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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I know this is NOT the appropriate time to be putting this out there. But I've not been known to hold back.
For years, at every major race we have attended, my husband and I have always been extremely bothered by the use of ATVs by EVERYBODY, not just children. It's scary. Not everyone is being extremely dangerous, but as made obvious recently, it doesn't always take speed or danger to create a horrific accident. I know some places do not allow four wheelers.
Am I the only person that feels that there need to be MUCH stricter rules and regulations concerning ATVs at barrel races? Either they need to be banned, or restricted to adult use only, or at least require helmets? I am not saying that the parents of the child that passed should have made her wear a helmet, so please don't think I am blaming them. My heart is breaking in pieces for what they are going through.
But at the same time, why can't we all ban together to prevent another family from going through it? I know ATVs are convenient at races. But we can all survive without them.
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| Creating new rules and guidelines only effects those who follow the rules. If they aren't enforced, then people are going to continue to do as they please. My issue is for the safety of those around. I think that people should be able to choose unless it causes potential safety issues for others. Honestly, how many times have you been at barrel races or other events where people outright ignore the rules? If there is no one enforcing the rules then people ignore them. I can't even begin to count how many times I've seen dogs in facilities where there are signs posted, it's written in the rules, and been announced that there are no dogs allowed. Again, I don't have a problem with the well-behaved dogs, but when they are barking/chasing horses, or running the fence when people are competing I find that as a potential issue. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 12:23 PM Creating new rules and guidelines only effects those who follow the rules. If they aren't enforced, then people are going to continue to do as they please. My issue is for the safety of those around. I think that people should be able to choose unless it causes potential safety issues for others. Honestly, how many times have you been at barrel races or other events where people outright ignore the rules? If there is no one enforcing the rules then people ignore them. I can't even begin to count how many times I've seen dogs in facilities where there are signs posted, it's written in the rules, and been announced that there are no dogs allowed. Again, I don't have a problem with the well-behaved dogs, but when they are barking/chasing horses, or running the fence when people are competing I find that as a potential issue.
Taking your dog into a facility where no dogs are supposed to be is a far cry from a person losing their life to an ATV accident......
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | We live in a world of "It's all about me" and the rules are certainly NOT for me! As has been pointed out, unless the rules are enforced making another rule is useless......but I do agree with you! |
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| missroselee - 2015-07-01 11:47 AM
Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 12:23 PM Creating new rules and guidelines only effects those who follow the rules. If they aren't enforced, then people are going to continue to do as they please. My issue is for the safety of those around. I think that people should be able to choose unless it causes potential safety issues for others. Honestly, how many times have you been at barrel races or other events where people outright ignore the rules? If there is no one enforcing the rules then people ignore them. I can't even begin to count how many times I've seen dogs in facilities where there are signs posted, it's written in the rules, and been announced that there are no dogs allowed. Again, I don't have a problem with the well-behaved dogs, but when they are barking/chasing horses, or running the fence when people are competing I find that as a potential issue.
Taking your dog into a facility where no dogs are supposed to be is a far cry from a person losing their life to an ATV accident......
Though I agree with the dogs.
I was just using that as an example of rules being ignored and not enforced. I will say though, that a loose dog chasing a horse could cause a very bad accident. Or how about when a horse is at the barrel and a dog all of a sudden starts barking loudly at the fence. You can't regulate people to be considerate and respectful of others, whether that be using an ATV unsafely or making your dog mind (or your child for that matter!). How many wrecks have there been or almost been because people are being unsafe in the warm-up pen. What about people/horses getting kicked because someone ties their known kicker in a high traffic area. People need to take responsibility for their own actions, and more rules and regulations isn't alwayd the answer. It is awful that this little girl lost her life because of this tragic accident. But what I read is that some kids were throwing water balloons at her when it happened. Does that mean we need to ban them as well.
Edited to add - I re-read this and I sound really argumentative! I apologize for that, not my intention at all.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Accidents happen, regardless of rules...even if they are enforced. It's an unfortunate part of life. I certainly agree with enforcing the rules tho. |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | I would like to see disqualification on the spot if caught. The adolescent driver would then have to wait with security/official until parent arrived on spot. If you wanted to get really tuff, then parent would be fined by the association. I think this though harsh, would be a wake up. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Some organizations/horse events have rules that are dictated in part by their insurance policy. For example the NATRC distance sport requires helmets for all under 18 when on horseback...even in camp. They also do not allow ATV's without an added policy. So that means no ATV's at 99% of them.
