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Location: In The Snow, AZ | So, I feel like an idiot, because I responded to another bucking post about what I'd do if I had a horse that bucked. That being said, apparently I have one! YAY! My gelding is 5. Green broke. Started as a long 4 year old, just before I bought him. He's super mellow. Doesn't get excited about really anything. He's not oober spooky. He'd rather walk than anything else. I've ponied my daughter off of him many times on the trails without incident. A few weeks ago, I was slow loping the pattern with him. It was getting stormy out and he seemed to feel good about that. He bucked hard and I couldn't get him pulled up. He grabbed the bit and went for it. I hit the ground, but not super hard. Worked him a bit from the ground, then remounted and finished my ride on a better note.
Fast forward to yesterday, I saddled him and my mare up. Was going to pony her off of him. Two birds with one stone. (I don't get a lot of time to ride with my daughter on summer break). Mounted up, walked around the house. My mare was loligagging behind. Gelding didn't like the lead rope touching his butt and starts sidestepping and humping up. I threw the lead rope to the side to try and get him settled down. NOPE. He spun, took off running and went in to full bronc mode. He grabbed the bit and I had no response no matter how hard I tried to one rein him around. He is a big, strong dude. And he was determined to get me off. I don't believe he wants to hurt me. I believe he's young and doesn't know how to react to something that scares him. But once he starts bucking, I do believe he knows exactly what he's trying to accomplish. I got pretty banged up. Cut my face up, my arms look like I took a cheese grader to them, my knees and hip have something strained insde and I hurt everywhere. I didn't get back on, but managed to round pen him before tying him up for the day. I'm not scared to get back on, but I need to figure out how to gain control back once he reaches that point. Anyone have ideas? He's a nice, nice horse. This is new for him, BUT I don't want my husband to come home to me on the ground in a bad way.... | |
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| I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up.
This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me.
If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him. | |
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Location: Kansas | Could be several things. He needs lots of wet saddle pads for one...could be in pain...or it could be he's just a colt and needs to get the buck out of him.
Lounge him before you ride, every time. I do this with my colt, then hop on and he is fine.
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Location: Central Texas | bennie1 - 2015-07-09 10:29 AM
I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up.
This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me.
If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him.
I agree with this. Send him to someone will ride and work the heck out of him. See if that changes his mind. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'll be following this thread!!
I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern. He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern), but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him. I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line. For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.
Could your gelding be cold backed? It might explain some his actions, but not the lead rope incident. Hope you get him figured out!
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I agree! He is bucking with purpose. I do not believe he is in pain. And I have never had a horse who wouldn't pull up or around. I wish I knew someone who could cowboy on him. That's what I told my husband. They could just take him for however long and ride him out. But I don't know anyone that I would trust to take him. Also thought about sending him off to a trainer. But that much $ going out right now is not really an option as we're saving for a down payment. I like the horse, but I'm not attached in a way that I wouldn't send him down the road. I don't need to break my neck over it. I will start round penning him before I ride. Maybe that will help him. Just frustrating that once he starts, there is no stop. | |
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Location: Montana | I know the feeling, only I was able to pull his head round on my colt after about 5 bucks, and I think he was being fresh and probably a little cold backed as he had a week off because he humped up from the get go. Now I lunge before I get on, and so far it has worked. I'd like to send him off to get some more rides and be used, but everyone is so busy this time of the year I don't know who to send him to. Or give him a job, something to focus on. Plus he's a 3 y/o, and has less than 60 rides on him, so I'm thinking that may be part of it. More wet saddle blankets are a must for him.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ampratt - 2015-07-09 10:33 AM bennie1 - 2015-07-09 10:29 AM I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up. This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me. If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him. I agree with this. Send him to someone will ride and work the heck out of him. See if that changes his mind.
I third this. And if it doesn't work, cut him loose. Not worth it.
My experience with a sneaky bucker that wanted me off: bucked me off twice after ownng him about 6 weeks. Like yours, once he started, he kept ramping it up until I was off. Sent to a trainer who rode him hard for a couple of weeks and horse was an angel. Went to pick him up, he bucked trainer off twice in less than 5 minutes and that dude was pretty handy. I traded him back to the breeder who had sold him to me as a gentle, super broke ranch horse.
I have one now that tried to buck me off last winter after a spook and run, but I got her head up or she raised it up after I started yelling curse words at her (I've had her since she was a yearling, she knows what that means. LOL). She went to horsey boot camp after that, saddled and tied in the morning, ridden in the afternoon, round penned, ground driven, or ponied before I stepped on. She hasn't offered to do it since, but if she does, she will be going to get cowboyed. Unlike yours, mine is kinda spooky, especially when she's in season, but she's coming back to me better now instead of panicking. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck? | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 8:49 AM Are you riding in a treeless saddle?
It has been varying BECAUSE of this. Originally I had him in a Billy Cook. Hubby bought me a treeless for him. Fits him beautifully. But that was the saddle I had on him when he first bucked. Granted, I've rideen him in the treeless several times without incident. So I have ridden him back in the Billy Cook or my husbands rope saddle. Yesterday he was in the rope saddle.
What would cause a horse to become cold backed? I haven't ridden him as much as he needs, I know that for sure. And I've just been getting by until Amber goes back to school. My daughter's only 6, so It's hard to entertain her while finding time to ride. So, yes, I have neglected working with him consistently. He may be fresh in that sense.
I like the idea of grabbing him out after feeding, saddling and leaving him there. Then round penning and working him throughout the day. Maybe a lightbulb will go off. But right now, hubby wants him gone. And maybe he's right. That was my thought after I got off the ground yesterday. LOL. I was wiping blood off my face and thinking, "That f***** is GONE" It may be the end result. But I don't want to just give up until I've really tried.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 9:02 AM Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck?
Um, I would say total....maybe 10 rides with the treeless when he first bucked. But yesterday I had a treed saddle on him. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 11:07 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-09 9:02 AM Ok I found your thread about the pads for a treelees and see that you do ride in a treeless, I would go back to a treed saddle on him. How long were you riding him in your treeless befor he statred to buck? Um, I would say total....maybe 10 rides with the treeless when he first bucked. But yesterday I had a treed saddle on him.
Maybe have a chiro go over him, run your fingers down his back from withers to top of hip with some perssure and see if maybe hes sore, I dont blame your husband, hes worry about you getting really hurt, you dont need this, I would be cussing too if one of mine did this to me and hurt me.
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Location: Central Texas | If you have a little extra money I would suggest having his back xrayed. I suggest this because we had a mare when we first started her under saddle she appeared to be fine. Maybe a little humpy once in a while but no buck. Sent her to the trainer, she rode fine there at first as well but the more he rode/worked her she finally started breaking in two and I mean break in two. She didn't do it every time but she got to where she did it most of the time. She would ride fine for a while and then just bust loose. Finally had her back xrayed and she had a very very bad case of kissing spine. Now, like I said, it really didn't start to effect her until she started getting some serious saddle time. She was the sweetest thing to handle on the ground, great manners and acted great at the first start of a ride, then bam! Just a thought in the ruling things out process. | |
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Location: somewhere in the middle | i always try to give them the benefit of the doubt and make sure that i'm not causing the problem inadvertently but in this case i really don't thing that your horse is sore. he just wants to buck you off. send him to a feed lot cowboy/colt breaker type of guy and insist he be completely honest with you about him so as not to was too much time or money on him. if he's not confident he's fixing him,CUT HIM LOOSE. Your well being is a lot more important than 'winning' this battle with the horse. And there's still the chance he may not even make a good barrel horse even if you get him over this. There are just too many horses out there to literally bust yourself up over this one. | |
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Location: Missouri | IMO, he isn't cold-backed. That's one that you can feel when you get on, like they've got a hump in their spine and might do something. But, they warm up out of it (either lounging or riding.)
He also doesn't sound like a dirty bucker, one that bucks for no reason, without warning, with the intent to hurt you, no matter how long you've been on them.
I am not a trainer, but I do try to hang out with them as much as possible... and to me, your horse just doesn't sound broke. He's getting spooked or excited and reacting.
