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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | I sold a girl a horse about 10 years ago, maybe even a little longer. She still has him, he's turned into her once in a lifetime horse, and she absolutely loves him.
Fast forward to now, she is in the process of getting a divorce, and her ex husband wants her to pay him for half of the horse. The horse was bought WAY before they were married. She bought the horse from me about 10 years ago and they have only been married maybe 2 years.
She filed for a divorce in the same county that I did for mine. The judge told me that any horses that I owned before the marriage, were mine free and clear, anything that was bought or born during the marriage, we had to split. I told the girl this (since it is the exact same county) and she is going to discuss this with her lawyer.
Here is my question; she asked me to fill out a bill of sale, showing when I sold her the horse, price, etc. My mother is absolutely freaking out. Saying I don't need to get involved, I don't need to make her a bill of sale, they could drag me into this, too much time has passed, blah, blah, blah. Though I don't really see what the problem would be? I would tell the truth, I sold her the horse years ago and there's no reason for me to get into trouble, right? She has his papers, and a transfer was filled out, so if she transferred him (I've never checked) he should be in her name from way back when.
She wants me to meet her Friday and fill out a bill of sale. Should I just do it? Mom's got me worried that I shouldn't....but I'd hate to see her have to pay half for a horse that she bought years and years ago. |
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| I don't see a problem with it but did you have one when you sold her the horse 10 years ago? I am just one of those people who keeps stuff like that "somewhere" in case I ever need it like in this situation. I don't see how they could drag you into it unless the horse was sold for a good amount of money and you didn't report it to the IRS or something. |
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Location: Kansas | If she bought the horse herself, give her a bill of sale.....well at least I would. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-07-01 9:53 AM
I don't see a problem with it but did you have one when you sold her the horse 10 years ago? I am just one of those people who keeps stuff like that "somewhere" in case I ever need it like in this situation. I don't see how they could drag you into it unless the horse was sold for a good amount of money and you didn't report it to the IRS or something.
I'm almost positive I did, but I've been married, divorced, and moved about 4 times since then. I lost a LOT of paperwork during the divorce, it was in boxes that he packed up and it ended up with him.
The horse was not sold for a good amount of money, we sold him at a loss just to move him. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-07-01 9:53 AM
If she bought the horse herself, give her a bill of sale.....well at least I would.
It was her and her mom, the girl was like 14 or so at the time. |
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Location: Texas | I would also give her a bill of sale, if you are telling the truth I don't see how you would be in the wrong. Now, I don't know the legal part of all this but if it were me I would give her one.
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Write it up for her. With the date on the transfer papers...there's already a record there. This will make her life easier and the jerk can just deal with it. He is not entitled to half of the value of the horse purchased so long ago before the marriage. And...the horse is older now so odds are it is worth less now?. If it were a vehicle he wouldn't be getting 1/2 of the original purchase price any way. He can pound sand as far as that goes.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | TrailGirl - 2015-07-01 10:28 AM
Write it up for her. With the date on the transfer papers...there's already a record there. This will make her life easier and the jerk can just deal with it. He is not entitled to half of the value of the horse purchased so long ago before the marriage. And...the horse is older now so odds are it is worth less now?. If it were a vehicle he wouldn't be getting 1/2 of the original purchase price any way. He can pound sand as far as that goes.
That was my thought as well. I think he's a 23 yo mean old gelding now...not like he's worth a fortune. The man's just trying to be a jerk and hurt her. |
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Location: KS | Ya, I'd probably write her up one too. Also I dont know how she paid but if they wrote a check they could look back and prove it that way also. |
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| If you sign a statement that you sold her a horse on a given date I see on problem. However if she is asking you to sign a back dated bill of sale I do. |
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Location: southeast Texas | If she did a transfer, the new registration paper should have dates on it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont see why she wanted you to write a bill of sale after all this time, why dont she just use his papers, her name is on them was my first thought, but wirte a bill of sale for her if that what she wants, some people have me scratching my head at times. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Peewee212 - 2015-07-01 10:34 AM
Ya, I'd probably write her up one too. Also I dont know how she paid but if they wrote a check they could look back and prove it that way also.
We could, but that would be a pain to do. Considering she thinks she bought the horse in 2008 and I'm thinking it was more like 2004... |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | roxieannie - 2015-07-01 10:38 AM
If she did a transfer, the new registration paper should have dates on it.
I know but I don't know if she ever transferred him, I'll ask her later. He's not AQHA so I can't just look it up. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Leo - 2015-07-01 10:43 AM Peewee212 - 2015-07-01 10:34 AM Ya, I'd probably write her up one too. Also I dont know how she paid but if they wrote a check they could look back and prove it that way also. We could, but that would be a pain to do. Considering she thinks she bought the horse in 2008 and I'm thinking it was more like 2004...
