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Location: Oxford, Kansas | I know these are not true conformation photo's... I'd had him less than 24 hrs at this point and It was just a yucky night but wanted to get some photos of him... Little bit of background, he's a 2 yr old gelding... was in a kill lot... halter broke and is papered but that's all I know. Curious as to what you guys think of him as a barrel prospect?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shadrach+special
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Location: Desert Land | This is not a horse that interests me in any way...I'm not in to paints, he's too heavily "line-bred" for my taste, too straight in the shoulder, neck ties in really high. I'd pass. |
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Location: North Carolina | Well any horse can be a barrel horse. It's depends on what level you would want to being racing him at. I don't think he's pro or 1d-2d quality. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Panther14 - 2015-07-30 10:44 AM Well any horse can be a barrel horse. It's depends on what level you would want to being racing him at. I don't think he's pro or 1d-2d quality.
Based on what? lol Have you seen the conformation on some of the top horses? Winners can come from just about anywhere. I don't see anything glaring that would keep me from trying him out. I wouldn't dump a ton of money into him hoping to recoup much of it, but he would sure be a project if you were wanting one to work on for yourself. |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Well, I'm rather fond of Paints and I'm not near smart enough to judge the conformation nor the future ability of a two-year old colt on the basis of a couple of pics of a colt from a kill-pen who's tied up high in a new surrounding. I could tell you a lot more if I saw him in person, when he's relaxed. Thank you for rescuing him; I'd say he's worth a gamble. I LOVE Indian Music. We never line-bred but I've seen it work for some very reputable breeders, Bud Warren in particular. |
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Location: NE Texas | My theory is....you gotta try em all. Those that I have the least expectations for are usually the ones that surprise me the most. Good luck with him and I hope he makes you a world beater! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I'd try him. Might make a decent riding horse. Certainly some horses with not perfect conformation go on to do well.
The biggest things I see with him is that he is too straight or upright in his shoulder angle. He also looks a bit camped out to me. He looks a bit weaker behind his withers than I'd like to see but some more weight and exercise may help him here. He's also a bit weaker through the hindquarters than I like, but again some feed and exercise will help some here. If he has a good temperament (he does have OK papers, not great but not bad), I'd say have fun with him. He's only two so you have tons of time to watch him develop. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | cloverleaf - 2015-07-30 10:55 AM Well, I'm rather fond of Paints and I'm not near smart enough to judge the conformation nor the future ability of a two-year old colt on the basis of a couple of pics of a colt from a kill-pen who's tied up high in a new surrounding. I could tell you a lot more if I saw him in person, when he's relaxed. Thank you for rescuing him; I'd say he's worth a gamble. I LOVE Indian Music. We never line-bred but I've seen it work for some very reputable breeders, Bud Warren in particular.
Same here. I could get some pictures of that colt that would make him look like a million bucks. It's all about angles with the young ones. When he fills out, his "flaws" won't be quite so obvious.
I'm just glad he's getting a chance to do something! This baby is the result of people breeding horses just because they can, but that doesn't mean that he's not worth trying. |
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| I see some things I like and I see some things I don't like. He has a nice hip and set to his hocks. Yes, he is straighter through the shoulder but at least he has a longer scapula so that is a lot better than straight with a short scapula. He's sure worth a try. |
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| Not sure why people are so down on this colt....he's got eye appeal and is bred to run, granted not own son of Chasin Firewater but I'm sure she didn't pay that kind price either. Both bottom and top side have some names. First pic makes him look straight in the shoulder but in the second pic I like his shoulder better. He's downhill right now and that really makes a colts should/back look worse than it is. Really he looks pretty balanced in the second pic, and looks darn athletic with good hocks and feet. Nice eye/cute head and even colored too. I'd try him for sure, thank you for saving him! I bet when he gets under saddle his topline will strengthen quite a bit and he will muscle up!
Also, I've noticed that the way white is placed on a paint messes with my eyes when judging confirmation....I think the large amount of white over his shoulder in the first pic makes it appear straighter than it really is. And regardless, it's still a nice, big, strong shoulder.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2015-07-30 11:01 AM My theory is....you gotta try em all. Those that I have the least expectations for are usually the ones that surprise me the most. Good luck with him and I hope he makes you a world beater!
