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Location: Riding Crackhead. | If your horse gets poisoned are you prepared for the vet bills and possible death? I think your question is rather strange. My horses are worth way too much to me to take the risk. |
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Location: South Dakota | I feed good whole oats, bought from a local farmer, and Forco, and my horses look good, they have a very nice topline and bloom...along with grass hay, and a flake of alfalfa hay. I feel it is the most economical way for me to feed...Forco is about 114.00 for 25 lb pail, and you only feed a small amount per day...about a 1/3 cup or so...I haven't actually measured it, just use the small scoop that comes with it..I gave up feeding processed feeds about 3 yrs ago, due to cost and not knowing what was actually in the feed.
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Location: Kentucky | Feed bills are always cheaper than vet bills.
I actually switched from Triple Crown ($25 a bag) to Tribute ($15) a bag, so I'm actually saving money and found a better product. My mare has not been sick since we switched to Tribute. TC Senior has an issue with sulphur, which gave my mare colic and colic like symptoms. ZERO colic since switching. |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2015-07-20 7:16 AM If your horse gets poisoned are you prepared for the vet bills and possible death? I think your question is rather strange. My horses are worth way too much to me to take the risk.
I agree it is 100% important. Would you take a risk of feeding your child a leathal food. No you wouldn't. So why would you give it to your horse? |
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| Wowza. Dont eat me. I don't think my question is all that out of sight. Feeding low starch, low volume feed by a reputable company that also produces cattle feed or med starch, high volume feed by a reputable company that doesn't.
How many people feed safe choice, omolene, mare & foal ect.... With healthy horses? I'm not talking about putting rat poison in their feed. I realize the dangers of ionophore. That's why I now feed blue bonnet but I also have worse looking horses on larger amounts of grain. While the nutrena may kill them slowly with poison, high grain volume is not helping the gastric system and ulcers make them miserable....
Idk it's all a big cluster to me. That's why I aksed opinions. It's not so much the $$ that bothers me as the 5-7# of grain a day with still seeing the shadow of their ribs...on grass pasture with free choice hay... |
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Location: Oklahoma | I was a loyal Nutrena user and had everything for years on Safe Choice and then the Omega Intensify. However, once I figured out they had lied to me about their mill being 100% safe, I pulled my horses off their feed. I understand your feed bill has gone up, most of ours has. I do feed alfalfa pellets in addition to the BB so it isn't as much. It is your feed program, your decision. Many of us are not willing to risk the chance that it is not safe. I wouldn't feed my daughter something that may or may not be safe, just because I hadn't had any problems on it in the past. |
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Location: Oklahoma | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 8:46 AM
Thank you. I'll probably stick with what I have and just find a fat additive. I just started the "thin" one on FORCO, hopefully that solves that issue. It just weighs on me...
Look at Adeptus Nutrition Gleam & Gain. There are 2 formulas. The original 41 and the 60. Excellent source of crude fat and minerals. I put mine on that when I need them to pick up weight. |
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Location: Florida.. | add soaked alfalfa cubes.. it will put weight on them. |
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Location: NE Texas | VERY important to me! In the last few months I have learned about the effects of inflammation in the hind gut and how it affects the horse's (and our) entire body. 2015 has been a very educational year for me, and I am very thankful for that, as for the first time in a long time, I feel like my horses are healthy from the inside out.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-07-20 8:49 AM add soaked alfalfa cubes.. it will put weight on them. Ditto, I just bought 20 bags of the Danco Omnis cubes- LOVE them and so do the horses. Increase your forage, not your grain. I am a Renew Gold lover, horses look great. I have not fed a grain in years. I have one on stall rest for the next few months and he gets the Omnis cubes with RG, even if stalled they do not have to have grain.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | So Nutrena isn't a safe feed? I must have missed that. I thought it was. Not my favorite feed, but one that is readily available and I thought safe to feed. |
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Location: Here | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 8:32 AM Wowza. Dont eat me. I don't think my question is all that out of sight. Feeding low starch, low volume feed by a reputable company that also produces cattle feed or med starch, high volume feed by a reputable company that doesn't. How many people feed safe choice, omolene, mare & foal ect.... With healthy horses? I'm not talking about putting rat poison in their feed. I realize the dangers of ionophore. That's why I now feed blue bonnet but I also have worse looking horses on larger amounts of grain. While the nutrena may kill them slowly with poison, high grain volume is not helping the gastric system and ulcers make them miserable.... Idk it's all a big cluster to me. That's why I aksed opinions. It's not so much the $$ that bothers me as the 5-7# of grain a day with still seeing the shadow of their ribs...on grass pasture with free choice hay...
I am not eating you... You might as well be talking rat poison. Poison is poison... Ionophore poisoning isn't a slow poison |
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Location: Beggs, OK | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-20 8:52 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-20 8:49 AM add soaked alfalfa cubes.. it will put weight on them. Ditto, I just bought 20 bags of the Danco Omnis cubes- LOVE them and so do the horses. Increase your forage, not your grain. I am a Renew Gold lover, horses look great. I have not fed a grain in years. I have one on stall rest for the next few months and he gets the Omnis cubes with RG, even if stalled they do not have to have grain.
I have finally gotten our using horses backed off of grain completely. They get 10# of Omnis Cubes in the morning when they are brought in for the day and another 5# in the evening before they are turned out on pasture at night. I am still feeding our old horses and yearlings Bluebonnet Intensify Sr and Intensify Growth and all of my horses are still getting 1oz of Transform DSI at the moment. I have been looking into the products that Herbie has mentioned and trying to figure out which one will work best for my needs.
My horses have never looked better. We get compliments all the time from people who don't have any idea how bad they looked before...and that means a lot! This is my daughter's little rocket mare. She has had a pony belly for as long as we have owned her no matter how fit she was....Since she has been on Omnis Cubes she has trimmed up and looks like a little race horse.
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Location: Florida.. | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 9:32 AM Wowza. Dont eat me. I don't think my question is all that out of sight. Feeding low starch, low volume feed by a reputable company that also produces cattle feed or med starch, high volume feed by a reputable company that doesn't. How many people feed safe choice, omolene, mare & foal ect.... With healthy horses? I'm not talking about putting rat poison in their feed. I realize the dangers of ionophore. That's why I now feed blue bonnet but I also have worse looking horses on larger amounts of grain. While the nutrena may kill them slowly with poison, high grain volume is not helping the gastric system and ulcers make them miserable.... Idk it's all a big cluster to me. That's why I aksed opinions. It's not so much the $$ that bothers me as the 5-7# of grain a day with still seeing the shadow of their ribs...on grass pasture with free choice hay...
