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Location: Lost in the swamps | I went on their site and read and viewed everthing but What do you sanitize it with after use? Alcohol whipes? And how often do you change the tubing and medicine cups? | |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important.
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Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important.
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Location: NE Texas | CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important.
^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass. | |
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CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important.
^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass.
Sounds like the OP bought her own unit not sure how you got "thousands of other horses using the same unit" | |
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| imturnin3 - 2015-07-17 9:15 AM
I went on their site and read and viewed everthing but What do you sanitize it with after use? Alcohol whipes? And how often do you change the tubing and medicine cups?
It should have come with some cleaner called "PURE" Spray it down completely, flip it upside down so that it saturates the rubber creases as well, wait for five minutes, wipe it down. I actually do this TWICE before I switch to another horse, my own horses or not.
Do NOT use alcohol wipes. It is recommended to only use the cleaner provided. This is used in major healthcare and food industries to ensure sanitization and is SAFE.
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Location: Southern Indiana | imturnin3 - 2015-07-17 8:15 AM I went on their site and read and viewed everthing but What do you sanitize it with after use? Alcohol whipes? And how often do you change the tubing and medicine cups?
Did yours not come with sanitizer? You can buy the pure hard surface sanitizer online. I just use hot water and dish soap after every use. Dry with paper towel. I use the sanitizer and wipe down with a clean paper towel before use. I have a separate cup/tube for each horse and store in a ziplock bag. Wash them every other week. Once a week is probably ideal. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Nope, I am no band wagon jumper, never even seen a unit at a show , and I don't plan on using it on another horse other than my own. my horse has a Respiratory condition similar to asthma. that he could benefit from this type of treatment. it is an accumulation of months of research on my part, I have looked up case studies, because I feel you should never go by web site testimonials. I have talked to race horse owners, trainers who use this, member of a board all over the country such as this one! In conjunction with all my vets (3) who are track vets that have handled my horses case. As well as my sister n law who child has asthma.And implements regular nebulizer treatments. So no lady I do my home work! chelated and colloidal silver has been used for centuries! And has been used for years in the horse industry to fight off bacteria and microbial that have become resistant. I had also spoke to quite a few people who drink silver water as a health regime for water cleansing up in Alaska. Do you even know the chemical and mechanical process it takes to create cheated or colloidal silver? And do you know iron is an actual metal that you ingest every time you eat fruit loops honey! So no I have not jumped of that wagon, I analyze how many steps it would take to step off. So excuse me for searching for options on aiding in my horse relief!
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Location: NE Texas | RoadToVegas - 2015-07-17 3:13 PM Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:09 PM CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important. ^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass. Sounds like the OP bought her own unit not sure how you got "thousands of other horses using the same unit"
I can see the benefits of using something like this in a sterile environment after every single piece of it has been thoroughly cleaned with heat, disinfectant, and water between each patient and before each new patient to ensure every single piece is bacteria free. I'm also not 100% convinced that even on just a personal (1 horse) use basis, that there even is a filter, and if there is, is it removeable? Has the filter been tested to trap small particles suchs as dust and mold spores? If so, where are those results? If none of these particular tests on the machine and filter have been done, then what is keeping dust particles, mold spores, etc from going in through the intake, up the tube, and into the mask, resulting in a horse being spoon fed, basically, the very same contaminants we try so hard to keep them away form, except in this case we are pushing them deep into the lung so that it's sure to cause problems at some point.
I'm not saying i'm right here, but I have read alot about this system because I too had a horse that was battling severe respiratory conditions. While out of my care, he received several treatments from the Equi-Resp system, and in 3 weeks of that, I had a horse that was in full blown respiratory distress. I'm not saying that the machine was the cause of his condition worsening, but I can absolutely say without question it did not help.
I view it similarly to chap stick. People who use chap stick and carry it in their pockets always seem to have chapped lips. They tend to use their chap stick several times throughout the day, and seemingly the more they use it, the more they need it. They can't function without their chap stick. I think this fad of nebulizers is similar to that. I think there is a place for them where they can and are beneficial, but that place is not in a dusty barn or in a pasture by your trailer, and it's certainly not in a stall barn full of potentially sick horses being used by horse, after horse, after horse.
To each his own, but I choose to find out what is causing the inflammation and mucous in the lungs and airways and treat that first. Once the inflammation is eliminated, the breathing issues resolve with proper maintenance, control of environment, and exercise tolerance.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | AfleetEquine - 2015-07-17 3:16 PM
imturnin3 - 2015-07-17 9:15 AM
I went on their site and read and viewed everthing but What do you sanitize it with after use? Alcohol whipes? And how often do you change the tubing and medicine cups?
