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|  No way! Youd have to at least double that price. No issues and sound? I think a unicorn would be easier to find.  |
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| For sure! Every horse is gonna have a quirk or two but that doesn't mean you can't truly find one. Now, are you gonna find one that's gonna go win D&D for under 60k? No way, but we live in a world where everyone keeps overpricing their horses without realizing that the same caliber horses can be found for a lot less. I actually have a friend that bought two true 1D barrel and pole mares, first one runs 20 sec poles and never tips a barrel and she was 15K and the other was 25K (way over priced in my opinion) but she is a true 1D mare that is actually NFR quality. The one mare does run on lasix but I think that's a minor price to pay when she wins everything. |
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This was my thought as well. I guess IMHO most barrel horses of that caliber are going to require some kind of maintenance and/or have quirks to put up with. Or be priced higher |
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Location: Benton City, WA | cheeka77 - 2015-06-20 10:43 PM For sure! Every horse is gonna have a quirk or two but that doesn't mean you can't truly find one. Now, are you gonna find one that's gonna go win D&D for under 60k? No way, but we live in a world where everyone keeps overpricing their horses without realizing that the same caliber horses can be found for a lot less. I actually have a friend that bought two true 1D barrel and pole mares, first one runs 20 sec poles and never tips a barrel and she was 15K and the other was 25K (way over priced in my opinion) but she is a true 1D mare that is actually NFR quality. The one mare does run on lasix but I think that's a minor price to pay when she wins everything.
I am confused. You think that NFR caliber horses that run on lasix are way overpriced at 25K? |
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| Proven- I doubt it. I know of a horse that was a High School Rodeo National qualifier, was sold for 40K to a college girl who rodeos. He was not proven outside of high school rodeo but has gone on to win big pro rodeos, was on his way to the American and was one of the horses that fell in the semi's at Ft. Worth. I imagine his price tag has more than doubled. He does require maintenance, like all horses that are hauled and used. The definition of sound to me is a horse that with routine maintenace, hocks, chiro, etc. can continue to perform to his potential. I work out very hard, I get sore, I do things to help me feel better- I do the same for my horses.
I think the term overpriced is subjective anyway- no horse is overpriced to a person who has the money and wants the horse. We have a gelding that we paid 25K for, well built and talented, usually was in the 1D with my daughter, a not so experienced rider. Everytime we traveled to Waco for a big show, my daughter would receive multiple offers to buy him. The highest offer we turned down was 75K - was he a 75K horse, IDK- not NFR pro quality, but these folks had money and they put a price out there they thought we would not turn down.
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Location: san antonio texas | I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
Andrea, very few can ride like you! If they had your talent they would be buying up every colt you start. But we all know that they need seasoning and many can't or won't tolerate the seasoning process. The people for the most part I believe...know their not good enough to keep those young ones going like you can.
OP, go to the big races or rodeo's open your bank letter stating how much you can spend and then approach a rider with the horse of your liking. I have a friend that has bought many horses this way. They go straight to trailer and to a facilty with a Scint and MRI and a vet that can do an extensive PPE. If the horse passes you get a horse. If he doesn't you still must pay for the PPE and the travel expenses to the facility for the PPE. |
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| call nicle monroe she has 2 right now that are good hootest chickintown and a really pretty grey mare they clock
but you got to be able to ride and keep 1 up i know if i could ride i would call on the grey chick is not my fit but she has the the the wins
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| carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
If I ws a 1D rider I would buy one of yours in a heartbeat. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Yes and No...depends on what you are looking for. I've got two that are true 1D horses at large races (600-1000 head) and have rodeo wins. They are in the $60k range. Have they been to the NFR or won The American? No. They are nice, solid 1D horses that are easy for 90% of the world to ride. Middle aged, quiet and fun to run! Can you buy a Louie or Baby Flo for $60k...Ha ha ha!! Not a chance. The upper end rodeo and top 5 at the major races (BBR, Josey's, Mega, the NFR horses) are $200k++ easily! |
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Location: Texas | I think for 60k you can find a dang nice horse.