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Location: NE Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-07-20 8:52 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-20 8:49 AM add soaked alfalfa cubes.. it will put weight on them. Ditto, I just bought 20 bags of the Danco Omnis cubes- LOVE them and so do the horses. Increase your forage, not your grain. I am a Renew Gold lover, horses look great. I have not fed a grain in years. I have one on stall rest for the next few months and he gets the Omnis cubes with RG, even if stalled they do not have to have grain.
My horses have never looked better. We get compliments all the time from people who don't have any idea how bad they looked before...and that means a lot! This is my daughter's little rocket mare. She has had a pony belly for as long as we have owned her no matter how fit she was....Since she has been on Omnis Cubes she has trimmed up and looks like a little race horse.
Now if I could just get my hands on some of those Omnis cubes, i'd be set! I'm so tired of throwing out alfalfa stems, but better than nothing I suppose. Keeping fingers crossed for an Omni dealer in the Greenville/Sulphur Springs area.....PUHLLLLEASSSE!  |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I have a dear friend who who switched to BB when she moved. She fed it for 6 months and was not at all impressed with the results. She now feeds a purina product. I like the BHR to read what the winners feed, I always find that interesting, especially since so many do feed Purina. Think Charlie Cole and Jason Martin, Slick By Design and Skye off the top of my head.
But I know plenty of others who get along fine with BB. They have a great reputation. But if you want to get technical, they use molasses from one of the nations largest liquid feed makers and liquid feed is ionophores most often, actually the largest distributor of medicated feeds over any mill. So if ionophore free is the ONLY safe feed, then I am not sure how you can say molasses is safe in any feed. Since it is up to humans to clean out their trucks before they deliver molasses (and you should see some of the truckers!). I am not sure of their cleanout process but I would have to see it with my own eyes. Like the always wise SG said, Ionophore poisoning isn't a slow poison-
what has been seen so far is 98% of confirmed cases, the horses died very quickly.
That being said, I might suggest a straight grain with no molasses. Or maybe an oil based mix or topical for fat if needed?
We too love the Omnis alfalfa cubes!! But I will be honest, we have fed maybe 5 different brands of feeds in 17 years and our horses always look as good if not better than most, IMO. So I think it is the hay we feed that is most important. 
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Location: Beggs, OK | 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 6:32 AM
Wowza. Dont eat me. I don't think my question is all that out of sight. Feeding low starch, low volume feed by a reputable company that also produces cattle feed or med starch, high volume feed by a reputable company that doesn't.
How many people feed safe choice, omolene, mare & foal ect.... With healthy horses? I'm not talking about putting rat poison in their feed. I realize the dangers of ionophore. That's why I now feed blue bonnet but I also have worse looking horses on larger amounts of grain. While the nutrena may kill them slowly with poison, high grain volume is not helping the gastric system and ulcers make them miserable....
Idk it's all a big cluster to me. That's why I aksed opinions. It's not so much the $$ that bothers me as the 5-7# of grain a day with still seeing the shadow of their ribs...on grass pasture with free choice hay...
I'm not jumping on you here WHAT SO EVER!!! I am in the SAME BOAT as you, and quite frankly at my wits end over the whole feed mess!!! I went to RG, didnt work, went to Ultium, made my horses TO HOT, Tried several Ionophore free feeds, bought like months worth at a time. When I ran out, feed stores quit carrying it. Major PITA. My horses looked and felt Great, with perfect energy levels on the Safechoice origional. SO thats what I went back to. SO far so good. I do feed forco to both of them and a fat supplement to my one hard-er keeper. I am so sick and tired of trying to track down feed. lol SO I feel your pain. It has come to a point that I am so frustrated. I literally almost walked up to friends of mine at a barrel race and handed them the leadropes of my two 1D horses and said " Have at it" here are my horses for free so I could go home and not have to worry about horse feed. I think it has taken 5 years off my life for simple stress. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have moved to whole oats once daily, just enough to mix my Cur-Ost supplement in. Everything else they get from the alfalfa/grass hay and pasture. With the Cur-Ost, I know that my horse's gut is healthy and in a position to absorb what they are consuming, along with treating the respiratory issues my one horse has. Cheapest my feed program has ever been right now, because they are actually utilizing what they're eating. No more ulcer meds, probiotics, prebiotics, joint supplements, weight gain supplements, etc. I'm so happy I tried the Cur-Ost....what it has single handedly done for my horses is pretty remarkable.
Flitastic, I promise you that if you would try this stuff, and take one horse off of everything else, you will see the difference. You won't need to buy any other supplement. I know it seems expensive, and it is for the first month due to the need to double dose, but it's so worth it!
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| If you are looking at cost cutting try mixing your own
When my bags are done I am looking at mixing my own
I will start with soaked barley (my understanding horses can't break the shell)
Whole oats
Flax
Depending on how this goes, may add alfalfa pellets.
Also look at the hay you are feeding, as I do believe a "grain" shouldn't be what makes a horse look good, I feed it more as a treat, or to give supplements. Your hay and grass should be enough to have a fat horse, so maybe increase the quality of the hay. |
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| Oh man I hear ya. I did not know ionophore was a faster- killing poison I thought it was something that built up over time after feeding low doses (on accident).
I went ahead and stocked up 2 weeks worth of BB to give the BB + FORCO a shot. I really like the look of the BB Intensify on paper. The copper, protein, fat, starch, especially the probiotics. Anywho, we'll see. Surprisingly my ulcer prone horse is doing the best on it. The FORCO horse (big racey gelding) looks like poop IMO. |
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Location: North Dakota | I would never feed any feed they could have ionophore contamination. My horses are EVERYTHING to me. Surely you should be able to find some other feeds in your area? Even with my tractor supply and a couple little others I get Renew Gold, alfalfa pellets, and whole oats. To fill in any nutritional holes out address specific issues I use supplements like THE or smartpaks. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-20 10:20 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 9:32 AM Wowza. Dont eat me. I don't think my question is all that out of sight. Feeding low starch, low volume feed by a reputable company that also produces cattle feed or med starch, high volume feed by a reputable company that doesn't. How many people feed safe choice, omolene, mare & foal ect.... With healthy horses? I'm not talking about putting rat poison in their feed. I realize the dangers of ionophore. That's why I now feed blue bonnet but I also have worse looking horses on larger amounts of grain. While the nutrena may kill them slowly with poison, high grain volume is not helping the gastric system and ulcers make them miserable.... Idk it's all a big cluster to me. That's why I aksed opinions. It's not so much the $$ that bothers me as the 5-7# of grain a day with still seeing the shadow of their ribs...on grass pasture with free choice hay... Poison is Poison .. revise your HAY
That's what I was going to say. Every feed program should be forage based with concentrates added on an as-needed basis. If you're feeding that much grain and have thin horses, look at your hay quality and quantity first and work through your program from there. |
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| Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:55 AM
I have moved to whole oats once daily, just enough to mix my Cur-Ost supplement in. Everything else they get from the alfalfa/grass hay and pasture. With the Cur-Ost, I know that my horse's gut is healthy and in a position to absorb what they are consuming, along with treating the respiratory issues my one horse has. Cheapest my feed program has ever been right now, because they are actually utilizing what they're eating. No more ulcer meds, probiotics, prebiotics, joint supplements, weight gain supplements, etc. I'm so happy I tried the Cur-Ost....what it has single handedly done for my horses is pretty remarkable.