Tell her to look on his papers the date of the transfer will be on them. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-01 10:43 AM
I dont see why she wanted you to write a bill of sale after all this time, why dont she just use his papers, her name is on them was my first thought, but wirte a bill of sale for her if that what she wants, some people have me scratching my head at times.
I honestly don't know that she ever turned them in. |
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Location: Kansas | Leo - 2015-07-01 10:32 AM TrailGirl - 2015-07-01 10:28 AM Write it up for her. With the date on the transfer papers...there's already a record there. This will make her life easier and the jerk can just deal with it. He is not entitled to half of the value of the horse purchased so long ago before the marriage. And...the horse is older now so odds are it is worth less now?. If it were a vehicle he wouldn't be getting 1/2 of the original purchase price any way. He can pound sand as far as that goes. That was my thought as well. I think he's a 23 yo mean old gelding now...not like he's worth a fortune. The man's just trying to be a jerk and hurt her.
Most men turn into a-holes when things like this happen. I hope the best for her. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-07-01 10:49 AM
Leo - 2015-07-01 10:32 AM TrailGirl - 2015-07-01 10:28 AM Write it up for her. With the date on the transfer papers...there's already a record there. This will make her life easier and the jerk can just deal with it. He is not entitled to half of the value of the horse purchased so long ago before the marriage. And...the horse is older now so odds are it is worth less now?. If it were a vehicle he wouldn't be getting 1/2 of the original purchase price any way. He can pound sand as far as that goes. That was my thought as well. I think he's a 23 yo mean old gelding now...not like he's worth a fortune. The man's just trying to be a jerk and hurt her.
Most PEOPLE turn into jerks in divorce. I sure don't think the men have the market cornered. |
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Location: Kansas | TrailGirl - 2015-07-01 10:52 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-07-01 10:49 AM Leo - 2015-07-01 10:32 AM TrailGirl - 2015-07-01 10:28 AM Write it up for her. With the date on the transfer papers...there's already a record there. This will make her life easier and the jerk can just deal with it. He is not entitled to half of the value of the horse purchased so long ago before the marriage. And...the horse is older now so odds are it is worth less now?. If it were a vehicle he wouldn't be getting 1/2 of the original purchase price any way. He can pound sand as far as that goes. That was my thought as well. I think he's a 23 yo mean old gelding now...not like he's worth a fortune. The man's just trying to be a jerk and hurt her. Most PEOPLE turn into jerks in divorce. I sure don't think the men have the market cornered.
Well I was never married and had the same issue with my ex.....so wouldn't know the woman side but thanks |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Write her a statement.
I did the same thing once before and did end up going to court for the girl.
Was absolutely no big deal, just a couple hours out of my day to tell a judge that I had sold the horse several years before.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | More than likely, she is asking for a bill of sale because she has NOT sent in the transfer, therefore has no way of showing ownership. Ask her for the date on the transfer. Then write a statement that the sale of the horse took place on that date to _____ for $_____ and you may want to have it notarized. |
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Location: Tennessee | If you're talking about the horse I think you're talking about, it definitely wasn't 2008. I bought Stone from you in 2007, b/c I moved back to TN in 2006. You had him in late 2004/2005. Write her the statement :-) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kdb2qq - 2015-07-01 12:20 PM If you're talking about the horse I think you're talking about, it definitely wasn't 2008. I bought Stone from you in 2007, b/c I moved back to TN in 2006. You had him in late 2004/2005. Write her the statement :-) Are you talking about the same horse that Leo sold?
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| I wouldnt necessarily call it a bill of sale... more like an affidavit. You may get supeoned to court but I think its worth it in this case. Make sure the statement is true and have it notorized. |
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Location: SE KS | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-01 10:43 AM
I dont see why she wanted you to write a bill of sale after all this time, why dont she just use his papers, her name is on them was my first thought, but wirte a bill of sale for her if that what she wants, some people have me scratching my head at times.
Just because you & I know how the transfer of papers works, doesn't mean the judge does!! The judge will understand a Bill of Sale a whole lot better than he will the transfer paperwork, although the transfer paperwork/papers will back up/verify the bill of sale!!!! |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | if you are hesitant to write her a bill of sale a notarized affidavit (statement) saying when you sold her the horse should be more than adequate for her legal needs.
