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Location: Wisconsin | If you like him so much, come to Wisconsin--the land of low paying jobs and high taxes. He is backed by the Koch brothers and will say whatever they pay him to say. He was kicked out of Marquette University for cheating and was a poor student in high school (per one of his classmates). Yes, he is one of a kind. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | pepsi - 2015-07-20 12:34 PM
If you like him so much, come to Wisconsin--the land of low paying jobs and high taxes. He is backed by the Koch brothers and will say whatever they pay him to say. He was kicked out of Marquette University for cheating and was a poor student in high school (per one of his classmates). Yes, he is one of a kind.
Yeah.. I was thinking the same thing. After seeing what he did up in Wisconsin the only way I'd vote for him would be if he was running for silhouette on a target range. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 12:34 PM
If you like him so much, come to Wisconsin--the land of low paying jobs and high taxes. He is backed by the Koch brothers and will say whatever they pay him to say. He was kicked out of Marquette University for cheating and was a poor student in high school (per one of his classmates). Yes, he is one of a kind.
This is a liberal Democrat lie. He was not kicked out of school. The Democrat party in Wisconsin tried to propagate this but it failed, and they no longer use this line of attack. Walker has lowered income taxes across the board. Wisconsin is a beautiful state, but it's biggest problem is an over infestation of liberals, which makes Walker's progress even more impressive.
Walker does not have a college degree, which is pretty meaningless to a lot of people anyway, given the fact that our public education system has been increasingly abysmal over the past 3 decades anyway.
By the way, Harry Truman didn't have a college degree either.....and he was a Democrat. |
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If you like him so much, come to Wisconsin--the land of low paying jobs and high taxes. He is backed by the Koch brothers and will say whatever they pay him to say. He was kicked out of Marquette University for cheating and was a poor student in high school (per one of his classmates). Yes, he is one of a kind.
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Location: Wisconsin | Sorry to disappoint all of you guys--but taxes have not decreased in Wisconsin. I see it on my paycheck every week. Also, my property taxes have remained the same--they haven't increased but they have definitely have not decreased.
My wages have decreased and we raise cattle so thankfully that market has been good. Thank God my husband's income has increased--but he works for a company out of Nebraska. He had to quit his job in Wisconsin because we couldn't afford him being laid off for 6 months out of the year for lack of work.
The best politician in Wisconsin was Dale Schultz. Dale disagreed with Scotty on a lot of issues because Dale knew how dishonest Scotty is. Therefore, Scotty had another Republican run again Dale. Dale said he wouldn't run for office again since politics are not about representing the interest of the people anymore--it is about how much money you can raise.
I also put a lot of weight in Scotty's high school classmate who is a successful local business owner. She is shocked he has gone as far as he has. She said Scotty's is someone's puppet as he isn't bright enough to come up with his ideas on his own.
Go ahead and vote for the idiot. You will get what you deserve.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-20 1:48 PM Sorry to disappoint all of you guys--but taxes have not decreased in Wisconsin. I see it on my paycheck every week. Also, my property taxes have remained the same--they haven't increased but they have definitely have not decreased.
My wages have decreased and we raise cattle so thankfully that market has been good. Thank God my husband's income has increased--but he works for a company out of Nebraska. He had to quit his job in Wisconsin because we couldn't afford him being laid off for 6 months out of the year for lack of work.
The best politician in Wisconsin was Dale Schultz. Dale disagreed with Scotty on a lot of issues because Dale knew how dishonest Scotty is. Therefore, Scotty had another Republican run again Dale. Dale said he wouldn't run for office again since politics are not about representing the interest of the people anymore--it is about how much money you can raise.
I also put a lot of weight in Scotty's high school classmate who is a successful local business owner. She is shocked he has gone as far as he has. She said Scotty's is someone's puppet as he isn't bright enough to come up with his ideas on his own.
Go ahead and vote for the idiot. You will get what you deserve.
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Location: Wisconsin | Sorry you feel that way. I am not sure what you mean by hearsay. Dale Schultz represented my area. A very well respected Republican that disagreed with Walker on many issues because he knew Walker was not telling the truth. I went to listen to Dale speak several times. What is hearsay about that? Dale voted against Walker and Walker had another Republican run against him.
I find it interesting that so many of you who have no idea what Walker has done to the State of Wisconsin feel that you know more that I do when I actually live in the state and see the effects every day of what he has done. Just because he has an "R" behind his name does not make him a good person. He is not.
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pepsi - 2015-07-20 1:48 PM Sorry to disappoint all of you guys--but taxes have not decreased in Wisconsin. I see it on my paycheck every week. Also, my property taxes have remained the same--they haven't increased but they have definitely have not decreased.
My wages have decreased and we raise cattle so thankfully that market has been good. Thank God my husband's income has increased--but he works for a company out of Nebraska. He had to quit his job in Wisconsin because we couldn't afford him being laid off for 6 months out of the year for lack of work.
The best politician in Wisconsin was Dale Schultz. Dale disagreed with Scotty on a lot of issues because Dale knew how dishonest Scotty is. Therefore, Scotty had another Republican run again Dale. Dale said he wouldn't run for office again since politics are not about representing the interest of the people anymore--it is about how much money you can raise.
I also put a lot of weight in Scotty's high school classmate who is a successful local business owner. She is shocked he has gone as far as he has. She said Scotty's is someone's puppet as he isn't bright enough to come up with his ideas on his own.
Go ahead and vote for the idiot. You will get what you deserve.
Sounds like a lot of "heresay" but not backed by any FACTS......
Exactly.....just like the lie about him getting kicked out. That puts her credibility where it belongs....in the toilet. DNC operative. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 2:33 PM
Sorry you feel that way. I am not sure what you mean by hearsay. Dale Schultz represented my area. A very well respected Republican that disagreed with Walker on many issues because he knew Walker was not telling the truth. I went to listen to Dale speak several times. What is hearsay about that? Dale voted against Walker and Walker had another Republican run against him.
I find it interesting that so many of you who have no idea what Walker has done to the State of Wisconsin feel that you know more that I do when I actually live in the state and see the effects every day of what he has done. Just because he has an "R" behind his name does not make him a good person. He is not.
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Location: Wisconsin | Why is it hearsay? Dale's voting record showed he voted against Scotty. When Dale was interviewed, he explained why he voted against Scotty.
Just because someone has a different view--a person who actually has firsthand knowledge--you get a little defensive.
I am interested to hear what you think about Scotty's employee's getting convicted? Do you think it was all made up about his personal campaign computer being setup and his staff working on his campaign during work time? Since you are so informed about Scotty and I am not, I would like to hear what you have to say? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 2:49 PM
Why is it hearsay? Dale's voting record showed he voted against Scotty. When Dale was interviewed, he explained why he voted against Scotty.
Just because someone has a different view--a person who actually has firsthand knowledge--you get a little defensive.
I am interested to hear what you think about Scotty's employee's getting convicted? Do you think it was all made up about his personal campaign computer being setup and his staff working on his campaign during work time? Since you are so informed about Scotty and I am not, I would like to hear what you have to say?
Are you referring to this?:
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/jan/21/chain-em...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 3:03 PM
No. And that just shows me how uninformed you are about him.
That's useful information, and a very potent counterpoint. I did a quick check on Dale Schultz and it sounds like he has often sided with Democrats on a number of issues. On the collective bargaining issue, it appears he was the only Republcan state senator to side with the Democrats. I see he dropped out in the GOP primary. Gee I wonder why.
You used a lie to discredit Walker in your opening statement, and when I called you on it you accused me of being defensive. Just because someone has an "R" behind his name doesn't make him/her a solid conservative. Now, in the case of the reverse, if someone has a "D" behind his/her name, rest assured they are liberal. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Google "illegal campaigning on taxpayers time". That might help you.
Six of his staff members were convicted of 15 felony indictments--embezzlement, money laundering and staffers mixing state business with campaign efforts.
This was done while Scotty was Milwaukee County Executive and he was running for governor.
He denies any knowledge of what his staff members were doing.
This gives me a warm fuzzing feeling to think he would make a great president. Or is this hearsay also?
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Location: Wisconsin | Dale voted against because he thought everybody should be included and not have the law officers excluded. The reason law officers were not included--the Fitzgerald brother's dad was in charge of the State Patrol. Didn't want to hurt their daddy's benefits. Another example to show that you really don't know Wisconsin politics. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 3:14 PM
Google "illegal campaigning on taxpayers time". That might help you.
Six of his staff members were convicted of 15 felony indictments--embezzlement, money laundering and staffers mixing state business with campaign efforts.