Flitastic, I promise you that if you would try this stuff, and take one horse off of everything else, you will see the difference. You won't need to buy any other supplement. I know it seems expensive, and it is for the first month due to the need to double dose, but it's so worth it!
I might go with total control. But my colt still is not a fan of whole oats. lol |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 11:01 AM Oh man I hear ya. I did not know ionophore was a faster- killing poison I thought it was something that built up over time after feeding low doses (on accident). I went ahead and stocked up 2 weeks worth of BB to give the BB + FORCO a shot. I really like the look of the BB Intensify on paper. The copper, protein, fat, starch, especially the probiotics. Anywho, we'll see. Surprisingly my ulcer prone horse is doing the best on it. The FORCO horse (big racey gelding) looks like poop IMO.
I am not sure, I bet RG can answer more accurately. I think the only true studies of long and low dosing/exposure in horses are from the mfg of rumensin? And they are who set the supposed non lethal levels. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-07-20 10:59 AM
If you are looking at cost cutting try mixing your own
When my bags are done I am looking at mixing my own
I will start with soaked barley (my understanding horses can't break the shell)
Whole oats
Flax
Depending on how this goes, may add alfalfa pellets.
Also look at the hay you are feeding, as I do believe a "grain" shouldn't be what makes a horse look good, I feed it more as a treat, or to give supplements. Your hay and grass should be enough to have a fat horse, so maybe increase the quality of the hay.
Not so much cost cutting but volume cutting (cost would be nice lol). I work at a feed store that makes custom mixes but it just makes me nervous. I would have to do tons of research before I took that on.
I know what you mean about the grain/ hay quality. My grass is not the greatest, but they are turned out 24/7 with access to a very nice grass hay and now I am feeding baked alfalfa twice a day, just 1 flake. We shall see where we go from here.
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Location: Midwest | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 11:49 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-07-20 10:59 AM If you are looking at cost cutting try mixing your own When my bags are done I am looking at mixing my own I will start with soaked barley (my understanding horses can't break the shell) Whole oats Flax Depending on how this goes, may add alfalfa pellets. Also look at the hay you are feeding, as I do believe a "grain" shouldn't be what makes a horse look good, I feed it more as a treat, or to give supplements. Your hay and grass should be enough to have a fat horse, so maybe increase the quality of the hay. Not so much cost cutting but volume cutting (cost would be nice lol ). I work at a feed store that makes custom mixes but it just makes me nervous. I would have to do tons of research before I took that on. I know what you mean about the grain/ hay quality. My grass is not the greatest, but they are turned out 24/7 with access to a very nice grass hay and now I am feeding baked alfalfa twice a day, just 1 flake. We shall see where we go from here.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TurnLane - 2015-07-20 10:35 AM I have a dear friend who who switched to BB when she moved. She fed it for 6 months and was not at all impressed with the results. She now feeds a purina product. I like the BHR to read what the winners feed, I always find that interesting, especially since so many do feed Purina. Think Charlie Cole and Jason Martin, Slick By Design and Skye off the top of my head.
But I know plenty of others who get along fine with BB. They have a great reputation. But if you want to get technical, they use molasses from one of the nations largest liquid feed makers and liquid feed is ionophores most often, actually the largest distributor of medicated feeds over any mill. So if ionophore free is the ONLY safe feed, then I am not sure how you can say molasses is safe in any feed. Since it is up to humans to clean out their trucks before they deliver molasses (and you should see some of the truckers!). I am not sure of their cleanout process but I would have to see it with my own eyes. Like the always wise SG said, Ionophore poisoning isn't a slow poison- what has been seen so far is 98% of confirmed cases, the horses died very quickly.
That being said, I might suggest a straight grain with no molasses. Or maybe an oil based mix or topical for fat if needed?
We too love the Omnis alfalfa cubes!! But I will be honest, we have fed maybe 5 different brands of feeds in 17 years and our horses always look as good if not better than most, IMO. So I think it is the hay we feed that is most important.
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Location: Beggs, OK | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-07-20 11:49 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-07-20 10:59 AM If you are looking at cost cutting try mixing your own When my bags are done I am looking at mixing my own I will start with soaked barley (my understanding horses can't break the shell) Whole oats Flax Depending on how this goes, may add alfalfa pellets. Also look at the hay you are feeding, as I do believe a "grain" shouldn't be what makes a horse look good, I feed it more as a treat, or to give supplements. Your hay and grass should be enough to have a fat horse, so maybe increase the quality of the hay. Not so much cost cutting but volume cutting (cost would be nice lol ). I work at a feed store that makes custom mixes but it just makes me nervous. I would have to do tons of research before I took that on. I know what you mean about the grain/ hay quality. My grass is not the greatest, but they are turned out 24/7 with access to a very nice grass hay and now I am feeding baked alfalfa twice a day, just 1 flake. We shall see where we go from here.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol
This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Nevertooold - 2015-07-20 11:51 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 10:35 AM I have a dear friend who who switched to BB when she moved. She fed it for 6 months and was not at all impressed with the results. She now feeds a purina product. I like the BHR to read what the winners feed, I always find that interesting, especially since so many do feed Purina. Think Charlie Cole and Jason Martin, Slick By Design and Skye off the top of my head.
But I know plenty of others who get along fine with BB. They have a great reputation. But if you want to get technical, they use molasses from one of the nations largest liquid feed makers and liquid feed is ionophores most often, actually the largest distributor of medicated feeds over any mill. So if ionophore free is the ONLY safe feed, then I am not sure how you can say molasses is safe in any feed. Since it is up to humans to clean out their trucks before they deliver molasses (and you should see some of the truckers!). I am not sure of their cleanout process but I would have to see it with my own eyes. Like the always wise SG said, Ionophore poisoning isn't a slow poison-
what has been seen so far is 98% of confirmed cases, the horses died very quickly.
That being said, I might suggest a straight grain with no molasses. Or maybe an oil based mix or topical for fat if needed?
We too love the Omnis alfalfa cubes!! But I will be honest, we have fed maybe 5 different brands of feeds in 17 years and our horses always look as good if not better than most, IMO. So I think it is the hay we feed that is most important.