We have three very nice mares. Paid $25,000 for one of them, and the other two we got for pretty dang cheap. The one we paid a lot for was winning at the time, sound but had a history of a prior injury that has never affected her one bit. The one I found on craigslist was just straight forward- the horse had been in the 1D before but hadn't been run in two years and had no record I could find. And the third one was being legged up after a year off, had a good record but also had an old injury thats not bothering her. Hadn't clocked like she used to but we did some things and she was back in it in no time.
IMO, long story short.. Every one of those mares is sound but requires some form of maintenance. They are also 12-16 years old so I expect that. We were talking about this last night on the way home from a jackpot. It wasn't a huge one, 125 runners, but my sister's mare won the 1D by 3 tenths and my two mares were the only other two in the open 1D. Someone offered to buy her mare at the race and she turned it down but we got to talking about "what ifs". I wouldn't let any one of those mares go for cheap, regardless that they require joint maintenance and have a history of an injury here or there. I wouldn't let any of them go at all honestly. It's so hard to find horses that fit. |
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Location: san antonio texas | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-06-21 10:37 AM
carlos - 2015-06-21 9:57 AM I have one he's 9. I've won races 300-400 entries on him. I still compete on him now. I outran the Mcleods on Skye in Denton Tx run I a 15.3 in that pen winning that race with almost 300 entries... Won a race at Hamilton Texas last month on him. I don't need him. Everything I own I will sell but as soon as I have one for sale people automatically think it's not good enough.... Well he's good enough to WIN in N Tx... Not only place but WIN.... So I think it's buyers who have unrealistic expectations and think they should be robots.
Andrea, very few can ride like you! If they had your talent they would be buying up every colt you start. But we all know that they need seasoning and many can't or won't tolerate the seasoning process. The people for the most part I believe...know their not good enough to keep those young ones going like you can.
OP, go to the big races or rodeo's open your bank letter stating how much you can spend and then approach a rider with the horse of your liking. I have a friend that has bought many horses this way. They go straight to trailer and to a facilty with a Scint and MRI and a vet that can do an extensive PPE. If the horse passes you get a horse. If he doesn't you still must pay for the PPE and the travel expenses to the facility for the PPE.
He's not young... He's not old he's 9.... he's actually the least work of any horse I have... I ride him 3x a week no barrels and enjoy him on the weekend. And as for the people who won't tolerate seasoning one.... well that right there would be why the seasoned winners are alot of money. It is definetely possible to buy one for very decent and do the work and put the time and effort into a horse and finish it out to be a top horse... And people have the ability to ride if they really want to.... I am a better rider now than I was 10 years ago because I ALWAYS learn from others. I don't think I am better than anyone and I work at it until I figure it out. So again it comes down to buyers wanting a robot. All a person has to do is spend the time and ride with people that are winners and can teach and actually put in the effort..... Not putting in the time will equal not being at ones personal best. I also know of people who simply cannot ride and they still put the time and effort into one... they just find jockeys to jockey the horse... it can be done it's just a matter of what any one talks him/her self out of.
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But I think one point that no one has brought up yet is that... you need to be industry and legitimately know the people and horse you are buying.
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Location: Texas | Texas Tornado - 2015-06-20 11:31 PM
My friend asked me if I thought it was possible to truly find a 1D horse proven with no issues and sound for a budget of 60k. Don't really have an answer for her. So many dishonest horse traders and don't know where she should start to look. Any comments or suggestions? It seems if I had a good rodeo horse or open horse I would not sell for 60k.
You know, $60,000.00 is A LOT of money. And $60k for a horse is REALLY a lot of money! I've never spent that on a horse but I can tell you for a fact that you can buy a nice 1d maintenance free horse for that amount of money. They are out there, you just have to SEEK them out, and when you find them, don't mess around... buy them. If you procrastinate someone else will get them... Just be sure that you can keep them at that level, or have someone available that can help you keep them there. That is the true test with these horses. |
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Location: United States | Agree Agree Agree Agree Agree! You have to know how to keep them feeling fantastic too.
