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Location: Texas | My 2-year-old Appendix colt (now gelding) is not going to be a barrel/race horse as planned. He is ignoring his papers (Seattle Slew/Truckle Feature). He is a super laid back, sweet, goofy, lanky boy who will probably mature about 15.2-15.3 hands. Anyone have any experience/suggestions on how I should market him? I'm thinking as a hunter/jumper or even as a trail horse for a weekend rider that wants to put the time into him. He is a lovely mover. He has not been started under saddle yet as I like to wait till they are 3, especially for Appendix horses.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
 
Location: Midwest | Why won't he make a barrel horse? |
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Location: Texas | He is really laid back and just isn't interested in running. Guess you could say that he doesn't have a competitive spirit. I'd really like him to have a career he enjoys. |
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| I don't know the horse, and maybe you have some kind of intuition that I don't. He is your horse after all.
However, I wouldn't count him as a barrel horse prospect just yet if he's not even been under saddle. My cow mare was as easy going as they come. She is and has always been the slowest jogger on the planet, from the day I first sat on her. However, she's my 2/3D barrel horse. She has a heart the size of Texas, but you'd never know it until you sat on her. In the pasture, she stands in the stall, in the shade, loves to eat and just be still. She does not race around, chase, play, nothing. |
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| I agree with Cheryl. My sister has a mare that even after she was broke and on the barrels just didn't seem to want to move past pleasure speed. But then, one day she realized she liked to run barrels and wow, what a change. She was bred to be a barrel horse, but not until late into her 3 year old year did she show any life. Ed Wright told my sister that one day she would find her run and he was right! Your colt may or may not ever find his run, but if you like him then maybe wait until after he is broke to decide. He may show you want he wants to do. |
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Location: sunny california | i have had a few that early on I thought i had them pegged. One I would have bet a million dollars he would not make a barrel horse due to laziness. He knows how to get down to buisness now. did not happen until he was over 4 almost 5. i mean he was so lazy I had to work at him to keep a trot or fast walk until he was 3 almost 4. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Samantha Buncher on FB. She can sell anything. Sky High Equestrian. She handles English and Western.
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Location: Texas | You can try dreamhorse. Although I agree with the others it's hard to count one out before you even start them under saddle. Lazy and calm to me sounds like a pretty stable mind. Better than starting out with a hot fractious horse that has no reason to be. Conformationally to me I could see him leaning toward the English disciplines but again...unless you've just got your mind made up he won't be anything, I wouldn't count him out yet. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Like most everyone else has said, I wouldn't rule him out til you've rode him. And yes, some of them can be late bloomers.
However, if you've got your mind made up and there may be some things we just don't know or can't consider yet, he looks built to make a decent hunter/jumper. I'd prefer to see him move honestly to see if he has a nice low sweepy stride like his leg and neck set seems to promise. But if he did move that way he might be a nice candidate. That being said for AQHA showing hunter/jumpers, most of the top ones are 16hh+. That doesn't mean he might not still make a very nice local or amateur show pony. He could earn his full registration in the show ring then. If he moved that way, Western Pleasure might not be a bad option either.
You could also sell him to the English crowd to use in non-AQHA events (FEI stuff). He'd be given a few more opportunities to move freely and they love the dark colored horses with minimal white like he has. He probably wouldn't ever jump super high or get off the flat a ton if he stops at 15.3 but could still make a great weekender.
If he is super laid back, a trail pony or endurance horse might also be good options for him.
There are tons of great jobs for horses these days. Dream Horse and Equine Now are great listing sites. You can still list on Facebook or Craigs List too.
Best of luck!
