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| Seeing the young people winning big shows in the Magic Seat do you think we will start to see them more and more? Im a believer in learning the correct way to ride and gaining strength and balance from no aids but I can defenitely see the MS being used for therapeutic riders. I guess to take a few tenths off the MS has helped these people win. They scare me but that's just me. This post is not intended to start WW3. |
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Location: PNW | No way could I ever ride in one. I hate feeling trapped AT ALL. But I don't care one bit if somebody else does.
It will definitely be interesting to see whether or not more people start using them :) |
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| I hope not... For me personally I don't want to be strapped onto something with a mind of it's own! If I need to ditch my ride, I want to be able too! |
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| I'm with you that it's better to learn without the aid of a magic seat. They do scare me because you are strapping yourself to the horse.
As for using them for the disabled, I'm a certified therapeutic riding instructor and I can tell you the magic seats are not allowed in Therapeutic Riding Facilities. As per the PATH Intl. standards, riders cannot be strapped to the horse in any way that they cannot be quickly released with a light pull. Magic seats require a much stronger pull or the weight of the rider in some cases to release the velcro. Another reason why they scare me. If you can't use it in therapy for safety reasons why on earth would you use it if you are able bodied. |
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| From what I have seen with the MS, they do not actually keep you from getting away for the horse. They are just an aid to help a rider maintain balance. The velcro is designed to turn loose if the horse was to fall or the rider get way out of balance. I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance. |
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Location: North Dakota | Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance.
Just my own opinoin, but if your SMALL CHILD cannot keep their own balance, then they do not need to be riding your 1D barrel horse.
I say they can ride that awesome explosive horse when they have the ability to, like this famous little girl, without the aid of a Magic Seat:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/66/files/staff-best-0223-0301/77.jpg
That's just my opinion. Of course, if there is a physical ailment going on, there is a time and a place where a Magic Seat can be useful. But for an able-bodied person or child.....Nope.
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| r_beau - 2015-07-29 4:16 PM Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance. Just my own opinoin, but if your SMALL CHILD cannot keep their own balance, then they do not need to be riding your 1D barrel horse.
I say they can ride that awesome explosive horse when they have the ability to, like this famous little girl, without the aid of a Magic Seat:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/66/files/staff-best-0223-0301/77.jpg
That's just my opinion. Of course, if there is a physical ailment going on, there is a time and a place where a Magic Seat can be useful. But for an able-bodied person or child.....Nope.
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I completely agree. I did see a small child using one last year and she was probably 6-8 years old and the poor thing looked like a ragdoll. Her horse ran a 3D time and I highly doubt she could stay on him without the magic seat but it looked like her neck and body took a beating. If adults want to use them-go for it but parents should teach or have their children taught to ride right and balanced before moving up on calibar horses. |
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| Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM
From what I have seen with the MS, they do not actually keep you from getting away for the horse. They are just an aid to help a rider maintain balance. The velcro is designed to turn loose if the horse was to fall or the rider get way out of balance. I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance.
Alliie also won the BBR. I have friends that run in WPRA rodeos with a Magic seat. You know them too Cdunn. I also know pro trainers who have used them because on an injury. I ride one horse out of my three with a Magic seat. I laugh about it and most people I know laugh with me and say whatever it takes. Personally, I like to see people win rather than criticize because they did. I was thinking "Darn, that kid did it again" |
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| No doubt kids win riding wiht it but I think its a poor decision to make as a parent. If adults want to wear one they take that risk but kids don't have to ability to know better. I know a woman here that uses big rubber bands to strap herself into very fast horses and she had a bad wreck last year and could not get away. I know MS and rubber bands are two different things but keeping a person in a saddle is a danger waiting to happen. I have taken some very bad falls around barrels that I was able to quickly kick free from. How do you know if the velcro won't come back in contact when you try to kick away? I really don't want to see a kid get hurt because our sport is already risky to begin with. |
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Location: Sanderson, TX | r_beau - 2015-07-29 4:16 PM Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance. Just my own opinoin, but if your SMALL CHILD cannot keep their own balance, then they do not need to be riding your 1D barrel horse.
