could be catastrophic. Please heed the advice of those more experienced and do this. Frankly when she is jerking on him like that you should be marching out and jerking her from the saddle. She needs to learn control of her emotions and the consequences of her actions as well. You may need to send horse and daughter to some barrel clinics to help both after you have ruled out hocks, ulcers, and bleeding. Or as someone else said he could just hate barrels and really like poles...then you have to choose. We are not trying to be mean or judge we are just trying to help and none of us want to see your little girl hurt. |
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Location: gone crazy! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running .
He's stopped running because he's
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B-hates his job
Either way the kid is in danger. Stop it before she gets hurt.
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Location: gone crazy! | MissinGrey - 2015-06-19 3:27 PM kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running . He's stopped running because he's
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B-hates his job
Either way the kid is in danger. Stop it before she gets hurt.
also wanted to state she may be a great rider but obviously this isn't a match.
you can tell the way this horse anticipates by his body position going into each barrel. it looks to me from what i watched of the video's that he drops his head and sorta dumps on his front end. to me hes getting away from the issue.
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Location: Post Falls, ID | I have unfortunatly been in where this young girl is. It may have been about 25 yrs ago though. I too was a good rider, could ride the hair off anything you put me on. Doesnt mean that I did it correctly though. My new step up horse was fast, bred well and young. My immaturity and her high strung spirit is where our troubles began. I pushed her to fast and she began to rear and leap in the air like a lipizzan, so bad she was known as the lipizzaner. I wish I would have known back then, what I know now. I'm pretty sure my mare had ulcers and other pain issues. Those days we thought we were experienced horse people. I'm one lucky kid that I never got hurt real bad. I'm telling this story because we all can see that this horse and little girl have some big issues. I want to say to the OP that your getting on the right track, I would take a look at all this advice and look into each one. Something is affecting this horse. I'm happy your asking for help. I have been there and wish I would have done what your doing.. Your daughter and that horse could have some real talent down the road. I would be interested in following the progress. |
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| I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse |
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Location: Nebraska | At this point I think he is going to do it with anyone no matter who you put on him. There is definitely something wrong that he is trying to tell you. I'd start with a good lameness vet and a long break from barrels with someone else riding him. She isn't wearing Spurs is she? |
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Location: gone crazy! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse
Im not trying to nail you to the wall so to speak. Just curious why you still allow him to be ran? surely she isn't placing stopping like that on 2nd & sometimes 3rd. even if she was why still run him? Again, just curious. Or was this the only 3 times she ran him? |
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| I agree with most of the post here. There does seem to be a pain problem and a mental problem. The is also a lot of rider problem. It seems to be to much horse for the kid. He is just running all over the place and she is along for the ride. One thing that I noticed that has not been posted. He is coming into the barrel wide, His head in pointing away from the barrel and his shoulder is dropping. If you look at his turn he is stopping just before plowing over the barrel. It is either hit the barrel or stop because he is getting no help or guidence from the rider to get around the turn. Then it becomes mental because he is getting in trouble and does not understand why. It will a lot of guidence walking, trotting, and slow loping after all issues are taking care of the get him going right again. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse
Dad we feel for you, how experience are you with horses, if your a good horsemen you need to be riding this horse yourself and see what the problem is. The Jr cow horse bit is not alot of bit so thats good, I was worry that maybe you had a harsh bit on him, but you dont and thats good to know. Just hard to tell you why the horse is stopping at the barrel by a video, I think you need to find a good barrel horse trainer in your area if you have one and ask them for help. But you have gotton alot of good advice on here, but really you need to find a Horse vet that is into lameness and go from there. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 4:00 PM kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse Dad we feel for you, how experience are you with horses, if your a good horsemen you need to be riding this horse yourself and see what the problem is. The Jr cow horse bit is not alot of bit so thats good, I was worry that maybe you had a harsh bit on him, but you dont and thats good to know. Just hard to tell you why the horse is stopping at the barrel by a video, I think you need to find a good barrel horse trainer in your area if you have one and ask them for help. But you have gotton alot of good advice on here, but really you need to find a Horse vet that is into lameness and go from there.