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Location: Southern Oregon | Honestly if I was shopping for a true 1D horse with NO Issues and had a budget to work with. I would be going to EVERY big race their was watching all of the 1D horses carefully....pretty much stocking them. Watching them tied to the trailer, in the warm up pen, waiting to run and after their run. I would watch several of them and then make a list of my top picks and approach the owners with CASH in the amount I think that horse it worth. I honestly think that is the best way to get what you want. You never know what someone will sell for until you have cash in your hand and are talking with them. |
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Location: oklahoma | You can find a nice 1D horse in the $60K price range but good luck fidning one that doesnt need an ounce of maintenence. They are the top performers in the industry and most 1D horses try with more grit than you can imagine. That kind of try will require some type of maintenance. Could be injections, chiro work, adequan, legend etc. Realistic expectations are the key. Now top 1D are $100K plus unless your willing to deal with age etc. but this is just my opinion of the horse market. The other thing is finding someone that will sell their top 1D horse while its still winning. They are out there but hard to find. |
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| The one is only 5 and shes not the one that runs on Lasix but they didn't know when they bought her she was NFR quality, IMO spending that much on a horse period is crazy. I have made all my own horses and sold them for that much but could never imagine spending that much on a young one (especially if you knew the girls age) |
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Location: Texas | cheeka77 - 2015-06-22 2:20 PM
The one is only 5 and shes not the one that runs on Lasix but they didn't know when they bought her she was NFR quality, IMO spending that much on a horse period is crazy. I have made all my own horses and sold them for that much but could never imagine spending that much on a young one (especially if you knew the girls age)
well if you are selling them for that much, don't tell your potential buyers its crazy to pay that!! They may just quit paying :P |
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| yeah......finding one while it is STILL winning.............that ain't gonna happen :) a winning horse is your identity and that don't come cheap
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Location: Kansas | I am amazed that people have the finances to buy a 1D horse. I am very fortunate to have a couple of them but I had to make them with blood, sweat and tears, and I struggle regularly to keep them in the 1D, sound and sane. My gray horse didn't cost a ton as a colt, but if I suddenly had to sell him, he'd have a hefty price tag now because he is so solid, calm enough that a kid could ride and will stand up on any type of ground plus loves to travel & see new things. I think he's the perfect rodeo horse but you're darn right he comes with maintenance and you have to put up with him being a jerk on the ground & a bully to other horses. I've turned down offers to buy him at my trailer and don't believe there is enough money out there for anyone to buy my piglet from me because I know how long it takes to make one like him and how hard it is to keep them at that level. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
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| mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
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Location: Oklahoma | scared of sharks - 2015-06-22 2:27 PM
yeah......finding one while it is STILL winning.............that ain't gonna happen :) a winning horse is your identity and that don't come cheap
This isn't true. I know where there's one that could be bought for that and he just won quite a bit of money this weekend at an 800+ barrel race, but the owner has two small children and a non-horsey husband, and can rarely go to anything but little jackpots, so she has him for sale because she knows the horse is wasted where she's running. Plus, this girl is a heck of a hand, and knows she can probably make another nice horse, or at least one that's good enough to run where she runs. And that's not the only one out there. Some people don't base their identity on a winning horse. Sometimes they base it on being a wife or a mother or something else, and winning horses CAN be bought. I know of it happening all the time. |
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Location: Texas | mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. :)
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| grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status. I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays. I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I agree with Joy, here in Texas the horses are not tougher than anywhere else but by virtue of our state being so big and also being prime barrel racing country, we have a larger concentration of those tough horses. Like Joy said, you can be within 2/10ths and not get a check- even paying out 10 holes. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you! |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Itsme - 2015-06-22 3:57 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
Im always amazed it takes 500+ texans to make a fast run.
Nope it only takes one! But if you don't have competition how do you know how good your horse really is? |
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Location: Texas | mreklaw - 2015-06-22 5:57 PM
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mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!
That I totally agree with... it is way deeper here than most places. I've had plenty of transplants tell me that it was a big change when they started running down south.
