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| My finished mare has been running through every bit I put in her mouth for a run. It's frustrating because she is has all the fancy training outside the barrel pen, and works in just a loose ring snaffle. (Collection, spins, stops, flexing.) But as soon as she gets in the shoot she becomes so strong. And she's not a small mare. 15h and about 1500lb of pure muscle. She's huge and has an even bigger motor. She use to run in just a Jr CowHorse but the past few weeks she's realizing just how strong she is. Any one have suggestions for bits to try out? And its not that she doesn't want to run, or is burnt out like some horses. Its that she wants to do her job a little too much and I have no rate. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | have your tried a chain mouth piece? maybe with a gag? Fred hunter makes great bits for this too! |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | also a pretzel...............I'm having the same problem............a mare that I bought was running great and turning awesome but I knew she wasn't running to her full potention so I finally got the run out of her and I lost her turns......... I wish I could go back and redo that! She has a great mind though so I'm just rolling with it and can't wait till she gets passed this........ |
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| caparks - 2015-07-18 7:44 PM My finished mare has been running through every bit I put in her mouth for a run. It's frustrating because she is has all the fancy training outside the barrel pen, and works in just a loose ring snaffle. (Collection, spins, stops, flexing.) But as soon as she gets in the shoot she becomes so strong. And she's not a small mare. 15h and about 1500lb of pure muscle. She's huge and has an even bigger motor. She use to run in just a Jr CowHorse but the past few weeks she's realizing just how strong she is. Any one have suggestions for bits to try out? And its not that she doesn't want to run, or is burnt out like some horses. Its that she wants to do her job a little too much and I have no rate.
sometime less is more we went way up on ours but it just got worse sent to a gag with diferent mouth ps to change up
also dan and vicki suggested let her roll then she come back to u and she did |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | vjls - 2015-07-18 5:25 PM caparks - 2015-07-18 7:44 PM My finished mare has been running through every bit I put in her mouth for a run. It's frustrating because she is has all the fancy training outside the barrel pen, and works in just a loose ring snaffle. (Collection, spins, stops, flexing.) But as soon as she gets in the shoot she becomes so strong. And she's not a small mare. 15h and about 1500lb of pure muscle. She's huge and has an even bigger motor. She use to run in just a Jr CowHorse but the past few weeks she's realizing just how strong she is. Any one have suggestions for bits to try out? And its not that she doesn't want to run, or is burnt out like some horses. Its that she wants to do her job a little too much and I have no rate. sometime less is more we went way up on ours but it just got worse sent to a gag with diferent mouth ps to change up
also dan and vicki suggested let her roll then she come back to u and she did
completely agree with this! you have to let them roll and then bring them back to collect to turn |
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Location: on my horse | Here's my completely unprofessional opinion, but are you hanging onto her face for the run? She could be getting frustrated and running through your hands because you don't give her a release?
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| I like the Josey Go Around bit. It's not a big bit, but it really helps those who are great in a snaffle off the pattern/slow working, but need more running. I run my 16 hand tank in one and she does a lot better with it. I don't let her lean on it though, if she gets into the bit, I back her off of it and it keeps her really listening to it during a run. |
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| I have not tried a chain yet. I was thinking about it but wanted to hear some opinions on it. I'm thinking she'll need something with a long shank. She's just sooo strong and she is figuring that out! Thanks for the suggestions though! Will look into one |
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| No, I am not. I ride with super light hands. I like my horses to work completely off leg, which she does outside the pen. I let her work till our pocket then start talking to her, when she needs to turn, I just drop my hand, put my leg on her and lift. I don't want to get in her mouth if I don't have to. Like I said, she's alll muscle and I'm only 110lbs so I'd like something that I can be light with but still pull her up if she wants to run off and not rate. |
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Location: Phoenix | redmansmyman11 - 2015-07-18 6:03 PM Here's my completely unprofessional opinion, but are you hanging onto her face for the run? She could be getting frustrated and running through your hands because you don't give her a release?