This was done while Scotty was Milwaukee County Executive and he was running for governor.
He denies any knowledge of what his staff members were doing.
This gives me a warm fuzzing feeling to think he would make a great president. Or is this hearsay also?
Source, please?
Is this what you are referring to?:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/scott-walker-eyeing-2016-fac...
All I can determine was that Walker was not implicated. I'm pretty sure he was thoroughly investigated, however.
This isn't news as far as I can tell. Take a look at former Clinton and Obama associates who are felons. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 3:18 PM
Dale voted against because he thought everybody should be included and not have the law officers excluded. The reason law officers were not included--the Fitzgerald brother's dad was in charge of the State Patrol. Didn't want to hurt their daddy's benefits. Another example to show that you really don't know Wisconsin politics.
I must confess I am impressed with your encyclopedic knowledge of rumors, innuendo, and heresay......not so much in terms of facts. The only fact I see coming from you is the fact that you lied. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If you want to talk about associates of politicians who were convicted felons, here's a nice tidy list of "Clinton Convicts" for you:
http://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html
I just scanned it, but I do recognize quite a few names. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Pick up the Wisconsin State Journal or Milwaukee Sentinal. There were many articles on Scotty when all of this happened. I find it interesting when you are wrong, you say I lie. Talk to anybody from Wisconsin. It is very well known about about his staff members being convicted. It was also a hot topic about the unions. Dale was very specific as to why he voted no. It should be all or nothing.
It seems you are having an issue with Scotty being kicked out of Marquette. Do you have any proof that this is a lie? I want to see documentation. All you have is hearsay. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-20 2:49 PM Why is it hearsay? Dale's voting record showed he voted against Scotty. When Dale was interviewed, he explained why he voted against Scotty.
Just because someone has a different view--a person who actually has firsthand knowledge--you get a little defensive.
I am interested to hear what you think about Scotty's employee's getting convicted? Do you think it was all made up about his personal campaign computer being setup and his staff working on his campaign during work time? Since you are so informed about Scotty and I am not, I would like to hear what you have to say?
I am sorry that I asked for FACTS......you are the one getting defensive. You started with a lie and have continued to post.....but I don't SEE any facts.... I prefer to deal in FACTS. I will readily admit that I do not know a lot about Mr. Walker but my voting won't be tied to personal opinions or inuendos (yours OR Dale's). |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-20 12:34 PM If you like him so much, come to Wisconsin--the land of low paying jobs and high taxes. He is backed by the Koch brothers and will say whatever they pay him to say. He was kicked out of Marquette University for cheating and was a poor student in high school (per one of his classmates). Yes, he is one of a kind. Here is proof that what you posted was a lie.........and you can find this information in several places......
With that in mind, we asked Walker if he would allow Marquette to comment on his academic and conduct record. He did.
"Gov. Scott Walker was a student at Marquette from fall of 1986 until spring 1990 and was a senior in good standing when he voluntarily withdrew from Marquette," the university said in a statement.
That means that no conduct issues, academic or otherwise, blocked Walker from continuing in school at the time of his departure, MU spokesman Brian Dorrington told us in early December 2013.
When we asked Dorrington whether any conduct issues were on Walker’s earlier school record, he said Walker would have to permit release of that information. Walker did so in response to our request.
"Governor Walker was in good standing each term while he was enrolled at Marquette University and when he left Marquette University," Associate Vice Provost Anne Deahl said in a letter. "Governor Walker was not expelled or suspended from the university at any time."
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Google "illegal campaigning on taxpayers time". That might help you.
Six of his staff members were convicted of 15 felony indictments--embezzlement, money laundering and staffers mixing state business with campaign efforts.
This was done while Scotty was Milwaukee County Executive and he was running for governor.
He denies any knowledge of what his staff members were doing.
This gives me a warm fuzzing feeling to think he would make a great president. Or is this hearsay also?
Why do you call him Scotty? Do you know him personally? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MYQHFilly - 2015-07-20 3:54 PM
pepsi - 2015-07-20 3:14 PM
Google "illegal campaigning on taxpayers time". That might help you.
Six of his staff members were convicted of 15 felony indictments--embezzlement, money laundering and staffers mixing state business with campaign efforts.
This was done while Scotty was Milwaukee County Executive and he was running for governor.
He denies any knowledge of what his staff members were doing.
This gives me a warm fuzzing feeling to think he would make a great president. Or is this hearsay also?
Why do you call him Scotty? Do you know him personally?
My sources tell me she does know Scotty personally. That's what I "heard". |
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Pick up the Wisconsin State Journal or Milwaukee Sentinal. There were many articles on Scotty when all of this happened. I find it interesting when you are wrong, you say I lie. Talk to anybody from Wisconsin. It is very well known about about his staff members being convicted. It was also a hot topic about the unions. Dale was very specific as to why he voted no. It should be all or nothing.
It seems you are having an issue with Scotty being kicked out of Marquette. Do you have any proof that this is a lie? I want to see documentation. All you have is hearsay.
If you had read the attachment that Hotbear provided you would have answered your own question. The answer is he was in good standing at Marquette and not kicked out as per Marquette. Again nothing but HOGWASH!!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | In all seriousness, I would like to learn more about the SIX staffers convicted on15 felony indictments. Serious request for some factual information. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-20 4:00 PM In all seriousness, I would like to learn more about the SIX staffers convicted on15 felony indictments. Serious request for some factual information. It is true.......However, should a candidate be persecuted for the actions of his aides????
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/02/gov-walker-on-hot-seat-after-emails-show-illegal-dealing-by-aides/
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Location: Wisconsin | Have you ever heard of sarcasm? The joke is that whenever Koch brothers gives him orders, Scotty Walker barks.
I still need proof about Marquette. I have not seen the letter. Do you have a copy? Give me a break. Maybe he was asked to leave. Maybe he wasn't. Do you know what his grade point average was? Do you have proof? He has a reputation of being a poor student. Maybe you don't think that is important in a leader. I happen to think it is. I am entitled to my opinion.
Also, what are your thoughts on his staff members convictions? Is this hearsay? Do you really think he was not aware of what his staff members were doing on the tax payers dime? Do you think this would make him a good leader?
Also, what about my taxes? Is that hearsay? Do you know more about what I pay in taxes in Wisconsin?
I don't know why you guys are getting all worked up about someone sharing their experience of Scott Walker as governor. Am I suppose to tell you he is great--when I know in fact he is not. There are plenty of Republican candidates to pick from. I am just stating my opinion that Scott Walker is not a good person. If you don't agree, that is fine. You don't have to be insulting. However, that seems to be the mindset of a few on this board. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:10 PM Have you ever heard of sarcasm? The joke is that whenever Koch brothers gives him orders, Scotty Walker barks.
I still need proof about Marquette. I have not seen the letter. Do you have a copy? Give me a break. Maybe he was asked to leave. Maybe he wasn't. Do you know what his grade point average was? Do you have proof? He has a reputation of being a poor student. Maybe you don't think that is important in a leader. I happen to think it is. I am entitled to my opinion.
Also, what are your thoughts on his staff members convictions? Is this hearsay? Do you really think he was not aware of what his staff members were doing on the tax payers dime? Do you think this would make him a good leader?
Also, what about my taxes? Is that hearsay? Do you know more about what I pay in taxes in Wisconsin?
I don't know why you guys are getting all worked up about someone sharing their experience of Scott Walker as governor. Am I suppose to tell you he is great--when I know in fact he is not. There are plenty of Republican candidates to pick from. I am just stating my opinion that Scott Walker is not a good person. If you don't agree, that is fine. You don't have to be insulting. However, that seems to be the mindset of a few on this board.
Really? Get real......do you REALLY think that the officials of that university would "allow" their names to be printed ANY WHERE, if it wasn't true? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:17 PM You really don't get sarcasm do you?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Pepsi, you started out on the wrong foot when you lied. It's perfectly understandable to post things that are inaccurate in this day and age, when factual reliable information is hard to come by, but you insist that WE prove Walker was not kicked out of Marquette. Norma and I have posted some information and the sources of that information is clear. You insist on defending your lie. That puts your credibility in the crapper. Even your opinion is not worth very much. If an honest person expresses his/ her opinion, I listen and take note. If a liar gives an opinion, it isn't worth a fried fart to me. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Of course he left in good standing--we know everything done in the offices at universities and in politics is always truthful.
We also know that Scott had no idea that his staff members were running his campaign during office time.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Norma, that ABC article is from about a year and a half ago. Have you seen anything about this since then? It sounds like it was investigated pretty thoroughly.....what was the result? |
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Location: Wisconsin | Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:21 PM
Of course he left in good standing--we know everything done in the offices at universities and in politics is always truthful.
