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Location: Texas | First the horrible ground for the barrel racers then I saw Tuf Cooper(I think( got DQ'd yesterday, and today Callie DuPerier getting DQ'd.. Unbelievable.. Does anyone know exactly why they DQ'd Callie? She had a pretty good run, her time was gonna get $3500 today, so that's a big loss. I heard it was because she circled before running to the first.. |
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| Keeping forward motion is a rule at a lot of rodeos and big races. On the results page they have her as winning third,I wonder if they contested the call and it was overturned. She is also listed as second in money earned pool B . Tuf Cooper is no where to be found in todays results.
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Location: Texas | I read the calgary rules and read about "honest effort" but didn't see anything specific about circling or forward motion. reading WPRA rules now.
Yeah WPRA rules say you can't circle pivot or spin when setting up in an arena but it just says you can be fined, doesn't say you will be DQed.
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Location: lexington KY | Article on Tuf: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/tie-down-roper-disqualified-from-calgary-stampede-over-mistreatment-of-horse-1.2462320
Can someone make it a live link, I am on my iPad. Thanks!
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Super curious to know what Tuf did?? Someone fill me in!!
people on FB say he over and undered his horse six times and was sent home. I have no idea if it is true. |
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Yes, I saw the video, horse was not firing and he over and undered it with his rope several times. |
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Location: South Central Florida | A lot of rodeo's have the "forward motion" rule. I am really suprised any one would do that at a rodeo anywhere...especially one this big.
She is listed in the money for the day but I guess we won't know until maybe tomorrow if that's accurate.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | casualdust07 - 2015-07-09 6:34 PM I read the calgary rules and read about "honest effort" but didn't see anything specific about circling or forward motion. reading WPRA rules now. Yeah WPRA rules say you can't circle pivot or spin when setting up in an arena but it just says you can be fined, doesn't say you will be DQed.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-07-09 6:57 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-07-09 6:34 PM I read the calgary rules and read about "honest effort" but didn't see anything specific about circling or forward motion. reading WPRA rules now. Yeah WPRA rules say you can't circle pivot or spin when setting up in an arena but it just says you can be fined, doesn't say you will be DQed.
Calgary has their own set of rules that trumps PRCA and WPRA.
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-07-09 6:57 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-07-09 6:34 PM I read the calgary rules and read about "honest effort" but didn't see anything specific about circling or forward motion. reading WPRA rules now. Yeah WPRA rules say you can't circle pivot or spin when setting up in an arena but it just says you can be fined, doesn't say you will be DQed.
Calgary has their own set of rules that trumps PRCA and WPRA.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | GLP - 2015-07-09 7:00 PM Nevertooold - 2015-07-09 6:57 PM casualdust07 - 2015-07-09 6:34 PM I read the calgary rules and read about "honest effort" but didn't see anything specific about circling or forward motion. reading WPRA rules now. Yeah WPRA rules say you can't circle pivot or spin when setting up in an arena but it just says you can be fined, doesn't say you will be DQed. Calgary has their own set of rules that trumps PRCA and WPRA. Is it because they are a Canadian rodeo?
I did check and it is WPRA approved and counts for the NFR.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-09 7:27 PM Where are y'all watching this?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | polorunner - 2015-07-09 6:41 PM Article on Tuf: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/tie-down-roper-disqualified-from-calgary-stampede-over-mistreatment-of-horse-1.2462320
Can someone make it a live link, I am on my iPad. Thanks!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2015-07-09 6:44 PM achildres - 2015-07-09 6:38 PM Super curious to know what Tuf did?? Someone fill me in!! people on FB say he over and undered his horse six times and was sent home. I have no idea if it is true.
http://youtu.be/jzzjnyupwds
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Location: Benton City, WA | Watched the video...Ok... so now are barrels racers going to get DQ'd for over & undering their horses? Or are the rules different for barrel racing?  |
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| barrel_racing_angel - 2015-07-09 7:07 PM Watched the video...Ok... so now are barrels racers going to get DQ'd for over & undering their horses? Or are the rules different for barrel racing?
That's what I said! But a barrel racer whipping her horse is excpected, a calf roper doing it is bad press. Animal rights activists probably would have gone crazy if Calgary didn't do anything |
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Location: Florida.. | I heard 2 chuckwagons horses have been euthunized as wellfor legs broke due to driver error. Tuf left.. he didnt deny or contest.. |
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Location: The South | What the heck? That didn't look bad at all...unless he did something else that isn't shown on the video, I don't think he should've been disqualified. |
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Location: The Great Midwest | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-09 8:48 PM
I heard 2 chuckwagons horses have been euthunized as wellfor legs broke due to driver error. Tuf left.. he didnt deny or contest..
Tuf probably wanted to get the heck outta there.... I mean if your gonna do something maybe fine, but not kicked out of the whole competition! |
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Location: Phoenix | I thought it looked at tad excessive but his horse wasn't running in there. But I agree what you're saying about barrel racers. If he had whipped his horse walking back to the gate That would have been poor sportsmanship, but he didn't. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | hammer_time - 2015-07-09 9:49 PM
I thought it looked at tad excessive but his horse wasn't running in there. But I agree what you're saying about barrel racers. If he had whipped his horse walking back to the gate That would have been poor sportsmanship, but he didn't.
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Location: North Dakota | I definitely wouldn't call that abusive or any more excessive than I see MANY barrel racers do. Oh well, he'll be back at another rodeo. |
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Location: CA | Don't know him personally. I'm sure he's a really great guy and all, but it looks like he just plain ol' got outrun and had a little tantrum about it. |
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Location: SE Missouri | barrel_racing_angel - 2015-07-10 12:15 AM
hammer_time - 2015-07-09 9:49 PM
I thought it looked at tad excessive but his horse wasn't running in there. But I agree what you're saying about barrel racers. If he had whipped his horse walking back to the gate That would have been poor sportsmanship, but he didn't.
this exactly...
Totally agree. Barrel racers do it all the time.
His horse shorted him, he was out of the money why not open your horse up and try to get him tied down so it doesn't happen at the next one..
BAD CALL IMO.
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Location: Kansas | readytorodeo - 2015-07-10 2:07 AM I watched the video. He got after the horse with his rope. I don't think it's abuse. Looked like no more than what we do with a over and under. On the other hand two horses were euthanized because of injuries during the chuck wagon races. Now that is abuse!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | The deal with Tuff is you could tell he was ****ed and doing it in excess and at the wrong rodeo. I've seen guys over and under their horses with their ropes but its 2 cracks and they rope, not 6 times. |
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Location: The edge of no where | If we want rodeo to be around for a long time, then contestants have to understand that cameras are always rolling....always! I've watched the video, and firmly believe the judges made the right call. This wasn't a PRCA rodeo, but I think you can expect to see the WPRA and PRCA get stricter over the next few years. That wasn't a hustle up to a calf, that was a temper fit. Imagine you've never been to a rodeo.....that was really ugly to watch. We all want rodeo to become more mainstream and to pay better, so that's going to mean more sponsor $$$ and ticket sales. No one wants to see that... 2 pops would've done the job. Tuf is a smart guy, he'll bounce back from this and I'm sure we'll see him winning lots of big $$$ soon. At the end of the day, a big invitational rodeo that isn't PRCA has it's own rules. Contestants are aware of them before they run, you can either choose to play by their rules, or let someone else have your spot that wants to compete for the huge purses they offer.