This is what happened to me. Ed Wright madew realize this. |
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| I would slow her down and make her work at the speed that I wanted. Speed up slowly and only as much as you can control. So many people put up that money and think they need to go fast when the horse is not quite ready to handle that speed. Less is more with the bit. |
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| My big strong rocket mare is the same way. I could ride her in a string at home, but show her the alley and omg! She even has big brakes after a run, but during she is soooooo strong. I had a custom futurity made for her. It's a 3-piece broken mouthpiece with a copper roller in the middle with a noseband (wrapped in foam and vet wrap) and medium shanks/purchase. It's not the harshest thing possible, but I have a happy mouth and control of both mouth and nose. |
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Location: somewhere up north | My mare is like this. She is broke, broke but when it came to running she would get strong on the backside of the turn. I went to an Ed Wright clinic because she was a different style from my other horses, that I ride in a light bit, and he put the pretzel on her. She is a completely different horse! I also had to learn that even though she is 14.2 and catty she needs a little rate going into a turn to remind her to slow her feet to have a nice turn. This mare has been clocking awesome since. A bit is only as harsh as the hands using it. I like a very soft and light feel on my horses and with this bit I get that feeling with her and I only have to ask her lightly to rate to get a response. I send her in, rate her once at my entry point and she turns. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I have a friend with a freight train of a gelding and she switched him to a Molly Powell first barrel bit. It's big and looks pretty intimidating but it gives her the control she needs to get him around the first even with a big run in! She rides him at home and for warm up in a much smaller bit. Might be worth looking into :) |
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| jschipper - 2016-05-30 12:18 PM
I have a friend with a freight train of a gelding and she switched him to a Molly Powell first barrel bit. It's big and looks pretty intimidating but it gives her the control she needs to get him around the first even with a big run in! She rides him at home and for warm up in a much smaller bit. Might be worth looking into :)
Ran my crazy old gelding in this bit. We call it our mule bit, its a BIG bit that I would only put on a tough mouthed horse that really likes to fight, because it has enough 'umph' to make them do it. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-05-30 10:05 AM
jschipper - 2016-05-30 12:18 PM
I have a friend with a freight train of a gelding and she switched him to a Molly Powell first barrel bit. It's big and looks pretty intimidating but it gives her the control she needs to get him around the first even with a big run in! She rides him at home and for warm up in a much smaller bit. Might be worth looking into :)
Ran my crazy old gelding in this bit. We call it our mule bit, its a BIG bit that I would only put on a tough mouthed horse that really likes to fight, because it has enough 'umph' to make them do it.
Her horse isn't hard mouthed or a real fighter... just a BIG freighttrain of a horse :) But yes, I agree... it's a huge, intimidating bit!!! I personally wouldn't trust my hands with it but I thankfully (knock on wood) haven't had a real strong horse come my way. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I went to a combination for mine. Most of the time I can ride in a snaffle or S hackamore. The combo gives me enough for rate and turn.You can get the combo that matches your current snaffle at L and W bits so you don't have to change much. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | I have made a few of my Hackamores for a bigger stronger horse.They have a bit more weight and little more length.They worked well
"1 left 2 right " has the first one I made like that.
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| Molly Powell Rate and Turn bit. Looks like a lot of bit but its not. I had a 15 yr old mare and she was set in her ways. She was strong running, I threw this bit on her and she did great with it. Didn't have to be heavy handed.
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| got boost? - 2015-07-18 6:30 PM
vjls - 2015-07-18 5:25 PM caparks - 2015-07-18 7:44 PM My finished mare has been running through every bit I put in her mouth for a run. It's frustrating because she is has all the fancy training outside the barrel pen, and works in just a loose ring snaffle. (Collection, spins, stops, flexing.) But as soon as she gets in the shoot she becomes so strong. And she's not a small mare. 15h and about 1500lb of pure muscle. She's huge and has an even bigger motor. She use to run in just a Jr CowHorse but the past few weeks she's realizing just how strong she is. Any one have suggestions for bits to try out? And its not that she doesn't want to run, or is burnt out like some horses. Its that she wants to do her job a little too much and I have no rate. sometime less is more we went way up on ours but it just got worse sent to a gag with diferent mouth ps to change up
also dan and vicki suggested let her roll then she come back to u and she did
I have to completely agree with these two!
I have a, now 20 year old DTF gelding that I bought 8 years ago. He is a HARD running, HARD dropping, barrel hitting son of a gun with an even harder mouth.
And I went rounds with him trying to get him light. Nothing worked. Until I all but gave up by putting a short shank, square mouthed LW bit on him. All I did was keep him between my hands and let him roll. He started clocking like crazy and we haven't hit a barrel in 2 years.
I don't believe the change in him came from the bit. It was the way I rode him. I stopped picking on him, stayed off his face and only used my hands to communicate with him only when I NEEDED to.
Not to say this didn't come from A LOT of trial and error! But I think some of these horses are more finished then we give them credit for.
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| And I think it's vital to find a bit your horse likes AND works well in your hands. I ride several different bits...they're fascinating to me. But I find myself going back to the same four or five.
I know for a fact I hate the way an o-ring feels in my hands, outside of riding colts (but I try to transition them as soon as I can, appropriately of course). I see girls running finished horses in them, and have people telling me "Oh you could so run this or that horse of yours in an o-ring". Maybe someone could, but I know from experience O-rings do not feel good in MY hands no matter what horse I'm on.
Horses, and performance horses especially, are just a constant series of trying and re-trying. |
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | First thing first...I would check for any soreness.
But as far as bits go different people like the feel of different bits...and not every bit is going to work for every person. These tend to be purely personal choices I would just go with a longer shank of the bit you used to run in. I usually ride in smooth mouth pieces and run in twisted or a port...i ride a lot with my body though. Some people like to ride in twisted or ports and run in a smooth, because they ride more with their hands...it's personal preference based on how you ride. |
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| 110% Danyelle Campbell's long shank bit or what Molli said, the Pedska |
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Location: Texas | triselaine - 2016-06-05 10:19 PM
110% Danyelle Campbell's long shank bit or what Molli said, the Pedska
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