And...It's enforced. I don't see why it would be allowed at particular barrel races if there are rules against these things. (The dog example for instance) If people refuse to follow the rules they are asked to leave and not allowed to compete. Otherwise the insurance company will not cover it. |
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| I am going to take a different stance on this. First of all, I follow the rules. I have never even had a speeding ticket and I have been driving 51 years. It drives me crazy when I go to a barrel race and their only rule is don't circle the barrel twice.
To me, 4 wheelers are like guns. The 4 Wheeler was not the cause of the accident. It was not caused by the incorrect operation of the 4 wheeler. I have a 4 Wheeler and no one rides it but me. It came with a warning to wear a helmet, especially for anyone under the age of 16. By the way, I wear a helmet when I barrel race and when practice at more than a trot. Should the child have been wearing a helmet? Probably so. The local news just happened to have a short segment about summer safety, and it was mentioned that childrens' heads are so much heavier than the rest of the body and usually hit the ground first because of this. I think this was probably a better explanation. I think everyone needs to remember that any vehicle has certain dangers, even golf carts and scooters. Rules against 4 wheelers will only help people who follow the rules. Unfortunately, acidents do happen. That is why they are called accidents. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | Unfortunatly, from the barrel races I have been to, rules are very seldom enforced And usually, some come up with all kind of excuses why they are not enforced
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| That is where I say you can't regulate people to be responsible and considerate. I unloaded my young horse from the trailer one day, and there was a loose dog that ran around and started biting her back legs. But do I think all dogs should be banned from barrel races? No. Just because a handful of people are irresponsible doesn't mean that the rest of us should be punished. Because those people aren't going to change, the only ones effected will be those who follow the rules.
I honestly don't know how you correct the problem of people's poor or irresponsible behavior. And the problem with trying to punish a person for acting like this is who gets to decide who needs punished and what the punishment will be. Too many politics. It's frustrating, I totally agree. I just can't see punishing everyone for the few offenders. |
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| Unfortunately there are a lot of unsafe situations at barrel races. Children tearing around on bikes is one of my pet peeves. I personally think if people would use more common sense at a barrel racing that we could avoid MOST accidents. I'm not sure of the specific story you are talking about but I don't agree with the us of 4 wheelers at barrel races. Those things are so dang dangerous! |
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| I was running at AA when the accident occurred. I'm 19, but I'm a mawmaw at heart. Thanks to life happening, I tend to have more of a mother's mindset than your typical college student.
All weekend I was so terrified of something happening to any of the little kiddos running around like hellions. My friends and I talked over and over about how anyone under the age of 16, or anyone without a license, truly doesnt understand how to safely operate any kind of motorized transportation. Over a dozen Times, I either watched as a child almost ran out in front of another vehicle, hit another vehicle, or I almost hit them. Kids are so unaware of their surrounding and so oblivious to danger.
Imho, the staff that runs the race (not JPD or local law enforcement) should have someone monitoring the barns and parking lots at all times and if a child is caught driving without a license, they will be disqualified. A ticket doesn't scare an 8 year old, or even their parents. But an immediate DQ at a $500/horse race sure would.