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Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome!
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Location: Midwest | bennie1 - 2015-07-10 8:23 AM DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome! Um, what?
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Location: Kansas | DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome!
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ETA: I didn't really think there was a threesome recorded at the stampede or anything. I didn't know what the DL was. Lol
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Location: NE Texas | DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome!
I saw that on instagram and am dying to know who the "bull riders" were. In the words of the great poet Ron Burgundy, "Stay classy, CS!". LOL |
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Location: Midwest | MC1993 - 2015-07-10 8:32 AM lol... no there was an actual threesome...caught on tape...at the stampede
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Location: Kansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-10 8:57 AM Herbie - 2015-07-10 8:31 AM DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome! I saw that on instagram and am dying to know who the "bull riders" were. In the words of the great poet Ron Burgundy, "Stay classy, CS!". LOL
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| SKM - 2015-07-10 6:07 AM One last thought...one article said it was for what happened AFTER he got done roping. No one has that part on video. It could have very well been a combination of things and not just the over n undering in his run.
Yes some articles say it happened after the roping, some say during. CTV Calgary said on TV this morning that it was because of what happened during the run. So there's confusion about that. It was definitely a mistake on his part, although I can understand that he was ticked at his horse, he should have saved it for a different time, not for a highly scrutinized rodeo like the Stampede, it's comparable to spanking your kid, that's something that sometimes needs to be done but nowadays you just don't do that in a very public place. Just my 2 cents, I really don't care too much. I will still support Tuf, he's one of my favorite athletes and I'm sure his family won't lose respect because of this, not from anyone who knows anything about rodeo anyways! |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-07-10 7:46 AM Come on people. Think about it. Many groups are wanting tie down to go the way of steer tripping. Tie down ropers are under a microscope. He was stupid. A quick WHACK WHACK probably would have been fine. It was the WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK that got him in trouble. If a horses running stride is 22-24' and he hit that horse for 3-5 strides, that's roughly 66' to 110'. That's almost the length of some pens if you include the length of the score. No tie down roper can whip that far and get a loop on one. Again, what he did was excessive. As for the comparison to barrel racers whipping...I doubt many woman barrel racers have his strength. Nor do the use what amounts to a doubled over, thicker and heavier rope. But if they are whipping to the extent he was, have his strength and with the same type of material...then maybe they shouldn't be allowed to whip either. I have NEVER seen a barrel racer whip a horse as hard and fast as he did. Whip one, yes. But not like he did. I agree . he was wound to tight to begin with imo..pressure got to him and hes professional enough to know better.I dont think anyone will think to harsh on him.. we all have been there in his shoes with pressure.. and I dont think he will lose respect.. but I would think he will think it over.Horse cheated him no doubt.. but there are some things you just need to keep under control.. in circumstances and this was one of those times..once or twice maybe he would have gotten away with but not constant. .
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Location: CTX | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-07-10 9:01 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-07-10 8:57 AM Herbie - 2015-07-10 8:31 AM DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome! I saw that on instagram and am dying to know who the "bull riders" were. In the words of the great poet Ron Burgundy, "Stay classy, CS!". LOL
more like a hohoho...... 
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Location: Alberta | I am a committee member for one of the other livestock events at the Stampede and they are REALLY enforcing rules and standards around all aspects of animal safety on park not just rodeo and chuck wagons.
The have implemented a new animal safety and welfare program that is top notch and you better believe there are always "people" watching whether at the shows/competitions, in the barns, at the exhibits and demonstrations and right down to informal inspections as animals are being unloaded on park. They want to ensure that if there is any cause for concern regarding an animals health or well being that it is addressed properly, efficiently and by professionals.
There are over 1.1million people who pass through those gates every year not to mention the thousands if not millions that are watching on tv and livestream. If you want to participate with your animals at "the greatest outdoor show on earth" you better be held to a certain standard and put all these sports best face forward to the general public. When an incident happens within one of the livestock competitions at the Stampede and it makes headlines across the world its certainly felt by all other groups participating at the Stampede and we all feel the pressure to be on our A game at all times. But if we want agriculture and livestock to continue to be seen and appreciated in a day and age where most view us as a bunch of redneck hillbillies that need to get with the times then large scale events such as the Stampede need to crack down on every little incident that happens and unfortunately sometimes they need to make examples of people!
I think instead of criticizing the Stampede for the decision they made to DQ Tuff we as fellow rodeo competitors, livestock exhibitors or animal enthusiasts need to applaud them for the millions of dollars they spend every year trying their ****edest to prove to the world that agriculture and livestock still have a real purpose and they stand behind our heritage and traditions no matter who disapproves with what we do!!
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Location: The edge of no where | CEFERG - 2015-07-10 9:57 AM I am a committee member for one of the other livestock events at the Stampede and they are REALLY enforcing rules and standards around all aspects of animal safety on park not just rodeo and chuck wagons. The have implemented a new animal safety and welfare program that is top notch and you better believe there are always "people" watching whether at the shows/competitions, in the barns, at the exhibits and demonstrations and right down to informal inspections as animals are being unloaded on park. They want to ensure that if there is any cause for concern regarding an animals health or well being that it is addressed properly, efficiently and by professionals. There are over 1.1million people who pass through those gates every year not to mention the thousands if not millions that are watching on tv and livestream. If you want to participate with your animals at "the greatest outdoor show on earth" you better be held to a certain standard and put all these sports best face forward to the general public. When an incident happens within one of the livestock competitions at the Stampede and it makes headlines across the world its certainly felt by all other groups participating at the Stampede and we all feel the pressure to be on our A game at all times. But if we want agriculture and livestock to continue to be seen and appreciated in a day and age where most view us as a bunch of redneck hillbillies that need to get with the times then large scale events such as the Stampede need to crack down on every little incident that happens and unfortunately sometimes they need to make examples of people! I think instead of criticizing the Stampede for the decision they made to DQ Tuff we as fellow rodeo competitors, livestock exhibitors or animal enthusiasts need to applaud them for the millions of dollars they spend every year trying their ****edest to prove to the world that agriculture and livestock still have a real purpose and they stand behind our heritage and traditions no matter who disapproves with what we do!!
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Location: CTX | GLP - 2015-07-10 9:39 AM I find the pictures of girls kicking their horses so hard that are almost doing the splits much more disturbing than what Tuff did. How do we know that horse hasn't been scotching on him in previous runs? He could take him to the practice pen but he may not have had time with the July 4th runs just over. I see both sides and understand what is at stake for the càlf ropers, though. They are under more pressure from outsiders and even from insiders.