I couldn't handle one that bucked so hard...I'd have to send him off, if I felt like he was worth it. He needs riding and training. He needs to know there are other ways to react when he gets frightened. Lots of wet saddle blankets! 
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Location: California | If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I run my fingers down his spine, with pressure, every time I saddle. He has never shown any soreness. He's a sweet guy. If I knew how to find someone who could use him on a ranch for a month or so, I would. But, like I said, we have other priorities that rank higher than him, so I'm not willing to emprovise what we're working towards to put money into him. He's costed us enough as it is. After reading your responses, I don't believe he is cold backed. I think he just needs worked hard and long and help him figure his way out of it, and find different ways to respond to something uncomfortable, And although I don't want to give up, I also don't want to get hurt....because it hurts. LOL. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | ccarpe18 - 2015-07-09 10:05 AM If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet.
I've never heard of double bitting. That might be something to try. I was also wondering about the little doodad "anti buck" device that runs over the poll and to the bit to keep from getting the head down so far. But not sure how those fare? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 12:11 PM I run my fingers down his spine, with pressure, every time I saddle. He has never shown any soreness. He's a sweet guy. If I knew how to find someone who could use him on a ranch for a month or so, I would. But, like I said, we have other priorities that rank higher than him, so I'm not willing to emprovise what we're working towards to put money into him. He's costed us enough as it is. After reading your responses, I don't believe he is cold backed. I think he just needs worked hard and long and help him figure his way out of it, and find different ways to respond to something uncomfortable, And although I don't want to give up, I also don't want to get hurt....because it hurts. LOL.
See if you can find someone that will ride him for you for a couple of weeks, hes needs someone that can ride him threw his bucking, I know that your strap for money, but this would be worth to see if he will get over this bucking crud, do you have a friend that would be willing to ride him for you that works cattle?
I got a horse about five years or more ago that would buck and he could crank it up and get his riders off, I got him and hes never bucked me off but a few times he thought about it and didnt let him get started when I could tell hes thinking about it, I really think it was a saddle issue at the time. Had another one that was a perfect boy untill I changed saddle pads, my new pad was to hard and stiff and he hated it changed back to his old pad and no problem. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Definitely check his back for soreness. Think about hocks/stifles as they are often a cause of back pain too. Maybe check teeth or think ulcers.
After that, you sort of have a couple options, have someone who can cowboy him and give him some saddle blankets or see what you can do at home. I see what I could do at home first. I'd saddle him up a couple hours or more before I wanted to ride. I'd lounge him or roundpen him (depending on your philosophy) until he was paying attention. I'd do a ton of desensitizing ground work with him. I'd tie him after I finished to think about it another hour or two and I'd do it every day or at least 5-6 out of 7.
If he doesn't come around, send him out for 30 to someone who specializes in buckers. If that doesn't work, down the road.
We have a six year old that is a bad mamajama at that bucking game. What made us to decide to invest in some extra training for him is that he is NOT A MEAN BUCKER. We had a bad experience with one trainer and him and he came back just scared of the world. He bucks because he's scared. He's still a nice horse and has a sweet heart so we decided to stick with him. He's been at Teryn Muench's who basically tied him out all day, saddled him a ton (including several times a day), and lunged him (including jumping over barrels and such), and then ground drove him, and then jumped on him. He never bucked once Teryn was in the saddle but he worked the dickens out of him. Took him a while but now he's at a point where's he's ready to go work some wheat pasture cattle and feed lots. He'll do that for a while. We're hoping by the time we get him back to have something we can work with. If he's still too much, we'll find him a home with someone that can handle his quirks. | |
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Location: Texas!! | Several years ago my SIL worked for John Deere and she got to go to a Chris Cox weekend deal at his place in Weatherford. I think someone would just bring 1 well know problem horse in the area and he worked with it. The one he had that weekend was a serious bucker, when it decided to buck. He lunged it with a lariat rope around its flanks and made it buck til it couldn't buck any more. Then he would make it buck even more! His goal was to wear it out and make it not like bucking, it was too much work. I don't know how it worked out in the long run, but by the end of the weekend that horse didn't want to buck any more...lol
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ccarpe18 - 2015-07-09 10:05 AM If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet.
I've never heard of double bitting. That might be something to try. I was also wondering about the little doodad "anti buck" device that runs over the poll and to the bit to keep from getting the head down so far. But not sure how those fare?
These can work but they can cause some hellacious accidents if the horse panics and goes to flip over or something. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | oija - 2015-07-09 12:27 PM ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 12:14 PM ccarpe18 - 2015-07-09 10:05 AM If there is nothing wrong with him (back pain soreness or other above mentioned) & he still tried to buck like that... I would double bit him. If he is not listening when you pull him up, then I would have a backup bit. Typically you will see double bits in dressage, one just a snaffle & the other w/a shank. That or I would have a type of mechanical hackamore on him and use that as a backup. Just something where you can ride "normal" but still have the other option for "emergency" purposes. He may be learning if he bucks enough, it gets you off on days he doesn't want to work.
I mean it could just be another suggestion if you can't send him off, and don't want to sell him just yet. I've never heard of double bitting. That might be something to try. I was also wondering about the little doodad "anti buck" device that runs over the poll and to the bit to keep from getting the head down so far. But not sure how those fare? These can work but they can cause some hellacious accidents if the horse panics and goes to flip over or something.
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Location: Central Texas | oija - 2015-07-09 12:24 PM
Definitely check his back for soreness. Think about hocks/stifles as they are often a cause of back pain too. Maybe check teeth or think ulcers.
After that, you sort of have a couple options, have someone who can cowboy him and give him some saddle blankets or see what you can do at home. I see what I could do at home first. I'd saddle him up a couple hours or more before I wanted to ride. I'd lounge him or roundpen him (depending on your philosophy) until he was paying attention. I'd do a ton of desensitizing ground work with him. I'd tie him after I finished to think about it another hour or two and I'd do it every day or at least 5-6 out of 7.
If he doesn't come around, send him out for 30 to someone who specializes in buckers. If that doesn't work, down the road.
We have a six year old that is a bad mamajama at that bucking game. What made us to decide to invest in some extra training for him is that he is NOT A MEAN BUCKER. We had a bad experience with one trainer and him and he came back just scared of the world. He bucks because he's scared. He's still a nice horse and has a sweet heart so we decided to stick with him. He's been at Teryn Muench's who basically tied him out all day, saddled him a ton (including several times a day), and lunged him (including jumping over barrels and such), and then ground drove him, and then jumped on him. He never bucked once Teryn was in the saddle but he worked the dickens out of him. Took him a while but now he's at a point where's he's ready to go work some wheat pasture cattle and feed lots. He'll do that for a while. We're hoping by the time we get him back to have something we can work with. If he's still too much, we'll find him a home with someone that can handle his quirks.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | rodeodelux - 2015-07-09 10:25 AM Several years ago my SIL worked for John Deere and she got to go to a Chris Cox weekend deal at his place in Weatherford. I think someone would just bring 1 well know problem horse in the area and he worked with it. The one he had that weekend was a serious bucker, when it decided to buck. He lunged it with a lariat rope around its flanks and made it buck til it couldn't buck any more. Then he would make it buck even more! His goal was to wear it out and make it not like bucking, it was too much work. I don't know how it worked out in the long run, but by the end of the weekend that horse didn't want to buck any more...lol
Am I awful for thinking that sounds like a good idea? I have a 90 foot round pen and could buck him out in there.... And just to ease some minds, I have been riding for 14 years and have worked with green horses, young horses and abused horses. I am by no means a professional, but I have had a decent amount of experience and I do my research before trying new things. Lol. But I do think this gelding may benefit from this. | |
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Location: SE KS | Longneck - 2015-07-09 10:38 AM
I'll be following this thread!!
I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern. He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern), but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him. I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line. For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.
Could your gelding be cold backed? It might explain some his actions, but not the lead rope incident. Hope you get him figured out!
I have a question for you on when you were lungeing him, when he started getting fiesty, what did you do?
