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| I bought 3 bags of fresh ( June 17 manufacture date) Nutrena senior. My horses love it, and even after a week they look and feel amazing! Was really happy. Went to go feed tonight and I was at the bottom of the bag and sure enough there was a chunk of MOLDY grain at the very bottom! Just one chunk about the size of your thumb but STILL! I live in a very dry climate In southern calif so it had to come that way from the mill. And the chunk of mold did not look like the same feed. This mill insists they don't use the same lines for cattle feed. My A$$. I can't blame tractor supply the feed is dated fresh. They did awesome on ultium but got to hot. I guess fresh clean whole oats it is ! |
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| Hate that! I had to purchase a few bags of ultium while we were out of town for a few weeks and the local feed store where we were ran out of the blue bonnet and I had nothing to feed my guys. And this is in a VERY HUMID gross hot place. .. hopefully those bags survived. We just returned home and we are hot here and not quite as humid. I just planned on feeding out the rest of the ultium to my laziest horse.. hate wasting or throwing out feed! I do love our blue bonnet omega force and danco omnis cubes I'm mixing with. |
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| There is absolutely 0 excuse for this. I am glad I saw it and didn't feed it. Such mixed feelings on whole oats! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-07-07 1:23 AM
There is absolutely 0 excuse for this. I am glad I saw it and didn't feed it. Such mixed feelings on whole oats!
It is a good thing you caught it. I'm overly cautious about my grain I inspect every scoop! Are you going to contact nutrena? |
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Location: Midwest | It could easily be tscs fault if they let it get wet during tea
Transport or storage. This has likely nothing to do with cattle feed contamination unless the other feed looked completely different. I had some similar issues with a specific load of triple crown from my feed guy. The pallet had gotten wet and it leaked into the outer bags. I'd contact tsc first. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I bought Nutrena from 3 different stores and nothing was consistant. I can't sacrifice my horses with that crud. |
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Location: South Dakota | I am a total believer of whole oats and Forco...I only feed 1 lb of oats per day, along with grazing or good grass hay, salt...and my horses look great. I just don't trust the feed companies a whole lot. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Agreed contamination could be possible,it could also be a simple chunk of their sweet feed line like vitality that got stuck in the processor. Every feed brand I have come across I have found those little nuggets of who knows what's. But I have had more trouble with the local feed mill having cigarette butts and floor sweep in my feed that I care to deal with. |
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Location: sunny california | I am afraid that we all need to be careful when buying any kind of food products; human and critter.Those big corporations say they have safe practices but those practices are no better than the individuals that are following them( or not). When employees do not care about their job they do inferior work and we all pay for their unhappiness/laziness. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-07-07 6:19 AM
I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I bought Nutrena from 3 different stores and nothing was consistant. I can't sacrifice my horses with that crud.
Thanks EVERYONE for their responses. I really wish Triple Crown still milled their own stuff! Their senior feed was amazing and I could feed it to all ages and it always looked and smelled the same. I am very glad I caught it, and that single chunk was the only piece in there. I too am obsessive about inspecting before each scoop. I keep my feed bags in their origional bags but set them down inside a sealed aluminum tub. DOuble protection from moisture. Just before I feed I run my bare hands through the feed at the top and kind of inspect it then scoop it up. ALways looking for foreign objects, mold, ants etc.  IO had 2 bags left so I opened one to use to transition over to OATS and the other is going back to TS today. I also feed forco to. I guess if my colt off the track needs a little extra I can get stabilized rice bran. I will continue with my 707 daily essentials to insure they get what they need etc. Thanks all!!!
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| ridejg - 2015-07-07 6:23 AM
I am a total believer of whole oats and Forco...I only feed 1 lb of oats per day, along with grazing or good grass hay, salt...and my horses look great. I just don't trust the feed companies a whole lot.
I don't have pasture but my horses have high quality orchard/Alfalfa mix hay in front of them 24/7. Oats it is!!!
I will say this in PURINA's DEFENSE that I have fed ultium off and on for years and it has NEVER had a quality control problem and has always looked the same day 1 as it did 10 years later. My horses look amazing on it, but they are higher than a kite so I just don't work them hard enough for it, but they look and feel amazing on it. I have never fed strategy or anything, I am kind of over the whole feed thing.
