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| So at this point it has been decided to use omeprazole instead of ranitidine to haul my mare. The ranitidine did no good. The day after the barrel race she started leaving grain in her bucket. I gave her a tube of the Horseprerace omep and the next day she was slightly better, gave another and she was almost back to normal the day after that. So here's my delema:
It has been proven that the Abler granules work. They are $6/day TX and $2/day prevention. BUT it's $30 shipping and hoping it gets here in a week or free shipping and it gets here in a month.
I have now seen with my own eyes that the small tubes by horseprerace work. But due to the fact that they are "knock off" I would always want to give her a full dose in case there truly isn't 2.3g in the tube. That makes it a constant $5/day. With 2-3 day shipping it's $8.
I am not sure what route to go.
Yall feel free to share experiences with any of this. I just want to bounce ideas.
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Location: Texas | My horse has pretty bad ulcers. I treated with ranitadine. Now he is on aloe vera twice a day and when I haul I give him 60 cc of malox about an hour before we run. He is acting like a whole new horse |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Aloe vera juice will kill off all the bacteria in the stomach...good and bad. Not a good thing to feed daily. Most all the meds out there are really not a good thing for long term treatment/prevention. |
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Location: South Central Florida | I posted before, I have used the Horseprerace Omeprazol. We have been hauling with it ever since I did the treatment. We now give it every time she runs, locally or on the road. We give a quarter of the Horseprerace Omep am and pm. I also give another 1/4 of the tube everytime she puts a foot in the trailer. It has worked amazingly well. It is harder to dose than the namebrand because it is not as thick, but what ever the actual doseage is, it had made this horse eat every bit at every meal every day on the road. |
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| Swannranch - 2015-06-29 7:26 PM
I posted before, I have used the Horseprerace Omeprazol. We have been hauling with it ever since I did the treatment. We now give it every time she runs, locally or on the road. We give a quarter of the Horseprerace Omep am and pm. I also give another 1/4 of the tube everytime she puts a foot in the trailer. It has worked amazingly well. It is harder to dose than the namebrand because it is not as thick, but what ever the actual doseage is, it had made this horse eat every bit at every meal every day on the road.
So she gets a 1/2 tube a day reguardless during hauling season plus another 1/4 when you go? I'm just trying to get it right. I though about doing 1/2 tube 2 days before through day after.
It all just makes me nervous because I see how miserable she is the days following when whatever I have done hasn't worked :/ |
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Location: South Central Florida | If she is at home in the pasture, I don't give any. I do give 1/4 day before we are going anywhere. Then on the road yes, 1/2 a day while on the road. Then IF she is hauling on the trailer that day, she gets another 1/4 tube.
We just got home from our NBHA State show, this was our routine for 6 days. I did give another 1/4 tube the day after we got home. We have been home 6 days. We are leaving for Perry on Thursday, so Wed I'll give her 1/4 tube...every day 1/4 am and 1/4 pm. The day we come home an extra 1/4 tube then another 1/4 tube Monday since I think we are coming home on Sunday. She was 5th out of 880 at our State show and as I said, she has never eaten like she did on this trip...totally relaxed and eating.
I also give Animal Element In the Zone, because she tends to not drink, but with that she drinks tons of water.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-29 8:12 PM Aloe vera juice will kill off all the bacteria in the stomach...good and bad. Not a good thing to feed daily. Most all the meds out there are really not a good thing for long term treatment/prevention.
Really?? I never heard that. Why does so many ulcer treatments have aloe in the ingredients list than?  |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Swannranch - 2015-06-29 8:45 PM If she is at home in the pasture, I don't give any. I do give 1/4 day before we are going anywhere. Then on the road yes, 1/2 a day while on the road. Then IF she is hauling on the trailer that day, she gets another 1/4 tube.
We just got home from our NBHA State show, this was our routine for 6 days. I did give another 1/4 tube the day after we got home. We have been home 6 days. We are leaving for Perry on Thursday, so Wed I'll give her 1/4 tube...every day 1/4 am and 1/4 pm. The day we come home an extra 1/4 tube then another 1/4 tube Monday since I think we are coming home on Sunday. She was 5th out of 880 at our State show and as I said, she has never eaten like she did on this trip...totally relaxed and eating.
I also give Animal Element In the Zone, because she tends to not drink, but with that she drinks tons of water.
The last show I went to I gave a full tube of Gastrogard the day before and all 4 days we were there. He didn't eat anything. At $35 a tube I was not happy. So your horse started eating at shows when using the Prerace Formula? |
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | Swannranch - 2015-06-29 8:26 PM
I posted before, I have used the Horseprerace Omeprazol. We have been hauling with it ever since I did the treatment. We now give it every time she runs, locally or on the road. We give a quarter of the Horseprerace Omep am and pm. I also give another 1/4 of the tube everytime she puts a foot in the trailer. It has worked amazingly well. It is harder to dose than the namebrand because it is not as thick, but what ever the actual doseage is, it had made this horse eat every bit at every meal every day on the road.