I'm thinking of what I would do if one was fiesty on the end of a lunge line!!!! | |
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oija - 2015-07-09 12:24 PM
Definitely check his back for soreness. Think about hocks/stifles as they are often a cause of back pain too. Maybe check teeth or think ulcers.
After that, you sort of have a couple options, have someone who can cowboy him and give him some saddle blankets or see what you can do at home. I see what I could do at home first. I'd saddle him up a couple hours or more before I wanted to ride. I'd lounge him or roundpen him (depending on your philosophy) until he was paying attention. I'd do a ton of desensitizing ground work with him. I'd tie him after I finished to think about it another hour or two and I'd do it every day or at least 5-6 out of 7.
If he doesn't come around, send him out for 30 to someone who specializes in buckers. If that doesn't work, down the road.
We have a six year old that is a bad mamajama at that bucking game. What made us to decide to invest in some extra training for him is that he is NOT A MEAN BUCKER. We had a bad experience with one trainer and him and he came back just scared of the world. He bucks because he's scared. He's still a nice horse and has a sweet heart so we decided to stick with him. He's been at Teryn Muench's who basically tied him out all day, saddled him a ton (including several times a day), and lunged him (including jumping over barrels and such), and then ground drove him, and then jumped on him. He never bucked once Teryn was in the saddle but he worked the dickens out of him. Took him a while but now he's at a point where's he's ready to go work some wheat pasture cattle and feed lots. He'll do that for a while. We're hoping by the time we get him back to have something we can work with. If he's still too much, we'll find him a home with someone that can handle his quirks.
Teryn is a HAND! He grew up ranching in big rough country and he can dang sure get one to riding nice.
Yup and Teryn says ours is one of the worst he's had to mess with. He agreed with us that he is not mean (which is what he likes most about him), just scared. Took him 6 months to get that colt to the 30 day point so he could go cowboy. We really like the colt though. He's athletic and well bred. We still believe he's going to come along; we're just being patient. | |
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| I have a gelding who has never bucked. Never when he was broke or any other time. He did hump up some when he had EPM bu not out right buck. About 5 weeks ago he broke in two running to the first barrel. Turned out he had a wolf tooth that broke off when they were removed when he was 10 months old. He is 11 now. Teeth are extremely important and cause major problems | |
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rodeodelux - 2015-07-09 10:25 AM Several years ago my SIL worked for John Deere and she got to go to a Chris Cox weekend deal at his place in Weatherford. I think someone would just bring 1 well know problem horse in the area and he worked with it. The one he had that weekend was a serious bucker, when it decided to buck. He lunged it with a lariat rope around its flanks and made it buck til it couldn't buck any more. Then he would make it buck even more! His goal was to wear it out and make it not like bucking, it was too much work. I don't know how it worked out in the long run, but by the end of the weekend that horse didn't want to buck any more...lol
Am I awful for thinking that sounds like a good idea? I have a 90 foot round pen and could buck him out in there.... And just to ease some minds, I have been riding for 14 years and have worked with green horses, young horses and abused horses. I am by no means a professional, but I have had a decent amount of experience and I do my research before trying new things. Lol. But I do think this gelding may benefit from this.
If this is something you are interested in trying, Clinton Anderson had an episode on it just a couple weeks ago on RFDTV. Maybe you can google or youtube that episode - it was very informative about why/how he was doing each step in the process. I found it very interesting. Best of Luck to you!
Edited because it was Clinton Anderson, not Chris Cox....
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Location: Central Texas | I have used the rope around the flanks on few in a round pen. It really does work. You MUST use a soft rope with a quick release type of honda and very little pressure. For me, the Clinton Anderson longe line works well. I learned on my first attempt that it is easy to draw blood on their flanks by using a rope that is too stiff. I would not want to do it with a horse on a longe line in case the horse gets to pulling away, which might cause me to pull too hard on the flank rope. Also, if they get away, then you have to unteach that!
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Location: Central Texas | Another tool that I have used is a check rein running from the saddle horn to the crown piece of the headstall. If the horse bogs his head to buck, the bit will bite the corners of his mouth and they can't get their head down. That is uncomfortable and makes most of the stop bucking. I've ridden a few with it rigged up and that saved me, since I'm not a very good bronc rider. The only failing with this method is that some of them learn to buck with their head up! | |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | The biggest thing that has saved my hiney with a bucker has been getting them soft in the face. That way I can catch them with a lot less effort before they get a jump on me. If I have to pull to get their head around they're not soft enough. I want them where I can barely pick up and their head comes around.
Another thing I would be doing is working on a lot of sacking out not only from the ground but also from above his head like from a pony horse or a fence. He needs to get used to ropes being all around his butt, under his tail, around his legs.
As far as lunging, I would work more on getting his mind than just wearing the edge off. You get a horse's mind you get their feet.
Another thing you can do is watch for that change through his back -- when you feel it, immediately change directions for a stride or two & then change again. That disrupts his thought. They show what they're thinking about before they actually do it through their body pretty much like we do through our expressions. The key is to be sensitive to it & watch for it. | |
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Location: Canada | Honestly my opinion is the lead rope scared him a bit and he took that opportunity to be dirty. Horses don't spook in the pasture and put their head between their legs and buck -- they run away!
It doesn't sound like a pain issue more a behavioral one.
If he's getting a hold of his bit you may have it too loose. What type of bit are you riding him in?
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Location: Oklahoma | lhighquality - 2015-07-09 1:06 PM Longneck - 2015-07-09 10:38 AM I'll be following this thread!!
I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern. He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern), but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him. I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line. For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.
Could your gelding be cold backed? It might explain some his actions, but not the lead rope incident. Hope you get him figured out!
I have a question for you on when you were lungeing him, when he started getting fiesty, what did you do? I'm thinking of what I would do if one was fiesty on the end of a lunge line!!!!
Luckily he reponds extremely well to voice cues! He lowered his head and started kicking out (not full on bucks, lol!) and I gave him a very stern "whoa" and he slowed back down to a trot. He only acts that way when he starts loping... lunge line, free range in the pasture or under saddle. | |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | Not to be the odd man out here, but it sounds like you don't have enough time to really get him rode down to where he is respecting you more. If he's not sore or have issues with his spine, it's behavioral. It will get worse if you can't get him out of it. And I'm with your husband on this one, sell that sucker to someone who wants that type of challenge. There are too many good horses out there to waste your time on one that will try to kill you. I had one I refused to give up on for 2 years. I finally sold her after a rotated spine (myself) and a broken collar bone later. I now have permanent damage and scars because I wouldn't give up on my bucker. I finally had had enough and she was sold. Again, there are too many nice nice horses out there, you shouldn't have to waste your time on one that is a knuckle head and will break in two on you at any time. It's not safe for you or for anyone else that might be around when that happens. | |
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Location: somewhere up north | I don't understand how right away people ask if the horse is sore and that's why he bucked the way he did. Blame it on a treeless saddle or whatever. WHAT!?! My BROKE horses do not pile me, or take off and go to broncing on me when they have a sore back or ulcers. Nor do my 4 or 5 year olds. My hsuand rides in a tree saddle, I ride in a treeless. If that's how they react then they are headed down to road and finding a new zipcode! Some people have suggested a cowboy or round penning them. I totally agree with this. My husband has taken in a few horses with buck or cinchy type issues and also started several colts this year and what gets them through these type of scenarios is sacking out, working the crap out of them, giving to pressure and pushing them through difficult situations and then releasing. We use tarps, milk jugs and flags on the end of a stick, having them drag bike tires with rope, etc. One came to use two weeks ago and had dumped the girl hard a few times. She thought maybe saddle fit issue?? He's 5. He's also very quiet and tarps and such actually didn't bother him (most we get are pretty flighty about this stuff). The first 5 days he bucked like a son of a gun and my husband did put a rope around him and his flank and would put pressure and release and just worked him hard and let him buck until it wasn't fun anymore. He would finally stop bucking, then he would get on and ride him and he would work him hard again. Getting him soft in the face and respecting his cues. He rode him in 3 different saddles by the end with no lunging and yesterday his owner got on him and rode him around too with no issues. He neede someone to push his buttons and teach him respect. In the beginning he was lazy and would lope and do things so easy at the end he had the look like I am ready to work. I am listening. Big difference.