Did your vet flex his hocks? What did he do to check him out?
I understand in the process of trying to figure this out having your daughter get a little agressive in case he is just buffaloing her but that is obvioulsy not working so encouraging her to "kick as hard as you can" is counter productive and not teaching your daugher good horsemanship. After trying this method and it not working, it was time to move on to plan B. If you keep doing the same thing, you are going to get the same results. I agree that if he is bleeding, it would effect him in all his events. Again, he looks like a very nice horse who is putting up with a lot and your daughter looks to have the ability to be a great rider- just needs a little more experience in how to handle things.
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| I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look . |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:16 PM I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look .
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Location: Nebraska | Did she ride with the people you bought him from? Maybe they will have suggestions on how to properly cue him, after he has been checked out. Did he do it with them at all? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:16 PM I personally don't ride horses. I have Been on them a few times . Not ours but others . I fell off once and another time the horse rubbed me out on the fence . Lol So I'm not much help to her . We do have an amazing trainer and she has allot of the same thoughts as most of you . And again we are addressing her aggressiveness but the last 3 times she ran him he stops so she was very frustrated . She really is a good rider and has results to prove it on her other ponies that are really fast . We have taken all the right steps with this horse and have only walk trotted him since we bought him 6 months ago and now she started to push him and he developed these issues . So this is not something that we have been draging out for ever this just started and we had him looked at by the vet right away . They say he is in great shape . The vet is coming out next week to have another look .
You sound like a great dad and doing his best for his little girl, I wish you the best. Buttt you need a horse vet that specializes in lameness just to rule out any pain issues. And then you can go from there and sit her up with someone thats a great teacher that will give her riding lessons so that she can be helped out with this horse but I think she needs a older horse thats got the experience of a younger rider on its back  |
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| Here's a list of things I would ask the vet to check and rule out, I suspect hind end because of how the horse dumps on his front end, but they are frustrating animals so you never know: Sacrum, Stifles(a locking stifle, spur, or arthritis), Hocks, continue to work your way down.
In the mean time maybe check, saddle fit, teeth, Ulcers, head gear....
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| The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing ! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | FlyingJT - 2015-06-19 4:36 PM Here's a list of things I would ask the vet to check and rule out, I suspect hind end because of how the horse dumps on his front end, but they are frustrating animals so you never know: Sacrum, Stifles(a locking stifle, spur, or arthritis), Hocks, continue to work your way down. In the mean time maybe check, saddle fit, teeth, Ulcers, head gear....
Good list. I would add high suspensory to that. How is he shod? Has anything changed with that?
Let me add, there have been times I had a horse with its sacrum out and having nerve pain. I have a whole new appreciation for what they were feeling after the last 8 days of my life. LOL I twisted my sacrum and even after that part got better and quit hurting, the nerve pain has been migrating and lingering. Today it's in my butt cheek down the back of my leg to my knee. NSAIDs barely touch it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:43 PM The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing !
I saw him jumping off his left hind in one of your videos. Show the vids to your vet. Sometimes things don't show up in a lameness exam because they don't hurt bad enough going slow, but watching a run will give them a place to start. |
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| kiel53 - 2015-06-19 4:43 PM
The horse is 12 and is broke to death . I bought the horse from a guy . It was his wife's and they got a divorce but he kept the horses . He said that he spent allot of money in it but had no other info and he does not want to talk about it . All I can say is he has been a dream horse for my daughter until she started to push him . The vet that we have is a reputable equine only vet and everyone in the area likes them . The last time they came out they said that they could not find anything wrong with him . That checked his teeth,and all the other things that they do. When he comes out again I will mention all this and see what he says . But me I'm betting on a breathing issue . Possibly a bleeder or that flap thing !