I use this as well and LOVE it. Different horse. Just don't leave it in your trailer in the heat.....bad news, lol. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Mainer-racer - 2015-06-30 7:21 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-29 8:12 PM Aloe vera juice will kill off all the bacteria in the stomach...good and bad. Not a good thing to feed daily. Most all the meds out there are really not a good thing for long term treatment/prevention. Really?? I never heard that. Why does so many ulcer treatments have aloe in the ingredients list than?
I left a message so waiting on a phone call to explain better. But I imagine it is the size of the dose? If it is added in something maybe not so bad, but I have heard from different sources that Aloe fed daily by itself is really going to end up doing more harm than good. I know most everything for ulcers has it in it, as does GastroPLUS (aloe vera powder). People have had great success with many of those so we know it must work, but used alone I am told it is a no go. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Mainer-racer - 2015-06-30 9:24 AM Swannranch - 2015-06-29 8:45 PM If she is at home in the pasture, I don't give any. I do give 1/4 day before we are going anywhere. Then on the road yes, 1/2 a day while on the road. Then IF she is hauling on the trailer that day, she gets another 1/4 tube.
We just got home from our NBHA State show, this was our routine for 6 days. I did give another 1/4 tube the day after we got home. We have been home 6 days. We are leaving for Perry on Thursday, so Wed I'll give her 1/4 tube...every day 1/4 am and 1/4 pm. The day we come home an extra 1/4 tube then another 1/4 tube Monday since I think we are coming home on Sunday. She was 5th out of 880 at our State show and as I said, she has never eaten like she did on this trip...totally relaxed and eating.
I also give Animal Element In the Zone, because she tends to not drink, but with that she drinks tons of water.
The last show I went to I gave a full tube of Gastrogard the day before and all 4 days we were there. He didn't eat anything. At $35 a tube I was not happy. So your horse started eating at shows when using the Prerace Formula?
Our local vet had a clinic and offerred free scoping. We returned home from Open World on Sunday, the free scoping was Tuesday so in my opinion it was perfect timing. She had 2 grade 2 ulcers and 2 more "spots". We did partly the Ulcerguard/Gastroguard and partly the Omeprazol from Horseprerace because I didn't have enough money for 100% UG.
The last trip we took was a week and a half ago. Different horse. Ate every bit of everything we put in the feed pan. Ate all the hay, and was at the gate waiting for her feed at every feeding. Grazed instead of wandering when we took her out. She as also very relaxed. VERY relaxed...I was kind of worried at first. We gave the minimum dose of Horseprerace Omeprazol the whole week.
No one can guarantee what will work, but at $7. a tube it is worth trying. The biggest difference I see with this product is it is thinner and it will run out of the tube and is harder to dose. But I've learned to work with it. If I had more money, I would use Ulcerguard and I buy it every time I find it on sale or have enough money. At least with the cheaper stuff you can try it again and it won't cost so much. I would do the 30 day treatment though then try it on the road.
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Location: South Central Florida | Yes I've used the big tube. It's the same with the same results. It's just even harder to dose partialy...as I said before it is a little runny and when it's hot it's way worse. Financially I do the big tube sometimes, but I like the smaller tubes for several reasons. It's a little easeir to dose, I don't feel like I've wasted as much if it spills or I get more than I planned in the mouth. Horse seems to not mind the smaller tube in her mouth. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Swannranch - 2015-06-30 1:14 PM Mainer-racer - 2015-06-30 9:24 AM Swannranch - 2015-06-29 8:45 PM If she is at home in the pasture, I don't give any. I do give 1/4 day before we are going anywhere. Then on the road yes, 1/2 a day while on the road. Then IF she is hauling on the trailer that day, she gets another 1/4 tube.
We just got home from our NBHA State show, this was our routine for 6 days. I did give another 1/4 tube the day after we got home. We have been home 6 days. We are leaving for Perry on Thursday, so Wed I'll give her 1/4 tube...every day 1/4 am and 1/4 pm. The day we come home an extra 1/4 tube then another 1/4 tube Monday since I think we are coming home on Sunday. She was 5th out of 880 at our State show and as I said, she has never eaten like she did on this trip...totally relaxed and eating.
I also give Animal Element In the Zone, because she tends to not drink, but with that she drinks tons of water.
The last show I went to I gave a full tube of Gastrogard the day before and all 4 days we were there. He didn't eat anything. At $35 a tube I was not happy. So your horse started eating at shows when using the Prerace Formula?