Just because a kid can manage a golf cart or four wheeler or even a car or truck at home "on the farm" does not mean they can safely navigate public roads or a busy facility.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | horseshorseshorses - 2015-07-01 1:59 PM I was running at AA when the accident occurred. I'm 19, but I'm a mawmaw at heart. Thanks to life happening, I tend to have more of a mother's mindset than your typical college student. All weekend I was so terrified of something happening to any of the little kiddos running around like hellions. My friends and I talked over and over about how anyone under the age of 16, or anyone without a license, truly doesnt understand how to safely operate any kind of motorized transportation. Over a dozen Times, I either watched as a child almost ran out in front of another vehicle, hit another vehicle, or I almost hit them. Kids are so unaware of their surrounding and so oblivious to danger. Imho, the staff that runs the race (not JPD or local law enforcement) should have someone monitoring the barns and parking lots at all times and if a child is caught driving without a license, they will be disqualified. A ticket doesn't scare an 8 year old, or even their parents. But an immediate DQ at a $500/horse race sure would. Just because a kid can manage a golf cart or four wheeler or even a car or truck at home "on the farm" does not mean they can safely navigate public roads or a busy facility. Praying for the sweet family that lost their baby
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| horseshorseshorses - 2015-07-01 1:59 PM I was running at AA when the accident occurred. I'm 19, but I'm a mawmaw at heart. Thanks to life happening, I tend to have more of a mother's mindset than your typical college student. All weekend I was so terrified of something happening to any of the little kiddos running around like hellions. My friends and I talked over and over about how anyone under the age of 16, or anyone without a license, truly doesnt understand how to safely operate any kind of motorized transportation. Over a dozen Times, I either watched as a child almost ran out in front of another vehicle, hit another vehicle, or I almost hit them. Kids are so unaware of their surrounding and so oblivious to danger. Imho, the staff that runs the race (not JPD or local law enforcement) should have someone monitoring the barns and parking lots at all times and if a child is caught driving without a license, they will be disqualified. A ticket doesn't scare an 8 year old, or even their parents. But an immediate DQ at a $500/horse race sure would. Just because a kid can manage a golf cart or four wheeler or even a car or truck at home "on the farm" does not mean they can safely navigate public roads or a busy facility. Praying for the sweet family that lost their baby
Well said. I was at Waco in September, I stopped and got out of my truck to corral a 6 year old on a bike who was zig zagging in and out of the traffic going to the barn, no way he could be seen over the front of the trucks. I have no idea where his parents were, I took him to the show office.
Edited to add DQ will do the trick. When we went to state finals for high school rodeos, atv's and golf carts were not allowed, automatic dq if you broke the rules and rules were enforced.
Prayers for the family
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| I dont think you can prepare for all the accidents... those parents are putting their kids on 1200 pound animals and some way overmounted... accidents could happen, ive seen them happen. Some kids wear helmets, some dont. You can't police everything. At some point, parents have to be parents and decide what they want to allow their kids to do. This is my opinion... from an insurance standpoint, i dont know how this type of thing effects them. |
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Location: In a happy place | I agree with missroselee. It seems that it gets more dangerous as the years go by to go to the barrel races. My only problem is if there are certain rules is anyone going to see that they are carried out. I love the disqualification idea. |
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Location: Central Texas | I agree "ban them". I have never ever liked those things. You hear of way to many accidents and this is the reason every time our kids begged for one, they were told no. They were never allowed to ride anyone else's either. I totally understand accidents happen in all areas. This is just my on personal opinion/perference. |
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| It really doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't ever see myself taking a 4-wheeler or golf cart to a barrel race. But I don't understand why we should ban them for everyone, including those who are using them correctly and safely. We use our 4-wheeler at home on a regular basis, and when used correctly the risk of accident is very small. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Such a heartwrenching tragedy and I know it makes all of us want to protect & prevent things like this from ever happening...but, we don't have the power to stop people from dying...we can control, somewhat, HOW or WHERE...but that's all. I firmly believe that when we've served our purpose here then we go 'home'. One way or another.
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Location: East of the Pecos | Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 4:03 PM It really doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't ever see myself taking a 4-wheeler or golf cart to a barrel race. But I don't understand why we should ban them for everyone, including those who are using them correctly and safely. We use our 4-wheeler at home on a regular basis, and when used correctly the risk of accident is very small.
In a perfect world, everyone would be responsible, but unfortunately the irresponsible ones ruin it for everyone else and that's why you have to take them away from everyone. The responsible and law abiding people out there don't need any kind of policing for anything. There's no way to tell ahead of time who will drive safe and who will be reckless. |
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| If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
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Location: SE Louisiana | missroselee - 2015-07-01 11:03 AM
I know this is NOT the appropriate time to be putting this out there. But I've not been known to hold back.
For years, at every major race we have attended, my husband and I have always been extremely bothered by the use of ATVs by EVERYBODY, not just children. It's scary. Not everyone is being extremely dangerous, but as made obvious recently, it doesn't always take speed or danger to create a horrific accident. I know some places do not allow four wheelers.
Am I the only person that feels that there need to be MUCH stricter rules and regulations concerning ATVs at barrel races? Either they need to be banned, or restricted to adult use only, or at least require helmets? I am not saying that the parents of the child that passed should have made her wear a helmet, so please don't think I am blaming them. My heart is breaking in pieces for what they are going through.
But at the same time, why can't we all ban together to prevent another family from going through it? I know ATVs are convenient at races. But we can all survive without them.
Am I way out of line? Or is it fair to ask that changes be considered?