We also know that Scott had no idea that his staff members were running his campaign during office time.
Give me a break.
.....and you are omniscient. You have the inside scoop. Nevermind that you haven't bothered to come up with anything verifiable, in terms of links.
You've already been caught in a lie......why should anyone believe any of your drivel? |
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It was fun playing with you while I was at work. Or as we say in Wisconsin, I was on the computer during Walker time! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-20 4:26 PM Norma, that ABC article is from about a year and a half ago. Have you seen anything about this since then? It sounds like it was investigated pretty thoroughly.....what was the result?
No, I couldn't find anything more current. I am pretty sure that it was investigated thoroughly since it was a THREE year investigation....If they couldn't find any dirt (other than rumors) on him in three years, I think it would be safe to say, they can't PROVE that he knew what was going on. And a person could "assume" that if he did know, at least, one or two of those prosecuted would have turned on him. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM
Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is.
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Location: Wisconsin | Oh thank you Bear. You are proving my point. Sorry I don't have links. Just google. You will find all kinds of articles on Scott. Educate yourself on your candidate if you think he is so great. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2015-07-20 4:32 PM
Bear - 2015-07-20 4:26 PM Norma, that ABC article is from about a year and a half ago. Have you seen anything about this since then? It sounds like it was investigated pretty thoroughly.....what was the result?
No, I couldn't find anything more current. I am pretty sure that it was investigated thoroughly since it was a THREE year investigation....If they couldn't find any dirt (other than rumors) on him in three years, I think it would be safe to say, they can't PROVE that he knew what was going on. And a person could "assume" that if he did know, at least, one or two of those prosecuted would have turned on him.
My thoughts as well. This looks bad, but no evidence anything is linked to Walker. Also he ran for re-election and won in 2014.....after that, it seems they threw that scandal away. |
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Yes. there is no dirt on Scott. He was totally clueless about his staff members. Great qualities for a president.
I like Walker, but I want to know more about him. I like several candidates.
I'm not going to convict or condemn anyone on your lies or rumors. Norman Rockwell once painted a hilarious picture about people like you.
I am impressed that he actually won his elections and recall attempts, especially if he had the likes of you to contend with. He just moved up a notch, in my book. Congratulations.....you just made Walker look even better. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | pepsi - 2015-07-20 2:27 PM Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is.
wow can we just disagree without name calling??
Scott didn't win 3 elections by being a ****ty candidate. I love Scott and love what he did to the unions! Bring on Walker.
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Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is.
I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | komet. - 2015-07-20 3:19 PM pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is. I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president.
geesh degrees aren't everything! Hopefully you have more questions about Hillary and Obama?
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Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is.
I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president.
Like Bill Gates?
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komet. - 2015-07-20 3:19 PM pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is. I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president.
Maybe not.. But 4 years out of a lifetime and all that money just pi$$ed away... That tells me he could decide that all Americans can be made to sacrifice on that level if he is put in charge of making decisions in this country... |
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pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM
Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is.
I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president.
Like Bill Gates?
I think I heard his explanation once, and it seemed reasonable. He was an average student.
Oh you THINK you heard the reason and it SEEMED reasonable.. Got any documentation? I've been searching and everything I find is very vague on why all of a sudden he just QUIT. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-20 6:44 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 6:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 5:19 PM pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is. I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president. Like Bill Gates? I think I heard his explanation once, and it seemed reasonable. He was an average student. Oh you THINK you heard the reason and it SEEMED reasonable.. Got any documentation? I've been searching and everything I find is very vague on why all of a sudden he just QUIT.
From what I have read is that Walker left college for a full time job with the American Red Cross AND to start his political career....I believe his studies were in a political science major. |
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komet. - 2015-07-20 6:44 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 6:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 5:19 PM pepsi - 2015-07-20 4:27 PM Sorry Bear. I don't buy it from you. I really have no respect for you as a person or as a doctor. To be perfectly honest, if I had you as a doctor, I would run out of the room. You are too mean spirited and opinionated to be a good doctor in my opinion.
I know you think it is hearsay, but here in Wisconsin there are a lot of rumors about why he left Marquette. Sometimes, there is a a hint of truth in rumors especially with his reputation as a student.
He has put Wisconsin in the crapper. He would do the same thing to this country. But hey, if you think he is great, come live here & see how great it really is. I have to admit, I'm curious why he would devote 4 years of his life to quit just one semester short of getting his degree if he was in such good standing... Makes me wonder if he would do the same thing as president. Like Bill Gates? I think I heard his explanation once, and it seemed reasonable. He was an average student. Oh you THINK you heard the reason and it SEEMED reasonable.. Got any documentation? I've been searching and everything I find is very vague on why all of a sudden he just QUIT.
Yes... another carrier politician... Same thing that has been running this country for a long time. Hows that working out for you? I, for one, am tired fed up with these people. |
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If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape.
He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. |
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Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM
If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape.
He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo..
34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying?
If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I think this gives a little more insight as to why he didn't finish his college courses. He also made the statement in another interview that he didn't go to school to just get an education but to get a JOB. Additionally, I would like to hear from a few more who live in WI and their thoughts. Two disgruntled opinions doesn't cut it for me....He was elected, survived a recall and was RE-ELECTED......It seems that he has more support than not, doesn't it????
In a his State of the State speech in 2013, the governor gave a few more details about that time of his life: "During my senior year at Marquette University, I was offered a full-time job at the American Red Cross. I thought I would squeeze in a course here or there and finish things off in a year or two, but then Tonette and I got married. Then we had Matt. And then came Alex. Next thing you know, you're putting all your extra time and money into your kids."
Walker worked for four years at the American Red Cross, handling its marketing and fundraising efforts.
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Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say? His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load. Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2015-07-20 9:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. In a his State of the State speech in 2013, the governor gave a few more details about that time of his life: "During my senior year at Marquette University, I was offered a full-time job at the American Red Cross. I thought I would squeeze in a course here or there and finish things off in a year or two, but then Tonette and I got married. Then we had Matt. And then came Alex. Next thing you know, you're putting all your extra time and money into your kids." Walker worked for four years at the American Red Cross, handling its marketing and fundraising efforts.
I do remember his explanation, now that you mention it, Norma. Seems like an honest one to me. He wasn't flunking out or in trouble. He was just an average student, so this makes sense. Sounds like he fell in love and his priorities changed...he became responsible for someone besides himself. |
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Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say? His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load. Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown.
I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey?
I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had. |
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Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say? His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load. Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown.
I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey?
I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
What lies, Huey? Show me the lies. So far I don't see any.....except your "opinion" that he lied.
A lot of poor people go to college....I came from a poor family as well. That said, college isn't for everyone, obviously. |
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I don't understand where you are going with this. I could care crap less that he dropped out or finished. I graduated high school and became nothing. My father dropped out of the 7th grade and became the first computer annalist on the first command and control computers installed in the pentagon... When it comes down to basic analytical skills and the use of common sense I never met anyone smarter than my father, and I don't even like him... But I'll tell you what. I never caught him in a lie. If you think attendance to school is some kind of litmus test proving honesty and integrity, you are mistaken. |
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Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t.
I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say? His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load. Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown.
I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey?
I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
What lies, Huey? Show me the lies. So far I don't see any.....except your "opinion" that he lied.
A lot of poor people go to college....I came from a poor family as well. That said, college isn't for everyone, obviously.
Oh please. He's a carrier politician. You don't think he lies for a living??? You are foolish!! |
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I wasn't making his college record an issue, Huey....you did.
You are all over the place on this.
No, I was making an issue over what he claims about his school days. You claim you don't know how many credits you finished with and I believe you. But I'll bet you were keeping track of how many you needed to complete your degree when you were in school. |
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I don't understand where you are going with this. I could care crap less that he dropped out or finished. I graduated high school and became nothing. My father dropped out of the 7th grade and became the first computer annalist on the first command and control computers installed in the pentagon... When it comes down to basic analytical skills and the use of common sense I never met anyone smarter than my father, and I don't even like him... But I'll tell you what. I never caught him in a lie. If you think attendance to school is some kind of litmus test proving honesty and integrity, you are mistaken.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2015-07-21 2:55 AM I like how he handles himself, I like that he's not afraid to get tough on media. I wish he had finished college. I can't stand liars so I'm going to have to check some of this out. All part of the vetting process.