Our local vet had a clinic and offerred free scoping. We returned home from Open World on Sunday, the free scoping was Tuesday so in my opinion it was perfect timing. She had 2 grade 2 ulcers and 2 more "spots". We did partly the Ulcerguard/Gastroguard and partly the Omeprazol from Horseprerace because I didn't have enough money for 100% UG.
The last trip we took was a week and a half ago. Different horse. Ate every bit of everything we put in the feed pan. Ate all the hay, and was at the gate waiting for her feed at every feeding. Grazed instead of wandering when we took her out. She as also very relaxed. VERY relaxed...I was kind of worried at first. We gave the minimum dose of Horseprerace Omeprazol the whole week.
No one can guarantee what will work, but at $7. a tube it is worth trying. The biggest difference I see with this product is it is thinner and it will run out of the tube and is harder to dose. But I've learned to work with it. If I had more money, I would use Ulcerguard and I buy it every time I find it on sale or have enough money. At least with the cheaper stuff you can try it again and it won't cost so much. I would do the 30 day treatment though then try it on the road.
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-06-30 9:25 AM
Has anyone ever used the mutldose tube?
I have used the multidose tube and found I got better more consistent results with the little tubes. The compound might be different, I'm not sure. |
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Location: Valley City,ND | Buy Made in the USA products that use human grade pharmaceuticals in formulas that have been lab tested for stability n potency. So every dose contains what's on the label. Every 10 ml of my proprietary omeprazole suspension has 2.3 grams of omeprazole in a stable base, proven by an iindependent lab. Just because the selling company is located in the USA does not mean it was made in the USA or have any governing board to guarantee quality n standards are met. You don't know what you're actually giving your horse because it's made in some foreign country with no guidelines. Both horseprerace and Abler have been investigated by the FDA and failed testing.
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www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/cvmupdates/ucm422694.htm
www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm421133.htm
www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm422545.htm
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| Crooks - 2015-06-30 1:39 PM
Buy Made in the USA products that use human grade pharmaceuticals in formulas that have been lab tested for stability n potency. So every dose contains what's on the label. Every 10 ml of my proprietary omeprazole suspension has 2.3 grams of omeprazole in a stable base, proven by an iindependent lab. Just because the selling company is located in the USA does not mean it was made in the USA or have any governing board to guarantee quality n standards are met. You don't know what you're actually giving your horse because it's made in some foreign country with no guidelines. Both horseprerace and Abler have been investigated by the FDA and failed testing.
Webpages
www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/cvmupdates/ucm422694.htm
www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm421133.htm
www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm422545.htm
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Location: Valley City,ND | $200 for 300ml. Treatment dosage is 4mg/kg/day or 2.3 grams once daily for 28 days. Strength is 2.3grams per 10ml of molasses flavored suspension so 10 ml daily for 28 days then use the remainder to wean off to prevent acid rebound or use as daily maintenance or prevention. Works out to $6.67 per day to treat & $1.67 per day for maintenance or prevention. |
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| Crooks - 2015-06-30 3:26 PM
$200 for 300ml. Treatment dosage is 4mg/kg/day or 2.3 grams once daily for 28 days. Strength is 2.3grams per 10ml of molasses flavored suspension so 10 ml daily for 28 days then use the remainder to wean off to prevent acid rebound or use as daily maintenance or prevention. Works out to $6.67 per day to treat & $1.67 per day for maintenance or prevention.
Next questio. Would be if other companies can't find a good carrier for the drug to get where it needs to go in paste/liquid form, how have you?
I don't mean to sound rude at all, just honest questions. Looking for the best route possible. |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-01 7:13 AM Horseprerace.com
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Location: Valley City,ND | I'm a PCCA Certified Compounding Pharmacist and Registered Pharmacist so I have the chemistry and research training. I spent quite a few years in the lab researching and experimenting with many bases and combinations until I finally found one that is at the Eagle Analytical Lab in Houston Tx. I have the lab report proving stability and potency for 18 months as of now and at 24 months I can start applying for my commercial and NADA numbers. I can email you or anyone interested the 18 month lab results (the one on my website is the one year lab result report--I'm in the process of updating the website). I understand the confusion--everyone thinks if it is labeled and sold in the USA then it has to be okay or correct--but far from it--it can be made in a garage in Panama by people that don't know what a gram is, sent to the US, and sold --all with no guarantees or proof of what is in that tube. The FDA is on to them but this is happening with animal and human drugs and the companies keep changing names and locations. That's why it is up to the horse owner to question where their horses' medications are coming from and ask for proof of stability, potency, standards in the lab compounding or manufacturing these products. The FDA cannot keep up and shut them down fast enough to protect the human or animal public--it's going to have to be up to us to do some of the research ourselves. |
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$11.95 a tube
Ranitidine/Omeprazole paste tubes
Get your vet to write you a script and you can treat at 1/2 tube for 30 days and then use it as preventative at 1/4 a tube for shows. This is the company most vets like Dr. Ford buys their paste from and slaps their name on it. Safe, affordable, and it works... |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | No time to read the posts, but maybe this has already been said...from Dr. Madalyn Ward, DVM in Texas...I've fed her papaya for my horses for years!