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Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | If he's as laid back as you say, try to get him with a good mounted shooting trainer. If he will accept gunfire, and even have some speed in there that could show itself, he might make somebody a really nice horse. Even if he's not the competitive type, a new shooter will like that because they need to go slower at first until they get comfortable and until they learn to handle their guns. He might start speeding up about the time the shooter is speeding up. Mounted shooters, in my experience, LOVE their horses and really like to create a long-term partnership with them. The also typically do a lot of trail riding and horse camping, which keeps that horse happy and doesn't burn them out. A good mounted shooting home is a great place for a horse. |
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Location: KS | I have a mare who is is the slowest walker. I'm always way behind on trails because she likes to take her time. She is the same with her trot and canter, but she has placed in 1D open and youth. Mostly 2D/3D horse. She can get up and go once she sees those barrels, but you would NEVER EVER guess that just by riding her on trails or warming up. She is so laid back and chill, but a heck of a barrel horse. (Note: we don't drug her or anything.) Just grain, hay and salt blocks. Hopes this helps. He might be one heck of a barrel horse too.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Trainers know the easiest way to success is pick a horse who wants to do what you want to do. Otherwise, sell asap and let them find their different path with someone else. I do not beliving in waiting one out i.e., letting them "mature" into having a heart for it. While their peers are on the path to their calling in life, older and still not moving in a specific direction decreases their value. I ride jumpers and while I do wait for the physical demands for the older they get, we still read the horse and work them towards where their talent lies. He may do well marketed to trainers or owners who want to bring a hunter horse along.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | He sure might mature and come to his speed. He looks very growthy for a 2yr old and most of mine we raise have excellent minds and aren't a bit flighty or speedy acting. But as soon as you ask them, they take off like a rocket.
But if you are sure he can't run, I would try for a HUS horse. He isn't going to be tall enough to command the big dollars but he is built very similar to what they like, he's got the popular color and Seattle Slew is a wonderful TB cross to produce the big winning HUS horses. Must be something with the movement he sires or maybe even mind set.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | and size isn't eveything, I have seen a lot of youth and amatuer horses that are no bigger than 15.3 win lots of Circuit awards and even do well at World.  |
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| psaaat - 2015-07-07 4:32 AM
My 2-year-old Appendix colt (now gelding) is not going to be a barrel/race horse as planned. He is ignoring his papers (Seattle Slew/Truckle Feature). He is a super laid back, sweet, goofy, lanky boy who will probably mature about 15.2-15.3 hands. Anyone have any experience/suggestions on how I should market him? I'm thinking as a hunter/jumper or even as a trail horse for a weekend rider that wants to put the time into him. He is a lovely mover. He has not been started under saddle yet as I like to wait till they are 3, especially for Appendix horses.
I agree, I would hate for you to count him out and then have to out run him some day! LOL But give him a job like running barrels and that might light his fire. You can tell by his eye he is just as you described!! Sweet and Kind. |
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Location: Montana | I'd also agree with those who suggested giving him some time under saddle before you assume he won't run. The best ones are laid back and fast.
Our Seattle Slew son is a stud so he's always up for that . . . but otherwise is still amazingly sweet and kind. He won a race at Belmont, so he can run. But he's good just getting petted too.
I admit I opened this thread because I was hoping someone was going to have a bunch of great advice about how to actually sell a hunter/jumper etc prospect. Like magic websites! Or magazines. ;-) I haven't tried to market one in ages and have to learn something about it. We'll keep most of his fillies, but our SS son is 16.3 and I have to sell his colts too . . . . |
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Location: North Dakota | I was going to say the same thing the others said: You don't know he won't make a barrel horse.
My old horse (1D locally) was like a western pleasure horse. Ho-hum and laid back, and dragged his feet. He didn't even really look like he was moving all that fast on the pattern but he could cover ground and clock. Quite enjoyed it too.
My colt who is 4 this year is SUPER laid back. I love him. So quiet and smooth. The last time I ran him before I discovered an injury, he had a little "spark" to him and finally seemed to understand what was going on. Placed in the 4D. He's only going to get faster as he figures out what is going on, and learns how to run.
Obviously, he is your horse and you can do as you wish, but I would not say they "won't make a barrel horse" jhust because they are quiet and laid back. |
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Location: So. California | You know your horse best. He does have long pasterns and is built more Tbish.. And you describe "lovely movement". Does he have more of a floaty trot? I would market him as HUS, English pleasure, dressage, etc... With that color and breeding, he should sell quickly if priced right. Good luck! |
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Location: Dearing, GA | Sorry if I'm mimicking an earlier post, but if you haven't started him under saddle how do you know he's not competitive? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If hes not even broke yet how do you know he wont make a barrel horse, I would rather have them layed back when being broke, these seem to learn and take things in better. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | ausranch - 2015-07-07 3:06 PM I'd also agree with those who suggested giving him some time under saddle before you assume he won't run. The best ones are laid back and fast. Our Seattle Slew son is a stud so he's always up for that . . . but otherwise is still amazingly sweet and kind. He won a race at Belmont, so he can run. But he's good just getting petted too. I admit I opened this thread because I was hoping someone was going to have a bunch of great advice about how to actually sell a hunter/jumper etc prospect. Like magic websites! Or magazines. ;-) I haven't tried to market one in ages and have to learn something about it. We'll keep most of his fillies, but our SS son is 16.3 and I have to sell his colts too . . . .