I see so many horses being put on the pattern and running and they can't lope a collected circle, give to pressure, haven't been sacked out and then they start falling apart and it must be because he's sore or has ulcers.
Long story short. Spend every day..even if it's 15 minutes and sack the crap out of him. Tie plastic bags to your saddle, lunge him with a tarp on him, do whatever you can on the ground to put him through his paces to keep yourself safe. Then get on him and use all these same mechanisms in the round pen until he gives you every reason to believe he trusts and respects you. Good luck!! Stay safe!!! :)
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Girls_Gotta_Jet - 2015-07-09 12:20 PM
Not to be the odd man out here, but it sounds like you don't have enough time to really get him rode down to where he is respecting you more. If he's not sore or have issues with his spine, it's behavioral. It will get worse if you can't get him out of it. And I'm with your husband on this one, sell that sucker to someone who wants that type of challenge. There are too many good horses out there to waste your time on one that will try to kill you. I had one I refused to give up on for 2 years. I finally sold her after a rotated spine (myself) and a broken collar bone later. I now have permanent damage and scars because I wouldn't give up on my bucker. I finally had had enough and she was sold. Again, there are too many nice nice horses out there, you shouldn't have to waste your time on one that is a knuckle head and will break in two on you at any time. It's not safe for you or for anyone else that might be around when that happens.
I absolutely agree that I haven't had enough time. 100%. I do agree that it is a behavioral problem as well. I think he takes the opportunity, as someone else had said, to be dirty. I understand that it is my fault for not spending enough time working with him. We got him just before winter hit. So didn't ride much due to the snow and ice. Started working with him back in the spring. Then we had really weird monsoon weather super early on, as did a lot of people. And it wasn't worth sloshing and sliding in the mud. And now my daughters at home non stop. Lol. I was hoping I could get by with a ride here and there until school started back. But he's showing me that's not the case. I'm just going to have to start setting time aside every day to saddle, work him and tie him up. Maybe we can get somewhere, maybe I'll have to send him down the road. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | chasincansMN - 2015-07-09 1:42 PM
I don't understand how right away people ask if the horse is sore and that's why he bucked the way he did. Blame it on a treeless saddle or whatever. WHAT!?! My BROKE horses do not pile me, or take off and go to broncing on me when they have a sore back or ulcers. Nor do my 4 or 5 year olds. My hsuand rides in a tree saddle, I ride in a treeless. If that's how they react then they are headed down to road and finding a new zipcode! Some people have suggested a cowboy or round penning them. I totally agree with this. My husband has taken in a few horses with buck or cinchy type issues and also started several colts this year and what gets them through these type of scenarios is sacking out, working the crap out of them, giving to pressure and pushing them through difficult situations and then releasing. We use tarps, milk jugs and flags on the end of a stick, having them drag bike tires with rope, etc. One came to use two weeks ago and had dumped the girl hard a few times. She thought maybe saddle fit issue?? He's 5. He's also very quiet and tarps and such actually didn't bother him (most we get are pretty flighty about this stuff). The first 5 days he bucked like a son of a gun and my husband did put a rope around him and his flank and would put pressure and release and just worked him hard and let him buck until it wasn't fun anymore. He would finally stop bucking, then he would get on and ride him and he would work him hard again. Getting him soft in the face and respecting his cues. He rode him in 3 different saddles by the end with no lunging and yesterday his owner got on him and rode him around too with no issues. He neede someone to push his buttons and teach him respect. In the beginning he was lazy and would lope and do things so easy at the end he had the look like I am ready to work. I am listening. Big difference.
I see so many horses being put on the pattern and running and they can't lope a collected circle, give to pressure, haven't been sacked out and then they start falling apart and it must be because he's sore or has ulcers.
Long story short. Spend every day..even if it's 15 minutes and sack the crap out of him. Tie plastic bags to your saddle, lunge him with a tarp on him, do whatever you can on the ground to put him through his paces to keep yourself safe. Then get on him and use all these same mechanisms in the round pen until he gives you every reason to believe he trusts and respects you. Good luck!! Stay safe!!! :)
Thank you! I appreciate this. I think I'm realizing that maybe I need to dumb it down a bit and focus back on the basics. Start from the ground up. It doesn't seem like enough time was ever spent there. | |
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Location: somewhere up north | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 3:52 PM chasincansMN - 2015-07-09 1:42 PM I don't understand how right away people ask if the horse is sore and that's why he bucked the way he did. Blame it on a treeless saddle or whatever. WHAT!?! My BROKE horses do not pile me, or take off and go to broncing on me when they have a sore back or ulcers. Nor do my 4 or 5 year olds. My hsuand rides in a tree saddle, I ride in a treeless. If that's how they react then they are headed down to road and finding a new zipcode! Some people have suggested a cowboy or round penning them. I totally agree with this. My husband has taken in a few horses with buck or cinchy type issues and also started several colts this year and what gets them through these type of scenarios is sacking out, working the crap out of them, giving to pressure and pushing them through difficult situations and then releasing. We use tarps, milk jugs and flags on the end of a stick, having them drag bike tires with rope, etc. One came to use two weeks ago and had dumped the girl hard a few times. She thought maybe saddle fit issue?? He's 5. He's also very quiet and tarps and such actually didn't bother him (most we get are pretty flighty about this stuff). The first 5 days he bucked like a son of a gun and my husband did put a rope around him and his flank and would put pressure and release and just worked him hard and let him buck until it wasn't fun anymore. He would finally stop bucking, then he would get on and ride him and he would work him hard again. Getting him soft in the face and respecting his cues. He rode him in 3 different saddles by the end with no lunging and yesterday his owner got on him and rode him around too with no issues. He neede someone to push his buttons and teach him respect. In the beginning he was lazy and would lope and do things so easy at the end he had the look like I am ready to work. I am listening. Big difference.
I see so many horses being put on the pattern and running and they can't lope a collected circle, give to pressure, haven't been sacked out and then they start falling apart and it must be because he's sore or has ulcers.
Long story short. Spend every day..even if it's 15 minutes and sack the crap out of him. Tie plastic bags to your saddle, lunge him with a tarp on him, do whatever you can on the ground to put him through his paces to keep yourself safe. Then get on him and use all these same mechanisms in the round pen until he gives you every reason to believe he trusts and respects you. Good luck!! Stay safe!!! :)
Thank you! I appreciate this. I think I'm realizing that maybe I need to dumb it down a bit and focus back on the basics. Start from the ground up. It doesn't seem like enough time was ever spent there.
You might think it's dumbing it down, but really he will be so much better for it and it will make riding him way more enjoyable. Let him stand tied with the saddle on for an hour or two while you spend time with your daughter. Not sure how old she is..but maybe when she goes to bed then you can go out and work with him on round pen stuff. If you just spend 15 mins a day doing it in the long run will make him an awesome horse. | |
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Location: MI | I agree with bringing it back down to the basics. When my gelding was sent out for training as a 2.5yr old, to a trainer that does Buck Brannaman kind of breaking out, he was a sensitive sonuvagun. He still is, but he totally taught him how to control it. We have our moments, certainly, and he does buck sometimes but it is controllable and when I haven't give him a long enough warm up period. However, in most cases where I really need him to behave and tolerate something new, we make it through because of this background.
The one thing I will never forget is that I thought I had done an ok job of sacking him out. I followed Clinton Andersons book, and he'd stand still while I swung a rope over him, etc. But what I hadn't done is done this while he was moving - he had absolutely no idea how to tolerate this movement/sacking out while he was moving. What the guy said to me was, "Well, you want him to be ok with a twig hitting him in the hip when you're on a trail ride, don't you, or long pieces of grass swishing against his legs?" Well, duh, of course I do! It made so much sense, that not only should horses tolerate it standing, but also under movement.