I say they can ride that awesome explosive horse when they have the ability to, like this famous little girl, without the aid of a Magic Seat:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/66/files/staff-best-0223-0301/77.jpg
That's just my opinion. Of course, if there is a physical ailment going on, there is a time and a place where a Magic Seat can be useful. But for an able-bodied person or child.....Nope.
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You know what they say about opinions. My daughter ran in one for a time and it helped make her a competent confident rider. She moved out of by age 7 or 8 and now has a waiting list for outside horses. I would much rather see a child with a seat than balancing on the reins because they have short legs with limited grip. If I really cared to validate MY opinion, I would post videos; however, I find I have more interesting things to do than rehash a subject that has been beaten to death more than once here  .
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| Mind Bender - 2015-07-29 9:11 PM
r_beau - 2015-07-29 4:16 PM Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance. Just my own opinoin, but if your SMALL CHILD cannot keep their own balance, then they do not need to be riding your 1D barrel horse.
I say they can ride that awesome explosive horse when they have the ability to, like this famous little girl, without the aid of a Magic Seat:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/66/files/staff-best-0223-0301/77.jpg
That's just my opinion. Of course, if there is a physical ailment going on, there is a time and a place where a Magic Seat can be useful. But for an able-bodied person or child.....Nope.
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| Mind Bender - 2015-07-29 9:11 PM r_beau - 2015-07-29 4:16 PM Cdunn - 2015-07-29 3:50 PM I don't see anything wrong with them on small children that does not have enough strength in thier legs to keep proper balance. Just my own opinoin, but if your SMALL CHILD cannot keep their own balance, then they do not need to be riding your 1D barrel horse.
I say they can ride that awesome explosive horse when they have the ability to, like this famous little girl, without the aid of a Magic Seat:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/66/files/staff-best-0223-0301/77.jpg
That's just my opinion. Of course, if there is a physical ailment going on, there is a time and a place where a Magic Seat can be useful. But for an able-bodied person or child.....Nope.
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I wasn't asking anyone to prove themselves or their kids.  I was asking if anyone thought it would become a TREND because so many kids are winning in them? |
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| I do not believe it will become a trend. I do think that more people will consider using them because more people that have won have been "spotted" riding with them.
I have two young daughters, 7 and 11. My youngest is very tiny. I will not use them for her. I am an old school believer of wanting them to learn balance and be able to ride before I put them on a rocket. This is why she is on her spicy lil pony. I have bigger horses but she does not have the skills nor strength to stay on. In her mind she does but I do not believe she is ready. Therefore I will not put her on anything else until I know she can stay on by herself. Some of my horses take off hard enough even my 11 year old will hit the back of the cantle. That being said she "knows how to ride" and can stay with the horse.
Again though...I think you will see more people using them because they will be viewed as a safety device. Personally I do not believe in them and feel that if you fall off you fall off. Better figure out how to stay on or ride better or ride a less strong horse for your size. Just my personal opinion though, everyone is entitled to there own. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | purplemoon828 - 2015-07-30 7:35 AM I do not believe it will become a trend. I do think that more people will consider using them because more people that have won have been "spotted" riding with them. I have two young daughters, 7 and 11. My youngest is very tiny. I will not use them for her. I am an old school believer of wanting them to learn balance and be able to ride before I put them on a rocket. This is why she is on her spicy lil pony. I have bigger horses but she does not have the skills nor strength to stay on. In her mind she does but I do not believe she is ready. Therefore I will not put her on anything else until I know she can stay on by herself. Some of my horses take off hard enough even my 11 year old will hit the back of the cantle. That being said she "knows how to ride" and can stay with the horse. Again though...I think you will see more people using them because they will be viewed as a safety device. Personally I do not believe in them and feel that if you fall off you fall off. Better figure out how to stay on or ride better or ride a less strong horse for your size. Just my personal opinion though, everyone is entitled to there own.
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| CYA Ranch - 2015-07-30 8:14 AM
purplemoon828 - 2015-07-30 7:35 AM I do not believe it will become a trend. I do think that more people will consider using them because more people that have won have been "spotted" riding with them. I have two young daughters, 7 and 11. My youngest is very tiny. I will not use them for her. I am an old school believer of wanting them to learn balance and be able to ride before I put them on a rocket. This is why she is on her spicy lil pony. I have bigger horses but she does not have the skills nor strength to stay on. In her mind she does but I do not believe she is ready. Therefore I will not put her on anything else until I know she can stay on by herself. Some of my horses take off hard enough even my 11 year old will hit the back of the cantle. That being said she "knows how to ride" and can stay with the horse. Again though...I think you will see more people using them because they will be viewed as a safety device. Personally I do not believe in them and feel that if you fall off you fall off. Better figure out how to stay on or ride better or ride a less strong horse for your size. Just my personal opinion though, everyone is entitled to there own.