Well.... I understand where you are coming from, tho I've never seen an ATV at a horse event.
Maybe someone here can explain to me why motorcycles are permitted to make noise many decibels higher than my truck or car. |
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Location: So. California | Prayers to the family of this little girl, I can't imagine what they are going through...
It's not the organization's job to police children. It's the parents responsibility to ensure the safety of their child, set the rules and guidelines and be firm with this decision, regardless of what other children are doing. Helmets are mandatory (under the age of 18) for riding bicycles here. A motorcycle/ATV - absolutely! I worked in the off road motorcycle industry for over 10 years, and those that lived and breathed the industry, made sure their kids had helmets and gear before climbing on. These were kids that could ride with their eyes closed and one hand tied behind their back, ALWAYS with a helmet. Tragic occurances, such as the passing of this little angel, is the reason why... I also know of a bicycle rider that couldn't unclip at a stop, fell over, hit his head just right and died. You don't have to be going fast or doing something crazy for an accident to do serious/permanent damage or worse, death. It happens in an instant...
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| That's what the loud speaker system and announcer is good for .... at different drags or prior to starting a class........ a rule warning of being DQ'd for having an ATV, GOLF CART etc or NOT wearing a helmet etc etc should be used as a reminder ...
Everyone ties up their horses so no reason loose dogs and kids shouldn't be tied up to the trailers too ....
I see this more often .....>>>
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Location: Florida.. | most of our competitions we cant use atvs.. and we use wheel burrows to carry our gear.we also drive up to the stalls and unload ...
down south golf carts and mopeds .. but everyone is pretty respectfull.... I dont see why atvs need to be flying around .. ban them.imho |
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| Bug Is Alive - 2015-07-01 7:04 PM
Jenbabe - 2015-07-01 4:03 PM It really doesn't matter to me either way, as I don't ever see myself taking a 4-wheeler or golf cart to a barrel race. But I don't understand why we should ban them for everyone, including those who are using them correctly and safely. We use our 4-wheeler at home on a regular basis, and when used correctly the risk of accident is very small.
In a perfect world, everyone would be responsible, but unfortunately the irresponsible ones ruin it for everyone else and that's why you have to take them away from everyone. The responsible and law abiding people out there don't need any kind of policing for anything. There's no way to tell ahead of time who will drive safe and who will be reckless.
I guess that's my problem with this - why should I be punished because someone else can't follow the rules? And it's not just at barrel races, seems to be happening more often in our country. And the other issue I have is that only the people that follow the rules are going to be effected, unless the rules are actually enforced. And again, this is happening all around our country, not just at barrel races. At what point are we going to start holding people accountable for their actions? I'm getting tired of the few ruining things for the many. If we would just deal with the few and show people that there are actually going to be consequences, then perhaps they would get their act together. If not, they will just have to suffer the consequences too. |
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Location: Texas | I personally think it should be a law that you must have a license to operate anything with a motor. I live on a golf course but there is a major street going through our neighborhood. Just last week I saw a golfcart loaded down with 8-10 kids on it (a 4 person golfcart) a very young boy was driving and all kids looked to be age 10 or under, no adult. One of the girls on the back had a towel and it fell under the wheel of the cart and she flew off the back with her towel followed by 2 more kids. The kid driving stopped so hard the all almost flew off. Not to mention this is going down a 4 lane, 35mph road that is extremely dangerous. All I could think was the parents must not know they took the golfcart.. Makes me sick for the parents because if something happened you could only imagine the guilt. |
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| The first thing people as a whole need to do is realize a child dying because of an atv is not an accident, it is a crash. It is preventable, and it starts with parenting at home.
If parents would teach children proper riding etiquette on horses, motorized vehicles, and lead by example both at home and away, the children will learn by example, and open communication with parent and child.
It is tragic this happened, and my heart aches for the family, but why was the child riding around unsupervised?
If what I read was correct, where were the other parents who were allowing their children throw water balloons at someone on an atv?
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| All I can say is that I hope the this totally unselfish parent who seems to be really be trying to make something positive of this tragedy, does not read this thread.
I have taught school for 39 years and I have learned that kids behave very differently when their parents are not around. Even the very best kids can do some really dumb things when they are not accompanied by a parent. I have these kids in class and rarely have a parent sitting in. Without exception, the kids that I know that barrel race are good kids. Do they make good judgement calls? Sometimes not.