Those pics make me crinch too... What about the ones where there is over a foot of air inbetween a butt and the saddle??? Imagine the landing.... although that is not always voluntary.... some horses can really launch a person....
Now, was it really neccesary for him to whack the horse 6-7 times? I don't know....
Maybe it was frustration, in that case I really don't mind him being DQ'ed. This was not his first rodeo, and by now he should know taking your frustration out on a horse will never help the situation....
Maybe the horse really needed it..... anyway, until he speaks out about it we will never know for sure. He is a proffesional, and has to act like it, camera's and spectators around or not.....
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Location: Lala Land | CEFERG - 2015-07-10 9:57 AM
I am a committee member for one of the other livestock events at the Stampede and they are REALLY enforcing rules and standards around all aspects of animal safety on park not just rodeo and chuck wagons.
The have implemented a new animal safety and welfare program that is top notch and you better believe there are always "people" watching whether at the shows/competitions, in the barns, at the exhibits and demonstrations and right down to informal inspections as animals are being unloaded on park. They want to ensure that if there is any cause for concern regarding an animals health or well being that it is addressed properly, efficiently and by professionals.
There are over 1.1million people who pass through those gates every year not to mention the thousands if not millions that are watching on tv and livestream. If you want to participate with your animals at "the greatest outdoor show on earth" you better be held to a certain standard and put all these sports best face forward to the general public. When an incident happens within one of the livestock competitions at the Stampede and it makes headlines across the world its certainly felt by all other groups participating at the Stampede and we all feel the pressure to be on our A game at all times. But if we want agriculture and livestock to continue to be seen and appreciated in a day and age where most view us as a bunch of redneck hillbillies that need to get with the times then large scale events such as the Stampede need to crack down on every little incident that happens and unfortunately sometimes they need to make examples of people!
I think instead of criticizing the Stampede for the decision they made to DQ Tuff we as fellow rodeo competitors, livestock exhibitors or animal enthusiasts need to applaud them for the millions of dollars they spend every year trying their ****edest to prove to the world that agriculture and livestock still have a real purpose and they stand behind our heritage and traditions no matter who disapproves with what we do!!
Thanks for the response! I honestly think that enforcing your rules is not wrong, but if they make an example of one person and do not follow through with others.. that would make it wrong. I don't think that's what is being done, just an example. Funny how people aren't up in arms about Callie being DQ'd as well. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Lovin Life - 2015-07-10 10:06 AM CEFERG - 2015-07-10 9:57 AM I am a committee member for one of the other livestock events at the Stampede and they are REALLY enforcing rules and standards around all aspects of animal safety on park not just rodeo and chuck wagons. The have implemented a new animal safety and welfare program that is top notch and you better believe there are always "people" watching whether at the shows/competitions, in the barns, at the exhibits and demonstrations and right down to informal inspections as animals are being unloaded on park. They want to ensure that if there is any cause for concern regarding an animals health or well being that it is addressed properly, efficiently and by professionals. There are over 1.1million people who pass through those gates every year not to mention the thousands if not millions that are watching on tv and livestream. If you want to participate with your animals at "the greatest outdoor show on earth" you better be held to a certain standard and put all these sports best face forward to the general public. When an incident happens within one of the livestock competitions at the Stampede and it makes headlines across the world its certainly felt by all other groups participating at the Stampede and we all feel the pressure to be on our A game at all times. But if we want agriculture and livestock to continue to be seen and appreciated in a day and age where most view us as a bunch of redneck hillbillies that need to get with the times then large scale events such as the Stampede need to crack down on every little incident that happens and unfortunately sometimes they need to make examples of people! I think instead of criticizing the Stampede for the decision they made to DQ Tuff we as fellow rodeo competitors, livestock exhibitors or animal enthusiasts need to applaud them for the millions of dollars they spend every year trying their ****edest to prove to the world that agriculture and livestock still have a real purpose and they stand behind our heritage and traditions no matter who disapproves with what we do!! Thanks for the response! I honestly think that enforcing your rules is not wrong, but if they make an example of one person and do not follow through with others.. that would make it wrong. I don't think that's what is being done, just an example. Funny how people aren't up in arms about Callie being DQ'd as well.
Because she appealed the call and won..... Check the results. |
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Location: Florida.. | CEFERG - 2015-07-10 10:57 AM I am a committee member for one of the other livestock events at the Stampede and they are REALLY enforcing rules and standards around all aspects of animal safety on park not just rodeo and chuck wagons. The have implemented a new animal safety and welfare program that is top notch and you better believe there are always "people" watching whether at the shows/competitions, in the barns, at the exhibits and demonstrations and right down to informal inspections as animals are being unloaded on park. They want to ensure that if there is any cause for concern regarding an animals health or well being that it is addressed properly, efficiently and by professionals. There are over 1.1million people who pass through those gates every year not to mention the thousands if not millions that are watching on tv and livestream. If you want to participate with your animals at "the greatest outdoor show on earth" you better be held to a certain standard and put all these sports best face forward to the general public. When an incident happens within one of the livestock competitions at the Stampede and it makes headlines across the world its certainly felt by all other groups participating at the Stampede and we all feel the pressure to be on our A game at all times. But if we want agriculture and livestock to continue to be seen and appreciated in a day and age where most view us as a bunch of redneck hillbillies that need to get with the times then large scale events such as the Stampede need to crack down on every little incident that happens and unfortunately sometimes they need to make examples of people! I think instead of criticizing the Stampede for the decision they made to DQ Tuff we as fellow rodeo competitors, livestock exhibitors or animal enthusiasts need to applaud them for the millions of dollars they spend every year trying their ****edest to prove to the world that agriculture and livestock still have a real purpose and they stand behind our heritage and traditions no matter who disapproves with what we do!!
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | blccwgl55 - 2015-07-10 9:26 AM I think they're saying that the video of him doing this wasn't a big deal compared to the videos of porn out there that's "acceptable". Lol. I think that's what they meant?? Idk. Haha ETA: I didn't really think there was a threesome recorded at the stampede or anything. I didn't know what the DL was. Lol Oh - but there was a threesome in broad open daylight recorded by someone at calgary - google calgary stampede threesome if you care to see it. 
WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK - AND PLEASE NOT WHILE YOUNG EYES ARE AROUND TO SEE THE SCREEN.
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-10 11:51 AM I don't recommend watching that video unless you have an eye wash handy for after.
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Location: Midwest | TrailGirl - 2015-07-10 11:06 AM So I'm guessing its NSFW? Yikes. I'll stick with watching the traditional rodeo events!
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| I will probably get flamed for this but I agreed with this decision. He was out of line hitting hit horse with that much force that many times. Yes his horse may have set up on him but he did get out very late on a fast calf. And girls do over and under their barrel horses but not with that much force and besides the fact he is a man. Ithink that Tuf has been up and down the rodeo trail enough to know that you don't do that at a rodeo in the pen on a huge stage such as Calgary. People then complain that they do it cause PETA is there and yes they are there but they can get this event shut down and would we rather have that or stricter rulers? |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | hammer_time - 2015-07-09 9:49 PM
I thought it looked at tad excessive but his horse wasn't running in there. But I agree what you're saying about barrel racers. If he had whipped his horse walking back to the gate That would have been poor sportsmanship, but he didn't.