If producers and barrel racing organizations would start using the new standard patterns, we wouldn't have to have these discussions about where horses run. Gulf Coast BRA used one last weekend... pattern c, and CasualDust07's sister ran a 14.7 on it. The fastest time prior to that was a 15.2. It would sure put this 1d - 2d or 3d thing to rest, lol.
I'm super happy to report that Pro Elite World Challenge is going to use Pattern C! That's a huge race with a $100,000. payout! |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 7:54 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 5:57 PM
grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM
mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM
There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status.
I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays.
I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
I would consider both of your ponies 1d because they are pretty consistent in the 1d. No your not going to get a check every time but you should be competitive. Also when you run you are usually running against some of the best not just locally. My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!
That I totally agree with... it is way deeper here than most places. I've had plenty of transplants tell me that it was a big change when they started running down south.
If producers and barrel racing organizations would start using the new standard patterns, we wouldn't have to have these discussions about where horses run. Gulf Coast BRA used one last weekend... pattern c, and CasualDust07's sister ran a 14.7 on it. The fastest time prior to that was a 15.2. It would sure put this 1d - 2d or 3d thing to rest, lol.
I'm super happy to report that Pro Elite World Challenge is going to use Pattern C! That's a huge race with a $100,000. payout!
I love the idea of the patterns but ground conditions will still be a major argument. But it's a start in the right direction for sure. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | " My comment was directed at people that go to local and are 1d but almost never hit the 1d at the big events yet they advertise as a 1D horse. People that are looking to buy need to take this into consideration. Seeing the horses winnings and being able to see who they clocked their "1 D" time against is important. Also, I've seen riders make a huge difference. So even if you spend a lot on a 1d horse that doesn't mean they will clock for you!"
This goes to the point that 1D is somewhat regionally dependent. I see this all the time in the pens sizes in our tri state area range from huge to holding pen size. There is a horse here fro sale that is not 1d by any means, but because he ran in the low 15s at a small pen that brings "tough" competition, he is now 1d. Our big shows bring 200-300 entries in the open. A truly consistent 1d horse in this area (regionally) is usually in the 15s. I have a very hard time justifying a 30-40k price tag for a local horse. |
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Location: Texas | I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings.
Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend.
I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there.
So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends. |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-06-23 7:57 AM I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings. Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend. I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there. So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends.
I agree with all of this, a big race here is 125-200 but just last year two colo girls went to the NFR.
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| grinandbareit - 2015-06-22 4:44 PM mreklaw - 2015-06-22 3:35 PM There are people selling that think just because their horse runs 1D local that they are true 1D horses. In my opinion they aren't. If you cant compete and at least place in the TOP of the 1D at 500+ barrel races you do not have a true 1D horse. Granted there are rodeo horses out there that cant place in the 1d but they can win a rodeo. Get proof of CURRENT winnings to see how they placed and WHO they ran against. Also, sometimes it takes the right person to get that little bit extra out of a local 1D horse to get the most out of them, so just because they are local 1D doesn't mean they aren't capable of true 1D status. I disagree with this... I think a 1d horse is any horse that consistently runs within a half second of the winning time. Fact is... no matter how nice they are, they aren't ALWAYS going to be in the money. Especially in today's competition, rodeo or otherwise. It's just unrealistic to think that if you spend X number of dollars on a 1d horse that you will always be in the money. Just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're running in the local playdays. I've been 2/10th out and not gotten a check plenty of times, and I still think my pony is pretty nice. : )
Well my ears just perked up! A half second (sometimes as little as 2/10ths) off is usually where I fall at the rodeos..against some really nice horses. I dont know if your statement holds true in the case of rodeos. The fact that this is my horses first year to go, I guess that isnt too bad afterall :) |