Excellent response Anne. I agree with you 100% and I love watching your daughters ride and improve.
Agreed ^ Protect your child by putting them on a horse they can handle without the use of this. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Tatum2 - 2015-07-30 8:20 AM CYA Ranch - 2015-07-30 8:14 AM purplemoon828 - 2015-07-30 7:35 AM I do not believe it will become a trend. I do think that more people will consider using them because more people that have won have been "spotted" riding with them. I have two young daughters, 7 and 11. My youngest is very tiny. I will not use them for her. I am an old school believer of wanting them to learn balance and be able to ride before I put them on a rocket. This is why she is on her spicy lil pony. I have bigger horses but she does not have the skills nor strength to stay on. In her mind she does but I do not believe she is ready. Therefore I will not put her on anything else until I know she can stay on by herself. Some of my horses take off hard enough even my 11 year old will hit the back of the cantle. That being said she "knows how to ride" and can stay with the horse. Again though...I think you will see more people using them because they will be viewed as a safety device. Personally I do not believe in them and feel that if you fall off you fall off. Better figure out how to stay on or ride better or ride a less strong horse for your size. Just my personal opinion though, everyone is entitled to there own. Excellent response Anne. I agree with you 100% and I love watching your daughters ride and improve. Agreed ^ Protect your child by putting them on a horse they can handle without the use of this.
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This is a great example of why I think starting kids out on smaller horses is a great idea....With the balance and timing this kid will be a contender.
JMHO - but if you can't stay where you need to without a magic seat, then go back to the basics and build core strength and balance. It's a shortcut.
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Location: North Dakota | As much as I believe 100% in learning to ride CORRECTLY and my deep belief that EVERYONE should have dressage lessons at some point in their life, I don't have a problem with little kids using the magic seats to run. Even some of the teens are so small and skinny, I don't know how they would manage to keep themselves seated. As long as it's used as a tool and not a crutch, it doesn't really bother me. |
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| I sure hope not. Rubber bands are not the same thing as MS. I use rubber bands simply because I'd rather focus on my cues than getting my stirrups back at every turn. Every time they have ever needed to, they have broken without a second thought (heck I have broke them running home before. haha). Magic Seat actually ties you to the horse. If that horse falls down, how are you going to unstick yourself from the downed horse? The MS I've seen have STRONG velcro, and honestly, I could see a SMALL child not break the strength of some of them and get hung up on the horse.
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Location: MD | Quite honestly, the kids winning the big shows in the MS is not something that just started happening.... |
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| I hope it doesn't become more of a trend. I have nothing against anyone who chooses to use them for any reason, but it just scares me to death to think of the wrecks that can happen while using them and I know the more people that use them, the more likely those wrecks are to happen. |
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Location: Oklahoma | FlyingJT - 2015-07-29 3:07 PM
I hope not... For me personally I don't want to be strapped onto something with a mind of it's own! If I need to ditch my ride, I want to be able too!
You can definitely "ditch your ride" any time you want to with a magic seat. I can see the people responding on this thread haven't used one. I use one because I'm old and not as strong as I used to be, and it just gives you a little "stick" and a moment to regain your seat if your horse stumbles or something. It definitely will not hold you on. Here is a video where one of my horses fell with me. As you can see, I come off IMMEDIATELY. The things I throw up from behind the barrels are the straps that were on my legs. I often forget to undo them and dismount with them on. I use them because it's more of a confidence thing with me now, and I can ride more aggressively using it, and I'm too old for all the naysayers to bother me. lol But until you've used one, I'm not sure I would pass judgement on them. BTW, I also had my 5 yr old daughter use them and they were a great help with her learning to balance on top of her pony and she, too, came loose when the pony stumbled and fell (I had her using the youth version). After she got stronger and learned to balance, we discontinued use of it. It's only velcro, people. It only sticks....it doesn't support much weight, and I figure those kids that are falling off at the pay window really don't care what people on BHW say about them. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPNWKZeg-I
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FlyingJT - 2015-07-29 3:07 PM
I hope not... For me personally I don't want to be strapped onto something with a mind of it's own! If I need to ditch my ride, I want to be able too!