It should have come with some cleaner called "PURE" Spray it down completely, flip it upside down so that it saturates the rubber creases as well, wait for five minutes, wipe it down. I actually do this TWICE before I switch to another horse, my own horses or not.
Do NOT use alcohol wipes. It is recommended to only use the cleaner provided. This is used in major healthcare and food industries to ensure sanitization and is SAFE.
Thank you! I'm am obviously smart enough to know Clorox is obviously NOT a good idea! And alcohol can breakdown certain material compounds. Distilled water just doesn't seem enough to me . Just didn't know the proper way to sterilize the device. I did not buy the complete unit. The only horse who will use it it mine. Because I am even funny about people using my bits. And wanted to see what was everyone's regimen was to insure I'm cleaning it correctly! I see equi resp sells a cleansing bottle. Just didn't know there was anything at home I could use! Thanks! | |
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| imturnin3 - 2015-07-17 3:33 PM Nope, I am no band wagon jumper, never even seen a unit at a show , and I don't plan on using it on another horse other than my own. my horse has a Respiratory condition similar to asthma. that he could benefit from this type of treatment. it is an accumulation of months of research on my part, I have looked up case studies, because I feel you should never go by web site testimonials. I have talked to race horse owners, trainers who use this, member of a board all over the country such as this one! In conjunction with all my vets (3) who are track vets that have handled my horses case. As well as my sister n law who child has asthma.And implements regular nebulizer treatments. So no lady I do my home work! chelated and colloidal silver has been used for centuries! And has been used for years in the horse industry to fight off bacteria and microbial that have become resistant. I had also spoke to quite a few people who drink silver water as a health regime for water cleansing up in Alaska. Do you even know the chemical and mechanical process it takes to create cheated or colloidal silver? And do you know iron is an actual metal that you ingest every time you eat fruit loops honey! So no I have not jumped of that wagon, I analyze how many steps it would take to step off. So excuse me for searching for options on aiding in my horse relief!
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:55 PM
RoadToVegas - 2015-07-17 3:13 PM Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:09 PM CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important. ^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass. Sounds like the OP bought her own unit not sure how you got "thousands of other horses using the same unit"
I can see the benefits of using something like this in a sterile environment after every single piece of it has been thoroughly cleaned with heat, disinfectant, and water between each patient and before each new patient to ensure every single piece is bacteria free. I'm also not 100% convinced that even on just a personal (1 horse) use basis, that there even is a filter, and if there is, is it removeable? Has the filter been tested to trap small particles suchs as dust and mold spores? If so, where are those results? If none of these particular tests on the machine and filter have been done, then what is keeping dust particles, mold spores, etc from going in through the intake, up the tube, and into the mask, resulting in a horse being spoon fed, basically, the very same contaminants we try so hard to keep them away form, except in this case we are pushing them deep into the lung so that it's sure to cause problems at some point.
I'm not saying i'm right here, but I have read alot about this system because I too had a horse that was battling severe respiratory conditions. While out of my care, he received several treatments from the Equi-Resp system, and in 3 weeks of that, I had a horse that was in full blown respiratory distress. I'm not saying that the machine was the cause of his condition worsening, but I can absolutely say without question it did not help.
I view it similarly to chap stick. People who use chap stick and carry it in their pockets always seem to have chapped lips. They tend to use their chap stick several times throughout the day, and seemingly the more they use it, the more they need it. They can't function without their chap stick. I think this fad of nebulizers is similar to that. I think there is a place for them where they can and are beneficial, but that place is not in a dusty barn or in a pasture by your trailer, and it's certainly not in a stall barn full of potentially sick horses being used by horse, after horse, after horse.
To each his own, but I choose to find out what is causing the inflammation and mucous in the lungs and airways and treat that first. Once the inflammation is eliminated, the breathing issues resolve with proper maintenance, control of environment, and exercise tolerance.