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| Itsme - 2015-06-23 8:19 AM casualdust07 - 2015-06-23 7:57 AM I invite anyone to come to one of our local races and say its not tough because its local. Really?? Guess what- One of our local girls, on a horse she ran here quite a few times, is currently 6th in the NFR standings. Another local horse, "Froggy," just won $1600 at CPRAs in central Texas last weekend. I don't get to haul to big races- that's not my horses faults that I can't afford to haul to big shows when they come up, or that I can't miss school to go to them, or that we can't find someone to feed 8 horses, 5 dogs, and 13 cats at our place when we try and go somewhere far. Two of the three mares we run have records that extend to those big races- Lucy has run a 14.8 at Glen Rose, has placed 4th in the 1D at ANHA, filled my WPRA permit. Sorry that poor mare has to lower herself to run "local" now because I can't afford to haul her. Ole Rare Hope is an NBHA TX State Champion with an LTE over $25,000. But I did get to go to a big race in Marshall over Easter and Lucy was in the 1D average. Bottom of it, but she was there. So no, when I actually do get to go to a big show, I don't clock as good as I normally do because they aren't exactly used to staying in a box stall all weekend, I'm not exactly used to the change of scenery, and my little sister for sure becomes a ball of nerves. And the 2 or 3 chances a year I get to go to a big show, what are the odds that all of our horses work their best and I work my best? Something always comes up- like a blown abscess, a thrown shoe, a respiratory infection. It never ends. I agree with all of this, a big race here is 125-200 but just last year two colo girls went to the NFR. Tough is tough no matter the number of riders or location but the highlighted part below is the only reason I believe super races are or can be a little faster, with that many top riders and horses someone is likely to have a run of a lifetime.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | The difference between a "Big" barrel race down here and a local race is most true 1D or high dollar rodeo horses aren't gonna run for $250 at a local race. That is not to say those girls wont show up with their colts but not their good horses. Just look at the names and different horses that show up at a Gonzales Wrapn3 where the 1D winner will win $600 versus $1000+ at the big ones in Boerne. Usually 250-300 more horses come to run at more money and you will see NFR horses and nice rodeo horses. And yes the good horses have to start from somewhere, good grief some people take everything so personal. Sure there are nice horses in all areas of the country, I lived in Colorado for awhile and a 50 horse race was surely tough. I drove up and thought it was going to be easy and barely got out with a check. The OP was asking how to find a True 1D horse and I just think you have to take into consideration who, when and where that horse obtained that 1D status that it is being marketed for. Done. 
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Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment.
Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out.
Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL |
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| mreklaw - 2015-06-23 10:22 AM The difference between a "Big" barrel race down here and a local race is most true 1D or high dollar rodeo horses aren't gonna run for $250 at a local race. That is not to say those girls wont show up with their colts but not their good horses. Just look at the names and different horses that show up at a Gonzales Wrapn3 where the 1D winner will win $600 versus $1000+ at the big ones in Boerne. Usually 250-300 more horses come to run at more money and you will see NFR horses and nice rodeo horses. And yes the good horses have to start from somewhere, good grief some people take everything so personal. Sure there are nice horses in all areas of the country, I lived in Colorado for awhile and a 50 horse race was surely tough. I drove up and thought it was going to be easy and barely got out with a check. The OP was asking how to find a True 1D horse and I just think you have to take into consideration who, when and where that horse obtained that 1D status that it is being marketed for. Done.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | In my opinion there are two classes of horses. 1D horses and pro rodeo horses. The 1D horses aren't neccessarily going to win squat on the rodeo trail. The ones that can win in both places are worth a lot. Like 6 figures because there just isn't many of those out there. Now the 1D barrel race horse, there are many of them out there and I think if you look hard enough they can be found worth the money. I also think all the big figure talk is many times just that, talk. People have figured out if they say they paid a butt load for one then when they have to get rid of it because it didn't work out they can say they are offering a discounted horse when in all actuality they are just getting their money back. It is all smoke and mirrors. It happens in a lot of industries. |
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The next horse you go to purchase jump up and down in front of it FOUR TIMES. Spin in one circle, bark like a dog, and throw a cup of sugar over your left shoulder.
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Location: western Nebraska | astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
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astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest?
If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas...
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astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest?
If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas...
Sorry, had to say it.