From Carmen's mother's post, she slipped off the seat of the 4 Wheeler and bounced on her head several times on the asphalt.
A group who is raising money to help with bills has a T shirt for sale that says. "Be kind, help a stranger, have a Godly attitude" All I am suggesting is that maybe you read this. It is a quote from Carmen's mother. Here is your vocabulary word for the day ---- empathy.
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off?? |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I simply dont understand why parents actually parenting these days is such a novel idea! Kids running amuke is no different then dogs running amuke. It's a hazard to ALL! I say ban the parents from the race and fine them. They will quickly learn to keep a tight rein on their kids during the races. They dont need to go to the races and instantly act like heathens. |
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Location: Midwest | I've never seen an ATV at a show. In general, I think those are a little fast for a horse show for anyone without a license (JMHO). Golfcarts and mopeds are usually not nearly as fast (as in they don't get anywhere near the 70-80-100 mph an atv can hit).
Either way, it sounds like this was just a terrible accident. I'm so sorry for the family. When I was a kid, I fell off my bike in the driveway, ending up with a severe concussion. That could have easily been me; and I was just doing circles by myself! I wasn't there, and I agree that the bikes/scooters/etc with children aboard need to be monitored by the parents... but it seems that the girl was just going back to the trailer and fell and not doing anything dangerous.
I've seen just as many kids being dangerous on their horses and ponies- running all around the grounds, running into people, etc.
I just feel so much for the family. I can't even imagine their pain and guilt. My heart goes out to them. |
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| There does need to be stricter rules. I've heard of too many lately being hurt or killed on ATVs. My boyfriend and I wrecked a four wheeler Memorial Day weekend. Luckily we weren't seriously injured but it reminded us how dangerous they can be. I feel that you always hear that they're dangerous, just like anything else you do, but you never know how dangerous it is until you encounter an accident or tragedy. There needs to be more precautions taken I think. I'm praying for that little girl's family as well as that other little girl who passed, that was posted on here. Too young |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2015-07-02 8:13 AM Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
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Location: North Dakota | There's these cool things called legs that some of us use to get around on. IMO nobody, especially children have any business ripping around events on motorized vehicles. That is just an accident waiting to happen. Make a rule, enforce said rule, problem solved. |
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| If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. |
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Location: Texas | OK ya'll, I tried to protect my kids from just about every danger. You can't be there every single minute. I doubt anyone would guess a kid would fall from a golf cart.
When I first started working in a hospital, a child was brought in who had fallen off the tailgate of a pickup that was slowly driving thru a pasture. She died.
Did you know how dangerous trampolenes are? Ask an ER doctor.
And now that I'm a grandma, the sight of a kid on a horse without a helmet just makes me mad.
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Location: South Central Florida | I wasn't there and personally have not see all that many near accidents at big shows. I see golf carts driven by adults do stupid things. I know NBHA Youth Worlds had some pretty strict rules about vehicles/youth driving but I really DON'T see or want the rules changed for everyone. We don't own a living quarters trailer, sometimes parking...horse...tack are not close enough to walk it 5 or 6 times a day. I can walk it, but I know people with knee problems, and other health issues that this would make big shows impossible.
I believe life happens, tragedys happen and we learn from them and move on but totaly banning things just isn't a good answer.
I have seen people seriously injurred ON HORSES, even wearing helmets. Had a bad wreck at the FL State show this year...actually 2, but I don't want to ban barrel racing.
There are enherrant dangers in life, some are not even unavoidable, some are.
The family is probably feeling insanely guilty already.
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| Fun2Run - 2015-07-02 11:26 AM
OK ya'll, I tried to protect my kids from just about every danger. You can't be there every single minute. I doubt anyone would guess a kid would fall from a golf cart.
When I first started working in a hospital, a child was brought in who had fallen off the tailgate of a pickup that was slowly driving thru a pasture. She died.
Did you know how dangerous trampolenes are? Ask an ER doctor.
And now that I'm a grandma, the sight of a kid on a horse without a helmet just makes me mad.
My prayers go out to the family of the precious child.
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Location: Texas | Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice.
Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity. |
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Location: OH. IO | NJJ - 2015-07-02 11:40 AM
Itsme - 2015-07-02 8:13 AM Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
IF just ONE person learns from a tragedy....it is NOT a waste to discuss it......
