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Location: North Dakota | I can't get the idea of trying a hack on my horses. Cash has always been very mouthy with every bit. I've been using a low port myler snaffle that has a roller in the middle. That keeps him from chewing (and destroying) the bit. His teeth are well maintained and he's NOT a nervous horse by nature, and I can if he does get worked up. It comes down to either he does it for entertainment or he just doesn't like bits. He's light in the bridle, and since he's my shooting horse I ride him one handed a lot. I want a hack that's not too extreme in any way. Some bend, some whoah. I want something that allows me to get him to break at the pole and work "on the bit" when I need to.
The other one is very different. He needs lots of woah and very little bend. He's like riding a flighty rubber band. He was in a Sherry cervi twisted Dogbone short shank. He's very high strung and if he gets worked up or spooks, he'll try running through the bit and the more you try to get his head back, the more he fights by opening his mouth or "giraffe-ing". Now we are NOT heavy handed riders, and he's always up to date tooth-wise too, so it's something about the bit that's causing issues. We've tried him in a snaffle, but have absolutely NO control.
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Im not a seasoned hack person, but I just put a hack on my girl yesterday to try it out. Same reasons - she just seems to hate bits.
She will work to fight you when putting it on (though we have a system now :P)
and she is mouthy or raises her head.
Put a hack on her and ran her in a local jackpot and we got 1st in the 3D and she wasn't fighting me at all!
I used a jim warner and I really liked it! :)
She is also very light on the face/mouth, moves off legs well. Just a over all well broke horse and I'm a believer! I'll be using a hack on her from now on - previously I was using a sherry cervi short shank. |
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Location: North Dakota | Phxbarrel - 2015-07-15 4:30 PM
Im not a seasoned hack person, but I just put a hack on my girl yesterday to try it out. Same reasons - she just seems to hate bits.
She will work to fight you when putting it on (though we have a system now :P)
and she is mouthy or raises her head.
Put a hack on her and ran her in a local jackpot and we got 1st in the 3D and she wasn't fighting me at all!
I used a jim warner and I really liked it! :)
She is also very light on the face/mouth, moves off legs well. Just a over all well broke horse and I'm a believer! I'll be using a hack on her from now on - previously I was using a sherry cervi short shank.
Yeah, Cash never wants to open his mouth either. If I tickle his tongue for a second he'll open up though. Once he has it in he responds find to it and never tries to evade, he just messes with it all.the.time. |
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Location: Texas | Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far |
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Location: North Dakota | http://www.nrsworld.com/classic/classic-equine-clover-hackamore-hor...
Has anyone used a hack like this?
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Location: North Dakota | outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 5:03 PM
Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far
I'll check into that. I'm not sure if maybe I should see how he goes on a hack before going through having one made for him. |
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Location: Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 8:44 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 5:03 PM Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far I'll check into that. I'm not sure if maybe I should see how he goes on a hack before going through having one made for him.
Oh sorry I didn't even think about that! Either way they have good resale and are only about $60 custom.. I would reccomend a jim warner or little s just to get the basic feel for one, I rode in a Jim Warner for years on many different horses but the difference in my JD one is just amazing! |
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Location: North Dakota | outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 8:53 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 8:44 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 5:03 PM Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far I'll check into that. I'm not sure if maybe I should see how he goes on a hack before going through having one made for him.
Oh sorry I didn't even think about that! Either way they have good resale and are only about $60 custom.. I would reccomend a jim warner or little s just to get the basic feel for one, I rode in a Jim Warner for years on many different horses but the difference in my JD one is just amazing!
That's ok! That contact may come in handy. Between the little s and the jw, does one have more turn than the other? More woah? |
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Location: NC | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 10:21 PM
outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 8:53 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 8:44 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 5:03 PM Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far I'll check into that. I'm not sure if maybe I should see how he goes on a hack before going through having one made for him.
Oh sorry I didn't even think about that! Either way they have good resale and are only about $60 custom.. I would reccomend a jim warner or little s just to get the basic feel for one, I rode in a Jim Warner for years on many different horses but the difference in my JD one is just amazing!
That's ok! That contact may come in handy. Between the little s and the jw, does one have more turn than the other? More woah?
The Little S is the least amount of lift/whoa/control you'll get from a hack. Like Curt from Carolina Bit told me, it's one step up from a halter. It's great for the super broke, really bendy, really ratey horses that don't need a lot of help on the pattern. I run my gelding in a Little S. He doesn't need much help at all. So it works well for him. I work him in a Simplicity or a short shank 3 piece lifter at home to keep him soft and supple
The JW has more control more lift more whoa. More refinement overall.