You can definitely "ditch your ride" any time you want to with a magic seat. I can see the people responding on this thread haven't used one. I use one because I'm old and not as strong as I used to be, and it just gives you a little "stick" and a moment to regain your seat if your horse stumbles or something. It definitely will not hold you on. Here is a video where one of my horses fell with me. As you can see, I come off IMMEDIATELY. The things I throw up from behind the barrels are the straps that were on my legs. I often forget to undo them and dismount with them on. I use them because it's more of a confidence thing with me now, and I can ride more aggressively using it, and I'm too old for all the naysayers to bother me. lol But until you've used one, I'm not sure I would pass judgement on them. BTW, I also had my 5 yr old daughter use them and they were a great help with her learning to balance on top of her pony and she, too, came loose when the pony stumbled and fell (I had her using the youth version ). After she got stronger and learned to balance, we discontinued use of it. It's only velcro, people. It only sticks....it doesn't support much weight, and I figure those kids that are falling off at the pay window really don't care what people on BHW say about them. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPNWKZeg-I
i'm not attacking anyone that uses one and your right I've never used one but I wouldn't feel comfortable in one and I don't feel comfortable putting my kids in one either. I guess I shouldn't of said, "I hope not" because it doesn't really matter if it's a trend or not to me. I should of said I won't be using one even if it does... If you can win in one go for it, but i'll just be an outcast if it ever does become a trend! |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't feel the use of a magic seat is any more of an advantage than rubber bands. To each their own. If a rider feels more secure when using a magic seat than more power to them! Nothing is stopping me from going out and using one as well. I use rubber bands on one mare because she nearly lost me at a barrel when I lost a stirrup once. That has never happened to me before but now I make sure it will never happen again. I pay good money in entry fees, fuel, feed, etc to win and I am not about to let something stupid like a lost stirrup keep me from the pay window again. People could say that "Well if you had a better seat or were using your legs properly you wouldn't lose a stirrup." When going 9-0 and making quick, snappy turns anything can happen and why take the chance of something so stupid keeping you from $$$ when a simple little rubberband can help your confidence which can be the key to winning? If the kid is really small and strapped onto a horse that is obviously too powerful for the kid to safely handle then I personally find a problem with that but if the rider can handle their horse no problem but use it to help with confidence when making a run for big $$$ then so be it! |
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Location: Texas | Running in them is one thing, but daily riding should be without them so you can learn your seat. I have ridden in them once before because I thought it would be fun and I could ride around without stirrups and it was honestly the most annoying feeling ever. They don't "hold you in" at all, they just kind of hold your legs in place, but they are actually so thin in velcro that you can come up out of your seat very easily. For me it just took that freedom feeling away and didn't feel as fun as riding without them is.
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| I agree with Dianne, they do serve a purpose for some ppl, they help you feel alittle more secure, and if you crash, they will release. If you dont like them, then don't use them :) |
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Location: Oklahoma | I half use one lol I found the only saddle that fits my horse but the saddle is fully tooled and slick! The only thing I can come up with without messing saddle up and paying an arm and leg to change out the saddle seat and jockey part I use the magic seat without the straps. It has helped tremendously! |
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Location: Here | kramerica - 2015-07-29 2:06 PM Seeing the young people winning big shows in the Magic Seat do you think we will start to see them more and more? Im a believer in learning the correct way to ride and gaining strength and balance from no aids but I can defenitely see the MS being used for therapeutic riders. I guess to take a few tenths off the MS has helped these people win. They scare me but that's just me. This post is not intended to start WW3.
They are an aid. I recommend trying one before condeming those that use them. Itty bitty kids well that is a judgement call and can be fixed by trimming down the amount of velcro stick there is. It is that simply velcro, it comes undone |
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Location: Here | lucky2 - 2015-07-31 10:48 PM I agree with Dianne, they do serve a purpose for some ppl, they help you feel alittle more secure, and if you crash, they will release. If you dont like them, then don't use them :)
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Will there be trend?