???? I don't think that he has ever lied about leaving college before he graduated. Regarding his "aides", it would be hard to prove IF he knew anything.....and none of those arrested said that he did. There was a THREE YEAR investigation....plenty of time and effort to dig up dirt IF there was any to be had........
eta: I agree that every candidate needs to be vetted.....Out of 16 (or now 17), he has risen to the top five of my list ..... but we have a LONG way to go......LOL
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Location: Wisconsin | If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out. |
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If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out.
What am I missing here, Pepsi? I did a double take, but it seems to me your property taxes have declined since Walker was elected. At any rate, over the past 9 years I would say that your propert taxes have been remarkably stable. What's your point?
In my opinion, Wisconsin is a liberal state, just like Minnesota. Both states have conservative rural areas, but the urban areas are heavily infested with liberals.
What does Tammy Baldwin have to do with this discussion? She's one of the most liberal senators in the senate. What does her sexual orientation have to do with this? Why did you point that out?
What exactly did Walker do to reduce your income? Real income has declined significantly since Obama was elected, hasn't it?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 8:58 AM If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out. You need to educate yourself on property taxes. Your property tax depends on the decisions made by your LOCAL government to determine the "millage rate" for your city, county, etc. and the value that your LOCAL assessor gives your property. Your property tax is then distributed to YOUR LOCAL municipality's residents.....has nothing to so with STATE. Additionally, from all that I have read, your state (payroll) tax percentage has decreased.
I would be interested to know your thoughts regarding his welfare reform programs.
eta: for spelling.....lol
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Location: The edge of no where | komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
Being poor is a reason not to go to college? They do offer scholorships (I had them) and worked.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong.
"Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had."
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| pepsi - 2015-07-21 8:58 AM
If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out.
So your Property taxes are lower now than when he took over. That's a bad thing? How is your lower income Walkers fault? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2015-07-21 9:22 AM pepsi - 2015-07-21 8:58 AM If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out. So your Property taxes are lower now than when he took over. That's a bad thing? How is your lower income Walkers fault?
LOL....I think you and Scott are mistaken....her property taxes are higher....from bottom to top..... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-21 9:33 AM Uffda Norma! You aren't helping! LOL !!!! I explained property taxes to her on the last page.....doesn't that count?
eta: I just noticed that they did go up but then went BACK DOWN ! ! !
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Location: Wisconsin | It is like talking to a brick wall.
I brought up Tammy to show that Wisconsin is known as a purple state--we elected both Walker and Baldwin--but of course, you know more that I do. It is very evident you just want to be argumentative and that is fine.
I am interested to listen to Walker's views on immigration. We spend millions of dollars every year on the illegals to cover their health care, legal fees, etc. We pay for their baby's births, we pay for their attorney when they get picked up for drunk driving, we pay for their interpreter when they go to court and apply for benefits . Heck, the illegals have better benefits than I do. Walker didn't do anything because so many of our area farmers hire the illegals and he didnt' want to lose their support. Now that he is running for president, his view has changed.
Also, unemployment is very high in Milwaukee County and in the tribal counties. I really don't know the answer to help with that. People have to be motivated to work and obviously in those areas, a lot of the population does not want to work. Walker hasn't been able to figure that one out but I am sure he will come up with an answer when he is president.
Now go ahead and pick apart my statements. I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
Also, please expalin to me your thoughts on his promise to create 250,000 jobs in Wisconsin in which he failed to do. Thank you. |
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| NJJ - 2015-07-21 9:29 AM
jbhoot - 2015-07-21 9:22 AM pepsi - 2015-07-21 8:58 AM If you think he would make a good president based on busting the unions, great. But please don't vote for him if you think he will increase jobs and decrease taxes. He has not done that in Wisconsin. He promised if elected he would create 250,000 jobs. He doesn't say a word about that now because he was unable do it.
Walker was elected as governor in 2011. My property taxes for the last several years:
2014: $2,120.49
2013: $2,192.93
2012: $2,241.16
2011: $2,219.46
2010: $2,379.98
2009: $2,316.11
2008: $2,173.83
2007: $2,045.23
2006: $1,946.19
When I get a chance, I will look at my income taxes but it will tell a similar story. Meanwhile, my income has decreased.
Also, Wisconsin is not a liberal state. We are known as a purple state. Madison is known as liberal. I live in a rural community that always votes Republican as does the majority of the rural areas.
The same year we voted Scott as governor, we voted Tammy Baldwin as a senator--a lesbian democratic candidate.
Please do your research on your candidates. I know with many of you it will not matter what I say to change your mind--and that is OK. But for the people that want to know facts about job creation and taxes, just ask and I will see what I can find out. So your Property taxes are lower now than when he took over. That's a bad thing? How is your lower income Walkers fault?
No NJJ her taxes are lower from the time that Walker take over in 2011. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ahhhhh!!!! You are both saying the same thing! Her property taxes increased from 2006 - 2010, when the Wisconsin governor was a Democrat, then from 2011-2014 they declined. This is all a tempest in a teapot anyway, because there really hasn't been enough of a change over the 9 years to be that riled up about anyway. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I was just trying to show that he has not decreased taxes nor created jobs in Wisconsin. However, I am sure most of you will interpret this in whatever way you want. |
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| pepsi - 2015-07-21 9:56 AM
I was just trying to show that he has not decreased taxes nor created jobs in Wisconsin. However, I am sure most of you will interpret this in whatever way you want.
AS per PolitiFact In his 4 year term he created 146,795 new jobs. or 59% of promised 250,000. Not perfect but considering he stood for three elections during that period not bad IMO. |
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Location: Wisconsin | How is that compared to nationwide? |
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Location: Wisconsin | This may help:
Walker's "accomplishments" in Wisconsin
50th in the US in Short Term Job Growth - US Chamber of Commerce
49th in Economic Outlook - Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia
49th in Job Growth through 2016 - Forbes Magazine
45th in the Nation in Wage Growth - Burea of Labor Statstics
44th in the Nation in Job Growth - Burea of Labor Statistices
42nd Best for Business - Forbes Magazine. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 9:56 AM I was just trying to show that he has not decreased taxes nor created jobs in Wisconsin. However, I am sure most of you will interpret this in whatever way you want.
Please read my description of property taxes on the previous page.....the increase has nothing to do with STATE government! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2015-07-21 10:22 AM Yep, those statistics suck. I agree.....but you have to take into account the mess he was handed when he took office. Here is a table of what he has done trying to bring WI back from the brink of economic failure.... eta: through 2014
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Before he took office he inherited a mess.
Actually, like most other states, Wisconsin's unemployment has fallen to around 4.5% in the past year...with the national unemployment rate at about 5.5%.
Wisconsin became a "right to work" state, under Walker. That's a huge accomplishment. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Oh my God. After reading the last 5 pages I realize how wrong I am. All of you that live outside of Wisconsin know so much more than me. Tonight, with all of my Wisconsin friends, I will sit around the fire and sing kumbaya and we will tell ourselves how wonderful Scott Walker has made our lives.
This forum shows that no matter what the numbers show, Scott Walker will be liked by you since he is a republican. If he was a democrat and had the numbers he has and the staff convictions under his administration, you would be howling.
Give me a break.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-21 1:03 PM
Oh my God. After reading the last 5 pages I realize how wrong I am. All of you that live outside of Wisconsin know so much more than me. Tonight, with all of my Wisconsin friends, I will sit around the fire and sing kumbaya and we will tell ourselves how wonderful Scott Walker has made our lives.
This forum shows that no matter what the numbers show, Scott Walker will be liked by you since he is a republican. If he was a democrat and had the numbers he has and the staff convictions under his administration, you would be howling.
Give me a break.
I am not a Republican.....too many are too liberal.
If Walker is so unpopular with Wisconsinites, then explain how he was re-elected. Also, explain how he easily won the recall election, even though the liberals threw everything at him but the kitchen sink. The union thugs tried everything. The DNC brought in their heavyweights, including Clinton....yet he still won.
Then again, I must confess, Obama was re-elected, so what can I say? In the interest of honesty and fairness, I had to admit this.
Time will tell, my friend, but if you want to make a case for sonething, don't start it out with a lie (the one where you said he was "kicked out" of Marquette). Once people recognize that, you will always have an uphill battle. If you have a strong case to make, don't embellish it with lies.
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| As a self employed person and not on a government payroll. I like Walker. As far as jobs it took us 1 1/2 yrs of fill a spot at our place, nobody wanted to work that hard.. If people want to work they will, and if they don't they won't. Property taxes are set by township and county not by the state mandate. IF you don't like your property taxes then move.