I agree, but I also think those making a living up and down the road care about what their horses eat as much as we do so if it was not what they thought was safe, I doubt they would even care if it was free, they wouldnt feed it? |
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| TurnLane - 2015-07-20 10:15 AM
Nevertooold - 2015-07-20 11:51 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 10:35 AM I have a dear friend who who switched to BB when she moved. She fed it for 6 months and was not at all impressed with the results. She now feeds a purina product. I like the BHR to read what the winners feed, I always find that interesting, especially since so many do feed Purina. Think Charlie Cole and Jason Martin, Slick By Design and Skye off the top of my head.
But I know plenty of others who get along fine with BB. They have a great reputation. But if you want to get technical, they use molasses from one of the nations largest liquid feed makers and liquid feed is ionophores most often, actually the largest distributor of medicated feeds over any mill. So if ionophore free is the ONLY safe feed, then I am not sure how you can say molasses is safe in any feed. Since it is up to humans to clean out their trucks before they deliver molasses (and you should see some of the truckers!). I am not sure of their cleanout process but I would have to see it with my own eyes. Like the always wise SG said, Ionophore poisoning isn't a slow poison-
what has been seen so far is 98% of confirmed cases, the horses died very quickly.
That being said, I might suggest a straight grain with no molasses. Or maybe an oil based mix or topical for fat if needed?
We too love the Omnis alfalfa cubes!! But I will be honest, we have fed maybe 5 different brands of feeds in 17 years and our horses always look as good if not better than most, IMO. So I think it is the hay we feed that is most important.
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Location: Texas | My horses have done well on Country Acres 12/8. It is made by Purina and costs $10-$11 a bag. I also feed alfalfa.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | TDove- remove the response I guess? I was going to respectfully disagree but I do bet there are half that might sell out without question.
Fun2Run, that is what my friend who fed BB moved to and she spends more in a year on stud fees than I make. She takes nutrition very seriously. She had a nutrtionist on staff at one time. |
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Location: West Texas | Yes I did. Figured there is no reason to put my two cents in on yet another feed post. I am sure we agree that sponsorship plays a big role. One point that I did think is valid as that just because they are going down the road and are professionals, doesn't necessarily make them more educated or knowledgeable than anyone else. I take what professionals use with a grain of salt. There is so much that goes into what is "best" for equine nutrition.
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| Tdove - 2015-07-20 2:55 PM
Yes I did. Figured there is no reason to put my two cents in on yet another feed post. I am sure we agree that sponsorship plays a big role. One point that I did think is valid as that just because they are going down the road and are professionals, doesn't necessarily make them more educated or knowledgeable than anyone else. I take what professionals use with a grain of salt. There is so much that goes into what is "best" for equine nutrition.
I agree with Tdove, but I think if they are not as educated as they could be, it may also be due to the fact that they don't have the time to research like we do when they are on the road. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Tdove - 2015-07-20 2:55 PM Yes I did. Figured there is no reason to put my two cents in on yet another feed post. I am sure we agree that sponsorship plays a big role. One point that I did think is valid as that just because they are going down the road and are professionals, doesn't necessarily make them more educated or knowledgeable than anyone else. I take what professionals use with a grain of salt. There is so much that goes into what is "best" for equine nutrition.
I sure agree with this. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | It's pretty important to me. Especially since my gelding has had so many health problems and I just now got him to where he is off ALL meds.
Think of it this way, People eat crappy food all the time and definitly keep weight on. (.99 cent burgers and shakes and etc). Sure, it's cheaper and it keeps us full and it keeps us round lol but it also makes us feel sluggish and heavy and terrible.
But when people try and eat healthier their grocery bill sky rockets and they feel hungry all the time. ($5.99 for a bag of lettuce to last two days). So they tend to go back to eating foods that make them feel terrible because it's cheaper and keeps them fuller longer. However, when they eat healthy they feel hungry all the time because their bodies are shedding the toxins and their metabolism picks up to where it needs to be to not only lose weight but to gain muscle, emergy, and to have an overall healthier appearance. It's hard getting started but once you get the right portions of grains and veggies you're golden.
Same with horses. Once you get the appropriate forage to grain consistency your horses will bloom. Don't base your feeding program off of grain. A horses diet needs to be forage based with a little added grain/supplements to keep them looking fit and trim.
I would definitly add in alfalfa cubes or flakes of alfalfa hay for your horses. they aren't getting enought forage it sounds like. Lots of great info if you search the forums on nutrition. It's interesting stuff. Good luck to you. |
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Location: Midwest | TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
I didn't think about molasses. (Ours doesn't contain it) |
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| Is this a trick question? How important is it? VERY. I literally have a Nutrena mill in my back yard basically. I refuse to feed it anymore because this particular mill also mixes medicated cattle feed. They assured me there is no way for cross contamination due to the HCAPP guidelines they have in place. Yet when you ask what these guidelines are... all you get is a blank stare. After seeing so many friends go through ionophore poisoning with their horses, why would you even want to gamble by not feeding a safe feed? A feed company is only as good as their worst employee. If they date so little about horses that they are willing to possibly poison them by not being ionophore free... then they obviously don't need my hard earned money. |
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Location: Florida.. | Roanie didnt you post you worked at a vet or something ? or am I thinking someone else..your vet should know..its important. |
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Location: Kentucky | I think a lot of folks think "it'll never happen to me" or that "it's not a big deal". People in my area look at me like I have two heads when I bring up ionophere feed. Education and research about this is pretty important. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 3:48 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Woody's makes their own molasses. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | It's really important, I have one that I think was a victim of ionophore poisoning (have the vet bills to prove it) but I have no way to prove it was the feed at this point and I didn't even know what an ionophore was when he was having problems.
That said, there are several brands that are i-free. Maybe what you are feeding just isn't going to work for you and your horses, and that's ok. :) The same thing doesn't work for everyone, variety is the spice of life. There are several other brands that can be tried; Buckeye, Tribute, Renew Gold, Purina, just to name a few. Make some phone calls, investigate options that are local to you. Trial and error, see what works best. Good luck. :) |
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| What are some of the better feeds on the purina side? Reason I ask is because I'm getting ready to move... again... and the blue bonnet isn't going to be easy for me to get where I'm going.. I need to keep at least 3 of mine on a grain because they get used the most and pretty hard. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | want2chase3 - 2015-07-21 9:03 AM
What are some of the better feeds on the purina side? Reason I ask is because I'm getting ready to move... again... and the blue bonnet isn't going to be easy for me to get where I'm going.. I need to keep at least 3 of mine on a grain because they get used the most and pretty hard.
IMO, the best by Purina is Ultium. I fed it for a while earlier this year and really liked it but the price kept going up ay my local mill and I couldn't justify it anymore.
Edited to add, Purina's website is VERY helpful. Lots of good info on there.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Leo - 2015-07-21 9:07 AM want2chase3 - 2015-07-21 9:03 AM What are some of the better feeds on the purina side? Reason I ask is because I'm getting ready to move... again... and the blue bonnet isn't going to be easy for me to get where I'm going.. I need to keep at least 3 of mine on a grain because they get used the most and pretty hard. IMO, the best by Purina is Ultium. I fed it for a while earlier this year and really liked it but the price kept going up ay my local mill and I couldn't justify it anymore. Edited to add, Purina's website is VERY helpful. Lots of good info on there.