I would also X-ray his joints. My vet said chips in the ankle sometimes only bother them when running, What does your trainer say about continuing to run him? Edited to add, this has nothing to do with your daughters skill to ride a fast horse. She does look like she sits and rides well. My girls at her age could sit square in the saddle and win a 1D check but they would not have known how to fix an issue like this either, they needed to learn from an experienced horse person. I know eventually you have to make a run to see if what you are trying is fixing the issue, if he stalls again, have her get off and lead him out- this is not a battle of wills between your daughter and the horse.
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Have you had a chiro work on him? |
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Location: Heart of Texas | He is a very nice horse in serious pain. What bothers me most is the fact the he seems to be starting to pop up in the front while she is trying to get him moving again. He could be just a few runs away from coming over. Please don't let her run him again until he has been gone over properly by qualified vet and you find a reputable trainer. There are 100 different things that could be causing this. I had a horse just like this as a kid in the 80's. This was before we knew anything about soundness. She got worse and worse, almost flipped at the first barrel, and my parents sold her as a brood mare. Probably only needed her hocks injected. |
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Location: Bad Mamajama From South Of Alabama! | Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-19 1:14 PM That horse needs to pulled off barrels untill you can find the problem, hes hurting and bad. He looks really confused and that to me is because he hurts, you can tell hes got heart and is trying but riding him in this matter and getting mad at him, I saw that in the first video is not going to make this horse want to run, theres no rate going into the first barrel and theres a reason for it. You need to take this horse to a lameness Vet and get him looked over with a fine tooth and comb, theres something going on the more you run him the worst its going to get for him. Not just any vet is going to find a problem you have got to take him to a Lameness Vet that will know what to be looking for. These videos just made me feel really bad for this horse. I completely agree with this opinion.....I watched the videos and cringed from how rude on the reins she is, and that horse is in major pain!
I don't want to come off as being mean, but I honestly felt bad for that horse, and no way I would let my child snatch and jerk on a horse like that. You need a Lameness Vet, not some local yocal vet. This horse needs to be pulled off barrels, poles, EVERYTHING, and fix his problem.
You're daughter isn't "riding" that horse, and she isn't rating him at a barrel at all. She's doing nothing more than slamming, banging, and spurring. She needs some seriously lessons on how to actually "ride" with leg ques, rate, and she needs to learn some horsemanship.
Horses WILL talk to us.....but we have to have the common sense to listen to them. This horse is screaming at you!!!, and you aren't listening.
Poor horse. :(
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Location: In a happy place | Not meaning this ugly and I apologize for not agreeing but a Jr. Cowhorse bit can be hard on a horses mouth and especially with how your daughter uses her hands.
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Location: Bad Mamajama From South Of Alabama! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running .
You are doing nothing but making excuses for this child's behavior. If I caught my child snatching and banging on a horse like this is....you would just have to watch me go after my child and yes, I would come unglued right there in the arena before I would let her snatch, bang. jerk, and kick his guts out like that. It's embarrassing and it's also torture to the horse. He's trying to tell you he is in pain!, or that she is too rough on him.
A scope is a waste of money. It won't show the hind gut which is where alot of ulcers form. Just treat the horse with a very good ulcer med, and then keep him on a very good preventative.....Plus, find him a very good Lameness Vet. There's more than just ulcers going on here.
and put the kid back on those ponies if she can ride those so well....she isn't the rider you are making her out to be, and she is ruining a very good horse from what I see in videos. He knows his job, but he's in pain and he's got a rider with no control or clue of how to ride him. We can see that in the videos. She needs some serious training on light hands, and her attitude if this is how she reacts when she is mad at him. From what I have seen in videos and read in your replies, she sould like a spoiled little girl with an attitude. I know it sounds mean, but I"m only being honest. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | My suggestion to you is to pay for a nuclear scan or scintigraphy for your horse. This will give your vet a starting point as to where the location of the pain is coming from. Talk with the facilty before the scan. I had to have two done on a mare that was doing the "exact" same thing as your mare. The first scan I had not worked her in a while and she didn't have any significant "hot" spots. The second scan she had multiple small hot spots. I felt like I had taken her to the best of the best in the lameness field only to come up with no real answers as to why the mare behaved that way. My vet bills were 20K (and yes the mare was worth it.) She had every thing checked from stem to stern. I bred her and have just now started to leg her back up. I injected many joints to no avail. I had a dynamic scope done to check her breathing and multiple ultrasounds depending on the stage of her cycle to check her repro tract for possible causes.