If you don't already, you might spend time at the Chronicle of the Horse forums, the breeding forum would be helpful for insight on what's popular, where people are marketing them, etc. Perhaps the H/J, eventing or racing forums. Are all the babies appendix or do you also have TB and WB mares you're breeding him to?
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Location: Texas | Thank you for all of the feedback. Yes, I don't know for a fact that he will not be a good, solid barrel horse. He has hopped over some low fences that just happened to be in his way, or so he thought. No hesitation at all. So considering his conformation, disposition, movement, and ease of jumping, I have been pondering marketing him as a hunter prospect. He doesn't show a desire to run, turn fast, or a competitive streak. He could be a good competitive trail/mounted shooting horse but don't know what that market is like. I want to set him up for success and unfortunately, as a gelding, he no longer fits into our breeding program. We have his half sisters who have been well started and just need to be hauled and seasoned. His full sister who is a broodmare after a life threatening injury as a 2-year-old, and some other very promising fillies. To make time for them, he's on the back burner. We aren't in a rush to sell him, just want to find him the right home where he is a part of the family and enjoys his job. He's a goofy boy with an endearing personality, very social, and likes being with people.
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| ausranch - 2015-07-07 3:06 PM
I'd also agree with those who suggested giving him some time under saddle before you assume he won't run. The best ones are laid back and fast.
Our Seattle Slew son is a stud so he's always up for that . . . but otherwise is still amazingly sweet and kind. He won a race at Belmont, so he can run. But he's good just getting petted too.
I admit I opened this thread because I was hoping someone was going to have a bunch of great advice about how to actually sell a hunter/jumper etc prospect. Like magic websites! Or magazines. ;-) I haven't tried to market one in ages and have to learn something about it. We'll keep most of his fillies, but our SS son is 16.3 and I have to sell his colts too . . . .
If they look like the colt of his on your website, you shouldn't have a bit of a problem! He's not halter pretty - but that body SCREAMS athlete. I kept telling myself "You do not need another baby....you do not need another baby!!!" Do you ship semen?
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Location: Florida.. | If hes flat kneed (which the one photo appears he is..) you can market as a Hunter prospect..but truthfully without any training he will have to be priced low.. most prefer to see them undersaddle ..hes really a handsome boy .Good Luck..
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| Frankly, When selling, I just include great photos, a video, and bloodline. Let the buyer decide what they will excel at based on simply that. |
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Location: My perfect world bubble | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-08 5:52 PM If hes flat kneed (which the one photo appears he is..) you can market as a Hunter prospect..but truthfully without any training he will have to be priced low.. most prefer to see them undersaddle ..hes really a handsome boy .Good Luck..
Ditto. And being under 16H will be a huge selling disadvantage in the English world. 16H is considered on the small side for any of the jumping disciplines. |
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Location: North Dakota | Umm he's pretty ugly selling him will be hard work. You better just send him to me. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | unfortunately 15.2-3 is going to be a tougher hunter sell, especially as a prospect.
In in the open classes, many want one to be 16 hh+. He will be at a disadvantage trying to make the correct number of strides between the fences.
He's quite pretty. My horse is very laid back on the ground, but is pretty peppy under saddle. I'd get him riding and then decide what he'd be best at if he were mine.
Any my of the general horse sales sites, like dream horse orEquine.com woul be fine to sell him.
Bigeq.com is specifically catered to open hunters/jumpers
if you truly want to market him to a show home, consign him with a trainer in that discipline.
Best of luck! He seems pretty. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | If he covers ground and has a decent stride, I would try to market him as an eventer. Some of the lower level folks really like the appendix (and tbs are being used at the TOP of the sport), and they don't seem as preoccupied with height IME
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-10 1:36 PM If he covers ground and has a decent stride, I would try to market him as an eventer. Some of the lower level folks really like the appendix (and tbs are being used at the TOP of the sport), and they don't seem as preoccupied with height IME
agree.. low level and even small local shows.. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-07 5:45 PM
If hes not even broke yet how do you know he wont make a barrel horse, I would rather have them layed back when being broke, these seem to learn and take things in better.
OK... Lets see you sell this baby as a good barrel horse prospect...
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Location: Florida.. | awww hes cute |
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