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| Years ago whn I fed grain I fed Safe Choice and I experienced the same inconsistency. Horses would refuse to eat, open another bag and they would eat that one. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Flit, have you tried Renew Gold. I ride hot horses and they are great on this product. Their tick fat and feel good. I did call WIN as I was unsure if I needed to really up the dose on a horse that swimming and aquatreding. |
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| If you are going the oats way and want to add fat, I add flax seed whole.
For really skinny horses I will also add barley whole but I soak it prior to feeding as I heard it is hard on their teeth. This has been my go to to get horses looking their best |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2015-07-07 7:42 AM
Flit, have you tried Renew Gold. I ride hot horses and they are great on this product. Their tick fat and feel good. I did call WIN as I was unsure if I needed to really up the dose on a horse that swimming and aquatreding.
Absolutely. I fed Renew gold for 3 months. Both of my horses lost weight, their coats bleached out in the middle of winter, and when spring came, they REFUSED to shed off. ALways had dead hair GROWING on certain parts of the body. I tried. I know it is an amazing product but it just doesnt work for ALL horses.. THere are a few of us on here that all had the same experience. As soon as I took them off the Renew GOld they began to shed in clumps of hair but were slick and shiny underneath. Teeth are expertly maintained, wormed on cue etc. I really wanted RG to work cause here in CA you can find it anywhere and you feed so little. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | this is what the last bag of "sweet feed" i ever bought looked like, last fall i bought a bag of cubes that were actually hot....and solid rotten............i feed whole oats now, no more molasses no more sugar anything(except beet pulp).
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Location: Willows, CA | As I said when we talked about your horses, I felt something else was going on, and Renew Gold kind of got caught in the middle. We have not seen that reaction in other horses, especially more than one having an adverse reaction at the same time. That is out of half a million bags over four years. There was another factor there somewhere. Sorry that it did not work out with us. As to Tractor Supply. Every item in a West Coast Tractor Supply store comes out of their distribution center in Waverly Nebraska. Since it has an opportunity to be delayed from being delivered fresh, you need to know how to read the date of manufacture code that should be on every bag of feed you buy. This goes for every feed that you buy, not just from TSC. Whatever you feed, contact the manufacture and learn how to read their date code. You would be surprised how old a lot of it can be. |
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| mruggles - 2015-07-07 9:04 AM
this is what the last bag of "sweet feed" i ever bought looked like, last fall i bought a bag of cubes that were actually hot....and solid rotten............i feed whole oats now, no more molasses no more sugar anything(except beet pulp).
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Holy smokes Ruggles!! My little tiny piece of mold is nothing compared to that! LOL Was it really old??? |
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| winwillows - 2015-07-07 9:11 AM
As I said when we talked about your horses, I felt something else was going on, and Renew Gold kind of got caught in the middle. We have not seen that reaction in other horses, especially more than one having an adverse reaction at the same time. That is out of half a million bags over four years. There was another factor there somewhere. Sorry that it did not work out with us. As to Tractor Supply. Every item in a West Coast Tractor Supply store comes out of their distribution center in Waverly Nebraska. Since it has an opportunity to be delayed from being delivered fresh, you need to know how to read the date of manufacture code that should be on every bag of feed you buy. This goes for every feed that you buy, not just from TSC. Whatever you feed, contact the manufacture and learn how to read their date code. You would be surprised how old a lot of it can be.
I may try the renew gold again at some point just in case. I love the product and its CLEAR a lot of people really have great luck. I am very good at reading manufacture codes. Nutrena just puts on the tag where its milled and when. My Safechoice senior was milled in STK ( Stockton Mill) on June 17. I am in southern California. Its amazing how my feed probably got shipped from CA, out to Nebraska, and Back to CA again. Who knows what happened to it... lol Maybe little moisture I am thinking. ALl the moisture in TX/OK midwest from rain. Probably had it come right from Stockton to SO Cal it would be fine.. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-07 12:41 AM I bought 3 bags of fresh ( June 17 manufacture date) Nutrena senior. My horses love it, and even after a week they look and feel amazing! Was really happy. Went to go feed tonight and I was at the bottom of the bag and sure enough there was a chunk of MOLDY grain at the very bottom! Just one chunk about the size of your thumb but STILL! I live in a very dry climate In southern calif so it had to come that way from the mill. And the chunk of mold did not look like the same feed. This mill insists they don't use the same lines for cattle feed. My A$$. I can't blame tractor supply the feed is dated fresh. They did awesome on ultium but got to hot. I guess fresh clean whole oats it is !