I believe that he makes people more responsible for themselves and their own future, and yes that will **** off a lot of people, But is it wrong?
His college is nor here nor there, I have friends that never even graduated high school and they are making 6 figures and some running million dollar companies. So that is a poor argument. And on the other hand I know many people with degrees asking you if you need more fries. Again if you want a good life, take responsibility for yourself and make it the old fashion way. Work for it.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Location: Wisconsin | Can someone please explain to me why his numbers are so low compared to other states in his accomplishments?
The reason I brought up the taxes is because he always says he has lowered taxes & he has not. Yes, he decreased them on a state level so then our taxes have to be increased on the local level.
Thank God my REPUBLICAN representative voted against the recent budget. The current budget really hurts rural areas. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 1:03 PM Oh my God. After reading the last 5 pages I realize how wrong I am. All of you that live outside of Wisconsin know so much more than me. Tonight, with all of my Wisconsin friends, I will sit around the fire and sing kumbaya and we will tell ourselves how wonderful Scott Walker has made our lives.
This forum shows that no matter what the numbers show, Scott Walker will be liked by you since he is a republican. If he was a democrat and had the numbers he has and the staff convictions under his administration, you would be howling.
Give me a break.
Really? I don't see where anyone has said that they know MORE than you but you have presented very few FACTS.....only disgruntled opinions and rumors. You started with a "lie" about his education. You used property taxes as an argument against him and have been proven WRONG......
I asked you a question regarding his welfare reform but you can't (or won't) answer that...
You accuse anyone who is actually discussing and trying to learn about him only doing so because he is a Republican.....WRONG.....I will vote for the MAN and I don't care what party he belongs to ...... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 1:22 PM Can someone please explain to me why his numbers are so low compared to other states in his accomplishments?
The reason I brought up the taxes is because he always says he has lowered taxes & he has not. Yes, he decreased them on a state level so then our taxes have to be increased on the local level.
Thank God my REPUBLICAN representative voted against the recent budget. The current budget really hurts rural areas.
Because if you look at the graphic that I posted, he inherited 3.6 BILLION in deficit....you don't dig out of that kind of hole in just a few years...... |
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Location: Wisconsin | And I asked you about why his "accomplishments" are so low compared to other states and you have not answered that.
My only first hand knowledge about welfare reform is this. A person has to no longer go to the local Department of Social Services to apply for benefits. They can apply online and the application is now processed by a consortium over the computer. Scott consolidated the offices to reduce staff and allowed online applications. In my rural community, families are well known and we usually know when they are tying to pull something over on us.
Now with the new streamline method, fraudulent claims have increased.
He hasn't really made any changes in the amount or type of benefits. Wisconsin does not have welfare. We have W-2 payments where a person has to go to job training in order to get cash assistance. We also have food stamps, child care assistance, medical assistance and/or badgercare.
Less staff but more fraudulent claims.
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Location: Wisconsin | How does the deficit that he inherited explain why we are 49th in job growth thru 2016? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-21 1:34 PM
And I asked you about why his "accomplishments" are so low compared to other states and you have not answered that.
My only first hand knowledge about welfare reform is this. A person has to no longer go to the local Department of Social Services to apply for benefits. They can apply online and the application is now processed by a consortium over the computer. Scott consolidated the offices to reduce staff and allowed online applications. In my rural community, families are well known and we usually know when they are tying to pull something over on us.
Now with the new streamline method, fraudulent claims have increased.
He hasn't really made any changes in the amount or type of benefits. Wisconsin does not have welfare. We have W-2 payments where a person has to go to job training in order to get cash assistance. We also have food stamps, child care assistance, medical assistance and/or badgercare.
Less staff but more fraudulent claims.
Can you please provide us with some information on this? As the saying goes, "The devil's in the details." I wouldn't be surprised to learn you are correct, but I want to see more about this. I want to know if/how this is Walker's fault, if it indeed is true. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-21 1:39 PM
How does the deficit that he inherited explain why we are 49th in job growth thru 2016?
This is a good question. It sounds to me that job growth was abysmal for quite some time before Walker took office in 2011. I do know that the improvements in unemployment numbers are pretty impressive....better than most. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I don't know how to provide any more "proof" about applying for benefits. Call a county department of social services in Wisconsin and ask how to apply for benefits. Better yet, go on line. I don't remember when the change was implemented but I know it was done under Walker and it is statewide. |
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Location: Wisconsin | And remember, unemployment numbers can be deceiving. Just like they can be nationwide. A lot of people have run out benefits or just quit looking.
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Location: Wisconsin | Riden Fly, I agree with you. He really divided Wisconsin. However, things have settled down. Because of his dismal performance, his supporters aren't so vocal now.
The sad part is, I don't know if there is anyone running for office that I believe can get us out of this mess. I don't think Walker has the ability to do it. However, if you think the Koch brothers can, go ahead and vote for him. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2015-07-21 1:58 PM Can I ask why some of us are so adamant in defending Mr. Walker? (I don't know him, so no Scotty for me.) My point is, there are some great points about him, for sure, but no matter how you slice it, his stats aren't that spectacular.
I am sorry that you feel that presenting FACTS or asking for facts is defending him......HOW do you vet a candidate????? Blindly accept whatever is thrown out there as opinions or rumors....tsk! tsk! |
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Location: Wisconsin | NJJ I think people are tired of fighting. Obama did nothing to pull us together as a country. Walker would be the same way and that is a "fact". We have already experienced that here in Wisconsin. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 2:19 PM NJJ I think people are tired of fighting. Obama did nothing to pull us together as a country. Walker would be the same way and that is a "fact". We have already experienced that here in Wisconsin.
I am not fighting with you but I just found your "source" for your statistics......it was TWO YEARS AGO..........Jobs & Economy in the Republican Budget
While many other states are starting to see improvement in their overall economic health, Wisconsin continues to lag behind. Statistic after statistic shows Wisconsin among the bottom states for economic growth. Below is a summary of where Wisconsin ranks with regard to job creation and economic development:
*Wisconsin ranks 42nd as best state for business. (Forbes Magazine's Annual "Best States for Business" rankings, December 2012)
*Wisconsin ranks 44th in the nation in job growth. (Bureau of Labor Statistics--Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, 3rd Quarter 2012)
*Wisconsin ranks 45th in wage growth. (Bureau of Labor Statistics--Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, 3rd Quarter 2012)
*Wisconsin ranks 49th in economic outlook. (Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia leading index report, April 2013)
*Wisconsin will be 49th in job growth through 2016. (Forbes Magazine's Annual "Best States for Business" rankings, December 2012)
*Wisconsin ranks 50th in short-term job growth. (U.S. Chamber of Commerce "Enterprising States" Study, April 2013) |
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Location: Wisconsin | Can you find anything more current? Because to tell you the truth and believe me it is the truth, things around here really haven't changed too much. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | pepsi - 2015-07-21 2:35 PM Can you find anything more current? Because to tell you the truth and believe me it is the truth, things around here really haven't changed too much.
That certainly may be....and I appreciate your insight......we have a long way to go before the election so we will just have to see what is discovered.........I did just read that he was leading the Iowa polls (of course, he is almost "local" boy to them....lol) |
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Location: Wisconsin | No military background that I am familiar with. On immigration, try googling Scott Walker immigration Plainview Iowa. There was an article recently when Scott was in Iowa and a family approached him about his stance on immigration. Scott has flip-flopped on this issue. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | From WI born raised love my home state.....I am 28 have seen my state from a small child who's father had to travel and leave the state for year's to get work during the Doyle year( he was a union sheetmetle worker) my mom had to go back to work in 03 because there wasn't any work thanks to Doyle....when I officialy entered the work force in 05 I could not find work ....I worked for tips at a dude ranch.....gas was 3.50 a gal min wage 7.25....by the time I put my self through collage and Doyle had been gov for quite some time I couldn't even get a job in 08...I worked for cash under the table....I voted for walker. I know my parents who still live there have nothing but good things to say about walker as do both my non union brother's who work construction. They are younger then me and neither had any problem getting a great paying job. My sister who didn't go to collage till 2 years ago (she is 30)had no problem finding a job in her field when she graduated in 2014. My grandma is a retired public school teacher....she was very worried about her retirement when walker changed the school union stuff. But nothing has changed for her. She would be the first to tell you that their were plenty of told bittys that were still teaching from when she was just for the free health care..... |
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Location: Wisconsin | That is great that your grandmother's pension has so far not been taken by Walker. Hopefully that will never happen. Do you live in rural Wisconsin? My husband is a master plumber that worked construction. In order to get a job after Walker was elected he had to drive over 2 hrs for a job. He finally stopped plumbing--wasn't worth paying the licensing fees, completing his continuing education verses the pay that was offered in rural Wisconsin. He is now in natural gas which is a lot more stable at the moment.