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I agree....we have showed at the OKC Fairgrounds MANY times and never felt the need to have a golf cart or ATV. You can drive up and park very near the barns or arenas at any time of the day in the parking lots. |
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| Swannranch - 2015-07-02 11:28 AM
I wasn't there and personally have not see all that many near accidents at big shows. I see golf carts driven by adults do stupid things. I know NBHA Youth Worlds had some pretty strict rules about vehicles/youth driving but I really DON'T see or want the rules changed for everyone. We don't own a living quarters trailer, sometimes parking...horse...tack are not close enough to walk it 5 or 6 times a day. I can walk it, but I know people with knee problems, and other health issues that this would make big shows impossible.
I believe life happens, tragedys happen and we learn from them and move on but totaly banning things just isn't a good answer.
I have seen people seriously injurred ON HORSES, even wearing helmets. Had a bad wreck at the FL State show this year...actually 2, but I don't want to ban barrel racing.
There are enherrant dangers in life, some are not even unavoidable, some are.
The family is probably feeling insanely guilty already.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | NJJ - 2015-07-02 3:14 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I have to also agree. 20 degrees with humidity (and I would have gladly taken WY's 30 below) and I spilled a bucket of water down my leg. Had to walk a very long way back to the trailer to change. I made it without dying and even walked back. It may not be as easy as having some wheels, but it is plenty do-able. |
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Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
As usual, no one reads what I post
The vocabulary word for today is empathy.
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I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying.. |
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Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 11:14 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
My heart just breaks for them---to be at an event that should be so enjoyable and fun and have this happen is unthinkable.
The thing that I find so upsetting is that this family was making sure that Carmen was able to do what she loved to do. I teach in a substance abuse facility. Parents of my little dumplings have never done anything with them. No little league, nothing. That is the exact reason that they are in drug rehab. So you have Carmen's parents who are actually trying to be parents lose their beautiful child. It seems so unfair.
To all of you who think parents are the problem here, why don't you come work where I work. You probably would not last one day. |
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Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-07-02 11:28 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 11:14 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
My heart just breaks for them---to be at an event that should be so enjoyable and fun and have this happen is unthinkable.
The thing that I find so upsetting is that this family was making sure that Carmen was able to do what she loved to do. I teach in a substance abuse facility. Parents of my little dumplings have never done anything with them. No little league, nothing. That is the exact reason that they are in drug rehab. So you have Carmen's parents who are actually trying to be parents lose their beautiful child. It seems so unfair.
To all of you who think parents are the problem here, why don't you come work where I work. You probably would not last one day.
I would just like to say that I have so much respect for what you do; my extended family has some substance abuse issues, and I have enough sense to KNOW I couldn't deal with what you do on a daily basis. |
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missroselee - 2015-07-01 11:03 AM
I know this is NOT the appropriate time to be putting this out there. But I've not been known to hold back.
For years, at every major race we have attended, my husband and I have always been extremely bothered by the use of ATVs by EVERYBODY, not just children. It's scary. Not everyone is being extremely dangerous, but as made obvious recently, it doesn't always take speed or danger to create a horrific accident. I know some places do not allow four wheelers.
Am I the only person that feels that there need to be MUCH stricter rules and regulations concerning ATVs at barrel races? Either they need to be banned, or restricted to adult use only, or at least require helmets? I am not saying that the parents of the child that passed should have made her wear a helmet, so please don't think I am blaming them. My heart is breaking in pieces for what they are going through.
But at the same time, why can't we all ban together to prevent another family from going through it? I know ATVs are convenient at races. But we can all survive without them.
Am I way out of line? Or is it fair to ask that changes be considered?
Well.... I understand where you are coming from, tho I've never seen an ATV at a horse event.
Maybe someone here can explain to me why motorcycles are permitted to make noise many decibels higher than my truck or car.
It's for safety with motercycles. Most people aren't looking for them or just plane don't see them. A motercycle being loud helps other motorist to notice that there is something out there, to look and see what the noise is coming from |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM
Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice.
Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I have gone many times too without a cart or a 4 wheeler, however, my friend's 80 yr old husband needed his golf cart to get close to the barns. |
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| I don't think 4 wheelers or golf carts should be banned, period. I don't own either one, but you know, at Waco in the fall, and OKC, and other places that are sprawled out and there's like a mile from the trailer to the stalls to the arenas, and I'm hot or frozen and miserable, a shotgun ride to the next stop is so blissful. I feel that self accountability is a beautiful thing. There are always going to be accidents, there will always be tragedies. Life is short and so very uncertain. The best thing to do anyway is always be on your guard against others that are in the midst of a mistake, or negligence. You can get smacked by a banned golf cart just as quickly as you can an allowed one. An accident can take place involving a 4 wheeler just as quickly at home as at a barrel race. Tragedies are terrible, terrible things, and my heart truly goes out to the family that was at the center of the accident, but I don't feel that this should negatively impact others that want or need an ATV at a barrel race. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | GLP - 2015-07-01 1:22 PM I agree with missroselee. My sister almost lost a very good mare at a big futurity because a well known person was on a golf cart, racing around corners and such drunk as a skunk. My sister's horse was tied at her own trailer when the a** ran into her. I would love to have them banned, but I know I am in the minority and it is not going to happen.
In reply to this - did your sister see this happen and if so did she think to call the police even if it might have happened on private property? I believe no matter where it happened it's still a DUI/DWI offense.
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Location: South Central Florida | If he was not on a golf cart, what would have stopped him from being in a truck and doing the same thing. If he was stupid enough and willing to drive drunk, banning something would not have changed it...just his vehicle. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-02 10:58 PM I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying..
Well, if banning 4 wheelers and golf carts would cut the accidents on the grounds say in half. Why not ban the whole event, then you would eliminate all the risk. I have seen horses slip and fall on concrete just walking, I've seen horses kick, buck and body slam other horses at events...on the grounds in the holding pen and every where in between. Equestrian events are dangerous. 1100 lb anmals running 20 mph is dangerous. Any time you have a thousand people and horses together all in one area...the risk of injury increases.
As far as those that say "no one NEEDS a 4 wheeler or golf cart". How can you say that? How do you know what someone else can or can not do. I walk 5 miles a day 6 days a week. I have good friends with bad knees that could never make the walk necessary at some of the shows. I think assuming everyone can carry saddels, tack, feed, medications every thing necessary back and forth half a dozen times a day is totaly arrogant. That's what I don't understand about some of these threads. The arrogance that some people think their way is THE ONY WAY....If you don't do it like them your selfish and lazy and dumb.
For the record, I don't have a golf cart, or a 4 wheeler and rarely have enough money to rent one, but I would never assume that others need to do it MY way or they are lazy.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Swannranch - 2015-07-03 10:35 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-02 10:58 PM I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying..
As far as those that say "no one NEEDS a 4 wheeler or golf cart". How can you say that? How do you know what someone else can or can not do. I walk 5 miles a day 6 days a week. I have good friends with bad knees that could never make the walk necessary at some of the shows. I think assuming everyone can carry saddels, tack, feed, medications every thing necessary back and forth half a dozen times a day is totaly arrogant. That's what I don't understand about some of these threads. The arrogance that some people think their way is THE ONY WAY....If you don't do it like them your selfish and lazy and dumb.
For the record, I don't have a golf cart, or a 4 wheeler and rarely have enough money to rent one, but I would never assume that others need to do it MY way or they are lazy.
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Location: Florida.. | Swannranch - 2015-07-03 11:35 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-02 10:58 PM I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying..
As far as those that say "no one NEEDS a 4 wheeler or golf cart". How can you say that? How do you know what someone else can or can not do. I walk 5 miles a day 6 days a week. I have good friends with bad knees that could never make the walk necessary at some of the shows. I think assuming everyone can carry saddels, tack, feed, medications every thing necessary back and forth half a dozen times a day is totaly arrogant. That's what I don't understand about some of these threads. The arrogance that some people think their way is THE ONY WAY....If you don't do it like them your selfish and lazy and dumb.
For the record, I don't have a golf cart, or a 4 wheeler and rarely have enough money to rent one, but I would never assume that others need to do it MY way or they are lazy.
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| Aqhaczy - 2015-07-03 1:04 PM
GLP - 2015-07-01 1:22 PM I agree with missroselee. My sister almost lost a very good mare at a big futurity because a well known person was on a golf cart, racing around corners and such drunk as a skunk. My sister's horse was tied at her own trailer when the a** ran into her. I would love to have them banned, but I know I am in the minority and it is not going to happen.