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Location: Phoenix | I love my Carl hack by LW bits. I used to rope on a hackamore like the one you linked. If you're just going straight it would be a good one. Just not ideal for barrels or anything for obvious reasons. |
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Location: Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 9:21 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 8:53 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 8:44 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-15 5:03 PM Call JD Morrow and talk to him. He'll get you a custom made one designed to your horses needs and they are awesome! Better than anyone factory made hack you can get by far I'll check into that. I'm not sure if maybe I should see how he goes on a hack before going through having one made for him. Oh sorry I didn't even think about that! Either way they have good resale and are only about $60 custom.. I would reccomend a jim warner or little s just to get the basic feel for one, I rode in a Jim Warner for years on many different horses but the difference in my JD one is just amazing! That's ok! That contact may come in handy. Between the little s and the jw, does one have more turn than the other? More woah?
Personally, I would find a used little s and used JW and try them on both, I think the little s would be good for the first horse mentioned and the JW for the second. I also find its WAY easier to stay out out of a horses way with a hack than with a bit if that is an issue you've been having. Most people are surprised the first time they try a hackamore. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | Mine work very well I make several. There is none like themClampitt Ranch on FB has videos and picsI will visit with you about your horse and as long as need help.just ask..Every one I make I use daily.The new ideas get tryed for mounts on several head to see how they work Ones I build I use
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| Clampitt, Ed Wrights JD, and Stivers are my go to hacks and are the best on the market. I use the JD hack on my mare that hates bits but works wonderful off nose pressure. I only use it for warm up though because she almost has a little too much control and collection so I run her in the Stivers which I love as well.
I run my other mare who I would have never thought would like a hackamore in the shorter shank Ronny clampitt and I won't put anything else on her. I actually have quiet a few horses who work wonders in the clampitt.
If you're up for trying another bit, the Derby bit with roller by Professionals Choice is a really good one with lots of collection but too much for my one mare, and I don't know why but almost every horse I've put the Hodges Futurity Bit (Reinsman) on has been amazing. |
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Location: North Dakota | The first horse is just my mounted shooting horse, but the second one is a barrel horse. He is nearly automatic on barrels and will over bend his neck of you get in his way. Really the only concern is stopping him at the end! Just doing arena work is where the lack of control comes in. |
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Location: North Dakota | hammer_time - 2015-07-15 9:55 PM
I love my Carl hack by LW bits. I used to rope on a hackamore like the one you linked. If you're just going straight it would be a good one. Just not ideal for barrels or anything for obvious reasons.
The Carl hack's description on their website sounds very good. Also beatle hacks, anyone used one of those? I'm going to research every single one of these lol. These are a whole foreign world. |
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Location: Phoenix | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-15 11:44 PM hammer_time - 2015-07-15 9:55 PM I love my Carl hack by LW bits. I used to rope on a hackamore like the one you linked. If you're just going straight it would be a good one. Just not ideal for barrels or anything for obvious reasons. The Carl hack's description on their website sounds very good. Also beatle hacks, anyone used one of those? I'm going to research every single one of these lol. These are a whole foreign world.
It seems to have whoa, but mine will tuck his head nicely as well and flex. It's more of a side pull I think and my horse enjoys it.
A Beetle and a Little S are going to have less whoa.
i wasnt a fan of the Bozo if that helps at all. |
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Location: MD | love em! I'm happy when I can get mine to work well in a hack.
If I were you I'd get a pre-fab hack or borrow one to see if it could be an option and you can get a good feel before you go have one custom made. |
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| In my experience beetle has more control than little s, and stiffens them up a little more. Stivers has good whoa and makes them a little stiffer too.. I liked the look of the Jim Warner but my horse wouldnt work in it. I also really like the L&W metal one. My horse doesnt act like it bothers her any more than a rope one despite it looking so much stronger. You can also experiment with different curb straps and looser or tighter to find what he likes |
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Location: North Dakota | Unfortunately I don't know a single person that owns a hackamore so I'm going to see if I can't find some used and try a few. |
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Location: NC | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-16 2:26 PM
Unfortunately I don't know a single person that owns a hackamore so I'm going to see if I can't find some used and try a few.
Horse.com has little s hacks for like $13. They may have some other styles too. There was a girl selling JW look alikes on a tack swap page on Facebook for $25. You can find good deals on the new and used ones for sure. They're out there. Some people will still think highly of their used junk though. Just have to weed through them. Lol |
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Location: Phoenix | For the record I like the rope nose Carl hack. Website pictures a steel nose.
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Location: North Dakota | Well, I wanted to get a base-line of how Cash responds without a bit. So I rode him in a rope halter with a rope covered nose. I was pleasantly surprised at how well he responded. I only walked and trotted him, as he has only been undersaddle again for a week and we haven't gotten to cantering yet in his conditioning. Steering was a little sketchy at first but he caught on quickly. By the end I could stop just as well as in a bit and steer like 90% as well. I think he'll need something with a little more control when we add more speed or go out on the trail, but now I know where to start! He really seemed to love it. He was very relaxed, lots of licking and chewing. He even moved out better than ever. Usually asking him to trot is like asking him to donate a kidney. I really think a hack will be the right choice for him.
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-18 2:22 PM
Does anyone use just a good ole' sidepull? I'm thinking maybe just the halter or sidepull will work for riding around at home and maybe one of the hacks you guys mentioned, or I also was looking at the Bozo's and Little S's for competing or out on the trail where he may have a spook.