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | kdb2qq - 2015-07-01 12:20 PM
If you're talking about the horse I think you're talking about, it definitely wasn't 2008. I bought Stone from you in 2007, b/c I moved back to TN in 2006. You had him in late 2004/2005. Write her the statement :-)
That's what I was thinking. We bought him in 2003-ish. I got married in 2006 and he was gone before I got married. I was talking to her on the phone and told her I would write it. Mom overheard and flipped her lid... |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-01 12:23 PM
kdb2qq - 2015-07-01 12:20 PM If you're talking about the horse I think you're talking about, it definitely wasn't 2008. I bought Stone from you in 2007, b/c I moved back to TN in 2006. You had him in late 2004/2005. Write her the statement :-) Are you talking about the same horse that Leo sold?
She is in the first sentence. The rest is for a timeline. :) |
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| I would do it for her without hesitation. The truth is the truth. I dont think you would be implicated further, and if you were O well. You would be doing the right thing IMO. |
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| I had this happen with a mobile home. Sold the guy died. Adult children needed a bill of sale. We met at a bank. Signed it . Had it motorized. Done. |
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Location: That part of Texas | Leo - 2015-07-01 9:48 AM I sold a girl a horse about 10 years ago, maybe even a little longer. She still has him, he's turned into her once in a lifetime horse, and she absolutely loves him. Fast forward to now, she is in the process of getting a divorce, and her ex husband wants her to pay him for half of the horse. The horse was bought WAY before they were married. She bought the horse from me about 10 years ago and they have only been married maybe 2 years. She filed for a divorce in the same county that I did for mine. The judge told me that any horses that I owned before the marriage, were mine free and clear, anything that was bought or born during the marriage, we had to split. I told the girl this (since it is the exact same county) and she is going to discuss this with her lawyer. Here is my question; she asked me to fill out a bill of sale, showing when I sold her the horse, price, etc. My mother is absolutely freaking out. Saying I don't need to get involved, I don't need to make her a bill of sale, they could drag me into this, too much time has passed, blah, blah, blah. Though I don't really see what the problem would be? I would tell the truth, I sold her the horse years ago and there's no reason for me to get into trouble, right? She has his papers, and a transfer was filled out, so if she transferred him (I've never checked) he should be in her name from way back when. She wants me to meet her Friday and fill out a bill of sale. Should I just do it? Mom's got me worried that I shouldn't....but I'd hate to see her have to pay half for a horse that she bought years and years ago.
As long as you are not falsifying the amount or possible date (and it can be to the best of your knowledge) I don't see how you could legally be in any trouble. You are already a potential witness if needed because you have knowledge of the horse amount and possible timeframe for the sale date so you are not giving her anything that she wasn't already entitled to or that you could be subpeoned to testify about. So by your prior actions, you're already "involved" (according to your mother's view lol) whether you want to be or not. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Red Raider - 2015-07-01 3:22 PM
Leo - 2015-07-01 9:48 AM I sold a girl a horse about 10 years ago, maybe even a little longer. She still has him, he's turned into her once in a lifetime horse, and she absolutely loves him. Fast forward to now, she is in the process of getting a divorce, and her ex husband wants her to pay him for half of the horse. The horse was bought WAY before they were married. She bought the horse from me about 10 years ago and they have only been married maybe 2 years. She filed for a divorce in the same county that I did for mine. The judge told me that any horses that I owned before the marriage, were mine free and clear, anything that was bought or born during the marriage, we had to split. I told the girl this (since it is the exact same county) and she is going to discuss this with her lawyer. Here is my question; she asked me to fill out a bill of sale, showing when I sold her the horse, price, etc. My mother is absolutely freaking out. Saying I don't need to get involved, I don't need to make her a bill of sale, they could drag me into this, too much time has passed, blah, blah, blah. Though I don't really see what the problem would be? I would tell the truth, I sold her the horse years ago and there's no reason for me to get into trouble, right? She has his papers, and a transfer was filled out, so if she transferred him (I've never checked) he should be in her name from way back when. She wants me to meet her Friday and fill out a bill of sale. Should I just do it? Mom's got me worried that I shouldn't....but I'd hate to see her have to pay half for a horse that she bought years and years ago.
As long as you are not falsifying the amount or possible date (and it can be to the best of your knowledge) I don't see how you could legally be in any trouble. You are already a potential witness if needed because you have knowledge of the horse amount and possible timeframe for the sale date so you are not giving her anything that she wasn't already entitled to or that you could be subpeoned to testify about. So by your prior actions, you're already "involved" (according to your mother's view lol) whether you want to be or not.
I agree here... But I'm curious.... Who has been working to pay the bills for this horse since they got married? It could very well be he is due that money. |
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