I thought it looked excessive because his facial expression looked angry. And I'm a Tuf Cooper fan and I know its frustrating when your horse isn't working in that pressure-moment when they NEED to be working. I don't think it was something he needed to be DQed over but Calgary has a LOT of animal activist problems so maybe thats why. I DO think it warranted being fined or warned because it was excessive.
As for comparing it to barrel racing, I've seen plenty of barrel racers that I thought SHOULD be DQed for excessively whipping their horses or slamming them into the ground and yanking them backwards at the end of a run because they were mad. Or whipping the entire way through a run. If you have to "hustle" your horse so much that it needs "encouragement" every other stride maybe it needs a different job.
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2015-07-10 12:45 PM
hammer_time - 2015-07-09 9:49 PM
I thought it looked at tad excessive but his horse wasn't running in there. But I agree what you're saying about barrel racers. If he had whipped his horse walking back to the gate That would have been poor sportsmanship, but he didn't.
I thought it looked excessive because his facial expression looked angry. And I'm a Tuf Cooper fan and I know its frustrating when your horse isn't working in that pressure-moment when they NEED to be working. I don't think it was something he needed to be DQed over but Calgary has a LOT of animal activist problems so maybe thats why. I DO think it warranted being fined or warned because it was excessive.
As for comparing it to barrel racing, I've seen plenty of barrel racers that I thought SHOULD be DQed for excessively whipping their horses or slamming them into the ground and yanking them backwards at the end of a run because they were mad. Or whipping the entire way through a run. If you have to "hustle" your horse so much that it needs "encouragement" every other stride maybe it needs a different job.
I agree... I have seen it much worse in barrel racers.
I think his expression is also being misread a bit. Google his runs, you will see he makes that teeth grit, determined look every run. Honestly too, i doubt he hit the horse all that hard... and I only say that as the ropes arent really meant for over and undering. Maybe with how soft their ropes are it was easier to use in that manner but theres a lot of assumptions bein said right now without being there... seeing any damage. If he hit his horse hard that many times, its typically going to have welts. And maybe it did, none of us know... I see girls over under all the way to second, around second, all the way to third and all the way home. I've never even thought count them.
I am NOT saying it was a good idea and that it was the right place.. but I also dont agree that these animal activists should be bullying us. JMO |
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| Well I'm not a big rodeo person. When we go i cringe at the way the calfs get handled. I'd die if someone handled ours that way in my sight! LOL Yea they go to market but while their at our house they are largely pets and treated as such...they might even get a horse treat or five.
Did he hurt the horse? No. But he excessively whipped with force on one of rodeo's biggest stages during a sport that most people want to see phased out anyway. I just wonder if Calgary has warned the contestants that things will be more strict this year?
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| I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Two horses died in the chuck wagon races, no Dq there. Just fines. I think he should have been fined and not a dq. As far as how many times to urge their horse forward? I don't know, I don't rope. However, I do agree with the jerk down rule for the calves. Which I believe is a dq. |
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Location: CTX | This was just posted on the ERA facebook page:
 An open letter from the owners of Tuf Cooper's amazing calf horse, Topaz. ?#ERAAthletes?  Please consider this an open letter to anyone who may have any concern about how Tuf Cooper treats animals. First, let me say that I consider myself an expert o...n how Tuf Cooper treats his horses and it is from that perspective I speak about the “judgement” of the Canadian officials in Calgary that Tuf somehow abused a horse during a roping event at their rodeo. Sheila and I own Topaz, Tuf’s main rope horse. We have owned her since she was a two year old. From the day we acquired her, we knew she was something very special and that she deserved the best care and training available. We have spared no time and no expense to make sure she has been well cared for. For the past six years, she has been in training and under the daily care of James Barton of Blufdale, Texas. James and his wife, Emily, have trained and cared for some fifty of our performance horses over the past ten years and we know, first hand, they share our desire that our horses be treated especially well. It stands to reason, then, that Topaz would be at the Bartons where she has been for the past six years and during which time, James has shown Topaz in AQHA events around the US.
Sheila and I, individually and under our business, Circle Star Ranch, are current members of the AQHA, NCHA, NRCHA, and Texas Cattle Raisers Assn. We have raised and shown horses for the past twenty years. We have a world-wide reputation for world class Western performance horses. Our horses have won several world titles and we have have sold horses to buyers here in the US as well as New Zealand, Canada, Panama, Brazil, Columbia, and Argentina.
Because we have been very concerned with how our horses are treated by their trainers and exhibitors, in the past twenty years, we have allowed only three people to train, ride, and exhibit them - And one of those three is Tuf Cooper.
We have been extremely close to Topaz, her travels with Tuf, and his showing her showing in pro rodeo events. At no time have we ever seen any evidence of any mis- or mal-treatment of Topaz - and neither has her vet, Sonny Seale, who performs periodic physical examinations of her. James has traveled with Tuf and Topaz; Sheila and I have been “behind the scenes" at many events where Tuf rode Topaz. And after Tuf shows Topaz, he returns her to the Barton’s in Blufdale. We would know by her physical, mental, and emotional condition if Tuf was not a good steward of our prize, Topaz.
James, I have known Tuf, since you introduced us three years ago. Never have I met anyone, much less a 20 something, especially one with his successes, who is as God-loving, humble,respectful, grateful, well-grounded and caring as Tuf; he has a very tender heart and love for all things, especially animals. Indeed, Tuf is a living role model, in the truest sense of the concept, to any young person, male or female. Tuf truly is an amazing young man and, at 70 years old, I am proud, very proud, to consider him a friend and he can ride, show, and keep any of our horses, anytime!
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| astreakinchic - 2015-07-10 1:24 PM
Well I'm not a big rodeo person. When we go i cringe at the way the calfs get handled. I'd die if someone handled ours that way in my sight! LOL Yea they go to market but while their at our house they are largely pets and treated as such...they might even get a horse treat or five.
Did he hurt the horse? No. But he excessively whipped with force on one of rodeo's biggest stages during a sport that most people want to see phased out anyway. I just wonder if Calgary has warned the contestants that things will be more strict this year?
Everyone should watch their Ps and Qs when they out on the big stage. You do your whipping out behind the wood shed.
Taking your horse out to the shed to whip it means he's getting whipped for something he has already forgotten about. Doesn't work. If I did that my daddy would have whipped me. I was always taught you discipline immediately or they don't understand when you do it later. Waiting until you think no one is watching to get after your horse is abuse to me. |
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Location: Midwest | pinx05 - 2015-07-10 2:09 PM If you have to do it behind the wood shed, you probably shouldn't do it.