I live in a town of about 3,000. We lost over 20 teachers after Walker was elected--our entire high school English Department. A good friend of mine teaches in town. She thought Walker had some good ideas. Her husand is a manager of a local factory--help local businesses. My friend, the teacher, only has a bachelor degree but is a great teacher. She was hoping he would implement merit pay based on performance. She is still waiting. Didn't happen. Just a loss in benefits and take home pay.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Pepsi, serious question....who is your favored candidate at this point?
Bottom line is, thank God, we have plenty of time to take a hard look at the candidates. I lived in Wisconsin for 5 years in the early 80s, and I know they are fantastic Midwestern people. The liberals are largely concentrated in Madison and Milwaukee. Rural people tend to be quite conservative. It's a lot like Minnesota that way.
I like Walker a lot, but there are others who I like in this field of candidates. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I'd take any of them over Billary. They will all get a pretty thorough vetting, but it's up to us to stay on top of developments and become engaged in the process...including debates. The worst possible thing would be apathy. Nobody who posted on this thread sounds apathetic to me. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | pepsi - 2015-07-21 4:37 PMThat is great that your grandmother's pension has so far not been taken by Walker. Hopefully that will never happen. Do you live in rural Wisconsin? My husband is a master plumber that worked construction. In order to get a job after Walker was elected he had to drive over 2 hrs for a job. He finally stopped plumbing--wasn't worth paying the licensing fees, completing his continuing education verses the pay that was offered in rural Wisconsin. He is now in natural gas which is a lot more stable at the moment.
I live in a town of about 3,000. We lost over 20 teachers after Walker was elected--our entire high school English Department. A good friend of mine teaches in town. She thought Walker had some good ideas. Her husand is a manager of a local factory--help local businesses. My friend, the teacher, only has a bachelor degree but is a great teacher. She was hoping he would implement merit pay based on performance. She is still waiting. Didn't happen. Just a loss in benefits and take home pay.
A lot of us were hoping for merit pay so that good workers would be rewarded like in the private sector and the bad employees weeded out. Didn't happen. I will assume this is directed to me. Yes we lived in rural WI 17 mile to a town of any size. Like I said my dad always had to travel(2 hous would have been an easy drive) he drove back and forth from river falls and MSP for over 4 years every day we lived. 17 miles out side of Sparta) until he just gave up and retired from the union and worked odd jobs.....Kwik trip is an awesome company to work for they are almost always hiring awesome benefits . but they expect their employees to WORK.
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komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong."Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had."
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MS2011 - 2015-07-21 9:18 AM
komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong."Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had."
In 1977 the only scholarships were for brainyacts or jocks...
Should be that way still
But alas, it is not.
A BA/BS is the new HS Diploma
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As for the others, time will tell.
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Location: SE Louisiana | magic gunsmoke - 2015-07-21 11:18 PM
My favorite part about all this is the media on Donald Trump. Just Google Donald Trump memes and that is some great entertainment. As for the others, time will tell.
I love the fact that the media is flabbergasted and can't figure out what to do. They've been controlling the spin on elections for so long they take it for granted. NBC ran an article saying the media is fueling his campaign. Between, June 12th and July 14th Trump got more coverage than all the rest combined. What they don't bother to mention is it was all bad press, attacking him... An Ohio newspaper has called for him to step out of the race. (like they speak for the American people) The people see this for what it is and still support him. The media is so pi$$ed that they can't control the spin on him that Huff-Puff won't even report on him anymore. I laughed so hard at that!! |
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Location: Wisconsin | Bear, I don't have any idea who I will vote for. There are so many candidates and I honestly don't know enough about most of them to make a decision.
Rodeo Cowgirl. Please ask your grandma if she would be happy to have her take home pay reduced by 10% while she was teaching. After Walker's changes were implemented, that is what happened in Wisconsin because of the increased contributions made to their health insurance and pension and a wage freeze. If a teacher was able to retire, they did because they would have more take home pay retired that continuing teaching. We lost a lot of good, experienced teachers. However, the bad teachers are still teaching. Nothing has been implemented to evaulate a teacher's performance and nothing has been done to give raises to the good teachers. I know a couple of college graduates with education degrees left Wisconsin and obtained jobs in Minnesota and some college students changed majors. I think if this same course continues we will soon be in the same situation as South Dakota.
Also Rodeo Cowgirl, soon after my husband changed jobs, he went to a meeting in the Tomah/Sparta area. He couldn't believe how much more construction was going on there. We couldn't justify the costs incurred with traveling and other fees to continue plumbing in Wisconsin. I am fortunate that my husband has many talents and changed occupations once again.
Our parents are older and need our assistance. However, once our parents are gone we would love to leave Wisconsin and move closer to where are daughter plans on going to college.
I have been around a while. I have seen the results of a good Governor--Tommy Thompson. And I have the results of bad Governors--Jim Doyle and Scott Walker.
If you want to do more research on Walker, please look up his Economic Development Agency. I don't think he will say much about this on the campaign trail.
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Location: The edge of no where | komet. - 2015-07-21 8:44 PM MS2011 - 2015-07-21 9:18 AM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 9:15 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 9:09 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 8:37 PM komet. - 2015-07-20 8:17 PM Bear - 2015-07-20 7:56 PM If his dropping out of college during his 4th year to work for the Red Cross is his biggest negative, he's in pretty good shape. He dropped out because he was 34 credits short... He couldn't even pay attention in his vaunted political science class.. Of course he claims he never looked up his score and never knew how many credits he had or needed to graduate. Yeah, this is just exactly what we need in the white house. He lies worse than obozo.. 34 credits is about 2 semesters, I'm guessing. Why do you say he's lying? If he didn't pay attention during classes and decided to drop out, I'd say that was a wise choice. Good for him.....obviously it served him well. Bill Gates dropped out and it served him well. Maybe his not paying attention during political science class was because he didn't buy into some liberal professor's bullsh!t. I say he is lying because I grew up in a college town and have met 100s of students... I never met one that didn't know exactly how many credits they had and how many they needed to finish school... Right down to 1/4 credit. But what does he say?
His credit total is 34 short of the 128 minimum needed to graduate in one major, a total that requires an average of 16 per semester. Walker told the 1990 yearbook interviewer he was triple majoring in political science, philosophy and economics; that likely would have meant an even heavier load.
Asked now about the apparent discrepancy, Walker told us he wasn’t sure exactly how many credits he needed because he hasn’t looked it up.
This guy is so full of $*it his eyes are brown. I don't remember how many credits I finished with. How many did you finish with, Huey? I was from a poor family Doc.. I never went... Does that matter on the subject of his lies? That does not say much for you tho. Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had.
I have a nifty degree stashed somewhere....and haven't the slightest clue how many credits it took to get it. Asked a couple of my friends (with 4 year degrees) how many credits it took to graduate...none of them could remember either. So speaking from a group of people with degrees, I'd say your statement is wrong.
"Even the people that went there to party for four years knew how many credits they had."
In 1977 the only scholarships were for brainyacts or jocks...
They're given on merit... you do have to work for them. 1977 was a long time ago to still be whining about, get over it. I suppose you've been far too busy since to enroll? There's a lot of adults that go later in life. Typically the type of adults that take responsibility for their own sucess and aren't afraid to work for what they want. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So, scholarships were given to brainiacs and jocks in 1977. What's wrong with that? Putting athletic scholarships aside, upon what else should scholarships be based, besides academic achievement? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-22 9:20 AM
Bear, I don't have any idea who I will vote for. There are so many candidates and I honestly don't know enough about most of them to make a decision.
Rodeo Cowgirl. Please ask your grandma if she would be happy to have her take home pay reduced by 10% while she was teaching. After Walker's changes were implemented, that is what happened in Wisconsin because of the increased contributions made to their health insurance and pension and a wage freeze. If a teacher was able to retire, they did because they would have more take home pay retired that continuing teaching. We lost a lot of good, experienced teachers. However, the bad teachers are still teaching. Nothing has been implemented to evaulate a teacher's performance and nothing has been done to give raises to the good teachers. I know a couple of college graduates with education degrees left Wisconsin and obtained jobs in Minnesota and some college students changed majors. I think if this same course continues we will soon be in the same situation as South Dakota.
