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Location: KS | I know this isnt horse related, but Ive notice from observing that you're all here for anything, so I have a question on Religion and some of the things different churches do. Ive been married close to 5 years now, my husband and I grew up in different churches which neither one of us care about, but we did get married in my church. Needless to say his parents made a major deal over it, i felt like i needed to stick up for myself and my husband and I had already decided that this was what we wanted so I got married in my church. My husbands father did not come to our wedding, he said if we didnt get married in their church he wasnt going, said he raised his son better than that. It took me a long time to get over it, my husband is one who shows no emotion and he said he didnt care. Well about a year later I let his Dad have it, he tried to tell me it wasnt me that he didnt go bc of his son not me, well Im the one who wanted to get married in my church so it was me. Anyway i actually have a somewhat decent relationship with my father in law now, I got over the fact he wasnt there and decided it was his loss.
But the way his dad acted made me think differently of his church, and I wish it hadnt because I know really good people who go to the same church. And I realize today it wasnt the church it was him, but what makes someone make up things about their church or religion to get others to do what they want?
Which brings me to something they call Cornerstone? This is when the church goes around asking elderly people if they can take life insurance policies out on them, the church will pay for the premium and then well collect when the person passes away. I was shicked when I found out this is what they were doing and Ive never believed in this, and what gets me even more is they ask people who arent part of their church who belong to a different church. Im from a pretty small area and I dont know of any church doing this but my husbands. I was told now that their church didnt start this project the other religions started this, but ive never heard of any other doing it. Does this go on in anyone else's area? Do you know what church or religion founded this?
Again Im sorry this is so off topic, just curious if anyone else has dealt with something similar.
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That sounds pretty messed up....taking out policies on elderly folks. It's like they are just hoping they die so they can collect that cash. That just seems wrong...especially if they are not members!
Are they also helping take care of these elderly? Bring meals...visit etc? or are they just being vultures?
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere |  WOW!!! That's all I can say...WOW 
And good for you for standing up to your father in law for what you believe in! |
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Location: Midwest | I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and church. I have NEVER heard of anything like that.... sounds shady! |
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Location: Kentucky | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-01 11:45 AM I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and church. I have NEVER heard of anything like that.... sounds shady!
Ditto. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I have never heard of such a thing either. In any religion. Weird to say the least. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Sounds like said church is making some pretty awesome financial decisions! Maybe they need to buy a plane....
Edited by ~BINGO~ 2015-07-01 12:00 PM
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Location: Deep South | I certainly would not want any part of a church that was doing this.
First I would question whether or not it was true. Then I would definitely question the church. |
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Location: Texas | I would have nothing to do with a church like that. But I also choose my relationships based on a person's character, not what church they belong to. I'm catholic too. Never heard of this, but it sounds like they are exploiting the elderly & the insurance company. Sounds a little sketchy. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | While this sounds a bit funny, I don't know that its any different than when an elderly person decides to leave their estate to their church. Happens all the time. This would also allow the elderly person to leave their estate to family members and still give something to their church when they died. I can see why some would like it. Certainly I would think the church would be raking it in.
That being said, still sounds funny and would personally make me uncomfortable. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | For a church asking to take a life insurance policie out on their elderly members so they can collect the money when they died is creepy to me.
My Father and Mother in law gave their church some of their land so that could build a new church on it and will be willing some money to them when they both pass away and I think thats just awesome what they did, but for a church to suggest taking out life insurance on the elderly members just dont sound right. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | that sounds like NO church i have ever heard of.... sound more like a cult to me. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Doesn't sound like any kind of church I've ever been too.....
What type of church is it?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Religion" is big money, if you can find a gig. Just ask Joel Osteen, and others like him. It's also one place where "tolerance" is taught, particularly tolerance of hypocrisy. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | IN BIG Letters RUN
Dont know what church may be but the only retirement plan God offers is ETERNAL with Him If you are one of his children through Christ.
Its not churches place to do this.Never heard of it anywhere,Those deals are for family security
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Location: Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-01 10:45 AM I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and church. I have NEVER heard of anything like that.... sounds shady!
Same here, I'm catholic and the churches I went to growing up never ever did this. |
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Location: East Texas | My husband is a pastor and he would say that is unethical and shady!!! If someone wants to leave the church some money when they go, they can put it in their will or direct someone to do that for them. |
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Location: south central usa | although i dont agree with that practice....i'll take the other position...the elderly are out nothing. if they wanted to leave their entire estate to someone else, they could and then the church would benefit off a policy that the church was also paying the premium on...creepy- yes. interesting idea though...it would possibly benefit (financially) other charities / family members as the estate could be divided up without the current church in the equation.
would i be member of such church...no.
didnt think the "religions" have been mentioned...yet from from personal experiences - i have noticed that most catholics are more tolerant/non-defamatory of other religions...and on the flip side there are some that they wouldnt even put a foot in another church other than theirs |
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Location: KS | Its a Catholic church. My husbands family and his fathers family and so on have been going to the church for ages. My own father and his family and so on also grew up Catholic, 20 miles north of this church. Yes, I honestly believe its not the church but that its some or majority of the members of this church. The priest that has been there for several years now let everyone know about a month ago he would be leaving the church by choice. He said he had several reasons but the main to were because of the Cornerstone project, he was not a believer in taking life insurance policies out on the elderly for the churches benefits, and that he felt there were several families trying to run the church their way which is not the right way. I think alot of the father, he blessed our marriage in the Catholic church and when we went to all the premarital classes (we went to both the Catholic ones and the Lutherans ones, I am Lutheran) he told me how wrong it was the way my inlaws were reacting. "Word on the street" is that my mother in law is one of the several families.