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| lopnaround - 2015-07-30 11:56 AM Not sure why people are so down on this colt....he's got eye appeal and is bred to run, granted not own son of Chasin Firewater but I'm sure she didn't pay that kind price either. Both bottom and top side have some names. First pic makes him look straight in the shoulder but in the second pic I like his shoulder better. He's downhill right now and that really makes a colts should/back look worse than it is. Really he looks pretty balanced in the second pic, and looks darn athletic with good hocks and feet. Nice eye/cute head and even colored too. I'd try him for sure, thank you for saving him! I bet when he gets under saddle his topline will strengthen quite a bit and he will muscle up!
Also, I've noticed that the way white is placed on a paint messes with my eyes when judging confirmation....I think the large amount of white over his shoulder in the first pic makes it appear straighter than it really is. And regardless, it's still a nice, big, strong shoulder.
My thoughts too! This colt should have a long stride, the stifle sits low which helps in stride length but his point of hip is near directly under his LS joint which will give him the ability to move his power forward. Long humerus and forearm which also indicates a long stride. Shorter over the top than underneath. The shoulder is a little steep and with a longer flat humerus he might have trouble moving his front end quickly. I'd be curious to see him once he starts to fill out and watch how he moves. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-07-30 12:33 PM lopnaround - 2015-07-30 11:56 AM Not sure why people are so down on this colt....he's got eye appeal and is bred to run, granted not own son of Chasin Firewater but I'm sure she didn't pay that kind price either. Both bottom and top side have some names. First pic makes him look straight in the shoulder but in the second pic I like his shoulder better. He's downhill right now and that really makes a colts should/back look worse than it is. Really he looks pretty balanced in the second pic, and looks darn athletic with good hocks and feet. Nice eye/cute head and even colored too. I'd try him for sure, thank you for saving him! I bet when he gets under saddle his topline will strengthen quite a bit and he will muscle up!
Also, I've noticed that the way white is placed on a paint messes with my eyes when judging confirmation....I think the large amount of white over his shoulder in the first pic makes it appear straighter than it really is. And regardless, it's still a nice, big, strong shoulder.
My thoughts too! This colt should have a long stride, the stifle sits low which helps in stride length but his point of hip is near directly under his LS joint which will give him the ability to move his power forward. Long humerus and forearm which also indicates a long stride. Shorter over the top than underneath. The shoulder is a little steep and with a longer flat humerus he might have trouble moving his front end quickly. I'd be curious to see him once he starts to fill out and watch how he moves.
Agreed...OP we want progress pics!!! |
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| KUDOS to you for saving him 
He could thank you for saving him by making up for his flaws with a really big heart!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Good Luck and have fun with him. |
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Location: Arkansas | ksbarrelchick - 2015-07-30 10:17 AM
I know these are not true conformation photo's... I'd had him less than 24 hrs at this point and It was just a yucky night but wanted to get some photos of him... Little bit of background, he's a 2 yr old gelding... was in a kill lot... halter broke and is papered but that's all I know. Curious as to what you guys think of him as a barrel prospect?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shadrach+special
I say good horses' shapes and conformation can surprise you sometimes----hope he turns out to work beautifully for you. And many good wishes sent your way for rescuing him. He deserves a chance. |
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| You are not seeing a conformation problem but the conformation that has added speed to qh's for years as an excellent out cross... RAISE YOUR GLASS TB ... and RAISE A NATIVE TB ... This TB line gives you a longer rib cage which equals a longer stride. If you are not familiar with this .. click on their names and look at their pictures on your horses pedigree ...
He is inbred as a son and daughter to REBEL STYLE and line bred to RAISE A WINNER APHA .. who was a crippled stallion that sired one of my better paint track stars named WINNER STORM ... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
By adding EASY JET TOO APHA it gives him two of the best paint speed lines in APHA history .... I have owned several daughters of EJT for track babies and sent one to barrel training and he did excellent in Florida in several disciplines ... ARTIC STORM ... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
Even his TB lineage has some tuff well known sires along with another Raise A Native TB gene pool thru Mito Paint to give him his longer stride .. and a little higher withers ..
He is actually pretty darn balanced in a qh/paint view ... buttock muscles flow into his hocks, muscle mass located at stifle and shoulder to hold these two critical body parts in place ... which makes him well above average for a growing two year old ...