Also Rodeo Cowgirl, soon after my husband changed jobs, he went to a meeting in the Tomah/Sparta area. He couldn't believe how much more construction was going on there. We couldn't justify the costs incurred with traveling and other fees to continue plumbing in Wisconsin. I am fortunate that my husband has many talents and changed occupations once again.
Our parents are older and need our assistance. However, once our parents are gone we would love to leave Wisconsin and move closer to where are daughter plans on going to college.
I have been around a while. I have seen the results of a good Governor--Tommy Thompson. And I have the results of bad Governors--Jim Doyle and Scott Walker.
If you want to do more research on Walker, please look up his Economic Development Agency. I don't think he will say much about this on the campaign trail.
I suspect Walkers initiatives hit you hard,mpersonally, when he took on collective bargaining by public sector unions. Walker effectively pointed out how taxpayers ultimately pay the price for underfunding of public sector unions. Basically your Ox was gored, and none of us wants our ox to be gored.
This article from Forbes does a good job of highlighting the problem.....read it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/09/11/public-pensio... |
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Location: Wisconsin | Wisconsin has a very healthy retirement system. Please look at www.swib.state.wi.us/WRS.aspx.
Luckily because of the mismanagement of his Economic Development Agency, I don't think our government would allow Walker to change our take over the pension. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-22 10:40 AM
Wisconsin has a very healthy retirement system. Please look at www.swib.state.wi.us/WRS.aspx.
Luckily because of the mismanagement of his Economic Development Agency, I don't think our government would allow Walker to change our take over the pension.
He's trying to "take over" your pension? Please provide some proof of this. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Sorry typo. I meant to say "change" our pension--not take over. I just remember talk of changing the pension but that quickly died since Wisconsin's pension system is so healthy.
Look at JS online to do research on your candidate. There was an arcticle entitled Walker Plans No Changes to State Retirement System dated July 2, 2012.
As a voter I think it is MY responsibility to do research on the candidate.
Read articles from both the Wisconsin State Journal and Milwaukee Sentinel if you want to educate yourself on Walker. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Please explain your pension to me, Pepsi. What kind of pension? Obviously it's a public sector pension. How did Walker actually change your pension?
I'm just trying to understand how Walker changed your pension and who went along with it. Like I suspected, you blame him for goring your Ox. |
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Location: Wisconsin | In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
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In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
Wow, that's sounds reasonable. We pay 25% of our health care and have a $5,000.00 deductable. Highest paid employee is 16.00/hr. The company pays the other 75% of our health insurance. Most companies pay 50% is what I have been told. The company I work at is small - 20 employees on average this year. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM
In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
I sure don't! When Obamascrewme insurance came into play we went from $300.00 a month with a $250.00 deductible to over $900.00 a month with a $5,000.00 deductible. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I knew this was behind her hatred of Walker. Her Ox was gored.
Now her health insurance requires a small personal contribution, when in the private sector this would be one of the best benefits around. This is exactly how government enslaves people. Walker had to make tough choices, given the defecit he inherited. Yes, he ran it like a business. He had to be the heavy. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
This makes no sense since my Dad had VA insurance until the day he died a few years back and he was in his 90's. A friend of ours was in Viet Nam and he always had health insurance through them until the day he died, which was a few years back and he was in his early 60's. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | State and Federal governments got themselves into financial problems from giving all this "free" benefits to government workers. No different with the auto workers. Unions were great getting higher wages and giving benefits away but never figured out when all these people would start retiring that there would be enough money to pay for it. My husband paid into a private pension and they are doing good so the state of Illinois tried to change the Illinois Constitution so they could go in and steal their pension money to pay the government pensions. Socialism and Unions doing what they do best. Steal from others. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2015-07-22 6:27 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
^^^^ THIS.....my father, brothers, uncles and husband have all had free health care through the VA |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Nevertooold - 2015-07-22 6:27 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
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komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | .....and I think the vets could get better care, for less money, than what the VA provides. The VA provides marginal care in some cases, and good care in others. Many, if not most, vets get only routine maintenence care at the VA.
The minute something big pops up, most vets prefer to seek out care in the private sector, if they have private insurance, or can pay out of pocket.
Last I checked, they had a $55 Billion budget for healthcare alone. If a vet goes to the VA for a rash, or a bottle of aspirin, the Feds count him as a recipient of VA benefits.....a grossly misleading distortion. They do this to get grossly exaggerated numbers. Then we have these recent scandals that rocked the VA bureaucracy.
I think they could serve vets better by giving them a stipend with which they can purchase their own, or provide them with the same insurance congress has. JMO |
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Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1) reason I don't trust the government anymore. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away?
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Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
So if it's a contract, why haven't they been successfully sued for breach of contract?
By the way, I don't trust the government either. Do you receive any government benefits? |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
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komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
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Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away?
I don't remember which administration it was, but I want to say it was Clinton's... Decided to modify the old agreements. All I know was all of a sudden he had to start paying for CHAMPUS he was promised as free and it still doesn't cover him for everything it used to. |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me.
When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway.
Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago.
CONTRACT!!!
In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them.
He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get.
Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey?
You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
So if it's a contract, why haven't they been successfully sued for breach of contract?
By the way, I don't trust the government either. Do you receive any government benefits?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 7:57 PM jbhoot - 2015-07-22 7:34 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Ok I will bite. How did your father's VA. health care get taken away? I don't remember which administration it was, but I want to say it was Clinton's... Decided to modify the old agreements. All I know was all of a sudden he had to start paying for CHAMPUS he was promised as free and it still doesn't cover him for everything it used to.
I still don't understand....CHAMPUS administers health care to CIVILIANS (federal empolyeees, etc) and spouses (& Children) of military personnel. YOU would have been covered by it but certainly NOT your father if he was a member of the military....... |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"? I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here. In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65. Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over. http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Thank you for that information but I am still confused....My husband is 71 years old and gets free VA care. He does pay Part A & B Medicare ($104/month) and VA bills them first.....but he pays nothing. |
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NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong?
It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing.
If he was honorably discharged after 20 years he can walk into any VA Hospital in the country and get free care.
If he chooses to not use the VA(don't blame him) tri-care will handle any public sector/private care. It takes some hoops to jump thru but it is done every day.
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-07-22 8:23 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"? I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here. In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65. Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over. http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu... Thank you for that information but I am still confused....My husband is 71 years old and gets free VA care. He does pay Part A & B Medicare ($104/month) and VA bills them first.....but he pays nothing.
He was only 62 when they passed this but he lost his free care when this happened. |
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| komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans. |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them. |
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| komet. - 2015-07-22 9:00 PM
jbhoot - 2015-07-22 8:53 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them.
Oh for crying out loud Komet READ YOUR OWN ATTACHMENT!!!! It is still free for the basic Tricare. Your Fathers CONTRACT WAS NOT BROKEN. It may not have been the health care he wanted but it was still free. And so is any VA facility. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-07-22 9:17 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 9:00 PM
jbhoot - 2015-07-22 8:53 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 8:10 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 7:39 PM
NJJ - 2015-07-22 7:28 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 7:23 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 7:17 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 7:04 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 6:26 PM komet. - 2015-07-22 5:57 PM NJJ - 2015-07-22 5:14 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 4:52 PM pepsi - 2015-07-22 4:31 PM In exchange for the pension benefits, employees settled for less pay. I have been at my job for over 20 years which requires a degree and legal experience. I gross $33,000 per year. I also pay 15% of my health insurance and have a $1,000 deductible. I don't think I was living the high life.
So you wanted the free health insurance benefit that you had before, and you are upset that you had to pay more for your health insurance. Do you think it's grossly unfair, in today's world, that you should have to pay for 15% of your health insurance out of pocket? Do you think, in today's world, a $1000 deductible is poor coverage? As an outside observer, I don't see these changes as draconian. Where am I wrong? It's called a CONTRACT.... My father agreed to put 20 years in the Armed Forces and in return he was promised a pension and free health care for life.... A few years AFTER he finished giving his 20 years they changed the deal and took away the health care... The people like Walker saw them get away with this and decided they could do the same thing. Private sector companies change benefits all the time. This whole idea that we are somehow magically "entitled" to free healthcare amazes me. When I worked for a large healthcare corporation, my benefit of "free healthcare" was changed. I had to pay for my own about a year later. I could have gotten a portion of mine paid for, but I elected to go out and get my own. I didn't want to be beholding to them.....and I ended up finding something better than what they offered anyway. Our entire view of health insurance has been dysfunctional for decades anyway. That's one of the main reasons we have a healthcare system that is in such disarray. All of the essential elements that preserve quality and guarantee lowest prices in a free market economy have been eliminated by our distorted view of the purpose of health insurance. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised the system didn't collapse a long time ago. CONTRACT!!! In common law legal systems, a contract (or informally known as an agreement in some jurisdictions ) is an agreement having a lawful object entered into voluntarily by two or more parties, each of whom intends to create one or more legal obligations between them. He isn't "magically entitled".. He gave 20 years of his life for something he was told he would get... That he didn't get. Sounds like a legally binding contract was broken then, right, Huey? You have to remember who wrote the laws.... You can be sure they had a loophole somewhere. That's just ONE (1 ) reason I don't trust the government anymore.