In reply to this - did your sister see this happen and if so did she think to call the police even if it might have happened on private property? I believe no matter where it happened it's still a DUI/DWI offense.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | streakysox - 2015-07-04 2:06 PM About a year ago in TX, a woman was helping a student get into the arena. Hers student came out and the person who was next lost control of her horse. The woman standing there was hit and killed instantly. Personally, I think banning horses at a barrel race would have prevented this. Good Grief....some of the responses in this thread are just plain asinine......NOBODY is saying that horse events, etc are NOT dangerous.....only that "perhaps".....(note the word "perhaps") banning or enforcing rules for the use of certain things (Atvs, golf carts, dogs, etc, etc) would CERTAINLY make them a little safer !
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2015-07-04 5:36 PM streakysox - 2015-07-04 2:06 PM About a year ago in TX, a woman was helping a student get into the arena. Hers student came out and the person who was next lost control of her horse. The woman standing there was hit and killed instantly. Personally, I think banning horses at a barrel race would have prevented this. Good Grief....some of the responses in this thread are just plain asinine......NOBODY is saying that horse events, etc are NOT dangerous.....only that "perhaps".....(note the word "perhaps") banning or enforcing rules for the use of certain things (Atvs, golf carts, dogs, etc, etc) would CERTAINLY make them a little safer !
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2015-07-04 4:36 PM streakysox - 2015-07-04 2:06 PM About a year ago in TX, a woman was helping a student get into the arena. Hers student came out and the person who was next lost control of her horse. The woman standing there was hit and killed instantly. Personally, I think banning horses at a barrel race would have prevented this. Good Grief....some of the responses in this thread are just plain asinine......NOBODY is saying that horse events, etc are NOT dangerous.....only that "perhaps".....(note the word "perhaps") banning or enforcing rules for the use of certain things (Atvs, golf carts, dogs, etc, etc) would CERTAINLY make them a little safer !
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Location: South Central Florida | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-04 9:58 AM
Swannranch - 2015-07-03 11:35 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-02 10:58 PM I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying..
As far as those that say "no one NEEDS a 4 wheeler or golf cart". How can you say that? How do you know what someone else can or can not do. I walk 5 miles a day 6 days a week. I have good friends with bad knees that could never make the walk necessary at some of the shows. I think assuming everyone can carry saddels, tack, feed, medications every thing necessary back and forth half a dozen times a day is totaly arrogant. That's what I don't understand about some of these threads. The arrogance that some people think their way is THE ONY WAY....If you don't do it like them your selfish and lazy and dumb.
For the record, I don't have a golf cart, or a 4 wheeler and rarely have enough money to rent one, but I would never assume that others need to do it MY way or they are lazy.
Im sorry, I didnt mean my response to sound so snarky to you. I was mainly talking about someone who said "you dont need one, you just want one"...how could anyone know that? I dont believe on banning things. NBHA Youth World has a very strict policy and it is inforced. Had a.friend...a director's daughter get hurt. She was walking back from feeding, friend (youth) offerred her a ride...no speeding bo goofi g off, they hit a pothole and the vehicle flipped. She broke her ankle, but was also disqualified as were everyone on the vehicle (3 I think). I understand this thread is about banning AT 's and gold carts, but because people use comparisions the original poster doesnt agree with isnt the same as changing the topic...its called conversation. I do think this was about the little girl at AA, why else say "in light of". |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | oh its all ok.it didnt really sound snarky.lol..we all were responding to differant things .. |
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 Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I am surprised someone has not been killed at Youth World....between the golf carts........vehicles......and add water balloons water guns.......and all the other mess going on it is not safe............but lets not step on any toes........its like kids gone wild............ |
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Location: Dubach, LA | No parent would turn a kid loose on a four-wheeler, scooter, golf-cart, bicycle, or horse in a WalMart or Lowe's parking lot, so why is it okay to do so at a barrel race? It may be your vacation, but it's not a place to turn your kids loose. |
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| CanCan - 2015-07-05 7:27 PM No parent would turn a kid loose on a four-wheeler, scooter, golf-cart, bicycle, or horse in a WalMart or Lowe's parking lot, so why is it okay to do so at a barrel race? It may be your vacation, but it's not a place to turn your kids loose.
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Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-04 8:32 PM
CanCan - 2015-07-05 7:27 PM No parent would turn a kid loose on a four-wheeler, scooter, golf-cart, bicycle, or horse in a WalMart or Lowe's parking lot, so why is it okay to do so at a barrel race? It may be your vacation, but it's not a place to turn your kids loose.
Excellent point
Exactly.....but it's like the adults get as much enjoyment out of their wild kids as the kids are Js |
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