They mill the Triple Crown the same way and that was my point. Sorry. |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-07-07 9:42 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-07 12:41 AM I bought 3 bags of fresh ( June 17 manufacture date) Nutrena senior. My horses love it, and even after a week they look and feel amazing! Was really happy. Went to go feed tonight and I was at the bottom of the bag and sure enough there was a chunk of MOLDY grain at the very bottom! Just one chunk about the size of your thumb but STILL! I live in a very dry climate In southern calif so it had to come that way from the mill. And the chunk of mold did not look like the same feed. This mill insists they don't use the same lines for cattle feed. My A$$. I can't blame tractor supply the feed is dated fresh. They did awesome on ultium but got to hot. I guess fresh clean whole oats it is !
They mill the Triple Crown the same way and that was my point. Sorry.
Yup!!! Lesson Learned... Finally.. lol |
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Location: Willows, CA | You are right. We make Renew Gold in Northern CA and it goes to Kansas City, then to Waverly Nebraska, and then back to a Tractor Supply that is thirty miles from our facility. In most cases they are selling enough to keep it well within the timeframe that provides a long usable shelf life for the customer. Still, it is not unusual for a few bags of any feed to get put behind something in the warehouse. Renew Gold has a one year shelf life because of the stabilization that we are so serious about. Even then, you need to read the dates on the bags. When in doubt, tell your store that you will not feed dated products, any dated products. |
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| winwillows - 2015-07-07 10:00 AM
You are right. We make Renew Gold in Northern CA and it goes to Kansas City, then to Waverly Nebraska, and then back to a Tractor Supply that is thirty miles from our facility. In most cases they are selling enough to keep it well within the timeframe that provides a long usable shelf life for the customer. Still, it is not unusual for a few bags of any feed to get put behind something in the warehouse. Renew Gold has a one year shelf life because of the stabilization that we are so serious about. Even then, you need to read the dates on the bags. When in doubt, tell your store that you will not feed dated products, any dated products.
Correct, in fact, my local feed store had some Ultium on a pallet that was dated March 2015. THen next to it was a pallet dated June 2015. I bought 2 bags while back and I asked for mine to come from the most fresh pallet. Loader refused and said he was ordered to use the old pallet that was 90+ days old. SO I went in and owner was very upset saying that they had to rotate. SO I just got my money back. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-08 10:36 AM
mruggles - 2015-07-07 9:04 AM
this is what the last bag of "sweet feed" i ever bought looked like, last fall i bought a bag of cubes that were actually hot....and solid rotten............i feed whole oats now, no more molasses no more sugar anything(except beet pulp).
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Holy smokes Ruggles!! My little tiny piece of mold is nothing compared to that! LOL Was it really old???
I dont think so...they go through feed pretty fast there.....m |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | winwillows - 2015-07-07 12:00 PM You are right. We make Renew Gold in Northern CA and it goes to Kansas City, then to Waverly Nebraska, and then back to a Tractor Supply that is thirty miles from our facility. In most cases they are selling enough to keep it well within the timeframe that provides a long usable shelf life for the customer. Still, it is not unusual for a few bags of any feed to get put behind something in the warehouse. Renew Gold has a one year shelf life because of the stabilization that we are so serious about. Even then, you need to read the dates on the bags. When in doubt, tell your store that you will not feed dated products, any dated products.
Would you tell us again how to read the tag on the Renew Gold? Thanks! |
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Location: Willows, CA | We have two ways that Renew Gold is dated. If the bag has a white tape strip sewn across the bottom of the bag, the will be four numbers in blue ink printed on that strip. The first number is the year, a 5 for 2015. The next three are the day of the year, 001 being Jan 1st to 365 being Dec 31st. Renew Gold made today would be marked 5188.
On bags that do not have the white bottom tape the date is printed in black on the image of the horse on the front of the bag. Month, day, year. |
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