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| Leo - 2015-07-21 9:07 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-07-21 9:03 AM
What are some of the better feeds on the purina side? Reason I ask is because I'm getting ready to move... again... and the blue bonnet isn't going to be easy for me to get where I'm going.. I need to keep at least 3 of mine on a grain because they get used the most and pretty hard.
IMO, the best by Purina is Ultium. I fed it for a while earlier this year and really liked it but the price kept going up ay my local mill and I couldn't justify it anymore.
Edited to add, Purina's website is VERY helpful. Lots of good info on there.
Agree on the ultium.. I actually have 2 on it but yes the price on it is actually more than I'm paying for the omega force. I'm going to check out the purina website .. kinda looking for an alternative |
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Location: NE Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-07-20 3:03 PM Tdove - 2015-07-20 2:55 PM Yes I did. Figured there is no reason to put my two cents in on yet another feed post. I am sure we agree that sponsorship plays a big role. One point that I did think is valid as that just because they are going down the road and are professionals, doesn't necessarily make them more educated or knowledgeable than anyone else. I take what professionals use with a grain of salt. There is so much that goes into what is "best" for equine nutrition. I sure agree with this.
I would absolutely third this. Just because someone is a winner or has a horse that is a winner doesn't automatically make them more knowledgeable than any of the rest of us. When on the road, it is absolutely necesary to feed something that is available across the Nation, and that in and of itself is limiting as far as what you can feed, and then the marketing comes in as well. Big companies in our industry spend ALOT of money on advertising/endorsements each year, some as much as $10 MILLION, and yes, I know that figure to be correct. |
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I feed Seminole - it's a good one and ionophore-free. |
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Location: North Dakota | Herbie - 2015-07-20 10:27 AM
rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-07-20 8:52 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-07-20 8:49 AM add soaked alfalfa cubes.. it will put weight on them. Ditto, I just bought 20 bags of the Danco Omnis cubes- LOVE them and so do the horses. Increase your forage, not your grain. I am a Renew Gold lover, horses look great. I have not fed a grain in years. I have one on stall rest for the next few months and he gets the Omnis cubes with RG, even if stalled they do not have to have grain.
My horses have never looked better. We get compliments all the time from people who don't have any idea how bad they looked before...and that means a lot! This is my daughter's little rocket mare. She has had a pony belly for as long as we have owned her no matter how fit she was....Since she has been on Omnis Cubes she has trimmed up and looks like a little race horse.
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| Every horse is different and you ask ten different people what their feed program is you will get 10 different answers. And normally every one of those individuals thinks theirs is the best. So....my advice to you would be to talk to your vet. They know you and your horses in person. Therefore, they should be able to help you the best with their insight.Good luck. Again if you are worried about quantity then feed less over more feedings. I have had to do that to put weight on one. It really made a difference.
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| magic gunsmoke - 2015-07-21 10:29 AM
Every horse is different and you ask ten different people what their feed program is you will get 10 different answers. And normally every one of those individuals thinks theirs is the best. So....my advice to you would be to talk to your vet. They know you and your horses in person. Therefore, they should be able to help you the best with their insight.Good luck. Again if you are worried about quantity then feed less over more feedings. I have had to do that to put weight on one. It really made a difference.
SOmetimes vets are not the best on nutrition. LOL I had one tell me there was no way a horse can digest whole oats. |
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Location: The South | want2chase3 - 2015-07-21 9:03 AM What are some of the better feeds on the purina side? Reason I ask is because I'm getting ready to move... again... and the blue bonnet isn't going to be easy for me to get where I'm going.. I need to keep at least 3 of mine on a grain because they get used the most and pretty hard.
Several people didn't like it on a feed thread on here one time, but I really like Strategy. We bought a horse last year that was on it, and she looked great and had good feet (white Paint feet mind you lol) so I saw no reason to switch. I was feeding ADM Senior Glo to my gelding so I switched him to Strategy when the ionophore news came out and he looks great too. Sorry to ramble...good luck with your move! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-07-21 2:12 PM
magic gunsmoke - 2015-07-21 10:29 AM
Every horse is different and you ask ten different people what their feed program is you will get 10 different answers. And normally every one of those individuals thinks theirs is the best. So....my advice to you would be to talk to your vet. They know you and your horses in person. Therefore, they should be able to help you the best with their insight.Good luck. Again if you are worried about quantity then feed less over more feedings. I have had to do that to put weight on one. It really made a difference.
SOmetimes vets are not the best on nutrition. LOL I had one tell me there was no way a horse can digest whole oats.
I would still ask for an opinion. Never hurts to see what they have to say. |
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Location: Florida.. | I went from triple crown and ADM to Purina equine sr.. its always been my go to feed when desperate. and my horses have always done well on it all ages all disciplines all activity level.. I add soaked alfalfa cubes and soaked beet pulp..is it the best? no.. but its easy to digest, they look great and its beet pulp based. |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
I would like to know the source of confirmed data on this. I know BlueBonnet doesn't use liquid molasses... So where is this information |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM
98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed.
Kinda off thread but didn't want to go back thru the older threads! Does anyone know of a feed store in the Jackson MS area that sells Purina that is from ionophore free plant? We'll need feed when we get back from barrel run and our store is completely different direction. Thanks if anyone can help me out. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-21 4:14 PM
I went from triple crown and ADM to Purina equine sr.. its always been my go to feed when desperate. and my horses have always done well on it all ages all disciplines all activity level.. I add soaked alfalfa cubes and soaked beet pulp..is it the best? no.. but its easy to digest, they look great and its beet pulp based.
We use the Strategy for 3 youngest and Sr and Sr Active for the 2 oldest, and they look great. Nobody can believe our 36 year old gelding is that old. Wish I knew how to post pics. . . . |
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Pork Fat is my Favorite
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
From a friend of mine who is a dealer. And I know the molasses broker of the company she said they buy from so I know their methods. |
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Location: sunny california | Something to consider: If the ionophore issue is not important to the customer, it will not be important to the feed companys. Sometimes you have to take a stand and if enough people stop buying from companys that use equipment that runs medicated feed then they will have to change or suffer the consequences. |
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| I kinda got lost on the feed companies that are ionophore free.. is nutrena free? Where I'm moving I'll have access to purina , nutrena , and triple crown. I used tc before and wasn't happy with it so I'm not planning on going back to that.. |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
I will just say it, It is hard to claim this as truth, too much hearsay in it
Sorry not trying to
But facts... not well she said she said. This issue is too important |
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Location: West Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-07-23 9:44 AM
I kinda got lost on the feed companies that are ionophore free.. is nutrena free? Where I'm moving I'll have access to purina , nutrena , and triple crown. I used tc before and wasn't happy with it so I'm not planning on going back to that..