I think she meant correct or tune one in a practice pen... Not during a rodeo perf
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| rockette - 2015-07-10 1:35 PM
Two horses died in the chuck wagon races, no Dq there. Just fines. I think he should have been fined and not a dq. As far as how many times to urge their horse forward? I don't know, I don't rope. However, I do agree with the jerk down rule for the calves. Which I believe is a dq.
The chuckwagons have their own rules, and there is a vet who is supposed to check each horse the day of the race (this was my understanding)
As for the horses breaking a leg on the track, I did read they were doing an internal investigation, and I hope they look at the vet to ensure he/she is doing their job and if they have the credentials.
I know for a fact some vets cannot read X-rays, I had one with a spiral fracture that a local vet cleared for me to ride, I sent the X-rays to my regular vet who identified a problem.
Also xray machines are not created equal
Also some fractures take a week to two after injury to show up on an xray
So I do understand how these horses could go undetected, I had two horses with cannon bone fractures, both were sound, with minimal swelling. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cranky B4 10am - 2015-07-10 1:55 PM This was just posted on the ERA facebook page:
An open letter from the owners of Tuf Cooper's amazing calf horse, Topaz. ?#ERAAthletes?
Please consider this an open letter to anyone who may have any concern about how Tuf Cooper treats animals.
First, let me say that I consider myself an expert o...n how Tuf Cooper treats his horses and it is from that perspective I speak about the “judgement” of the Canadian officials in Calgary that Tuf somehow abused a horse during a roping event at their rodeo.
Sheila and I own Topaz, Tuf’s main rope horse. We have owned her since she was a two year old. From the day we acquired her, we knew she was something very special and that she deserved the best care and training available. We have spared no time and no expense to make sure she has been well cared for. For the past six years, she has been in training and under the daily care of James Barton of Blufdale, Texas. James and his wife, Emily, have trained and cared for some fifty of our performance horses over the past ten years and we know, first hand, they share our desire that our horses be treated especially well. It stands to reason, then, that Topaz would be at the Bartons where she has been for the past six years and during which time, James has shown Topaz in AQHA events around the US.
Sheila and I, individually and under our business, Circle Star Ranch, are current members of the AQHA, NCHA, NRCHA, and Texas Cattle Raisers Assn. We have raised and shown horses for the past twenty years. We have a world-wide reputation for world class Western performance horses. Our horses have won several world titles and we have have sold horses to buyers here in the US as well as New Zealand, Canada, Panama, Brazil, Columbia, and Argentina.
Because we have been very concerned with how our horses are treated by their trainers and exhibitors, in the past twenty years, we have allowed only three people to train, ride, and exhibit them - And one of those three is Tuf Cooper.
We have been extremely close to Topaz, her travels with Tuf, and his showing her showing in pro rodeo events. At no time have we ever seen any evidence of any mis- or mal-treatment of Topaz - and neither has her vet, Sonny Seale, who performs periodic physical examinations of her. James has traveled with Tuf and Topaz; Sheila and I have been “behind the scenes" at many events where Tuf rode Topaz. And after Tuf shows Topaz, he returns her to the Barton’s in Blufdale. We would know by her physical, mental, and emotional condition if Tuf was not a good steward of our prize, Topaz.
James, I have known Tuf, since you introduced us three years ago. Never have I met anyone, much less a 20 something, especially one with his successes, who is as God-loving, humble,respectful, grateful, well-grounded and caring as Tuf; he has a very tender heart and love for all things, especially animals. Indeed, Tuf is a living role model, in the truest sense of the concept, to any young person, male or female. Tuf truly is an amazing young man and, at 70 years old, I am proud, very proud, to consider him a friend and he can ride, show, and keep any of our horses, anytime!
Cecil Rhodes
Circle Star Ranch
That's a very nice letter and I am certain that none of us think, Tuf is a "bad" person......But he happens to be a person who used BAD JUDGEMENT in the rodeo pen. One or two whack is urging....three or four is correction.....five and SIX are being PO'd and got him DQ'd......Rules are rules and are at the Judge's discretion......You don't see HIM whining about it do you....so maybe you all should quit whining and kabitzing and move on..... |
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Location: Texas | I just think of it as.. its an invitational rodeo with a huge payout. they have their own rules, you play by them. Stinks Tuff got DQed but, it's a privilege to make it to Calgary and lots of people would love for the chance to run for $100,000.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | rockette - 2015-07-10 11:35 AM Two horses died in the chuck wagon races, no Dq there. Just fines. I think he should have been fined and not a dq. As far as how many times to urge their horse forward? I don't know, I don't rope. However, I do agree with the jerk down rule for the calves. Which I believe is a dq.
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| stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far.
It is a rule excessive use of force, which is subjective, but all the judges, and committee members agreed he used excessive force.
As I said this ruling has nothing to do with barrel racing, as each has their own set of rules.
Calgary stampede, all events except barrels
Wpra only barrels
Edited to add the rules are in place and enforced so animals are not injured, it should never get to the point where horses are injured due to excessive whipping to be disqualified.
To me if you are excessively whipping your horse to the point of injury, you shouldn't own animals
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 2:47 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far.
It is a rule excessive use of force, which is subjective, but all the judges, and committee members agreed he used excessive force.
As I said this ruling has nothing to do with barrel racing, as each has their own set of rules.
Calgary stampede, all events except barrels
Wpra only barrels
Edited to add the rules are in place and enforced so animals are not injured, it should never get to the point where horses are injured due to excessive whipping to be disqualified.
To me if you are excessively whipping your horse to the point of injury, you shouldn't own animals
I am not disagreeing with you... it shouldnt ever come to that point but theres a lot of things it shouldnt come to.
My point is that if they are truly looking out for the welfare of their animals, it shouldnt be governed for only certain events. If you dont want excessive whipping, that should be in ALL events. Thats my opinion and why i disagree with the situation.
I get whats done is done, Tuf has handled it graciously... the Topaz letter is just showing support for how he DOES treat his animals as his name is being dragged through the mud.
I thought they own Rio (I believe thats who he was on???) ... so it wouldnt really be very impactful if his Dad wrote a letter in his defense.
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Location: Kansas and loving it | bccanchaser16 - 2015-07-10 2:40 PM
rockette - 2015-07-10 11:35 AM Two horses died in the chuck wagon races, no Dq there. Just fines. I think he should have been fined and not a dq. As far as how many times to urge their horse forward? I don't know, I don't rope. However, I do agree with the jerk down rule for the calves. Which I believe is a dq.
There's some mega fines in the chucks for drivers who cause a wreck or it leads to the death of a horse.
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Location: Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-10 3:36 PM So the girl from the parking lot incident has posted a YouTube video stating her lack of regret. She also has a fb page you can "like". please tell me how to look this up lol. (Not the actual video, the YOLO video lol)
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She shows a picture, and she swears. No nudity. YouTube deletes nudity.
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Ok see... that isn't what I was expecting. My guess is... this girl was extremely intoxicated at Calgary and still is from the looks of it. |
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| stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:54 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 2:47 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far.
It is a rule excessive use of force, which is subjective, but all the judges, and committee members agreed he used excessive force.