A Papaya a Day Keeps the Ulcers Away
Since digestive health plays such an important role in our horses’ health and happiness, and since we’ve focused so much on ulcers recently, in this article I’m offering a highly educational article by Gillian Clissold on beneficial properties of papaya on digestion. Enjoy!
The Role of Papaya
Papaya aids digestion in part by increasing mucous secretion in the mouth, esophagus and stomach. In some cases, a horse that had been turning its nose up at food starts eating within moments of the administration of papaya. There seems to be what could be called a “reverse Pavlovian response”. The horse’s mouth waters, so it feels the urge to eat.
Even more importantly, papaya initiates a thickening of the horse’s natural stomach lining which provides protection against excess acid. It both gives damaged tissues a chance to heal, and helps prevent new ulcers. In horses moving vigorously (race horses, eventers, endurance horses) the esophageal mucous protection can help keep reflux from damaging the esophagus. In an ulcer study published in the March 2005 issue of The Horse Journal, “rapid relief within three to five days” was reported. The same study reported that the other major natural products for digestive problems, herbal blends, worked considerably more slowly.
In one case a weanling with severe ulcers and a bloated stomach did not respond to expensive pharmaceuticals but did recover to papaya. A race horse that had such severe ulcers it could not race, even after many weeks on an acid reducing pharmaceutical, had a clear endoscopic exam after three weeks on papaya, and then won a stakes race.
Unlike most of the conventional anti-ulcer treatments, papaya is safe for long-term use. The calcium/magnesium antacid type products work by neutralizing acid and coating the stomach wall with a chalky protective layer. However, if they are used over an extended period, resulting high levels of magnesium can interfere with the absorption of calcium. Low calcium levels can cause nervousness, bone changes, weak and aching muscles and abnormal heart rhythms. The expensive pharmaceuticals which reduce acid production are great for most acute ulcer symptoms. However, acid is needed to control and modify bacteria in the gut. If the acid levels are low for many months, “bad” bacteria, particularly Salmonella, can overpopulate the digestive tract and create conditions for colic. Furthermore, prolonged low acid levels can cause poor absorption of vitamin B12, inefficient utilization of dietary protein, food allergies, bloating and foul manure.
Papaya is also useful in conjunction with administration of certain medicines. Many barn managers “prep” the horse with a half dose of papaya to trigger extra mucous in the digestive tract lining just before they administer an anti-inflammatory capable of damaging the stomach lining. They then administer the anti-inflammatory, and follow up with another half dose of papaya to wash away the foul taste of the medicine.
Similarly, endurance riders and eventers who give electrolytes to their mounts mix the powder with papaya before administering. The extra mucous triggered by the papaya protects the mouth, esophagus and stomach from the caustic burn of frequent electrolyte administrations.
The mucous producing characteristic of papaya is complemented by the enzyme it contains, papain. Papain is the main active ingredient in meat tenderizer. It closely resembles the digestive enzyme pepsin. Old horses benefit from papaya because its enzyme breaks down what their less efficient digestive tract can’t and they gain weight. Papaya also helps foals who get “scours” when the hormones in their mother’s milk changes during the first heat presents the foal’s digestive tract with a new challenge, for which it does not have the appropriate microbe population. The papain enzyme picks up where the foal’s own system is insufficient.
Weaning is a stressful time, too. Not only are foals anxious (creating conditions for an ulcer), but they must deal with a change in diet, for which they may not have the correct balance of gut “bugs”. In addition to the papaya induced ulcer-preventative mucous secretion, the papain helps weanlings digest new diets while their gut microbes are adjusting.
Cribbing often decreases when horses have papaya daily. Cribbing incidence at weaning is drastically reduced, and about half of adult cribbers also reduce or cease the habit. While most positive effects of papaya are evident in a week, in the case of a confirmed cribber, it can take up to a month for improvement. (Cribbing associated with stomach pain or missing nutrients is most responsive to papaya.)
Similarly, when antibiotics kill good gut bacteria, leaving the digestive tract unable to sufficiently break down food, diarrhea results. Papaya picks up where the bacteria leave off, and antibiotic-induced diarrhea can improve.
When horses get diarrhea during trailering, it can in part be due t
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Location: wolverton,mn | I'm just going to weigh in on equinerxsolutions,I have used the company for various things and I think it's great! The omeprazole worked super for a mare we treated. I would use the product again in a minute |
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Can we talk about the different kinds of omeprazole out there?