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Location: The edge of no where | Oops.... One owns a track, the other runs a track and they can't keep their horses clean??? ARGH!!! I really hope the racing commission comes down hard on them.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/horse-co-owned-by-ruidosos-hubbard-among-four-testing-positive-for-clenbuterol/Horse Co-Owned by Ruidoso’s Hubbard Among Four Testing Positive For Clenbuterol Lilly Is First, winner of the $337,186 Mountain Top New Mexico Quarter Horse Futurity at Ruidoso Downs on June 13, tested positive for clenbuterol while qualifying for the race in a futurity trial at the New Mexico racetrack on May 29, according to Vince Mares, executive director of the New Mexico Racing Commission. The filly is one of four Quarter horses from the barn of trainer Michael Joiner to test positive for the bronchodilator over a one-week period in late May, Mares confirmed to the Paulick Report. Lilly Is First is owned in partnership by R. D. Hubbard, Paul Blanchard and Mike Abraham. Hubbard is owner of Ruidoso Downs, which last fall announced enhanced surveillance and “super testing” for its major races beginning in 2015. Blanchard operates The Downs Racetrack & Casino in Albuquerque, Abraham is a leading New Mexico horse breeder. Joiner is the seventh-ranked trainer nationally by money won, according to the American Quarter Horse Association. Lilly Is First, a daughter of First Moonflash bred by Abraham, won her career debut in the futurity trials, drawing off by two lengths as the 7-5 favorite. She won the Mountain Top Futurity by three-quarters of a length as the 8-5 second betting choice. The three other Joiner-trained horses that Mares said tested positive for clenbuterol were: –Koby’s Wagon, winner of a May 23 Ruidoso Futurity trial by 1 ¼ lengths. The gelding is owned by Scott and Monica Jones. –Thunderball B, second in a May 24 Ruidoso Derby trial heat, beaten a half-length by the favorite Bf Farm Boss. Thunderball B is owned by Patrick Guthrie, Billy G. Smith, Paul Blanchard and Andrew F. Grooms. –Straw Fly Flower, second, beaten 1 ½ lengths by favorite Jess Cruzin On By, in a Mountain Top Futurity trial on May 29. Straw Fly Flower is owned by Brad Williams. Hubbard announced last September that Ruidoso Downs was cracking down on medication violators, which he called a “cancer to horse racing.” The measures included requirements that horses entered in major races be stabled at the track and be subjected to out-of-competition testing to “ensure that those who participate in the major futurities and derbies at Ruidoso will be able to compete on a level playing field through added efforts to deter and potentially catch anyone who would attempt to drug a horse, thus ensuring the welfare of the horses and jockeys and eliminating unfair advantages for all participants. We simply will not tolerate such illegal behavior.” The AQHA in December said it was moving toward a zero-tolerance policy on clenbuterol. New Mexico has in recent years toughened its medication rules and improved testing in order to combat rampant drug abuse by some horsemen in the state. Rulings on the four Joiner horses have yet to be posted on the New Mexico Racing Commission website.
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Location: NE Texas | Oops! i've said it once and i'll say it a million times, trainers, owners, AND the horses that test positive should receive fines and suspensions. Getting in the pocket book of the owner by not allowing the horse to run after a drug infraction might get their attention. Fining or suspending the trainer alone just allows said trainer and/or owner put the horse in someone else's barn and it's business as usual. |
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Location: Lala Land | I'm sure the owner's had NO IDEA.  I hope they come down hard on all involved. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Herbie - 2015-06-23 8:58 AM Oops! i've said it once and i'll say it a million times, trainers, owners, AND the horses that test positive should receive fines and suspensions. Getting in the pocket book of the owner by not allowing the horse to run after a drug infraction might get their attention. Fining or suspending the trainer alone just allows said trainer and/or owner put the horse in someone else's barn and it's business as usual.
I'm in total agreement with you. It's really silly to think that Blanchard and Hubbard didn't know what was going on. The only way to give trainers a fighting chance is to hold the owners just as liable...otherwise, they'll just move the horses and pressure someone else into the win at all costs mentality. It's just rather the fox guarding the henhouse....since they're both such big names, will the racing commission go after them or it's going to be a slap on the wrist and a 'goodness, boys, please don't do that again'.. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Here's some quotes from Hubbard last fall about people that use illegal means to gain an advantage.