Your choice list is Purina, and Cargill.....not much of a choice. For most its not: Purina, Cargill, or ADM. I don't think any of those really have horses or owners as the #1 interest. My opinion.
http://www.cargill.com/feed/news/2010/NA3030977.jsp
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Pork Fat is my Favorite
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Sorry not trying to
But facts... not well she said she said. This issue is too important
Rachel knows her. Is that enough validity for you to believe that I know a reputable person who asked them directly and wwhose word I trust?
I am at least glad you say you are not trying to be (insert emoticons of your choice- because Lord dont let me assume!)..... but I also know the VP of the liquid feed company that sells to them. Liquid feed sells MOER MEDICATED TONS of feed nationally than any feed mill. Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume. |
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Pork Fat is my Favorite
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
So, SG I will ask you the same underlined below---- how do you know this? I see it on the ingredient list? http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/172463_Intensify-Textured-Fab_Sht.pdf
Also, you recently tried to correct me that molasses doesnt come from sugar beets in another post. This is simply not true. I know BB uses cane molasses but most use molasses and if you want to get technical, 70% of liquid molasses "products" are blends anyhow in order to make them easier to handle for the mill and the end user.
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Location: Beggs, OK | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Technically what she corrected you on was this comment: There is the molasses argument and yet many feed beet pulp and it is a by product of molasses with a high sugar content, although for clarification in this feed it says plain beet pulp (which I have ever rarely seen).
SG feeds Omega Force like I was and it lists Dried Cane Molasses as an ingredient in the pellet....It's a matter of terminology and what came "first". Molasses isn't a by product of beet pulp, but I don't know enough about how dried cane molasses is processed at this point to comment.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Molasses is a by product of the sugar beet - not beet pulp. Beet pulp is also a by product of the sugar beet. Cane molasses is a by product of the sugar cane - mainly grown in So Florida or over seas. Sugar is also a by product of sugar cane - pure cane sugar.
Molasses is a by product from the extraction of sugars from cane and sugar beets.. The liquid is boiled to a certain temperature and turns into molasses. |
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| I'm confused!! So is the cane molasses in the BB feed good or bad for a horse??  |
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| Sandok - 2015-07-23 11:34 AM
I'm confused!! So is the cane molasses in the BB feed good or bad for a horse??
I think what they were making the point of, is molasses is molasses and several companies supply liquid molasses to various feed mills. Because of that process, all molasses has the potential to be contaminated, even if it is being used to make a feed in an ionophore free mill. THats my understanding. I have now switched to whole oats and great forage with just 1 supplement. I don't want to have to read about feed contamination anymore. |
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Location: Florida.. | Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-23 1:10 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed. Kinda off thread but didn't want to go back thru the older threads! Does anyone know of a feed store in the Jackson MS area that sells Purina that is from ionophore free plant? We'll need feed when we get back from barrel run and our store is completely different direction. Thanks if anyone can help me out.
Purina is free anywhere from what I read. |
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| Well cr__!! I thought I was being safe switching to the BB feed. I've been thinking of switching to oats anyway, as far as forage goes, I have grass, some hay and I feed alfalfa cubes wanting to get those Ominis cubes. Been talking to Dr. Schnell and the CurOst products. I might go that way. Right now I have them on THE MM. Just started them so don't know yet. |
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Location: Florida.. | BEET PULP, THE MATERIAL LEFT BEHIND WHEN TABLE SUGAR IS EXTRACTED FROM SUGAR BEETS, IS A SAFE HORSE FEED IF FED APPROPRIATELY.
Beet pulp contains lots of fermentable fiber and is fairly easy for horses to digest. It is often incorporated into "complete" or "high fiber" commercial concentrates as a source of fiber and some horse owners feed it as a separate "mash" for a variety of reasons, one of the most common being the belief that it is high calorie and will help horses gain weight.
However, beet pulp is not high calorie--it has only slightly more calories than good quality hay and less than an equivalent weight of oats. Beet pulp does contain about 10 percent protein, 0.8 percent calcium and 0.5 percent phosphorus, making it a more "balanced" source of energy and fiber than the more traditional wheat bran (15 percent protein, 0.06 percent calcium, 1.3 percent phosphorus). The high fiber content may "normalize" fermentation in the
large colons, resulting in more efficient "digestion" over all, which may be why many "hard keeper" horses that have a significant portion of their grain concentrates replaced with beet pulp seem to maintain better body condition. It has been used to replace over 50% of the forage in horse's rations without adverse effects when fed with other balanced concentrates.
Be aware however that it has no Vitamin A and that if it is used to replace most of the forage in a ration, Vitamin A may need to be supplemented. Contrary to popular belief, beet pulp itself is not high in sugar. However some beet pulp products DO have added molasses to increase palatability, so owners with carbohydrate intolerant horses need to read the labels carefully. T |
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| Sandok - 2015-07-23 12:16 PM
Well cr__!! I thought I was being safe switching to the BB feed. I've been thinking of switching to oats anyway, as far as forage goes, I have grass, some hay and I feed alfalfa cubes wanting to get those Ominis cubes. Been talking to Dr. Schnell and the CurOst products. I might go that way. Right now I have them on THE MM. Just started them so don't know yet.
According to these posts Blue bonnet is fine cause they use a molasses powder? Thats what everyone switched to if you could get it. I cant get omnis cubes or BB out here in CA |
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| Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results.
Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time.
IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system.
PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM.
I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT!
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| I can get both, but have to travel some for the ominus cubes and I work during the week so it would have to be on a Saturday morning, BB is made right at my back door (sort of) I work in Ardmore, OK. But I am just wanting to simplify feeding. They aren't getting rode right now anyway with it being so hot. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-23 12:00 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Ultimately everyone is trying to do what they think is right by their horses and make healthy choices.
The blanket statement of BB doesnt use molasses is what I was correcting, thus underlined. BB does use liquid molasses but I wasnt aware of which product she uses. But then again, the dried molasses used in most commercial facilities is from a medicated plant but I did not comfirm that particular brand used by BB- I did however confirm where their liquid blend comes from so for SG to say she knows they dont use liquid molassses is simply untrue.
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Location: Here | With a meeting today with Jyme of blue bonnet I asked the molasses question. The Intensify line uses the dried cane molasses. The liquid molasses they use in other lines is from a specific supplier and is guaranteed iononphore free. No insult intended turnlane. Just trying to make sure waters aren't muddy by misleading information. She said anyone that had questions to feel free to contact here |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 3:25 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-07-23 12:00 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Ultimately everyone is trying to do what they think is right by their horses and make healthy choices.