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Location: West Texas | I am going to throw this out there. I hear it all of the time... I don't have enough time for him, but in reality it takes a lot more than time. The bigger question is do you have the skill or the desire? I am not saying you do or don't, but with a bucker you better have the experience and skill, to go along with the time, because most often, that is what it takes.
Also, a lot of people say send him to a friend that ranches or rides in a feed lot. This is training and its going to cost you the same as sending to any other trainer. You think you don't want to get hurt, imagine riding for a living.....Getting hurt then can mean no income plus hospital bills. There are VERY few people that are really good with horses, that WANT to take in a bucker. Some wont do it, because they have better things to do that take a possibly dangerous problem horse. I would beware of anyone that was flat eager to take him. Usually, that is not a good sign.
Honestly, I do not like buckers and would cut my losses. I am not saying that he cant be fixed or wont make a really nice horse one day. I am saying that sounds to me like your best bet. If you really want him fixed for not much, then you really need to be able to confidently train him yourself. If not, then it will definitely take some money for a real good hand to fix him. A few weeks is not enough. Ride him hard for a few and then he gets back and full of himself, you will see the bucking again, most likely.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have never had a good horse that didn't buck every once in a while. BUT they weren't serious about throwing me and would either stop when I asked, or quit on their own before things got too crazy. I've heard non-bucking winners exist, but I've never had the privilege of owning one. LOL | |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | ~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 1:03 PM rodeodelux - 2015-07-09 10:25 AM Several years ago my SIL worked for John Deere and she got to go to a Chris Cox weekend deal at his place in Weatherford. I think someone would just bring 1 well know problem horse in the area and he worked with it. The one he had that weekend was a serious bucker, when it decided to buck. He lunged it with a lariat rope around its flanks and made it buck til it couldn't buck any more. Then he would make it buck even more! His goal was to wear it out and make it not like bucking, it was too much work. I don't know how it worked out in the long run, but by the end of the weekend that horse didn't want to buck any more...lol Am I awful for thinking that sounds like a good idea? I have a 90 foot round pen and could buck him out in there.... And just to ease some minds, I have been riding for 14 years and have worked with green horses, young horses and abused horses. I am by no means a professional, but I have had a decent amount of experience and I do my research before trying new things. Lol. But I do think this gelding may benefit from this.
My ex did this as well with a rope horse we had bought knowing he had an intermittant issue with bucking. It did help him a lot and got him less scared of things. He was very sensative around his flank area to begin with but was a super nice horse who is now winning at jackpots. | |
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| A couple of years ago I bought a 5 year old mare, that was advertised green broke. So, when I got her home I could see she was a bit over reactive and scared of things. I decided to start her like an unbroke young horse. I did ground work for a few days, then rode her in a pen for awhile and just did everything gradually. She never bucked and was real sweet natured. Well, it just so happened that I ran into a previous owner (not the guy who sold her to me), and we started talking about her. He had a totally different experience with her, he was also told she was green broke, so he saddled her up to go for a ride and she exploded. After a few times of this, he returned her to the original owner. In her case, she hadn't been started correctly, and bucked because she was scared. If I had talked to the guy she'd bucked off first though, I never would of bought her. I ride for fun, and sure don't need to get hurt. If a horse is bucking because they're scared, then desensitizing and slow work really helps. However, I also used to own a gelding that seemed very calm and gentle, until you tried to lope him in any open area, like a field. He would start off fine, and you'd be starting to relax when suddenly he'd throw his head up, grab the bit in his teeth, charge forward then slam on the brakes while dropping his head and bucking his butt up. This of course, would have a catapult effect. He was a clever bastard, I don't want anymore like him. You could ride him nearly everyday, and he'd be a good boy, until he got a little freedom.... I tried but he was just untrustworthy, some are.
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Location: So. California | Out of curiosity, what are you feeding this gelding? Maybe you are giving him too much high energy feed and he doesn't know what to do with all that energy. | |
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Location: SE Missouri | This :)
To me he sounds uneducated and fresh not dirty. Lots of standing saddled and sacking out and wet saddle blankets after either or both of those and I would think you would see a difference. I really try to put my colts/green horses in a position to be successful and if I skip or blow off the steps in gaining a foundation I'm not doing my part.. Not to mention it will bite me in the rear later. I had a 5yo that I had started patterned everything. 1/2 way through the year he dumped at the third barrel at a race.. I still really can't put my finger on why it happened but I was **** sure gonna prevent it from happening again. That afternoon he was reintroduced to logging a railroad tie, that night and the next day he stayed tied up (with food and water) and the next 45days in a row he was rworked or rode 3hRs every time. No excuses, no breaks, no days off.. Round pen, dry work, pattern work, trail riding whatever I wanted. It was hard to do bc of schedule but I had a different horse that knew if he was scared or being a turd he had no misunderstanding on who was the boss.
I think whats happening is bc you are tryin to squeeze things into your schedule (I get it and it's hard!) good luck! | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | abrooks - 2015-07-11 6:21 AM This :) To me he sounds uneducated and fresh not dirty. Lots of standing saddled and sacking out and wet saddle blankets after either or both of those and I would think you would see a difference. I really try to put my colts/green horses in a position to be successful and if I skip or blow off the steps in gaining a foundation I'm not doing my part.. Not to mention it will bite me in the rear later. I had a 5yo that I had started patterned everything. 1/2 way through the year he dumped at the third barrel at a race.. I still really can't put my finger on why it happened but I was **** sure gonna prevent it from happening again. That afternoon he was reintroduced to logging a railroad tie, that night and the next day he stayed tied up (with food and water) and the next 45days in a row he was rworked or rode 3hRs every time. No excuses, no breaks, no days off.. Round pen, dry work, pattern work, trail riding whatever I wanted. It was hard to do bc of schedule but I had a different horse that knew if he was scared or being a turd he had no misunderstanding on who was the boss. I think whats happening is bc you are tryin to squeeze things into your schedule (I get it and it's hard!) good luck!
This is how I feel. I think I need to just focus on spending the time, getting him worked. Filling in the holes. I've been good about working him daily since this happened, and plan on continuing. I appreciate the advice from everyone.
He's only getting alfalfa as of right now. He was getting beetpulp and THE MM. But took him off of that when this happened. Figured he better behave before he gets anything special. | |
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Location: Texas | Longneck - 2015-07-09 10:38 AM
I'll be following this thread!!
I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern. He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern), but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him. I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line. For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.
Could your gelding be cold backed? It might explain some his actions, but not the lead rope incident. Hope you get him figured out!
Circles, circles, circles. My main man is a bucker. He was awful when I got him a year ago. You couldn't even lope 2 circles without him blowing up. A cowboy that I know took him for 30 days because he refused to let me take him (I got him from this cowboy) home unless he could work with him- he WAS that bad. He is still a bucker but only on occasion. He knows that if he bucks, rears, or spins (he will spin like a Reiner) that he will be loping circles until there is white foam falling off of his body and then he will lope more circles. When he starts to slow down that's when I start pushing him. I like doing this because its not mean but it teaches them that they can't get away with it and he gets to realize that HE is making his life harder not mine. Moving feet = working mind. I don't mind a buckeras long as they are controllable and will respond to circles. The thing to do when they are bucking is to push them and make it harder for them to buck. Forward motion= engaged hind quarters = means they can't buck.
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Location: Austin, Texas, where it can get really weird!! | My horse was a bucker i litterally had to buck him out over a month the only way i got him to stop was to yell at him and then light him up with the over under right at the beginning, he's super reliable now after a year. | |
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Location: Texas | He bucks because he can... And it works... He can get you off. It doesn't matter if you work his butt off AFTER he bucks you off... He doesn't put that together, only you do. The only way to cure it is to stay on and have the courage to get mad and pull a Tuff Cooper on him, lol. If you don't feel like you can do it, then find someone who can. Don't get bucked off again or he is going to get even worse. Good luck and be careful!