As I said this ruling has nothing to do with barrel racing, as each has their own set of rules.
Calgary stampede, all events except barrels
Wpra only barrels
Edited to add the rules are in place and enforced so animals are not injured, it should never get to the point where horses are injured due to excessive whipping to be disqualified.
To me if you are excessively whipping your horse to the point of injury, you shouldn't own animals
I am not disagreeing with you... it shouldnt ever come to that point but theres a lot of things it shouldnt come to.
My point is that if they are truly looking out for the welfare of their animals, it shouldnt be governed for only certain events. If you dont want excessive whipping, that should be in ALL events. Thats my opinion and why i disagree with the situation.
I get whats done is done, Tuf has handled it graciously... the Topaz letter is just showing support for how he DOES treat his animals as his name is being dragged through the mud.
I thought they own Rio (I believe thats who he was on??? ) ... so it wouldnt really be very impactful if his Dad wrote a letter in his defense.
You are missing the point
The chuckwagons are governed by the world professional chuckwagon association, NOT Calgary stampede.
The barrel racing is governed by the WPRA, not Calgary stampede, this is why the one barrel racer was not disqualified.
The cowboy events are governed by Calgary stampede, hence they can make their own rules.
Calgary has been adamant to not allow the team ropers, and have had sponsors come forward to put up the money, and they are not hurting because of the exclusion of team roping, chances are won't be hurting if they get rid of barrel racing, or even calf roping.
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 3:52 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:54 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 2:47 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far.
It is a rule excessive use of force, which is subjective, but all the judges, and committee members agreed he used excessive force.
As I said this ruling has nothing to do with barrel racing, as each has their own set of rules.
Calgary stampede, all events except barrels
Wpra only barrels
Edited to add the rules are in place and enforced so animals are not injured, it should never get to the point where horses are injured due to excessive whipping to be disqualified.
To me if you are excessively whipping your horse to the point of injury, you shouldn't own animals
I am not disagreeing with you... it shouldnt ever come to that point but theres a lot of things it shouldnt come to.
My point is that if they are truly looking out for the welfare of their animals, it shouldnt be governed for only certain events. If you dont want excessive whipping, that should be in ALL events. Thats my opinion and why i disagree with the situation.
I get whats done is done, Tuf has handled it graciously... the Topaz letter is just showing support for how he DOES treat his animals as his name is being dragged through the mud.
I thought they own Rio (I believe thats who he was on??? ) ... so it wouldnt really be very impactful if his Dad wrote a letter in his defense.
You are missing the point
The chuckwagons are governed by the world professional chuckwagon association, NOT Calgary stampede.
The barrel racing is governed by the WPRA, not Calgary stampede, this is why the one barrel racer was not disqualified.
The cowboy events are governed by Calgary stampede, hence they can make their own rules.
Calgary has been adamant to not allow the team ropers, and have had sponsors come forward to put up the money, and they are not hurting because of the exclusion of team roping, chances are won't be hurting if they get rid of barrel racing, or even calf roping.
I think you're missing my point... I understand they each are governed by a certain agency. However, I think that mistreatment of an animal should be a rule for ALL contestants... and that calgary should have the rule apply to all, not some... There I am sure is a way to make that happen. Otherwise, I think they're "rulings" are a joke. One can "beat" her horse in the barrel racing but he cant "beat" his horse in the calf roping... I am using beat sacastically in this circumstance.
The purpose of that rule for the cowboys is to keep the livestock safe at their event... but its worthless if they're only keeping some safe. |
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| stayceem - 2015-07-10 4:53 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 3:52 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:54 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 2:47 PM
stayceem - 2015-07-10 2:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-07-10 1:27 PM
I haven't read all the posts, but for the people who think he shouldn't have been disqualified.
Where do you draw the line?
7 over and under in the calf roping?
The difference between barrel racing and other events, are the rules, barrel racers have their own rules, WPRA.
If this wasn't Tuf Cooper, this wouldn't be an issue.
I do think it was classy that Tuff accepted the ruling, it doesn't sound like he challenged it, and has not bad mouthed Calgary, the association, or animal activists.
So do you suggest we take away all whips? Theres no perfect "draw the line." If the horse was showing injury, then thats excessive. We have a local organization here where only leather bats are allowed... maybe rodeo needs to go that route... cant hit your horse in front of the shoulder, only use leather bats, etc etc...
This wasnt about rules... this was about maltreatment of an animal which should be universal to all events. Therefore, it is the same as barrel racing.
I also agree that Tuf is a classy person. I have met him and one of the most pleasant people I have ever spoken to. Fine, maybe... DQ? I think thats too far.
It is a rule excessive use of force, which is subjective, but all the judges, and committee members agreed he used excessive force.
As I said this ruling has nothing to do with barrel racing, as each has their own set of rules.
Calgary stampede, all events except barrels
Wpra only barrels
Edited to add the rules are in place and enforced so animals are not injured, it should never get to the point where horses are injured due to excessive whipping to be disqualified.
To me if you are excessively whipping your horse to the point of injury, you shouldn't own animals
I am not disagreeing with you... it shouldnt ever come to that point but theres a lot of things it shouldnt come to.
My point is that if they are truly looking out for the welfare of their animals, it shouldnt be governed for only certain events. If you dont want excessive whipping, that should be in ALL events. Thats my opinion and why i disagree with the situation.
I get whats done is done, Tuf has handled it graciously... the Topaz letter is just showing support for how he DOES treat his animals as his name is being dragged through the mud.
I thought they own Rio (I believe thats who he was on??? ) ... so it wouldnt really be very impactful if his Dad wrote a letter in his defense.
You are missing the point
The chuckwagons are governed by the world professional chuckwagon association, NOT Calgary stampede.
The barrel racing is governed by the WPRA, not Calgary stampede, this is why the one barrel racer was not disqualified.
The cowboy events are governed by Calgary stampede, hence they can make their own rules.
Calgary has been adamant to not allow the team ropers, and have had sponsors come forward to put up the money, and they are not hurting because of the exclusion of team roping, chances are won't be hurting if they get rid of barrel racing, or even calf roping.
I think you're missing my point... I understand they each are governed by a certain agency. However, I think that mistreatment of an animal should be a rule for ALL contestants... and that calgary should have the rule apply to all, not some... There I am sure is a way to make that happen. Otherwise, I think they're "rulings" are a joke. One can "beat" her horse in the barrel racing but he cant "beat" his horse in the calf roping... I am using beat sacastically in this circumstance.
The purpose of that rule for the cowboys is to keep the livestock safe at their event... but its worthless if they're only keeping some safe.
Calgary can't have blanket rules, as wpra has their own set of rules in place. Calgary is the venue in this situation, the wpra is the event.
For the other events Calgary is the venue and event.
It is like going to Pendleton for a jackpot, not the rodeo, the Pendleton arena committee cannot impose their own rules in
Ie can only whip a horse 3 times, running in the gate will result in disqualification, when they are only the venue. If they were the host then they could.