Allergies and an allergy test is in the works. We know it's a grass or pollen as it only happens for a few months and it's gone. And some environmental factors you just can't avoid. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:55 PM RoadToVegas - 2015-07-17 3:13 PM Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:09 PM CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important. ^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass. Sounds like the OP bought her own unit not sure how you got "thousands of other horses using the same unit"
I can see the benefits of using something like this in a sterile environment after every single piece of it has been thoroughly cleaned with heat, disinfectant, and water between each patient and before each new patient to ensure every single piece is bacteria free. I'm also not 100% convinced that even on just a personal (1 horse) use basis, that there even is a filter, and if there is, is it removeable? Has the filter been tested to trap small particles suchs as dust and mold spores? If so, where are those results? If none of these particular tests on the machine and filter have been done, then what is keeping dust particles, mold spores, etc from going in through the intake, up the tube, and into the mask, resulting in a horse being spoon fed, basically, the very same contaminants we try so hard to keep them away form, except in this case we are pushing them deep into the lung so that it's sure to cause problems at some point.
I'm not saying i'm right here, but I have read alot about this system because I too had a horse that was battling severe respiratory conditions. While out of my care, he received several treatments from the Equi-Resp system, and in 3 weeks of that, I had a horse that was in full blown respiratory distress. I'm not saying that the machine was the cause of his condition worsening, but I can absolutely say without question it did not help.
I view it similarly to chap stick. People who use chap stick and carry it in their pockets always seem to have chapped lips. They tend to use their chap stick several times throughout the day, and seemingly the more they use it, the more they need it. They can't function without their chap stick. I think this fad of nebulizers is similar to that. I think there is a place for them where they can and are beneficial, but that place is not in a dusty barn or in a pasture by your trailer, and it's certainly not in a stall barn full of potentially sick horses being used by horse, after horse, after horse.
To each his own, but I choose to find out what is causing the inflammation and mucous in the lungs and airways and treat that first. Once the inflammation is eliminated, the breathing issues resolve with proper maintenance, control of environment, and exercise tolerance.
I'm with you. I've heard about more lung infections this year than I can ever remember in the past. The horses that it's "working" on don't ever get run enough or exert themselves enough to truly test it's efficacy. It's never seemed like a good idea to me. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-17 4:35 PM
Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:55 PM RoadToVegas - 2015-07-17 3:13 PM Herbie - 2015-07-17 3:09 PM CanCan - 2015-07-17 2:43 PM Ohhh, the bandwagon drove by your place, but you didn't call me?
Edited to say - I'm sorry. That may be socially inappropriate, but I'm not going to force my horse to inhale anything that doesn't come from my vet. Lungs are important. ^^^^This, exactly. Isn't it terrifying to think about the question the original OP is asking when thinking about the thousands of horses using the same unit at a big show, one after the other, and the only thing that has been cleaned or sterilized is the mask that goes over their nose?!?!?!?! Not to mention what contaminants are in the air from the dusty barns and arenas we are at and then forced forced into our horse's lungs. I'll pass. Sounds like the OP bought her own unit not sure how you got "thousands of other horses using the same unit"
I can see the benefits of using something like this in a sterile environment after every single piece of it has been thoroughly cleaned with heat, disinfectant, and water between each patient and before each new patient to ensure every single piece is bacteria free. I'm also not 100% convinced that even on just a personal (1 horse) use basis, that there even is a filter, and if there is, is it removeable? Has the filter been tested to trap small particles suchs as dust and mold spores? If so, where are those results? If none of these particular tests on the machine and filter have been done, then what is keeping dust particles, mold spores, etc from going in through the intake, up the tube, and into the mask, resulting in a horse being spoon fed, basically, the very same contaminants we try so hard to keep them away form, except in this case we are pushing them deep into the lung so that it's sure to cause problems at some point.
I'm not saying i'm right here, but I have read alot about this system because I too had a horse that was battling severe respiratory conditions. While out of my care, he received several treatments from the Equi-Resp system, and in 3 weeks of that, I had a horse that was in full blown respiratory distress. I'm not saying that the machine was the cause of his condition worsening, but I can absolutely say without question it did not help.
I view it similarly to chap stick. People who use chap stick and carry it in their pockets always seem to have chapped lips. They tend to use their chap stick several times throughout the day, and seemingly the more they use it, the more they need it. They can't function without their chap stick. I think this fad of nebulizers is similar to that. I think there is a place for them where they can and are beneficial, but that place is not in a dusty barn or in a pasture by your trailer, and it's certainly not in a stall barn full of potentially sick horses being used by horse, after horse, after horse.
To each his own, but I choose to find out what is causing the inflammation and mucous in the lungs and airways and treat that first. Once the inflammation is eliminated, the breathing issues resolve with proper maintenance, control of environment, and exercise tolerance.