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Location: Montana | Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-10 10:21 AM I have never had a good horse that didn't buck every once in a while. BUT they weren't serious about throwing me and would either stop when I asked, or quit on their own before things got too crazy. I've heard non-bucking winners exist, but I've never had the privilege of owning one. LOL
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Location: Phoenix | Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-09 8:53 AM
ampratt - 2015-07-09 10:33 AM bennie1 - 2015-07-09 10:29 AM I don't like this kind of bucker. I can understand if they are fresh when I first get on and take a jump or two and I can pull their head up. This kind that you've ridden for a little while and they decide to really frickin do it, as in not letting you pull them around in a circle or get their head up and quit. They have too much purpose in their bucking for me. If you're really attached to him, you might send him to a cowboy who is a good hand with a horse, with a lot of miles to cover and see if that cures him. I agree with this. Send him to someone will ride and work the heck out of him. See if that changes his mind.
My experience with a sneaky bucker that wanted me off: bucked me off twice after ownng him about 6 weeks. Like yours, once he started, he kept ramping it up until I was off. Sent to a trainer who rode him hard for a couple of weeks and horse was an angel. Went to pick him up, he bucked trainer off twice in less than 5 minutes and that dude was pretty handy. I traded him back to the breeder who had sold him to me as a gentle, super broke ranch horse.
I have one now that tried to buck me off last winter after a spook and run, but I got her head up or she raised it up after I started yelling curse words at her (I've had her since she was a yearling, she knows what that means. LOL). She went to horsey boot camp after that, saddled and tied in the morning, ridden in the afternoon, round penned, ground driven, or ponied before I stepped on. She hasn't offered to do it since, but if she does, she will be going to get cowboyed. Unlike yours, mine is kinda spooky, especially when she's in season, but she's coming back to me better now instead of panicking.
This is what I would do: Boot Camp. Get him in the morning, lunge him, saddle him, leave him tied all day, lunge again and then ride him and then leave him saddled some more so he can think about it and then be done for the day. If he's getting any sweet feed I would take him off him off of that ASAP. You might just need to watch what you do with him for a while. I know a lot of Colts that wouldn't be angels while ponying another horse either. | |
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Location: texas | chasincansMN - 2015-07-09 3:42 PM
I don't understand how right away people ask if the horse is sore and that's why he bucked the way he did. Blame it on a treeless saddle or whatever. WHAT!?! My BROKE horses do not pile me, or take off and go to broncing on me when they have a sore back or ulcers. Nor do my 4 or 5 year olds. My hsuand rides in a tree saddle, I ride in a treeless. If that's how they react then they are headed down to road and finding a new zipcode! Some people have suggested a cowboy or round penning them. I totally agree with this. My husband has taken in a few horses with buck or cinchy type issues and also started several colts this year and what gets them through these type of scenarios is sacking out, working the crap out of them, giving to pressure and pushing them through difficult situations and then releasing. We use tarps, milk jugs and flags on the end of a stick, having them drag bike tires with rope, etc. One came to use two weeks ago and had dumped the girl hard a few times. She thought maybe saddle fit issue?? He's 5. He's also very quiet and tarps and such actually didn't bother him (most we get are pretty flighty about this stuff). The first 5 days he bucked like a son of a gun and my husband did put a rope around him and his flank and would put pressure and release and just worked him hard and let him buck until it wasn't fun anymore. He would finally stop bucking, then he would get on and ride him and he would work him hard again. Getting him soft in the face and respecting his cues. He rode him in 3 different saddles by the end with no lunging and yesterday his owner got on him and rode him around too with no issues. He neede someone to push his buttons and teach him respect. In the beginning he was lazy and would lope and do things so easy at the end he had the look like I am ready to work. I am listening. Big difference.
I see so many horses being put on the pattern and running and they can't lope a collected circle, give to pressure, haven't been sacked out and then they start falling apart and it must be because he's sore or has ulcers.
Long story short. Spend every day..even if it's 15 minutes and sack the crap out of him. Tie plastic bags to your saddle, lunge him with a tarp on him, do whatever you can on the ground to put him through his paces to keep yourself safe. Then get on him and use all these same mechanisms in the round pen until he gives you every reason to believe he trusts and respects you. Good luck!! Stay safe!!! :)
great information, enjoyed reading this.....
I have a 4yo who has bucked now 3 times, very inconsistently, its a barn sour issue, never had this before, so I am at a loss on what to do....
she not trying to hurt me and its no nfr style, just a hop skip n jump and she losses me.....
so she bucked me off wed at home after we started long trotting for like 10 min my arena was too wet so I couldn't go and lounge the mess outta her, so I loaded her up yesterday morning at 0730 hauled her to local arena to ride, and she was an angel, worked good, picked up correct leads, transitioned good, flexed both ways at standstill and while walking, traveled collected while loping, etc....
I guess at home, when she starts to do the buck thing I need to just hang on and give her a butt whoopin????
she is all cow bred, playgun and doc o lena, very laid back and easy going, sluggish at times, so the buck is just a temper tantrum at home....
on another note I have rode her plenty of times at home and never had an issue....
she was fully vetted 2 weeks ago and got an overhaul (teeth floated, wolf teeth extracted, caslicks sx, hocks injected, full body chiro)
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Lol. I ended up selling the gelding in question. Sent him off for a solid month of riding. He worked cattle, tons of ranch work, trail riding, desensitizing, etc. They said he never bucked. I rode him thereafter for about two weeks without a problem. My old neighbor (worked at race tracks, training barns, shows barns and has trained a number of outside horses; she's a great hand), came to ride him and he tried to throw her. I just decided to cut my losses as I wasn't able to get comfortable on him. I may get flamed for it, but as others have said, there's too many good horses to deal with the bad ones. I sold him with full disclosure that he has and will buck and is not for a novice rider, the woman who bought him is in love. Sent him directly to her trainer and is happy as a clam. | |
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Location: texas | I was so furious Wednesday when this filly bucked me off, slaughter house was where she was headed...
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | teamthompson - 2015-10-30 11:07 AM I was so furious Wednesday when this filly bucked me off, slaughter house was where she was headed... to the OP, I agree, sometimes u do have to cut ur losses..... hope u find a great one.....
If my gelding had bucked again. I don't think hubby would have let him make it to the slaughter house. He was ready to get the 12 gauge out...
good of luck with your filly.
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Lol. I ended up selling the gelding in question. Sent him off for a solid month of riding. He worked cattle, tons of ranch work, trail riding, desensitizing, etc. They said he never bucked. I rode him thereafter for about two weeks without a problem. My old neighbor (worked at race tracks, training barns, shows barns and has trained a number of outside horses; she's a great hand), came to ride him and he tried to throw her. I just decided to cut my losses as I wasn't able to get comfortable on him. I may get flamed for it, but as others have said, there's too many good horses to deal with the bad ones. I sold him with full disclosure that he has and will buck and is not for a novice rider, the woman who bought him is in love. Sent him directly to her trainer and is happy as a clam.
I don't think there are any grounds to flame you ;). You gave this horse many chances to be a solid citizen and he made the wrong decisions. Too many out there that do want to cooperate to mess with these kind. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | bennie1 - 2015-10-30 12:11 PM
~BINGO~ - 2015-10-30 12:14 PM
Lol. I ended up selling the gelding in question. Sent him off for a solid month of riding. He worked cattle, tons of ranch work, trail riding, desensitizing, etc. They said he never bucked. I rode him thereafter for about two weeks without a problem. My old neighbor (worked at race tracks, training barns, shows barns and has trained a number of outside horses; she's a great hand), came to ride him and he tried to throw her. I just decided to cut my losses as I wasn't able to get comfortable on him. I may get flamed for it, but as others have said, there's too many good horses to deal with the bad ones. I sold him with full disclosure that he has and will buck and is not for a novice rider, the woman who bought him is in love. Sent him directly to her trainer and is happy as a clam.