Ruidoso’s Hubbard: Cheaters a ‘Cancer to Horse Racing’
“We are announcing today,” Hubbard said, “the first of several steps that will ensure that those who participate in the major futurities and derbies at Ruidoso will be able to compete on a level playing field through added efforts to deter and potentially catch anyone who would attempt to drug a horse, thus ensuring the welfare of the horses and jockeys and eliminating unfair advantages for all participants. We simply will not tolerate such illegal behavior.”
These steps are being taken in coordination with the American Quarter Horse Association, through its president Johnny Trotter. “We are working closely with Johnny in developing these steps and look forward to continued coordination with him and the AQHA in following through on these steps as well as other steps still to be announced,” Hubbard said.
Specifically, the first phase of the program involves new track rules that will be put in place prior to the 2015 Ruidoso Downs’ racing season. All of the rules will be clearly identified to all owners and trainers through the stall applications and condition books. In addition, the current nomination blanks require all owners abide by all rules of the New Mexico Racing Commission and the track. The new rules include:
· All horses must be on the grounds in the Ruidoso barn area 10 days before running in the trials of each of the Ruidoso Triple Crown futurities and derbies run during the Ruidoso race season. Total estimated purses for the six Grade 1 futurities and derbies is more than $8.5 million. There is also a $4 million bonus to the connections of any horse who can sweep the three futurities.
· All horses that qualify for the finals of one of the futurities or derbies will be required to stay on the grounds through the running of the finals.
· All horses will be subject to a “roll call” at any time during these periods. These “spot checks” will be conducted by (but not limited to) the horse identifier and track security.
· The track will install new surveillance cameras at the stable gate(s), test barn along with barns and stalls of the 20 qualifiers to the futurities and derbies.
· The new rules will require that any horse not in compliance will be scratched from the trials and/or finals.
“These new rules will ensure that horses getting ready to participate in the trials or finals of our major ultra-rich races will remain under the direct supervision of both the race track and the New Mexico Racing Commission security and surveillance,” Hubbard added. “Studies have found that many of those instances of medicating horses have been done while the horse is stabled off track. This will help overcome that problem.”Furthermore, Ruidoso Downs is working with the New Mexico Racing Commission and the American Quarter Horse Association on additional steps that will be announced soon on enhanced testing and search procedures that will further ensure racing’s integrity.
“I have been competing in horse racing for over 50 years and I love the sport,” Hubbard said. “I will not stand idly by and watch anyone attempt to ruin the sport without doing all that the NMRC, AQHA and Ruidoso Downs can to stop it and then pursuing whatever criminal charges are available to ensure that they are severely punished.”
Mr. Hubbard, Ruidoso Downs and the AQHA have been at the forefront of efforts to curb those who would attempt to break the rules of racing for several years. They worked closely with the New Mexico Racing Commission to strengthen the penalties on perpetrators that have resulted in suspensions and fines that are 10 and 20 times greater than ever done before. The Commission and Ruidoso Downs further successfully worked together to gain additional funding from the Governor and Legislature that resulted in additional and better testing that has significantly curbed drug violations already.
“I must emphasize that we are not yet finished,” added Hubbard. “There will be additional steps that we are currently working on that will be announced in the weeks ahead.”
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ZERO TOLERANCE IN OKLAHOMA FOR CLENBUTEROL. Come on trainers, you know it's illegal, yet you still want to use it. FINE THEM ALL...HORSES, TRAINERS, AND OWNERS |
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Location: The edge of no where | total performance - 2015-06-23 9:26 AM ZERO TOLERANCE IN OKLAHOMA FOR CLENBUTEROL. Come on trainers, you know it's illegal, yet you still want to use it. FINE THEM ALL...HORSES, TRAINERS, AND OWNERS
Do you think fining alone works? I know Hubbard and Blanchard have such deep pockets that it's pocket change to them...I think they should be banned from running for a period of time. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | MS2011 - 2015-06-23 9:40 AM total performance - 2015-06-23 9:26 AM ZERO TOLERANCE IN OKLAHOMA FOR CLENBUTEROL. Come on trainers, you know it's illegal, yet you still want to use it. FINE THEM ALL...HORSES, TRAINERS, AND OWNERS Do you think fining alone works? I know Hubbard and Blanchard have such deep pockets that it's pocket change to them...I think they should be banned from running for a period of time.
