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| What experiences have you had with a horse with this? What have you done about it? Horse is five and been showing symptoms since purchased at four. He has been scoped and no abnormalities observed- just excessive mucous. A BAL has not been done. | |
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| My vet would call it chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Did the vet scope into the bronchials? If not find someone who can.
If they cannot clear the mucus, it will settle into the lungs, and compromise their breathing.
I have one who didn't show any problems till the smoke rolled in from the fires, without excertion she dropped to her knees coughing.
She spend over a month at the vet flushing the lungs to get the mucus out, then she was out on pasture for 6 months for the lungs to heal.
Now I have to watch what I feed her, no dust, and I cannot ride her in dusty arenas, or indoors, so I bred her, and I will scope her next year to see the damage of the lungs.
Some people use dex, but there can be adverse effects on the horse such as founder, and it can shorten their life expectancy.
Ventipulmin is another option to help bronchodilate the alveoli
Banamine can be used as an antiinflammatory
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| This horse is technically too young to consider it COPD. I know they checked the gluteral pouches...not sure about the other. He's also been on antibiotics to "clear" it up but that didn't help.
Did you ever determine what the cause was of the excess mucous?
The horse is on pasture currently, no hay. He seemed to really get worse with the high humidity the past week or two.
Giving dex a go but seems like a band aid.
Probably attempting allergy testing as well.
Edited by ImaSparkyAce 2015-07-16 8:41 PM
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I am in the EXACT same boat! Scoped 3 times,bal wash showed nothing, bloodwork was perfect! Resp rate within norm, tempature norm. Only thing we would find was the scopes showed little tiny blisters (irritation) in the trachea and a little mucus. Diagnosis IAD! Vet seems to think it's allergies. I have him on low dose dex and ventipulmin. This has helped a good bit. But is he coughs more than a few times it drives me BONKERS! he coughs only on his really bad days when exposed to a lot. I'm working really hard to control his enviorment- cut his pasture every week so grasses doesn't seed, and mold. Water down feed. NO stalling/ or shavings. He's not getting any hay now. And I'm trying to set him up where he can get some shade and a fan without being in his stall. And same here, he seems to have gotten a little worse with the heat and humidity. i have tried cought free, didn't seen to help plus he hated the taste and this sucker will eat every suppliment I've thrown at him. After talking to some friends and buddies on here. I have a nebulizer coming in next week, we will try that and some equi silver and talk with my vet about albuterol. see if it helps! Good luck!
Edited by imturnin3 2015-07-16 9:20 PM
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| ImaSparkyAce - 2015-07-16 8:38 PM
This horse is technically too young to consider it COPD. I know they checked the gluteral pouches...not sure about the other. He's also been on antibiotics to "clear" it up but that didn't help.
Did you ever determine what the cause was of the excess mucous?
The horse is on pasture currently, no hay. He seemed to really get worse with the high humidity the past week or two.
Giving dex a go but seems like a band aid.
Probably attempting allergy testing as well.
My horse was 5 when diagnosed with copd.
How my vet diagnoses copd is the ineffective mechanism to effectively clear their airway, hence the mucus build up that obstructs the airway.
Mine I believe stemmed from an influenza infection I maybe wasn't proactive enough, she came home from the trainer with a snotty nose, I kicked her out in the pasture for 2 months to heal. 2 years later were at the vet with breathing difficulties.
I haven't taken her back to have her scoped, but when the vet released her, he said he didn't see any scarring in the lungs. Mine it was the smoke that caused her to decompemsate, she had never coughed prior to the day.
I do know there are more vets stating over immunizing these horses is a contributing factor to respiratory issues.
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| The high humidity is probably good for your horse.
The mucus attaches to the lining of the lungs, the humidity loosens the mucus allowing the horse to cough up the phlegm.
My horse had to be put into cardiac overload, which means they gave her excess fluids via iv until her lungs began to fill up with fluid, this allowed the mucus to loosen and she was able to cough it up. The vet had to do this 4 times a week apart.
Some horses respond to eucalyptus oil/plant added to boiling water and have the horse inhale the steam, this will help with the loosening of mucus and allow them to cough it up | |
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| imturnin3 - 2015-07-16 9:12 PM
I am in the EXACT same boat! Scoped 3 times,bal wash showed nothing, bloodwork was perfect! Resp rate within norm, tempature norm. Only thing we would find was the scopes showed little tiny blisters (irritation) in the trachea and a little mucus. Diagnosis IAD! Vet seems to think it's allergies. I have him on low dose dex and ventipulmin. This has helped a good bit. But is he coughs more than a few times it drives me BONKERS! he coughs only on his really bad days when exposed to a lot. I'm working really hard to control his enviorment- cut his pasture every week so grasses doesn't seed, and mold. Water down feed. NO stalling/ or shavings. He's not getting any hay now. And I'm trying to set him up where he can get some shade and a fan without being in his stall. And same here, he seems to have gotten a little worse with the heat and humidity. i have tried cought free, didn't seen to help plus he hated the taste and this sucker will eat every suppliment I've thrown at him. After talking to some friends and buddies on here. I have a nebulizer coming in next week, we will try that and some equi silver and talk with my vet about albuterol. see if it helps! Good luck!
You would need to consult with a specialist, but there is something like herpes that horses can get in their trachea, they generally contract the virus from 2-4, I know of one horse who was diagnosed with this, and the blisters had to be surgically lasered off.
Something to eliminate with your horse | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | My horse is 11. I've only had him for 3 years. He developed it last year. And it's come back this summer, he was a ok in the winter even with hay. Which is why we believe it's a seasonal grass/dust/mold allergy. I've had 4 vets look at him, 2 are race track vets, the third a track surgeon and the 4th is my reg vet. They scope multiple race horses daily. All said IAD. I've had a customers horse do the same thing three years ago, and has continued every Winter because he has mold/dust allergies from hay. He gets the same "blisters" :/ they called it "blisters" to better explain what the little bumps were. Ventipulmin clears him up well.
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