I use something similar to an enduro bridle. Wanted something like it, but didn't want to pay the high price, so I just made one. Works great on my snotty little pony, I don't barrel race him though. He fights me with most bits, but doesn't fight with this. I've ridden him and just a rope sidepull too, but the one I have now works better on him. |
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Location: MT | I like a Sliester hack on a horse that needs whoa and not a lot of bend.
Little S has the least amount of whoa of any hack that I've ever used. |
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Location: North Dakota | So I don't think I'll do the little s. Ugh there's just WAY too many options. I want to try them all! |
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Location: Phoenix | I'd bet he likes the Carl but I'm probably pretty biased. |
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Location: North Dakota | hammer_time - 2015-07-18 11:17 PM
I'd bet he likes the Carl but I'm probably pretty biased.
Lol it's on the list :) Just wish I could find a used one! |
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Location: Midwest | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-19 12:40 PM
hammer_time - 2015-07-18 11:17 PM
I'd bet he likes the Carl but I'm probably pretty biased.
Lol it's on the list : ) Just wish I could find a used one!
There is one on bit auction r ight now |
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Location: North Dakota | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-19 1:14 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-07-19 12:40 PM
hammer_time - 2015-07-18 11:17 PM
I'd bet he likes the Carl but I'm probably pretty biased.
Lol it's on the list : ) Just wish I could find a used one!
There is one on bit auction r ight now
I did see one but they were asking exactly what the brand new price is. |
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Location: North Dakota | Has anyone used an ed wright swivel hack or a lance graves sidepull? I keep going back to the Carl but these caught my eye as well. |
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Location: Midwest | I also really like the Stiver Hack. It's like an s with a bit more whoa imo
i should get my swivel hack and jd hack today, so I can comment on those later. I have a hoarding problem lol |
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Location: Louisiana | My first choice and my very favorite is the Don Wasson Hack! Love it! I also like the Bobby Stiver by Reinsman short shank. Both have plenty of whoa or loosen the curb and makes it even lighter, plus plenty of bend. Awesome for heavy hands. |
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Location: North Dakota | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-21 6:07 AM
I also really like the Stiver Hack. It's like an s with a bit more whoa imo
i should get my swivel hack and jd hack today, so I can comment on those later. I have a hoarding problem lol
Oh good I'm curious about the Swivel! I'm sure I'll be a hoarder after not too long too. |
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| I have a mare that never liked bits since she was a baby. I put her in a little s and she was great. She is a very ratey, doesn't need much help horse. Like the others have said, there is no bend in it, and that's why I'd probably say it would be better suited to the rubber bandy type horse you have. It won't make him bend in half when you ask for the turn. (I don't like a fold in half type horse)
I will disagree though that there isn't enough whoa in the little s. I haven't tried many other hacks, so I won't say it doesn't have less than the others, but I find it had plenty enough for my mare. If you are concerned about brakes (like, he's troublesome to stop with a bit) you may find if he likes the hack, he might stop better because you aren't pulling on his mouth.
I ran my mare in the little s for almost 3 years, but she was getting too stiff in the little s, so I switched to a combo bit, she still had the noseband pressure she loved in the little s, but I had control of her face to get some bend to her with the bit.
Honestly, if he rode good in a covered rope halter, I wouldn't count out the little s, and it helps you can pick those up really cheap to try. |
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Location: North Dakota | OutlawsLastDance - 2015-07-21 3:10 PM
I have a mare that never liked bits since she was a baby. I put her in a little s and she was great. She is a very ratey, doesn't need much help horse. Like the others have said, there is no bend in it, and that's why I'd probably say it would be better suited to the rubber bandy type horse you have. It won't make him bend in half when you ask for the turn. (I don't like a fold in half type horse)
I will disagree though that there isn't enough whoa in the little s. I haven't tried many other hacks, so I won't say it doesn't have less than the others, but I find it had plenty enough for my mare. If you are concerned about brakes (like, he's troublesome to stop with a bit) you may find if he likes the hack, he might stop better because you aren't pulling on his mouth.
I ran my mare in the little s for almost 3 years, but she was getting too stiff in the little s, so I switched to a combo bit, she still had the noseband pressure she loved in the little s, but I had control of her face to get some bend to her with the bit.
Honestly, if he rode good in a covered rope halter, I wouldn't count out the little s, and it helps you can pick those up really cheap to try.
Interesting. The 2 of them are kind of opposites. Horse A I stiffer and needs some bend, but doesn't need a ton of whoa (like the equivalent of a snaffle). He's the one I rode in the rope halter. Horse B is the rubber band that needs very little on the pattern, but for slow work needs something he can be stopped in when he gets worked up (which is often...) He may need 2 different hacks.
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Location: North Dakota | A girl just contacted me to trade me a beetle hack for a saddle pad I had for sale. So I guess I'm getting that to start... |
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