Along with fines they do get "days". But I also think the horse needs to be banned for a period of time so that the owners can't transfer to another trainer and continue on. AQHA is stepping up also and banning horses and trainers. |
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| So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins. |
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Location: NE Texas | strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:21 PM So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins.
It's your job as the owner to say you DO NOT want your colt on any illegal drugs, AT ALL. If he tells you that you cannot win without doing it, then you find another trainer. Avoidance of the question doesn't make you innocent, your trainer is your employee, you pay him for a service, it's your job to be sure the service is being completed to your wishes. When I sent my horses to the track, I asked the question, and if I didn't like the answer I pulled my horse. |
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| What I'm saying is they will more then likely do it, without out asking owner and if they get caught owner takes fall with them. How would you know for sure your horse wasn't being drugged unless you test him periodically before he goes to track. |
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Location: NE Texas | strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:35 PM What I'm saying is they will more then likely do it, without out asking owner and if they get caught owner takes fall with them. How would you know for sure your horse wasn't being drugged unless you test him periodically before he goes to track.
You ensure that you have expressed how serious you are about your horse running clean and you seek out a trainer who is willing to do it! How could you as an owner put a horse in someone's care who you don't feel like would respect your wishes and do what is in the best interest of your horse??? Not to mention endanger not only your horse and jockey, but other horses and jockeys running down that racetrack???? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2015-06-23 1:29 PM strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:21 PM So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins. It's your job as the owner to say you DO NOT want your colt on any illegal drugs, AT ALL. If he tells you that you cannot win without doing it, then you find another trainer. Avoidance of the question doesn't make you innocent, your trainer is your employee, you pay him for a service, it's your job to be sure the service is being completed to your wishes. When I sent my horses to the track, I asked the question, and if I didn't like the answer I pulled my horse.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:21 PM So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins.
And so when the test comes back positive for a prohibited drug...what are you going to ask then?? And that's after you loose the purse, your trainer gets fined and your horse gets days for being on illegal meds. Ask the questions first! |
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Location: The edge of no where | strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:21 PM So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins.
These guys are NOT new to racing...they've been around a very looooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg time. ESPECIALLY being in the positions they are, they need to be held to a high standard.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | total performance - 2015-06-23 1:39 PM Herbie - 2015-06-23 1:29 PM strawfly special - 2015-06-23 1:21 PM So I'm new to horse racing, have nice colt at trainers, that's working real nice, and trainer really,really wants to win. Do you think he would call me and ask do you mind if I drug your colt? NO he's going to do what ever it takes to win. He could care less what I think as long as he wins. It's your job as the owner to say you DO NOT want your colt on any illegal drugs, AT ALL. If he tells you that you cannot win without doing it, then you find another trainer. Avoidance of the question doesn't make you innocent, your trainer is your employee, you pay him for a service, it's your job to be sure the service is being completed to your wishes. When I sent my horses to the track, I asked the question, and if I didn't like the answer I pulled my horse.
Until every connection involved with a bad test receives a substantial fine and suspension racing will not be cleaned up. It is ridiculous that it has taken this long for associations officials to even begin to clamp down. For as long as I can remember the little people in racing have had to play by the rules while the big money/names have had carte blanche to do whatever it takes to walk away with 99.9% of the big purses. I wonder how long it will before they get the message that times are changing. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I have a few thoughts on this but first of all I would say my guess is 90% of owners have NO IDEA what happens in the barn much less to their own horse. The other 10% are the owners who pressure the trainers to win AT ALL COST aka- drugs or electric or blocking joints, whatever.
Secondly, most trainers (who actually win) will not engage in such talk that allows an owner to talk about running clean. Or if they do, they tell the owner what they want to hear.
Lastly, if these horses that cant win without drugs are then banned or given days- our disposibilty of the race horse will increase.
But all that being said, I do not have a soloution. Even the trainers who are banned are still running and winning under other trainers names. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | TurnLane - 2015-06-23 2:44 PM I have a few thoughts on this but first of all I would say my guess is 90% of owners have NO IDEA what happens in the barn much less to their own horse. The other 10% are the owners who pressure the trainers to win AT ALL COST aka- drugs or electric or blocking joints, whatever.
Secondly, most trainers (who actually win) will not engage in such talk that allows an owner to talk about running clean. Or if they do, they tell the owner what they want to hear.
Lastly, if these horses that cant win without drugs are then banned or given days- our disposibilty of the race horse will increase.