I get where some of you are coming from. I personally never liked the idea of mask sharing. Which is why I purchased a unit. And yes you do hear of more horses with resp issues. But is this a fad? Or could it be that this is now coming to light as an alternative to drugs which are now banned? I personally think that as research is more sought out on Nebulizers and treatment options now is because of stricter association by laws and people are trying to find ways to alleviate their equine partners issues legally and naturally. If I can give him a treatment over the effects dex i will at least try it!
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| Why do people act like nebulizers are new? They aren't. They just made them more affordable now! Nebulizers used to be over $5,000!
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Location: Lost in the swamps | AfleetEquine - 2015-07-17 9:46 PM
Why do people act like nebulizers are new? They aren't. They just made them more affordable now! Nebulizers used to be over $5,000!
They have been around for years, and used by vets!
Exactly! It's been around for decades!
And people in the barrel racing industry are just
now utilizing this knowledge that some think is all a fad.
Like is said I really believe it's becoming an
alternative to alleviate conditions
banned medications help control!:)
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| Not to mention people with respiratory problems use them all the time. I have not done a ton of research into the equine ones, but I'm a nurse so I find it funny that some people are so against it like it's bringing dust into the lungs that typically wouldn't be there and what not. All it comes down to is do what you think is best for your horse. | |
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| Cross contamination would be a major concern of mine. I considered buying one but after seeing how little steam was coming out of the more expensive unit, I just don't see how it could be making much of a difference. I have asked multiple vets their opinion and they have all told me to save my money. One vet in particular said they have used them on sick horses to get medicine directly into the lungs and that helps but otherwise from his own experience, if you are not using it twice a day every day, you aren't going to see a "benefit" from it on a horse that is not sick. | |
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Location: South Central Florida | I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Thank you everyone for your replies, the good, bad, and the ugly. On this.
which is why I purchased a different mask (a bucket) I feel it will be
easier to sanitize. No rubber, nothing for anything to get trapped in. (My opinion only)
And is why I'm asking
what protocols are used to keep everything
sanitary. Sterile water, certain soaps,or sterile cleaners,
hot water ect. Unlike your friends horse my is not
completely healthy. My horse has IAD /asthma, and I'm looking into
albuetrol, and a steroid neb treatments
as a direct treatment as well as the silver occasionally if he
has an episode of severe mucus that can potentially become phnumonia,
Because mucus harbors bacteria,and microorganisms that bring on potential infection.
Nevulizing albuterol and a steroid is better for them as
opposed to Clembuterol and dex which has to
go thur their entire system. I understand the
potential dangers of over nebulizing and poor
cleansing practices. Which is why I asked before hand.
What products are
use to clean the masks and how often to.
replace tubes and cups ect.
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Location: NE Texas | Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me.
Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I am happy to report that after treating my horse for the past two weeks with equisilver that his cough has subsided! I hadn't heard him cough in the last few days, not even during exercise. Took him to a barrel race this weekend, treated him 2 hours out and not one single cough out of him, not during his warm up, during run (which I coasted him), or even after he ran!!
I have been able to slowly reduce the amount dex, and only gave 3cc clenbuterol before his run. Hoping to completely remove the dex from the program(slowly) and utilize Clem only as needed.
(Side note: dex and clenbuterol were given for a month prior to nebulizer w/o any changes in cough or mucus production. And smz's were given for 5 days 1 week prior to initial neb treatment) is it a cure all, prob not, has it aided in relief of his symptoms? I would say YES!
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| Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM
Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me.
Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies.
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| I do think that nebulizers have their place such as the OP's horse who has clinically been diagnosed with asthma. With that being said I do believe people are using them when not needed. Are you going to give your child without asthma this if they are not diagnosed with a condition that requires it? That is the only problem I have with these is people using them where not needed. OP- Glad it worked for your horse with asthma | |
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Location: NE Texas | RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers?
That's not what I said at all. I think there is absolutely a place for inhalers or nebulizers to distribute medications in the right environment with single subject use, and with a unit that has filters that are able to be changed and cleaned. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Tatum2 - 2015-08-04 12:20 PM
I do think that nebulizers have their place such as the OP's horse who has clinically been diagnosed with asthma. With that being said I do believe people are using them when not needed. Are you going to give your child without asthma this if they are not diagnosed with a condition that requires it? That is the only problem I have with these is people using them where not needed. OP- Glad it worked for your horse with asthma
Exactly! He has been diagnosed with clinical asthma, pharyngitis (IAD)brought on by a seasonal allergen. My decision to use a nebulizer comes from months of research talking with owners of horses with the same issues. Vets who utilize these treatments in racehorses, and my sister n law who's child is classic allergenic asthmatic. And knowing how traditional oral,iv,or IM dosages of certain medications can have detrimental effects of their entire system Vs nebulizing and getting the medicine only where it is needed. Albuterol is cost effective, over clen and can be compounded, silver aids in any microorganism that might effect his system while on the dex because it slows/or shuts down the immune system and risk of infection is greater. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Herbie - 2015-08-04 12:43 PM
RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers?