I was able to try many different saddles and had no changes to her cranky attitude that was developing. She had chiro and masssage from some of the best in the world. I all but flew the mare to Europe...
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Location: Bandera, TX | fatchance - 2015-06-19 6:50 PM Pretty sure he has read everyone's thoughts....time to move on and let him handle this situation, God knows we are not in control of it.
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Location: I am not FROM California I just live here! | my bigger question would be how long has this horse been trained on barrels??? Was the horse patterned on barrels before you bought the horse was the horse a finished barrel horse when you bought him???? So many people do not realize how much time it actually takes to make a good solid barrel horse my opinion is 2-3 years of slow work and hauling to be able to call one finished when you start pushing to soon it is way to easy for them to fall apart......JMO |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Everyone here really really wants to help you and your daughter to be successful with this horse if you will listen. Where are you located, maybe someone near you can point you in the best directions of who to go to to help your daughter and her horse! We may come off as harsh but it is because we have all been there at one point in time or another. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | My horse that was diagnosed with a broken pelvis was hesitant to go in, then had a nice 1st barrel, would blow his 2nd barrel (or try and stop on the backside) and then was practically a runaway to 3rd and home. If nothing else do a simple and CHEAP rectal exam on this poor fella and hopefully at least eliminiate that. I am seeing a ton of pain and anxiety in that horse's eyes. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I want to add that pelvis injuries are more common than most people think. They can happen from a simple trip or slip at the barrel, in pasture etc. Some are so bad they bleed out immediately and others are mis-diagnosed as back soreness and SI issues etc. My horse was turned out to pasture during the winter I was pregnant. I got him going again after about a 7 month break and he was never lame, just seemed odd when loping smaller circles etc and was very touchy when his back was brushed. Never misbehaved when I was long trotting or running him straight. It took a lot of money and a lot of vets to find out what was wrong with him. He was given just shy of 2yrs off in pasture and is now enjoying his 2nd career as a show horse/ranch horse/pony horse. Just no hard stops or turns are in his future. |
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Location: Phoenix | I would be xraying joints and lower legs. Ultrasound as well--I say suspensories...my friend had a horse that pretty much stopped at the barrel as well and that's what it was. I would quit doing gymkhana events as well. Give him a break. Let him have some solid time off while you fix him and bring him back in a clean slate. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-19 11:52 PM I want to add that pelvis injuries are more common than most people think. They can happen from a simple trip or slip at the barrel, in pasture etc. Some are so bad they bleed out immediately and others are mis-diagnosed as back soreness and SI issues etc. My horse was turned out to pasture during the winter I was pregnant. I got him going again after about a 7 month break and he was never lame, just seemed odd when loping smaller circles etc and was very touchy when his back was brushed. Never misbehaved when I was long trotting or running him straight. It took a lot of money and a lot of vets to find out what was wrong with him. He was given just shy of 2yrs off in pasture and is now enjoying his 2nd career as a show horse/ranch horse/pony horse. Just no hard stops or turns are in his future.
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Location: Bandera, TX | hammer_time - 2015-06-20 3:05 AM I would be xraying joints and lower legs. Ultrasound as well--I say suspensories...my friend had a horse that pretty much stopped at the barrel as well and that's what it was. I would quit doing gymkhana events as well. Give him a break. Let him have some solid time off while you fix him and bring him back in a clean slate.
I was running a little stud horse that I started years ago last summer. He strained his RH high suspensory and had the very same reaction the horse in the video is displaying.
DAD, owner of horse... as you can see so many possible causes to this behavior.