If you want to see barrel racers being disqualified for excessive abuse, or to ban whipping then I believe you would have to be a member and take it to the board for a rule change.
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| And to me, that's is worthless to enforce rules that are not enforced throughout the grounds. A rodeo can follow wpra rules and Calgary could still make a rule about excessive force that applies to all competing on their grounds. Many rodeo arenas/venue have their own rules and also sanctioned by an organization.
I am certainly not opposed to whips but what I'm saying is it sets a pretty bad example to discipline one person and not others that use whips in the same fashion just in different events.
I guarantee you there's a way to have venue rules and keeping it wpra. Some barrel races here are sanctioned multiple times and not all wpra rules are enforced.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | pinx05 - 2015-07-10 3:48 PM
Ok see... that isn't what I was expecting. My guess is... this girl was extremely intoxicated at Calgary and still is from the looks of it.
Modesty is one of the things that makes us human. Animals behave like that in public, humans aren't supposed to act like that. Humanity is on a downward spiral. |
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Location: Midwest | pinx05 - 2015-07-10 3:48 PM
Ok see... that isn't what I was expecting. My guess is... this girl was extremely intoxicated at Calgary and still is from the looks of it.
It honestly was sad to watch. I don't know what is going on in her life, but I think she has some troublesome issues to deal with. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-11 6:34 AM
pinx05 - 2015-07-10 3:48 PM
Ok see... that isn't what I was expecting. My guess is... this girl was extremely intoxicated at Calgary and still is from the looks of it.
It honestly was sad to watch. I don't know what is going on in her life, but I think she has some troublesome issues to deal with.
That video was more painful to watch than the one of the actual threesome. I think she's going to REALLY regret making a video "addressing" it. Everyone would eventually forget about the threesome video, but it's going to be harder now. She seems like she's trying to get social media fame out of it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | stayceem - 2015-07-11 7:57 AM And to me, that's is worthless to enforce rules that are not enforced throughout the grounds. A rodeo can follow wpra rules and Calgary could still make a rule about excessive force that applies to all competing on their grounds. Many rodeo arenas/venue have their own rules and also sanctioned by an organization. I am certainly not opposed to whips but what I'm saying is it sets a pretty bad example to discipline one person and not others that use whips in the same fashion just in different events. I guarantee you there's a way to have venue rules and keeping it wpra. Some barrel races here are sanctioned multiple times and not all wpra rules are enforced.
Normally, the primary sanction sets the ground rules. So whichever is listed first. |
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| It is sad. I only watched the first 5-10 seconds of her video addressing it and she is a hot mess with issues, hopefully she can get some help. It really looks like she wants attention. I'll pray for her.
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Location: Texas | Herbie - 2015-07-10 8:31 AM
DunIt - 2015-07-10 7:56 AM Still dont think its as damaging to the sport of rodeo as the viral video of the threesome!
I saw that on instagram and am dying to know who the "bull riders" were. In the words of the great poet Ron Burgundy, "Stay classy, CS!". LOL
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2015-07-10 7:33 AM
readytorodeo - 2015-07-10 2:07 AM I watched the video. He got after the horse with his rope. I don't think it's abuse. Looked like no more than what we do with a over and under. On the other hand two horses were euthanized because of injuries during the chuck wagon races. Now that is abuse!
The chuck wagon race is an accident waiting to happen and the horses are always the victims.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-12 2:42 AM Frodo - 2015-07-10 7:33 AM readytorodeo - 2015-07-10 2:07 AM I watched the video. He got after the horse with his rope. I don't think it's abuse. Looked like no more than what we do with a over and under. On the other hand two horses were euthanized because of injuries during the chuck wagon races. Now that is abuse! The chuck wagon race is an accident waiting to happen and the horses are always the victims. Has anyone ever been to the Clinton chuck wagon races? Dear Lord. . .
I am not a fan of the chuck wagon races, they are a tangled mess when a wreck happens, almost guranteeing a severe or fatal injury to the horses. |
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Location: North Dakota | SKM - 2015-07-12 9:24 AM Funny how when rodeos branches away from the PRCA...everyone was all for it. They were all about the $$$ and how awesome it was to show the PRCA that they needed to do better. Now that these large payout, unsanctioned venues are enforcing the rules they came up with...people are complaining about how "unfair" they are. You can't have it both ways. If an unsanctioned, large payout rodeo says contestants have to all wear purple jeans with pink polka dots and unicorns on their shirts...you'd better know that rule and start shopping.
I'm sure Fallon will be in.
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SKM - 2015-07-12 9:24 AM Funny how when rodeos branches away from the PRCA...everyone was all for it. They were all about the $$$ and how awesome it was to show the PRCA that they needed to do better. Now that these large payout, unsanctioned venues are enforcing the rules they came up with...people are complaining about how "unfair" they are. You can't have it both ways. If an unsanctioned, large payout rodeo says contestants have to all wear purple jeans with pink polka dots and unicorns on their shirts...you'd better know that rule and start shopping. I'm sure Fallon will be in.
And she would look amazing and rock it with total confidence. 
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Location: North Dakota | gypsykalgirl - 2015-07-12 9:49 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-12 6:24 PM SKM - 2015-07-12 9:24 AM Funny how when rodeos branches away from the PRCA...everyone was all for it. They were all about the $$$ and how awesome it was to show the PRCA that they needed to do better. Now that these large payout, unsanctioned venues are enforcing the rules they came up with...people are complaining about how "unfair" they are. You can't have it both ways. If an unsanctioned, large payout rodeo says contestants have to all wear purple jeans with pink polka dots and unicorns on their shirts...you'd better know that rule and start shopping.
I'm sure Fallon will be in. And she would look amazing and rock it with total confidence.
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-12 8:28 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-12 2:42 AM Frodo - 2015-07-10 7:33 AM readytorodeo - 2015-07-10 2:07 AM I watched the video. He got after the horse with his rope. I don't think it's abuse. Looked like no more than what we do with a over and under. On the other hand two horses were euthanized because of injuries during the chuck wagon races. Now that is abuse! The chuck wagon race is an accident waiting to happen and the horses are always the victims. Has anyone ever been to the Clinton chuck wagon races? Dear Lord. . .
We went several years to Clinton, and I loved the riding around and seeing our friends. But there were several horse deaths each year--both from the races and just drunk idiots on horse back. I miss going, but I couldn't stand seeing how some contestants and spectators treated their horses. |
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Location: Deep South | caspersabelpip - 2015-07-12 8:30 AM
Hot Mess is all I can say.
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jbhoot - 2015-07-09 6:44 PM achildres - 2015-07-09 6:38 PM Super curious to know what Tuf did?? Someone fill me in!! people on FB say he over and undered his horse six times and was sent home. I have no idea if it is true.