The unit I purchased does have a filter and came with 5 replacement filters, and two sets of hoses,cups. To be replaced periodically. I wash all items with antibacterial soap and hot water. Re Bag everything individually once dry, I even use gloves When setting up. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Great! I truly hope it continues to work for you and your horse. My results and research have led me in a different direction due to necessity after the product had been used on my horse for several months daily and we had exhausted all options as far as medication goes. I sincerely hope you continue to have great results with it and that it brings your horse the relief he needs.
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 Maine-iac
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Location: Got Lobsta? | imturnin3 - 2015-08-04 1:53 PM Herbie - 2015-08-04 12:43 PM RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers? The unit I purchased does have a filter and came with 5 replacement filters, and two sets of hoses,cups. To be replaced periodically. I wash all items with antibacterial soap and hot water. Re Bag everything individually once dry, I even use gloves When setting up.
Do you have an update on how you like the unit? Are you still pleased with the results? Is he off Dex completely? | |
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| And can I ponyback on this post and ask a question? Has anyone experience with nebulizers say if they can cause bleeding?
I had a girl last week come to me terrified because her horse was bleeding heavily out his nostrils after a run. She did not know if it was lungs, sinuses, guttural pouch or what. She told me that she was told that he might bleed some after a nebulizer treatment but no mention was made about it happening after a run.
I told her that she might give her horse some antihistamine until she could get him to a vet to be scoped. Anyone else experience this? I have no idea why she has been using the nebulizer in the first place, we never had that conversation. | |
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Location: Southern Indiana | I have had the silver horse since March and have had no issues. In fact this past weekend our horses were stalled in a dusty barn at the show and it was amazing how much dirt a couple of the horses started blowing out. The other 2 didn't really do anything. I don't feel like they are a cure, but I do believe it helps clear out and open the airway.
I don't see how a nebulizer would cause a horse to bleed. They moisten the nostrils, which would help prevent bleeding. Just like when the weather is dry and your sinuses get dry and bleed. You would use nose spray or a humidifier to help. I do agree they can transfer bacteria and what not. It's hard to tell what caused the bleeding, that's something for a vet to answer. | |
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Maine-iac
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Location: Got Lobsta? | One of my horses has breathing issues and my friend has one and loves it. However reading what one of the posters stated about the dangers of micro bacteria, scared the heck out of me. I want my horse comfortable, but I'd rather have him cough than make him sick. I'm so on the fence about this. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Mainer-racer - 2015-09-25 8:09 AM One of my horses has breathing issues and my friend has one and loves it. However reading what one of the posters stated about the dangers of micro bacteria, scared the heck out of me. I want my horse comfortable, but I'd rather have him cough than make him sick. I'm so on the fence about this.
There are ways to treat the cough and the mucous that's causing it safely and effectively while actually improving other areas of your horse's health at the same. My horse has looked the devil in the eyes and lived to tell about it....couldn't even take a deep enough breath TO cough.  | |
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Maine-iac
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Location: Got Lobsta? | oh goodness believe me I have read everything you had said about that product!!! The season here is almost over and its like I don't want to make any changes till January. I believe I'm going to try it the supplement on him. The vet was out yesterday stating he may have early signs of COPD. I thought it was allergies. I appreciate you sharing your experiences - keep the updates coming. :) | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Mainer-racer - 2015-09-25 8:38 AM oh goodness believe me I have read everything you had said about that product!!! The season here is almost over and its like I don't want to make any changes till January. I believe I'm going to try it the supplement on him. The vet was out yesterday stating he may have early signs of COPD. I thought it was allergies. I appreciate you sharing your experiences - keep the updates coming. :)
Just something to think about, the longer we let these COPD symptoms persist, the less likely chance we have of a full recovery due to scar tissue building in the lungs. I'm not trying to tell you to do this right now, I just wish I had found it before the condition I was dealing with was so advanced. | |
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Sooooo... I just bought a nebulizing unit and some equisilver.