My husband doesnt want to leave the church, but he has told me hasnt gotten much out of it. I dont want him to leave his Catholic faith because he didnt ask me to leave mine (his father wouldnt marry his mother until she was confirmed as a Catholic, this was back in the 70s, his father expected me to do the same, my husband didnt expect the same from me.) He refuses to go to my Lutheran church and I know its because of his folks, so its out of my control. I go to the Catholic church more often than I attend my own church because I enjoy going with my husband, but Im not enjoying the service, I dont feel like Im getting the same out of it as I do when I attend my church or any other church at that. I've even suggested going to another Catholic church, there is several in the area, but I think he feels like hes betraying his family in a way.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Religion has it's place... Many people have been saved by it.... Many people have been killed by it or because of it... Personally, I don't have any use for it.
Edited by komet. 2015-07-02 5:55 PM
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| Bear - 2015-07-01 12:54 PM
"Religion" is big money, if you can find a gig. Just ask Joel Osteen, and others like him. It's also one place where "tolerance" is taught, particularly tolerance of hypocrisy.
In MY opinion, I think they should pay TAXES and for the life of me, I can't understand why they don't have to. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Griz - 2015-07-02 5:37 AM
Bear - 2015-07-01 12:54 PM
"Religion" is big money, if you can find a gig. Just ask Joel Osteen, and others like him. It's also one place where "tolerance" is taught, particularly tolerance of hypocrisy.
In MY opinion, I think they should pay TAXES and for the life of me, I can't understand why they don't have to.
This is not hard to figure out...If you want to suppress religion, you tax it into submission... |
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| I'm catholic and have never heard of that being done. Seems very strange and maybe unique to that particular church. Sorry you have had such a bad experience with the Catholic Church. I promise most are not like that. |
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Location: North Dakota | Murphy - 2015-07-01 10:54 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-01 11:45 AM I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and church. I have NEVER heard of anything like that.... sounds shady! Ditto.
Double ditto. |
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| komet. - 2015-07-02 5:44 AM
Griz - 2015-07-02 5:37 AM
Bear - 2015-07-01 12:54 PM
"Religion" is big money, if you can find a gig. Just ask Joel Osteen, and others like him. It's also one place where "tolerance" is taught, particularly tolerance of hypocrisy.
In MY opinion, I think they should pay TAXES and for the life of me, I can't understand why they don't have to.
This is not hard to figure out...If you want to suppress religion, you tax it into submission...
Very valid point - I hadn't thought of it that way. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I was raised Catholic and I typed out a long reponse and decided I better just keep my feelings on the Catholic Church to myself but I have never heard of any church taking out life insurance policies on their elderly. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-02 10:23 AM
Murphy - 2015-07-01 10:54 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-01 11:45 AM I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and church. I have NEVER heard of anything like that.... sounds shady! Ditto.
Double ditto.
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Location: KS | caspersabelpip - 2015-07-02 8:04 AM
I'm catholic and have never heard of that being done. Seems very strange and maybe unique to that particular church. Sorry you have had such a bad experience with the Catholic Church. I promise most are not like that.
I wouldnt say Im the one with the bad experience at least I dont feel that way. My Dads family was Catholic and they would have never acted this way. There are families that go to that same church that dont act that way. And I dont get why there are families who think they have the power to run the church, and I mean they are telling the priest what to do. I have almost agree with a response earlier when the word "cult" was brought up.
I actually believe my husbands family is the one with the bad experience, his mother especially you acts like she's more religious than any of us (which she is not, she's a very negative, controlling, overbearing woman, which is a whole other obstacle in my life) but she wasnt even rasied Catholic. She became Catholic shortly before her marriage.
I have nothing against the Catholic faith its not my faith but I completely respect your faith, I dont believe its the Catholic faith that made these people act this way, its something or someone else. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | I have a family member that married to a catholic. Her dad sounds a lot like your father in law. Very controlling. Their family comes first in all things. Not sure what he would have done if she wouldn't have gotten married in the catholic church. All I can say is good luck. Her dad tries to be way too controlling of his kid's lives. |
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Location: On the Boulevard of Broken Dreams... | Sounds a bit like Scientology to me... |
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Location: South Central Florida | I don't think this question is about religion but about a specific church. Also, I would really question the process because life insurance policies that are started on elderly don't pay out well. They are very expensive and many you can't get over the age of 75ish. Very strange way to make money if it's true. We looked into the insurance that just pays funeral expenses for my Mom and it was way too expensive. Now if you got the policy before they were elderly you can usually keep it. But I'm not sure I really understood the original post. Who would agree to have some random church buy a life insurance policy. |
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Location: SW MO | I will simply say this Any church no matter the religion is only as honest as the people in it |
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Religion....