A top horse like Tuff rides not firing at a rodeo says something's wrong-pain issue? Why punish him? Try figuring out what's wrong. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | BMW - 2015-07-13 4:53 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-07-09 6:51 PM jbhoot - 2015-07-09 6:44 PM achildres - 2015-07-09 6:38 PM Super curious to know what Tuf did?? Someone fill me in!! people on FB say he over and undered his horse six times and was sent home. I have no idea if it is true. A top horse like Tuff rides not firing at a rodeo says something's wrong-pain issue? Why punish him? Try figuring out what's wrong.
I couldn't agree more. My first thought was the ground was hard and it stung his feet and that is why he didn't want to run. |
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| He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | nvrenuf - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM
To go further with this....what about having hard crappy slick ground??? That is not just as bad or worse on the horse/rider? Should Calgary be fined or DQ'D? What is the difference?
It`s a rodeo... They worked with it and tried to help everyone involved.
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Location: WI | SharonDugger - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not.
I'll bite, lol
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SharonDugger - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not.
Thanks for that info. I was never able to see the beginning of the run, just the part of him over and undering. |
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What happened to his Cinch Sponsorship? What happened at the American?
As for the Cinch Sponsorship I am not sure. As for the American, three of the final four calf ropers planned it out to let a qualifer win the final round. this way the qualifier would win part of the million and they spilt the extra money between the three of them. Tuf Cooper, was one of those three calf ropers that planned this out. They were in court for it and last heard they still have not paid out in the calf roping for the American because of this. |
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Location: Texas | miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-07-14 11:09 AM linds - 2015-07-14 10:57 AM SharonDugger - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not. I'll bite, lol
What happened to his Cinch Sponsorship? What happened at the American? .
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| He's human like the rest of us. To be fair I will repeat a story told to me by my friend. Her friend is a rookie and she and her mother were unfamiliar with the rodeo they pulled in to in the middle of the night after also competeing at another rodeo earlier that night. They were walking around the barn trying to find stalls for the horses. There was a young man finishing up with his horses and when he saw them he offered his help. He not only helped them find stalls, he helped them prepare them for the horses and helped bed the horse down. They had no idea who he was, just thanked him and went to bed. Next day they found out the man who helped them was Tuff Cooper. I just thought I would balance out the bad with a little good. No one is perfect. We all have parts of our lives that looking back we realize we could have done a little better. Maybe this is one of his. |
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| nvrenuf - 2015-07-13 4:39 PM
To go further with this....what about having hard crappy slick ground??? That is not just as bad or worse on the horse/rider? Should Calgary be fined or DQ'D? What is the difference?
Who's going to fine or DQ them? They are their own enity. They are an unsanctioned rodeo that can only answer to themselves. They could hold the barrels on an asphalt parking lot if they wanted. |
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-07-14 12:09 PM
linds - 2015-07-14 10:57 AM SharonDugger - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not. I'll bite, lol
What happened to his Cinch Sponsorship? What happened at the American? .
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| astreakinchic - 2015-07-14 12:25 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-07-14 12:09 PM linds - 2015-07-14 10:57 AM SharonDugger - 2015-07-13 5:39 PM He broke wide, and therefore was late and then whipped his horse for it. There is a picture floating around of him breaking from the box and Fred breaking from the box ON THE SAME CALF and it shows it. But Tuf isn't as innocent as he plays off. Maybe people should ask about what happened to his Cinch Sponsorship or the whole American fiasco. Just because people act to be all religious, people look the other way. It's sad. Yes he is winner and a champion roper but a role model he is not. I'll bite, lol
What happened to his Cinch Sponsorship? What happened at the American? . LOL i was wondering when this info would surface on this thread...
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I Am a Snake Killer
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | GLP - 2015-07-14 11:32 AM
He's human like the rest of us. To be fair I will repeat a story told to me by my friend. Her friend is a rookie and she and her mother were unfamiliar with the rodeo they pulled in to in the middle of the night after also competeing at another rodeo earlier that night. They were walking around the barn trying to find stalls for the horses. There was a young man finishing up with his horses and when he saw them he offered his help. He not only helped them find stalls, he helped them prepare them for the horses and helped bed the horse down. They had no idea who he was, just thanked him and went to bed. Next day they found out the man who helped them was Tuff Cooper. I just thought I would balance out the bad with a little good. No one is perfect. We all have parts of our lives that looking back we realize we could have done a little better. Maybe this is one of his.
One of the best ever posts on here! People are so quick to judge and point fingers as if they are perfect and always have been. Everyone makes mistakes and bad calls! Everyone! |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| mreklaw - 2015-07-14 12:44 PM
GLP - 2015-07-14 11:32 AM
He's human like the rest of us. To be fair I will repeat a story told to me by my friend. Her friend is a rookie and she and her mother were unfamiliar with the rodeo they pulled in to in the middle of the night after also competeing at another rodeo earlier that night. They were walking around the barn trying to find stalls for the horses. There was a young man finishing up with his horses and when he saw them he offered his help. He not only helped them find stalls, he helped them prepare them for the horses and helped bed the horse down. They had no idea who he was, just thanked him and went to bed. Next day they found out the man who helped them was Tuff Cooper. I just thought I would balance out the bad with a little good. No one is perfect. We all have parts of our lives that looking back we realize we could have done a little better. Maybe this is one of his.
One of the best ever posts on here! People are so quick to judge and point fingers as if they are perfect and always have been. Everyone makes mistakes and bad calls! Everyone!
I try not to get involved with the drama and rumors that fly around the horse world in general. Makes a person's head spin. My judgement comes from my own experience with Tuf also. I saw him at the American and he was so genuinely nice and helpful to those around him. Taking pictures with every willing fan, taking great care of his horses, he's human...
I also dont like to get involved in the rumos mill because there is his side, their side and the truth. Until things are settled, I try not to let that crap fog my judgement. Anyone who has been in the public eye whether at a local level, state level, national level... you have seen how hateful people are. They will swear your name through the mud out of pure jealousy.
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | mreklaw - 2015-07-14 12:44 PM
GLP - 2015-07-14 11:32 AM
He's human like the rest of us. To be fair I will repeat a story told to me by my friend. Her friend is a rookie and she and her mother were unfamiliar with the rodeo they pulled in to in the middle of the night after also competeing at another rodeo earlier that night. They were walking around the barn trying to find stalls for the horses. There was a young man finishing up with his horses and when he saw them he offered his help. He not only helped them find stalls, he helped them prepare them for the horses and helped bed the horse down. They had no idea who he was, just thanked him and went to bed. Next day they found out the man who helped them was Tuff Cooper. I just thought I would balance out the bad with a little good. No one is perfect. We all have parts of our lives that looking back we realize we could have done a little better. Maybe this is one of his.
One of the best ever posts on here! People are so quick to judge and point fingers as if they are perfect and always have been. Everyone makes mistakes and bad calls! Everyone!
I am disappointed to hear about the American but don't think he's all bad. Just got a little caught up in the $$$$$ side of things... |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Well if you read it on the Internet, you know it must be true |
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Chicken Chick
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Location: Texas | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-14 3:26 PM Well if you read it on the Internet, you know it must be true
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Wow Calgary is just tough all around this year..