There are now too many quotes for me to figure out what else she is taking a tone with me about but for SG to imply I do not take this issue seriously is quite frankly, insulting.
To imply bluebonnet is using molasses from a medicated feed is simply false and assuming. Jyme said this is false information. They are extremely careful with their inputs and where they come from. Thanks Rach for clarifying the beet bull deal. That is exactly what I meant. |
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Location: Here | SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM
TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
I should have said the bb intensify I apologize for any confusing |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Sorry not trying to
But facts... not well she said she said. This issue is too important
I am at least glad you say you are not trying to be (insert emoticons of your choice- because Lord dont let me assume!)..... but I also know the VP of the liquid feed company that sells to them. Liquid feed sells MOER MEDICATED TONS of feed nationally than any feed mill. Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume.
Unless your vp friend is willing to call bb out and say their claims and input guarantee is false. I won't buy it. Still here say. You don't know for a fact they sell to bb in the horse feed mill. They do have other mills.
I too am very passionate about not feeding posion to my animals. That is why I had a meeting today with them and addressed your specific claim about the molasses. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed.
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-23 2:08 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-23 1:10 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed. Kinda off thread but didn't want to go back thru the older threads! Does anyone know of a feed store in the Jackson MS area that sells Purina that is from ionophore free plant? We'll need feed when we get back from barrel run and our store is completely different direction. Thanks if anyone can help me out.
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Location: Arkansas | westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM
Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results.
Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time.
IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system.
PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM.
I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT!
Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE????? |
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Location: Here | okkritter - 2015-07-24 12:18 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed. Was wondering which digestive supplement you are using?
Transform dsi. I am feeding it as well along with the element mineral |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM . Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume.
Yes I am aware that feed is important to you. So I will ask you this, is the mill you work at that mixes and sells horse feed, iononphore free? Several sources tell me it isn't. Is this your motive to muddy the water to cover your employer? If feed is what you do why are feeding Danco now Edited by SG. 2015-07-24 7:13 AM
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Location: Florida.. | Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-24 1:40 AM westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results. Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time. IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system. PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM. I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT! Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE?????
There is a LIST on a thread and Purina is Listed .. as one of the companies guarenteeing all mills are free .. the horse grain is mixed in seperate facilities.. |
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| I read these ionophore threads with great interest after knowing about 10 people that have had to go through ionophore intoxication. On every single one of them, TurnLane shows up and throws things out that seem to be confusing people and making them question the validity of this subject. My biggest question is WHY? I understand asking and raising questions. But I would like to know why the misdirection. I am certain TurnLane has something to do with feed milling since she knows procedures and protocols that the normal person doesn't. If I'm off base, then I offer my sincerest apologies. But something strikes me as being more here than meets the eye. |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Just to unmuddy the waters there are 2 main types of molasses
1) Sugar cane molasses
2) Sugar beet molasses
There are also some other smaller types as well made from carob, grapes, dates, pomegranatates and mulberries
Blue bonnet specifies they use cane molasses so therefore it is not a blend. And where does the 70% figure come from?
Just because you know someone at a molasses facility does not mean you know exactly what bluebonnet is doing. It simply means you know what the mill you work for is doing
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Are you the same Kim L that works for Mid America?
Only reason I ask is I was trying to determine where you knowledge base on this subject was deriving from.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-24 7:07 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM . Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume. Yes I am aware that feed is important to you. So I will ask you this, is the mill you work at that mixes and sells horse feed, iononphore free? Several sources tell me it isn't. Is this your motive to muddy the water to cover your employer? If feed is what you do why are feeding Danco now
I am not trying to muddy the waters at all- I am not sure why you think that but I am trying to make sure that people know enough to be educated from my experience which are valid. That is afterall why they started this thread.
So back to the original thing you corrected me on, you said molasses was not made from beets- and it is- thanks for confirming that you know this to be true. You also said BB didnt use liquid molasses but they do- I only stated what their own label says.
Now if they use a blend, I dont know. Molasses on a label is not technical data (like chicken by produuct in pet food it is a broad based term) but they do at least source it as cane molasses. Which is great. I have said all along, BB is a great company with a great product.
But they buy from a liquid feed company per their distributor asking where BB's came from and knowing the company from dealing with them weekly, if we are giving facts- sharing knowledge-and the knowledge you all have so expertly given- you state that the ONLY SAFE FEED is from an ionophore free facility. I believe that myself. And that is unlikely when you bring in molasses from a company that sells tons of medicated liquid feed. Even though they do have protocals in place for cleaning and transporting the molasses. I am going off of what your original thread stated. You said we cant trust humans to not make a mistake. I dont know how adding a piece to the puzzle is muddying the waters. I am trying to help educate. I have no other motive.
We feed Omni as a source of alfalfa hay since I dont trust most hay to be safe in our area. And we are very happy with them.
Sorry to pop on & off?? I have done that for years as I have tiime. As you can see, my keys are sticking, letters doubling, internet crappy and sometimes not worth waiting 10 min to type a response with all those issues while at work. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-24 7:12 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-24 1:40 AM westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results. Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time. IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system. PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM. I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT! Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE?????
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Location: Here | Maybe taking out the quotes will help some turnlane.
I specially asked Jyme about the source of molasses on the horse feeds and she said it was from an ionophore free source. She said That is was a small facility that specialized in this type of molasses. The Intensify come from dried cane not liquid. So I am not sure what your friend is selling to Bluebonnet but this is what bluebonnet told me specifically. |
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Location: Here | I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. So. i do take the he said she said personally.
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Location: never in the right place | I am sticking to Purina feed even though I don't really like it only because I know it is Ionophore freee. I am currently feeding Omelene 100 as I am not barrel racing right now. What Purina feed would be best? I really don't like feeding molasses. My horse is not very picky, will eat pellets or sweet feed. I can get Triple Crown, Purina, Nutrena, Blue Seal.
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Location: Florida.. | ctdrumrunr - 2015-07-28 8:28 AM I am sticking to Purina feed even though I don't really like it only because I know it is Ionophore freee. I am currently feeding Omelene 100 as I am not barrel racing right now. What Purina feed would be best? I really don't like feeding molasses. My horse is not very picky, will eat pellets or sweet feed. I can get Triple Crown, Purina, Nutrena, Blue Seal.
Id stick to Purina then and I personally use Purina Equine Sr and have as my go to grain when I didnt use Triple Crown..for over 26 yrs..
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want2chase3 - 2015-07-23 9:44 AM
I kinda got lost on the feed companies that are ionophore free.. is nutrena free? Where I'm moving I'll have access to purina , nutrena , and triple crown. I used tc before and wasn't happy with it so I'm not planning on going back to that..
Your choice list is Purina, and Cargill.....not much of a choice. For most its not: Purina, Cargill, or ADM. I don't think any of those really have horses or owners as the #1 interest. My opinion.
http://www.cargill.com/feed/news/2010/NA3030977.jsp
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-28 7:16 AM I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. So. i do take the he said she said personally.