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| Poster, I hope you'll keep us updated to the progress here. Thank you for putting yourself on the line. So many of us can learn a lot from this and and apply it to our own situations when the occur, so this is a good thing you're doing. I also want to say, that I understand that if you're feeling defensive over this advice, please don't. The comments here are spot on. I've have brought issues to this board and have always walked away better for it.
When I watch the video I see hind end pain. He's avoiding the movement of taking off which requires a push from the hind end...i/e stiffles, hocks, sacrum...etc etc...there is a definate problem and your daughters frustration is only going to result in disaster.
Again, thanks for posting, we sure hope you get this figured out and just put your daughter back on ol reliable until then.
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Location: In a happy place | RidenFly - 2015-06-20 6:07 AM Poster, I hope you'll keep us updated to the progress here. Thank you for putting yourself on the line. So many of us can learn a lot from this and and apply it to our own situations when the occur, so this is a good thing you're doing. I also want to say, that I understand that if you're feeling defensive over this advice, please don't. The comments here are spot on. I've have brought issues to this board and have always walked away better for it.
When I watch the video I see hind end pain. He's avoiding the movement of taking off which requires a push from the hind end...i/e stiffles, hocks, sacrum...etc etc...there is a definate problem and your daughters frustration is only going to result in disaster.
Again, thanks for posting, we sure hope you get this figured out and just put your daughter back on ol reliable until then.
Well said Riden. Most on here want the best for your daughter and her horse. And if possible please let us know how what you do works out. |
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Take a Picture
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| Did you say that your daughter was working with a trainer? My trainer can tell almost immediately where the problem is. Let your trainerchec k the horse out and see what he/she says.
Kids get frustrated easily and I think that is the problem here. If vet says horse is good to go, I would check kissing spine or EPM. These are easily overlooked. I am also wondering if this horse just has your daughter's number or is not used to a heavy handed rider. Your trainer should be able to pick up on this. Reaming the kid out for the way they ride is pointless...As for the shouldering, I would say this horse probably came with this problem. |
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 Coyote Country Queen
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| A couple things that I wonder about that I don't think have been mentioned. First, you said that you walked/ trotted for quite awhile, then just recently added some speed. If you went straight from a trot to the speed shown in the videos, I would say that you've skipped a speed. Slow down and make sure the horse and rider are correct at a slow lope, then slowly begin to increase speed to a run. I think there's a lot to be said about riding quietly, and honestly most of the people I see whipping and riding are really hindering their horses or causing issues. The second thing that I want to discuss is your trainer. I obviously have no idea who your trainer is, but if your trainer is allowing your child to ride like this and isn't remedying the current problem, then I suggest you find a new trainer. I see people advertising daily that they are trainers, when in reality they themselves need to find a trainer. Just because a person calls themselves a trainer doesn't mean they are knowledgeable or experienced. Look around at the jackpots and see who consistently wins or places at the top. Someone who rides horses that appear to enjoy their job without issues. Then approach that person and ask for help.
Lameness and training issues are often difficult to diagnose and then correct. I agree that I would be going to a specialist. I haul over 5 hours one way to get to the specialist I use. And it has been worth every penny, mile, and time spent. I'm not saying your vet isn't good, but it might be time to get a different set of eyes and diagnostic equipment on your horse.
If this truly isn't a pain issue, then it is a mental or training issue. And there are not very many young riders who can fix these kind of issues. Send this horse to a reputable trainer. In reality, it might be best to send the horse off to try to get his issues fixed and sell, and find a horse that is more suited for your daughter. Once they develop issues like this it is going to be a long road to keeping the horse correct. And again, something not easy for a young rider to do.
It sounds like you really want to do right by your daughter and the horse, and sometimes the decisions you have to make are difficult. Good luck, and like others have said, I would love to hear updates. |
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Location: NE Texas | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:50 PM
I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse
Kudos for asking for help! He is a very nice horse.... |
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Porta Potty Pants
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| Sending you positive thoughts to get this fixed! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Had a horse that would run 20.5 second poles...stopped turning first barrel , it was kissing spine. |
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Horse stops at second barrel