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Location: NE Texas | doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
Here's my predicament......he handily tried to buck me off last year at home when I made a practice run on him, and I am admittely cautious about really making a run on him now. I ride him every day and I will cruise him through, but I am cautious to run him home from the third barrel, as he did it when I was pulling up, after where the timer would be. Secondly, I have two step daughters who are my #1 priority and I spend alot of weekends at softball games and don't get to haul as much as I used to. I too thought it might be in my (his) best interest to sell so someone would be able to haul him and continue seasoning him, as I have no doubt that with the right jockey he's the kind of horse that deserves a shot to qualify for the American at some point. I had made up my mind I was going to sell him and priced him to a very few people who I knew had the clientele to ride a horse of this caliber, who is also pretty quirky, and then I decided nah....i'll just keep him when I didn't immediately get any bites. Last week I received a text that someone is interested in trying him and my stomach sank. I'm not one to back out on my word, and I will probably let them try him should they ask to, but if it's not a perfect fit and I don't feel good about it, he'll just have to hang out with me and we can figure it out a little at a time as I get my confidence in myself back! Like you, it would break my heart to see this colt a year from now blown up and hating his life. He's too talented and special to just sell for the sake of selling and risk a bad fit or someone not understanding all the "personality" that goes with him. Who knows....maybe one of these days i'll be the one to try to qualify him for the American.....
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astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
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doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest?
If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas...
Sorry, had to say it.
I don't know if there were any tx horses there but there were some Oklahoma ones. Also at least four former nfr qualifiers so I am thinking it was a pretty tough barrel race!!!'m |
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astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest?
If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas...
Sorry, had to say it.
What about a true 1D horse in California?
Well since Cali a warmer southern type climate you gain an automatic .4-.6 but im not sure how to calculate for the liberals and hippies, if i remember correctly its a .5 deduction. Ill plug it into my program once i get home and let you know. |
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doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest?
If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas...
Sorry, had to say it.
I don't know if there were any tx horses there but there were some Oklahoma ones. Also at least four former nfr qualifiers so I am thinking it was a pretty tough barrel race!!!'m
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Location: Kansas | Itsme - 2015-06-25 7:42 PM doglady - 2015-06-25 6:42 PM Itsme - 2015-06-25 9:06 AM doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
1 tenth off in the midwest? If my exchange rates are correct that would be squeaking into the 2d in texas... Sorry, had to say it. I don't know if there were any tx horses there but there were some Oklahoma ones. Also at least four former nfr qualifiers so I am thinking it was a pretty tough barrel race!!!'m Very tough!
Itsme, doglady had been there, done that and is still currently active. I would not be surprised to see her at the NFR again.
She knows what and where tough competition is.
If you pay attention to what she posts you might learn something
Doglady congrats on the Bonus race. Glad your horses are doing so nicely.
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Location: Arkansas | Herbie - 2015-06-25 9:28 AM
doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
Here's my predicament......he handily tried to buck me off last year at home when I made a practice run on him, and I am admittely cautious about really making a run on him now. I ride him every day and I will cruise him through, but I am cautious to run him home from the third barrel, as he did it when I was pulling up, after where the timer would be. Secondly, I have two step daughters who are my #1 priority and I spend alot of weekends at softball games and don't get to haul as much as I used to. I too thought it might be in my (his) best interest to sell so someone would be able to haul him and continue seasoning him, as I have no doubt that with the right jockey he's the kind of horse that deserves a shot to qualify for the American at some point. I had made up my mind I was going to sell him and priced him to a very few people who I knew had the clientele to ride a horse of this caliber, who is also pretty quirky, and then I decided nah....i'll just keep him when I didn't immediately get any bites. Last week I received a text that someone is interested in trying him and my stomach sank. I'm not one to back out on my word, and I will probably let them try him should they ask to, but if it's not a perfect fit and I don't feel good about it, he'll just have to hang out with me and we can figure it out a little at a time as I get my confidence in myself back! Like you, it would break my heart to see this colt a year from now blown up and hating his life. He's too talented and special to just sell for the sake of selling and risk a bad fit or someone not understanding all the "personality" that goes with him. Who knows....maybe one of these days i'll be the one to try to qualify him for the American.....