I don't think there are any grounds to flame you ; ). You gave this horse many chances to be a solid citizen and he made the wrong decisions. Too many out there that do want to cooperate to mess with these kind.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
I'm not sure if I had posted it when it happened, but he had bucked in a warm up arena. I had gotten him under control, then he started rearing up, flipped over, stepped in the middle of my back on his way up and took off. Talk about dazed and confused. Lol, oh well. Sometimes we need a few sour grapes to realize of special life is... And how good a nice horse is. | |
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~BINGO~ - 2015-10-30 12:14 PM
Lol. I ended up selling the gelding in question. Sent him off for a solid month of riding. He worked cattle, tons of ranch work, trail riding, desensitizing, etc. They said he never bucked. I rode him thereafter for about two weeks without a problem. My old neighbor (worked at race tracks, training barns, shows barns and has trained a number of outside horses; she's a great hand), came to ride him and he tried to throw her. I just decided to cut my losses as I wasn't able to get comfortable on him. I may get flamed for it, but as others have said, there's too many good horses to deal with the bad ones. I sold him with full disclosure that he has and will buck and is not for a novice rider, the woman who bought him is in love. Sent him directly to her trainer and is happy as a clam.
I don't think there are any grounds to flame you ; ). You gave this horse many chances to be a solid citizen and he made the wrong decisions. Too many out there that do want to cooperate to mess with these kind.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
I'm not sure if I had posted it when it happened, but he had bucked in a warm up arena. I had gotten him under control, then he started rearing up, flipped over, stepped in the middle of my back on his way up and took off. Talk about dazed and confused. Lol, oh well. Sometimes we need a few sour grapes to realize of special life is... And how good a nice horse is.
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Location: texas | just an update on my filly....
so she bucked w me at the house on Wednesday, loaded up butt up on Thursday morning and hauled to local arena rode for 2 hrs and and was saint...
so looks like we have a barn sore attitude problem at home that needs to be addressed....
I am giving her a few more chances to redeem herself, if not then down the road she goes......
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| The unpredictable buckers are the worst!! I'd rather have one, and I have one at home, that I know is going to buck everyday as soon as I get on, then to have one that is random. Had a huge, pretty, talented, buckskin gelding that was so unpredictable, sad to see him go because he had all the talent but he just didn't have the heart to do anything. He wasted all his energy on trying to off load my butt that he wasn't worth it. You could ride him all day checking cattle and never have a problem and then on the way back to the trailer he'd break in two, or you get on and two steps out he'd start. Some weeks he'd never even have a bubble in his back... I couldn't figure out the trigger so I sent him down the road. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Sorry that you're still having problems. Unpredictability is the worst. And when they know they can unload you, they will.
I sold my gelding with full disclosure. I let the buyer know what had been going on with him, and that it wasn't worth it to me to feed him thru the winter. I also told her that I wouldn't be riding him to "show" him to her. Lost several thousands in the sale, but it was worth it. He became very stressful, and horses shouldn't be that. | |
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Location: texas | ~BINGO~ - 2015-11-02 10:09 AM
Sorry that you're still having problems. Unpredictability is the worst. And when they know they can unload you, they will.
I sold my gelding with full disclosure. I let the buyer know what had been going on with him, and that it wasn't worth it to me to feed him thru the winter. I also told her that I wouldn't be riding him to "show" him to her. Lost several thousands in the sale, but it was worth it. He became very stressful, and horses shouldn't be that.
this is my first time having this problem, sheesh what a mess.....
I have 2 young kids (6 & 8) and they have watched her throw me off, scares them to death....
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Location: Florida | I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | bigbob - 2015-11-02 9:16 AM I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it.
WOW! I'm so sorry to hear that! That is awful. So glad you are ok. It is NOT worth it. I'll keep you in my prayers for quick healing. I can't imagine. | |
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Location: texas | bigbob - 2015-11-02 11:16 AM
I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it.
oh my lanta, that's awful....
we will send prayers ur way....
I am an operating room nurse, so I know what u have been thru...
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Location: texas | update om y 4yo filly --- hauled her yesterday afternoon to a new arena, and she rode like a champ, she is a tad on the lazy side....
with all the rain haven't gotten to ride her at home (that's where the bucking happened)
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Location: texas | here is my 4yo filly....
the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...
other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....
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| teamthompson - 2015-11-04 8:19 AM
here is my 4yo filly....
the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...
other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....
Holy BEANS! What is your feeding program? WHAT a turn around!! (Although, I'd still send her down the road if she continued to pile drive me Ha)! She is beautiful! | |
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Location: texas | Griz - 2015-11-04 11:24 AM
teamthompson - 2015-11-04 8:19 AM
here is my 4yo filly....
the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...
other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....
Holy BEANS! What is your feeding program? WHAT a turn around!! (Although, I'd still send her down the road if she continued to pile drive me Ha )! She is beautiful!
thank you.....thank you, thank you......
I will probably get slammed for this BUT I feed Safe Choice Special Care she gets 2lbs 2x day, coast hay, alfalfa bales...
But I also exercise everyday, I may ride, might be groundwork, might be just walking her up n down the road by hand for an hour..... exercise is huge to me
also, my stalls are 12x16 so my horses and run around in there if they wanted, bahahahahahahaa.....
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| I have waited a while to post on this....but I think that I will. I have a little dun horse that is pretty cool...he bucked with his owner...who consigned him through a known/accomplished trainer in Oklahoma, he bucked with her...she sold him as a 2d horse that bucked for $3500 after the original owner paid $8500 for him. The lady that bought him had her neice run him at jr. rodeos....swears he never bucked with her...but for some reason he came up for sale again....and I traded a nice but slow DFP mare for him...I was never told that he was a bucker. I did my research after he made three smoking runs with me and then tried to buck me off at a barrel race in Andrews. I'll attach the link at the bottom of my post. I had just had a baby a month before...I was also in a Bob Marshall saddle that I bought to run in until I got all my core strength back...my first run back on another horse in a flat saddle was a 17.0 on a deep standard pattern....in which I held on for dear life...and realized that after that I needed a sports saddle or so I thought until I got my core strenght back. Needless to say...I had that saddle on when I ran him. He still has white spots where the saddle pinched him that day....3 years later...I assumed that was why he bucked. Sold the saddle that week. Won a custom Martin Crown C the next weekend and it fit pretty well...was a little big because I had it custom made to fit my "good" horse at the time. Every 7 8 or 9 runs my little Dun horse would buck with me in the middle of the pattern...I took him to the vet, the chiro, the massage therapist, I cut down his starch/sugar levels in his feed, I had him stand tied and saddled more, I rode him out and away from the barrels, I had him scoped.........YOU NAME IT, I DID IT. I gave him months off time off...I had him magnawaved twice a week....still...random bucking on the pattern. I was at a big barrel race in Clovis when I looked down and realized my pad...SMX Air Ride....really wasn't holding its own...it was time for a replacement and before my run on this horse I thougth I'd go buy another.....Fortunately for me...the only vendor selling any pads was the producer...and she was a vendor for CSI saddle pads. I didnt have the funds really to invest...but she held a check for me...and I bought a CSI pad before my run. HE RAN...he didnt turn...HE RAN because I got it too big and the excess was slapping his little butt all the way across the pen! SO....I went back and traded for a "show cut"...it fit perfectly. That horse DID NOT BUCK WITH ME FOR 6 MONTHS not even when he needed his stifles injected...not when he was out...NEVER AGAIN WITH THAT PAD DID HE USE SORENESS AS AN EXCUSE TO BUCK.....Fast forward to my husband at the time getting us in a bit of a financial pinch...and I sold that pad...right before BBR finals last year in which Holly was running consistent 1d times again. I ended up riding in a nice black felt pad....no dry spots, nothing. One week before finals Holly tried unloading me in the middle of the pattern...and then at home...and then a few days later again....and I SCRATCHED $550 entry fee later at the BBR finals. I didint ride him for a couple months...I was sick of him...he was for sale...as a trail horse...for $2500 because he had never ever bucked on a trail...NO ONE would look at him for $2500. He is an awesome trail horse...and bred pretty nice. Sun FrostxHollywood Dun it. He will climb it, he will chase it, he will swim through it, he will cross it, he will jump it and he will plow through it....WONDERFUL trail horse....no one would look at him. So as I was running my good horse in Levelland...after my divorce...I bought him a pad with his winnings...I started riding Holly agian with that pad and his attitude changed, and then I started cruising him through, and then I started running him and that horse has not bucked since. In fact I just gave him two months off....got on him for two days and then took him to three BIG DEEP HEAVY pens to run in. 5 saddles in three months...3 of them competition runs...I KNOW he was sore...he never offered to do anything but his best and he never bucked or even acted like he wanted to. I've never changed my saddle, my feed, my training program, anything again...and this horse wont buck. I am not saying the CSI pad was a miracle worker pad...The massage therapise says Hollys shoulder is always tight...from his wither down....I was told as a 4 year old (hes 14 now) that he got "jerked down" by a big head horse that anchored up on him when he was a colt and they were heeling on him. He must have an old injury deep down that bothers him from time to time...maybe a catch, maybe a stinger, maybe some scar tissue...SOMETHING that doesnt show up on thermal scan or xray or normal palpation....IDK...but that CSI pad saved me from having a worthless SOB that I was neverous of and no one wanted to having some people REALLY regretting not picking him up for $2500.