Was he actually a member of the Military or a "private contractor"?
I don't buy it either, NJJ. Something isn't right here.
In 1994 Congress enacted law to establish the military TRICARE health system providing three levels of medical insurance for active duty, their dependents and military retirees and their dependents under age 65.
Military retirees and their dependents age 65 and over were excluded from military health care insurance. They were eligible for Medicare only and most forced to purchase expensive supplemental medical insurance. The promised free health care became nonexistent for those ages 65 and over.
http://www.vfw6872.org/History%20of%20Military%20Healthcare.htm[/qu...
Tricare basic is still free to any vet. The two higher levels you have to pay extra for. So when you say they took away his free health care that is not true. Your Father must not have not liked the basic Tricare and elected to buy one of the higher plans.
You completely miss the CONTRACT and FREE points he was given when he retired after giving 20 years of his life to get them.
Oh for crying out loud Komet READ YOUR OWN ATTACHMENT!!!! It is still free for the basic Tricare. Your Fathers CONTRACT WAS NOT BROKEN. It may not have been the health care he wanted but it was still free. And so is any VA facility.
Go read it yourself!!!! Basic is not what he was promised by the military.... Turns out they didn't have the authority to promise this like they did from 1956-1992.. Congress never approved it. They knew about it but never did anything to stop it. I don't know about where you come from but I was raised to understand a person's word was their bond... The word BASIC was never mentioned before tricare... Health care is HEALTH CARE!! Now that he is old they have shunted him aside. He did computer work for years at below standard wages on the promise that would be made up for after he retired. If you think its free maybe you could go help him pay his bills from that accident. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level? |
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Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If we eliminate funding to Planned Parenthood, along with dozens of other programs, is that reneging on a promise? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-22 10:59 PM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM
Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise.
I'll let the fine people in Wisconsin lay that out for you. I'm sure they will want to start out with how he busted the unions and came down on collective bargaining and passed Act 10, then started screwing with the wages and pensions of state workers. Not to mention all the great things he did for education in that state. This is not a man I would want to see get control of this country. |
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Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM
Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I think it would about the best thing that could ever happen to this country if someone was elected that was strong enough to defund some of the crap that we pay for.
Digging out of a hole is a good thing
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Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I think it would about the best thing that could ever happen to this country if someone was elected that was strong enough to defund some of the crap that we pay for.
Digging out of a hole is a good thing
That's ok if he can defund stuff.. But traditionally politicians don't do that. They raise taxes and immediately find something new to spend it on instead of paying down on the debt. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Digging out of a hole is a BAD thing????? How? Remember that his predecessor left the state 3.6 BILLION $$$$ in the hole! Should he have just kept digging that hole? ANY time that anyone (government or businesses) cut the waste, you are going to have disgruntled people....why? because their "gravy train" has hit a speed bump!!!
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
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komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-23 3:20 AM
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Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot.
Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
Show me where he reneged on a promise.
I'll let the fine people in Wisconsin lay that out for you. I'm sure they will want to start out with how he busted the unions and came down on collective bargaining and passed Act 10, then started screwing with the wages and pensions of state workers. Not to mention all the great things he did for education in that state. This is not a man I would want to see get control of this country.
Now you sound like a politician. You pull out an accusation about Walker's agenda in Wisconsin, you said he "reneged", and when asked to specify where he reneged, you lateral that football to the "fine people of Wisconsin" to come up with the specifics. You didn't have any specifics so you bailed by deferring to someone else. No doubt you will be scurrying around to come up with something, now that your ducking away has been highlighted.
Walker had the balls to stand up to the unions, and he won every time they took him on. He knew they would stop at nothing to destroy him, but he saw a growing problem with the deficit. The guy survived a recall election....the only time that's been done. The "good people of Wisconsin" showed their support of Walker 3 times in 4 years. |
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Location: The edge of no where | komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
Your posts make absolutely no sense. First you whine about the cuts that Walker made "has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning? |
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komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
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komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
So I gather from this that you have thrown in with Trump. Just want to clarify that. |
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komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit. has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning?
Lots of them have done it at a state level. Look at Reagan while he was in California. Then he jacked the national debt up almost 2 trillion dollars in 8 years. We've not had a reduction since Roosevelt/Truman. THIS IS NOT WORKING!! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2015-07-23 8:57 AM komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning?
eta: And if you think the President holds the purse strings, you had better look again and try replacing the ol' "cronies" in the Congress........
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| The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If we want to really take a look back at government spending, the deficit, and the total federal debt, we need to factor in things like the GDP, important events (many of which were beyond our control), and congress.
If you look back at the JFK years, we ran a $2-3 Billion deficit, but our GDP ran a tiny fraction of what it is today. Back then, the sum total of all the goods and services in this country ran around $550 Billion.....roughly 3% of what it is today ($17.5 Trillion). Raw numbers alone don't paint the whole picture. Our GDP has practically always increased from one year to the next. Actually, the last time it declined was back in the late 40's. Our national debt has grown increasingly over that same time span. EVERY administration has left office with increased national federal debt. What has kept that from becoming a disaster was the GDP sort of kept pace, albeit at a slower rate of rise. This is why the debt/GDP ratio is important, but we can't look at this alone. It's not that Clinton was a fiscal conservative. He was pragmatic and saw, early on after the '94 election, that he was going to have to work with the Republican majorities in both houses. In addition, we had the "dot com boom" and explosive growth in technology, combined with peacetime, that led to a huge jump in our GDP, by about 70%, in the 90s. Because of these things, we saw the only significant reduction in the Debt/GDP ratio in modern times.....from 62% to 55%. Over the last 15 years we have had huge developments......9/11, wars, recessions (2), "stimulus" spending, ObamaCare, etc.... The debt really increased in the Bush years, increasing by about 4.2 Trillion, and then by another 8 Trillion under Obama, and by the time Obama leaves it wii be up over $20 Trillion in total national debt. Our debt/GDP ratio has exploded from 68% to over 100% under Obama.
This is why guys like Walker are attractive. He's shown that he's willing to roll up his sleeves, lead, and make tough choices, while fighting off a withering assault from his opposition.
Here's a real good article that lays out things like the debt, GDP, deficit, and how world/national events factor in. It's pretty simple and well laid out:
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/a/National-Debt-by-Y...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
The deal POS McCain made giving sacred ground for mining is mind boggling. Like I've said many times..He went from Hero when he was a POW and as soon as he got into Congress he went to zero. Cruz is dead on when he calls the White House the White House Cartel. What % do you think are crooked SOB's? I would guess 90%. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 2:05 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
Which is why even though Trump is off the wall sounding, it will take someone like him who really doesn't give a crap and would cut off programs to reduce the defecit and stop illegals from coming here voted in in 2016. |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-07-24 11:14 AM Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 2:05 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
Cruz might be a good balance on a Trump ticket ? But there will be more people jumping in... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Looks like the White House Cartel wouldn't allow the Border Patrol to take Trump on a tour of the border. I like him more and more everyday. He doesn't take crap from anyone. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 6:02 PM
Looks like the White House Cartel wouldn't allow the Border Patrol to take Trump on a tour of the border. I like him more and more everyday. He doesn't take crap from anyone.
Their terrified of him and will block him at every corner. He is the first politician in our generation that can't be bought. If he wins he will owe NO monetary favors to anyone. He speaks a forgotten language in DC.. It's called Common Sense. This language overrides stupid things like political correctness.. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So the Border Patrol invited Trump down to the Texas-Mexico border. He said they called and said they were advised not to meet with him, when they were just about to leave. Trump said, "screw it" and they went anyway.
I saw his press conference at the airport. The guy is pretty unflappable. I was laughing my ass off. Basically he's flipping the bird at Obama....and anyone else who stands in his way. |
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2015-07-24 11:02 AM "No no no.....you're through."
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Location: SE Louisiana | Frodo - 2015-07-24 12:37 PM
Bear - 2015-07-24 11:02 AM "No no no.....you're through."
Couldn't see any other candidate doing that.
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