But all that being said, I do not have a soloution. Even the trainers who are banned are still running and winning under other trainers names. There is so much program training going on right now in Oklahoma. It'll make your head spin trying to keep up with all of it.
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| I think Hubbard got payback for restricting drugs and hard core racing rules for trainers ...looks like someone doped some look alike horses in the same barn the weekends of the 13th, 23rd and 29th ... to get even ... he was very down on the Mexicans that won the All American and the Juvenile when their hauled in on race day horses won and could barely walk or stand and had to be vanned off the track... one of the rules was ... no horses can be hauled in prior to a race and must be stabled on the track.
Clenbuterol shows up in hair strands and looking at each 1/4 inch section of hair can tell you how long a horse has been on clenbuterol .. due to the use of Lasix and allowing horses to pee their excess drugs off prior to the race helps to clear the horses system out so more common drugs will not show on pee tests ... but leave enough of the drug in muscles, spleen to enhance the horses abilities or pain threshold and it is burned off during the race ...
Lilly Is First, winner of the $337,186 Mountain Top New Mexico Quarter Horse Futurity at Ruidoso Downs on June 13, tested positive for clenbuterol while qualifying for the race in a futurity trial at the New Mexico racetrack on May 29, according to Vince Mares, executive director of the New Mexico Racing Commission. The filly is one of four Quarter horses from the barn of trainer Michael Joiner to test positive for the bronchodilator over a one-week period in late May, Mares confirmed to the Paulick Report.
Lilly Is First is owned in partnership by R. D. Hubbard, Paul Blanchard and Mike Abraham. Hubbard is owner of Ruidoso Downs, which last fall announced enhanced surveillance and “super testing” for its major races beginning in 2015. Blanchard operates The Downs Racetrack & Casino in Albuquerque, Abraham is a leading New Mexico horse breeder.
Joiner is the seventh-ranked trainer nationally by money won, according to the American Quarter Horse Association.
Lilly Is First, a daughter of First Moonflash bred by Abraham, won her career debut in the futurity trials, drawing off by two lengths as the 7-5 favorite. She won the Mountain Top Futurity by three-quarters of a length as the 8-5 second betting choice.
The three other Joiner-trained horses that Mares said tested positive for clenbuterol were:
–Koby’s Wagon, winner of a May 23 Ruidoso Futurity trial by 1 ¼ lengths. The gelding is owned by Scott and Monica Jones.
–Thunderball B, second in a May 24 Ruidoso Derby trial heat, beaten a half-length by the favorite Bf Farm Boss. Thunderball B is owned by Patrick Guthrie, Billy G. Smith, Paul Blanchard and Andrew F. Grooms.
–Straw Fly Flower, second, beaten 1 ½ lengths by favorite Jess Cruzin On By, in a Mountain Top Futurity trial on May 29. Straw Fly Flower is owned by Brad Williams.
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Location: Lala Land | Looks like there are more suspensions this week at different tracks in NM. I wonder if they will ever really get a handle on this?
http://www.stallionesearch.com/default.asp?section=6&story=17457
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Lovin Life - 2015-06-24 9:44 AM Looks like there are more suspensions this week at different tracks in NM. I wonder if they will ever really get a handle on this? http://www.stallionesearch.com/default.asp?section=6&story=1745...
And they not only fined the trainer, but the owner as well and he lost purse money. Heck of a lick for an owner to have to absorb when it all could be avoided. |
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Location: Lala Land | total performance - 2015-06-24 9:56 AM
Lovin Life - 2015-06-24 9:44 AM Looks like there are more suspensions this week at different tracks in NM. I wonder if they will ever really get a handle on this? http://www.stallionesearch.com/default.asp?section=6&story=17457[/q...
And they not only fined the trainer, but the owner as well and he lost purse money. Heck of a lick for an owner to have to absorb when it all could be avoided.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Just passing through so I have a few comments and observations!
Trainers never tell what is going on with an owners horse.
When an owner says my horse is clean and their trainer would never give the horse something I just laugh inside. I have witnessed trainers doing things and have had owners say to me my trainer would never give...........
The trainers are responsible for all their horses so I would not be surprised that horse tampering will start to ruin people and owners.
At Ruidoso and other big tracks when a horse qualifies for the big races there is survelance and guards 24/7. People are greedy!
When it comes to money and prestidge people will do anything.
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Track owner's horse tests positive for clenbuterol