video of him bucking in pattern
https://www.facebook.com/courtneymae.taylor/videos/vb.100000960399944/586507521391256/?type=2&theater
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I have waited a while to post on this....but I think that I will. I have a little dun horse that is pretty cool...he bucked with his owner...who consigned him through a known/accomplished trainer in Oklahoma, he bucked with her...she sold him as a 2d horse that bucked for $3500 after the original owner paid $8500 for him. The lady that bought him had her neice run him at jr. rodeos....swears he never bucked with her...but for some reason he came up for sale again....and I traded a nice but slow DFP mare for him...I was never told that he was a bucker. I did my research after he made three smoking runs with me and then tried to buck me off at a barrel race in Andrews. I'll attach the link at the bottom of my post. I had just had a baby a month before...I was also in a Bob Marshall saddle that I bought to run in until I got all my core strength back...my first run back on another horse in a flat saddle was a 17.0 on a deep standard pattern....in which I held on for dear life...and realized that after that I needed a sports saddle or so I thought until I got my core strenght back. Needless to say...I had that saddle on when I ran him. He still has white spots where the saddle pinched him that day....3 years later...I assumed that was why he bucked. Sold the saddle that week. Won a custom Martin Crown C the next weekend and it fit pretty well...was a little big because I had it custom made to fit my "good" horse at the time. Every 7 8 or 9 runs my little Dun horse would buck with me in the middle of the pattern...I took him to the vet, the chiro, the massage therapist, I cut down his starch/sugar levels in his feed, I had him stand tied and saddled more, I rode him out and away from the barrels, I had him scoped.........YOU NAME IT, I DID IT. I gave him months off time off...I had him magnawaved twice a week....still...random bucking on the pattern. I was at a big barrel race in Clovis when I looked down and realized my pad...SMX Air Ride....really wasn't holding its own...it was time for a replacement and before my run on this horse I thougth I'd go buy another.....Fortunately for me...the only vendor selling any pads was the producer...and she was a vendor for CSI saddle pads. I didnt have the funds really to invest...but she held a check for me...and I bought a CSI pad before my run. HE RAN...he didnt turn...HE RAN because I got it too big and the excess was slapping his little butt all the way across the pen! SO....I went back and traded for a "show cut"...it fit perfectly. That horse DID NOT BUCK WITH ME FOR 6 MONTHS not even when he needed his stifles injected...not when he was out...NEVER AGAIN WITH THAT PAD DID HE USE SORENESS AS AN EXCUSE TO BUCK.....Fast forward to my husband at the time getting us in a bit of a financial pinch...and I sold that pad...right before BBR finals last year in which Holly was running consistent 1d times again. I ended up riding in a nice black felt pad....no dry spots, nothing. One week before finals Holly tried unloading me in the middle of the pattern...and then at home...and then a few days later again....and I SCRATCHED $550 entry fee later at the BBR finals. I didint ride him for a couple months...I was sick of him...he was for sale...as a trail horse...for $2500 because he had never ever bucked on a trail...NO ONE would look at him for $2500. He is an awesome trail horse...and bred pretty nice. Sun FrostxHollywood Dun it. He will climb it, he will chase it, he will swim through it, he will cross it, he will jump it and he will plow through it....WONDERFUL trail horse....no one would look at him. So as I was running my good horse in Levelland...after my divorce...I bought him a pad with his winnings...I started riding Holly agian with that pad and his attitude changed, and then I started cruising him through, and then I started running him and that horse has not bucked since. In fact I just gave him two months off....got on him for two days and then took him to three BIG DEEP HEAVY pens to run in. 5 saddles in three months...3 of them competition runs...I KNOW he was sore...he never offered to do anything but his best and he never bucked or even acted like he wanted to. I've never changed my saddle, my feed, my training program, anything again...and this horse wont buck. I am not saying the CSI pad was a miracle worker pad...The massage therapise says Hollys shoulder is always tight...from his wither down....I was told as a 4 year old (hes 14 now) that he got "jerked down" by a big head horse that anchored up on him when he was a colt and they were heeling on him. He must have an old injury deep down that bothers him from time to time...maybe a catch, maybe a stinger, maybe some scar tissue...SOMETHING that doesnt show up on thermal scan or xray or normal palpation....IDK...but that CSI pad saved me from having a worthless SOB that I was neverous of and no one wanted to having some people REALLY regretting not picking him up for $2500.
video of him bucking in pattern
https://www.facebook.com/courtneymae.taylor/videos/vb.100000960399944/586507521391256/?type=2&theater
wowzers..... now that is a story.....
I use a bmss and a 1" fleece bottom best ever pad....
truth is I guess u never really know what is wrong with them, hence they cant talk lol....
I personally think my girl is on lazy side, and my 2 little episodes were temper tantrums....
hauled her yesterday afternoon to a brand new arena for her, not a peep, rode like a champ, of course I lounged her firs wasn't long about 10 minutes or so, she was little looky and froggy but after 2 minutes into it she decided that was way too much work and settled right down, I got on her and off we went.... did everything I asked.....
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| Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.
I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too.
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Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.
I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too.
yes that's the d ring.... and yes I agree pad could be a couple inches longer but doesn't seem to bother her....
will keep an eye on it, thanks for pointing it out.....
I have tried a Saddleright Pad on my other mare she was ****ed, guess it was stiff but she came unglued...
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| teamthompson - 2015-11-04 2:41 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 2:12 PM
Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.
I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too.
yes that's the d ring.... and yes I agree pad could be a couple inches longer but doesn't seem to bother her....
will keep an eye on it, thanks for pointing it out.....
I have tried a Saddleright Pad on my other mare she was ****ed, guess it was stiff but she came unglued...
sold it quickly.....
the CSI pads are an initially expensive investment and then they definitely are easy to maintain. I would do some research on them....you have tried everything else it sounds like, she is a pretty mare, maybe her "attitude" isnt really an attitude towards work but towards comfort...and maybe not as obvious as we would like to think. Worse comes to worse the pad doesnt make a difference and you sell it back. my lady sells them, and buys them back for 25$ less...thats how well they hold their value. I can pm you her name if you would like. She will have it to you within the week i bet and then you can try it for a while. You wont have a problem selling it at all if you dont like it....i mean worse thing happens is that you sell your mare for 1/4 of what she might be worth like i was going to and it was something that could have been a much simpler fix. | |
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Location: texas | I bringing this thread back up for an update on my bucking situation
So i have the 4yo filly, needless to say Dr Tbone at Brazos Valley Equine in Navasota got us all fixed up...
We went on 12-9-15, Tbone says to me only thing i find wrong w ur mare is her poll, especially on the left, needless to say Frankie was getting really ****y w them even under sedation while they were trying to work on her, Tbone says " u need to leave her and let us do an acupuncture treatment on her poll/upper neck and work on that scar tissue mass"
We are headed to our first jackpot race, the bucking has completely stopped, she is riding better and better every day, she is calm and confident....
Just had to share, have a great day....... | |
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