I feel you question me more than maybe a feed company. But I have respect for what you are trying to accomplish even when you are most often less than friendly in your approach towards me.
What I am saying is Rachel, Liana and I all know the person who sells BB. I am not talking about my friend who sells molasses to them.
Our friend is a dealer. You can ask the validity of her reputation for the truth. I am not sure why you think I would make stuff up to muddy the waters or why I would use heresay for a senstive subject when you are doing no more than taking a companies word that you maybe dont even know personally? I am doing no more than you by trying to help people see the loopholes in safety.
She asked the source of their liquid molasses. She did not ask the source of the dried molasses which could also be an issue as well. The BB dealer
told me who they source it from after asking because she did not know, just so happens I know and use that company weekly.
The source of the actual molasses, say cane, doesnt make it more safe. It is where it is held and how it is trasported that can be questionable. Much more so than any mill. They are liscensed (sp?) to carry more meds than most mills.
It is no more proprietary than any other commodity. But if it was a secret, then that in itself would worry me. I think they make every effort to keep things safe. As does the liquid feed company (aka the molasses provider) - I need to take a tour to see with my own eyes. But lastly, I will repeat- you are the one (or those on the original thread) who say we cant trust humans to be safe with the meds. The only truly safe feed/ingredient is one free from meds.
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Location: IL | So does anyone know anything about Tribute feed/kalmbach feed. I just read that it makes Ionophore free horse feed. |
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Location: Kentucky | merdth6 - 2015-07-28 3:32 PM So does anyone know anything about Tribute feed/kalmbach feed. I just read that it makes Ionophore free horse feed.
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Location: IL | Awesome! thanks I'm in the midst of changing our feed program and just trying to see what I have available around me. |
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Location: Oklahoma | TurnLane - 2015-07-28 1:37 PM
SG. - 2015-07-28 7:16 AM I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. So. i do take the he said she said personally.
What I am saying is Rachel, Liana and I all know the person who sells BB. I am not talking about my friend who sells molasses to them.
Our friend is a dealer. You can ask the validity of her reputation for the truth. I am not sure why you think I would make stuff up to muddy the waters or why I would use heresay for a senstive subject when you are doing no more than taking a companies word that you maybe dont even know personally? I am doing no more than you by trying to help people see the loopholes in safety.
She asked the source of their liquid molasses. She did not ask the source of the dried molasses which could also be an issue as well. The BB dealer
told me who they source it from after asking because she did not know, just so happens I know and use that company weekly.
The source of the actual molasses, say cane, doesnt make it more safe. It is where it is held and how it is trasported that can be questionable. Much more so than any mill. They are liscensed (sp?) to carry more meds than most mills.
It is no more proprietary than any other commodity. But if it was a secret, then that in itself would worry me. I think they make every effort to keep things safe. As does the liquid feed company (aka the molasses provider) - I need to take a tour to see with my own eyes. But lastly, I will repeat- you are the one (or those on the original thread) who say we cant trust humans to be safe with the meds. The only truly safe feed/ingredient is one free from meds.
I just wanted to help clear up any confusion on Bluebonnet Feeds and where we get our molasses. I am the Director of Technical Services and I make the calls on where the molasses is sourced so I'm more familiar than anyone else could possibly be. I really applaud you all for being informed buyers and questioning your manufacturers! There is a lot to be concerned about out there when it comes to buying horse feed. Our molasses is custom blended by Westway. They have many facilities that do handle ionophores, but our molasses is made in a facility that does not process feeds with ionophores (which has been verified to me by Westway). It is very common for feed mills and liquid feed plants to be licensed for multiple drugs. It does not mean that the company uses them, however it does subject the company to even higher scrutiny and regulation by the state and FDA. At Bluebonnet, we keep all of our licenses active because we don't mind being inspected, we have nothing to hide. We are not trying to fly under any radars and we always get compliments from inspectors when they do come. We also offer an open door policy to anyone who would like to tour our mill, we just need a little advanced notice to get it scheduled. We try really hard to make a feed that people can trust! |
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I just wanted to help clear up any confusion on Bluebonnet Feeds and where we get our molasses. I am the Director of Technical Services and I make the calls on where the molasses is sourced so I'm more familiar than anyone else could possibly be. I really applaud you all for being informed buyers and questioning your manufacturers! There is a lot to be concerned about out there when it comes to buying horse feed. Our molasses is custom blended by Westway. They have many facilities that do handle ionophores, but our molasses is made in a facility that does not process feeds with ionophores (which has been verified to me by Westway ). It is very common for feed mills and liquid feed plants to be licensed for multiple drugs. It does not mean that the company uses them, however it does subject the company to even higher scrutiny and regulation by the state and FDA. At Bluebonnet, we keep all of our licenses active because we don't mind being inspected, we have nothing to hide. We are not trying to fly under any radars and we always get compliments from inspectors when they do come. We also offer an open door policy to anyone who would like to tour our mill, we just need a little advanced notice to get it scheduled. We try really hard to make a feed that people can trust!
Thank you so very much for coming on here and clarifying the confusion about the molasses |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Thank you for your time in confiming that my friend was correct in stating Westway even though I didnt mention the name. This is not only about BB or Purina, ect, it is just about educating how a component (molasses or liq blends, vitamin/mineral additives ect) added to any feed where an outside source in delivered to a mill can cause an issue. This thread was to help inform others how cross contamination can happen in an otherwise safe facility. Not only is your product great, so is your customer service. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | merdth6 - 2015-07-28 2:47 PM Awesome! thanks I'm in the midst of changing our feed program and just trying to see what I have available around me.
My colt has been on Solutions 14 and it just doesn't seem to be packing weight on him so I think I'm going to try Kalm Ultra. The other chunks get Kalm N Ez. It's good stuff I like it. |
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| THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff. |
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| I tried this week slowly switching mine over to oats. My little mare was not having anything to do with them. Plus I am just afraid that when I do get them switched she will put on a ton of weight and that she just does not need. I currently am feeding the BB and she likes it. I want them on a natural feed, but I just don't know. She also acted a little grumpy. |
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Location: Oklahoma | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
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| TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume |
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| Flitastic - Are you giving them anything else? Are they turned out 24/7? |
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Location: Oklahoma | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 1:10 PM
TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume
Thank you. I will research them. |
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| No pasture, but mine have 24/7 Orchard-Alfalfa mix hay in the front of them. Trucked in from 1,000 miles away at 26.00 a bale!!! THey are both very lucky they love to run and turn cans!!!! |
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| TwistedK - 2015-07-29 11:30 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 1:10 PM
TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume
Thank you. I will research them.
If you have any questions, ask HERBIE on this board. SHe is an expert!!!!!! |
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