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| doglady - 2015-06-25 1:07 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL
This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
Well ya kno you wanna follow that old lady that wins out to the truck once she jus made a horrible run and is doubting herself....remember everyone ask when they are mad or feeling that they can't stay with them! Because once they realize they can stay with them they don't wanna sale! Go kick booty on em Martee! |
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Location: NE Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-26 12:20 AM Herbie - 2015-06-25 9:28 AM doglady - 2015-06-25 12:07 AM astreakinchic - 2015-06-23 10:45 AM You can find one for that but you need to know what your looking for and what you can fix and turn into one. Go to a large super show or big 4D. Watch the older ladies and pick you out some older lady holding back for her life with a hard running horse that wants to work and is about a second to a half second off. Buy him, send him to a trainer to be tuned up.....you'll be surprised what you have. Oh and don't expect to get a bargain this way...most of these ladies know their lil precious could be a bad motor scooter so you will stay be paying a hefty price tag but not as expensive as one thats winning the world at the moment. Another one is to be able to pick out one that is hurting which is the biggest gamble because you may not be able to fix the physical aliment, running in pain might have really blown their mind mentally and it'll take a year or more to fix them, and you may only get one or two runs a month once they are fixed. So you might pay money in and have a hard time getting it back out. Last is the horse that gets bought right after the futurity year by well meaning parents for lil susie. Lil susie is all excited with her new hyped up mount and she just runs the fire outta it. Pretty soon its railing, its blowing out, its not clocking and lil susie hates it. Most of those colts right out of the derby or futurity year are not ready to be hammered on and you can get some decent buys off of their first "open owners" who drop the hammer hard on them and don't know how to put them back together. Its best to walk up at the show and ask them how much while they are still mad at the horse LOL This cracks me up-I am the old lady. Two weeks ago at the Bonus Race Finals in Lincoln my fat little horse Mojo won 3rd by less than a tenth. I had people follow me back to my stall and have had several calls since then wanting me to price him. I sold him once and he was gone for three years. I had a chance to get him back and he isn't going anywhere again.
I also bought a really cool horse last August and I have been working on getting him sound. It has taken 9 months to get him physically sound and I have made 9 easy runs on him and he is just about there. I have spent as much at the vet as he cost now.
I also have a couple of horses that got fried at the futurities and I have spent two years on them getting their minds back and having them love running barrels.
Now I think I should sell a few of them. So I have had a lot of calls and decided I have to keep them all-I have spent so much time on them-I just can't take a chance on someone else messing them back up!!!
Here's my predicament......he handily tried to buck me off last year at home when I made a practice run on him, and I am admittely cautious about really making a run on him now. I ride him every day and I will cruise him through, but I am cautious to run him home from the third barrel, as he did it when I was pulling up, after where the timer would be. Secondly, I have two step daughters who are my #1 priority and I spend alot of weekends at softball games and don't get to haul as much as I used to. I too thought it might be in my (his) best interest to sell so someone would be able to haul him and continue seasoning him, as I have no doubt that with the right jockey he's the kind of horse that deserves a shot to qualify for the American at some point. I had made up my mind I was going to sell him and priced him to a very few people who I knew had the clientele to ride a horse of this caliber, who is also pretty quirky, and then I decided nah....i'll just keep him when I didn't immediately get any bites. Last week I received a text that someone is interested in trying him and my stomach sank. I'm not one to back out on my word, and I will probably let them try him should they ask to, but if it's not a perfect fit and I don't feel good about it, he'll just have to hang out with me and we can figure it out a little at a time as I get my confidence in myself back! Like you, it would break my heart to see this colt a year from now blown up and hating his life. He's too talented and special to just sell for the sake of selling and risk a bad fit or someone not understanding all the "personality" that goes with him. Who knows....maybe one of these days i'll be the one to try to qualify him for the American..... I think you got the answer---he deserves YOU to take him where he's headed!! Pay window and The American here y'all come!!
Thank you Chandler's Mom and Itsme.....i'm gonna try. Will be a betty barrel racer/play day patty for a while, but we'll get there hopefully. I appreciate ya'lls kind words.  |
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How to find a true 1D horse ?