My eyes tell me he is going to be slow to mature body wise so do a lot of trail riding where you can teach him the cues you will use barrel racing and get him good and broke and do not attempt to pattern him until he is a full 4 years old ...
The only weak point I see is his TB pasterns .. they are let down a little lower than I like to see ... the simple fix ... is a good set of combination boots on front and rear to keep him from burning his ergots which will keep him from sitting down when turning the barrels ... put his boots on ANYTIME you ride him and pull them off when ride is over ... so any trapped dirt will not gall him .. AND DO NOT trim his drip line hairs that hang behind his pasterns .. these protect the ergots too and prevent scabies and cracked heels in rainy/snow seasons ..
Due to his longer soft moving strides .. he will run a lot like DOLLY THE NFR mare and need his turns setup a little wider than Cervi does with Stingray ... but study all the hand moves that Cervi does rating and turning and how she sits the saddle deep and quiet ... and you will do very well with this colt ..
GOOD LUCK ...
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-07-31 3:14 AM You are not seeing a conformation problem but the conformation that has added speed to qh's for years as an excellent out cross... RAISE YOUR GLASS TB ... and RAISE A NATIVE TB ... This TB line gives you a longer rib cage which equals a longer stride. If you are not familiar with this .. click on their names and look at their pictures on your horses pedigree ... He is inbred as a son and daughter to REBEL STYLE and line bred to RAISE A WINNER APHA .. who was a crippled stallion that sired one of my better paint track stars named WINNER STORM ... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm By adding EASY JET TOO APHA it gives him two of the best paint speed lines in APHA history .... I have owned several daughters of EJT for track babies and sent one to barrel training and he did excellent in Florida in several disciplines ... ARTIC STORM ... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm Even his TB lineage has some tuff well known sires along with another Raise A Native TB gene pool thru Mito Paint to give him his longer stride .. and a little higher withers .. He is actually pretty darn balanced in a qh/paint view ... buttock muscles flow into his hocks, muscle mass located at stifle and shoulder to hold these two critical body parts in place ... which makes him well above average for a growing two year old ... My eyes tell me he is going to be slow to mature body wise so do a lot of trail riding where you can teach him the cues you will use barrel racing and get him good and broke and do not attempt to pattern him until he is a full 4 years old ... The only weak point I see is his TB pasterns .. they are let down a little lower than I like to see ... the simple fix ... is a good set of combination boots on front and rear to keep him from burning his ergots which will keep him from sitting down when turning the barrels ... put his boots on ANYTIME you ride him and pull them off when ride is over ... so any trapped dirt will not gall him .. AND DO NOT trim his drip line hairs that hang behind his pasterns .. these protect the ergots too and prevent scabies and cracked heels in rainy/snow seasons .. Due to his longer soft moving strides .. he will run a lot like DOLLY THE NFR mare and need his turns setup a little wider than Cervi does with Stingray ... but study all the hand moves that Cervi does rating and turning and how she sits the saddle deep and quiet ... and you will do very well with this colt .. GOOD LUCK ...
I have re-read this 3 times...you are so knowledgeable! Thank you for sharing! |
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Location: Missouri | I like! Good luck and enjoy the journey! |
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| Honestly? I like him. He's only two, but he doesn't have any GLARING problems that I can see from these pictures. He's got cute markings, and some NICE paints in there. Treasured Too is a nice stallion, with Raise Your Glass, Dash For Cash. He should have a little speed, but I agree, slow maturing.
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Location: Mountains of VA | I like him and I would have bought him too! The only thing I would want to change is his topline by making it more level but he still has lots of growing to do so it can change from these pics. I like horses that are "upheaded" and can get their front end up and out of the way. Nothing worse than feeling like you are running down into a hole.
As far as his breeding............you can call him linebred if you want but nothing is really that close. The only way any breeder of any species is going to find out exactly what their horses are going to produce is by linebreeding them. I can think of a lot of breeding programs of horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, goats and dogs that are heavily linebred but are exceptional animals. His pedigree is nice and if he were a mare I would consider her as a broodie in the future.
Good luck with him.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I would definitely try him. Good luck and have fun :) |
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Location: Pa | I also agree with the last few posts. I really like the way he is built and I think he is just going to get nicer as he grows. I'm not really big on paints, but I think he definitely will be worth it.
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