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| That aren't gonna cost a arm and a leg?? I was using Vita Flex MSM and it worked on my old arthritic gelding but I didn't see much of anything in my mare. I have heard of Tight Join Plus from a friend but it cost close to 70 I believe. Is there anything super similar and cheaper?? |
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Location: OK | I have used some things that seemed to work sometimes and sometimes not. I wonder if maybe the manufacture got some bad ingredients because I've gone back and used some of those things and had them work again, so who knows. I have an old mare who is very arthritic that I used the AniMed joint supplement on and it was wonderful. It's around $25/mo. Then I've used it on others and not seen the same results. |
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| It's a crap shoot, IMO. I have had Cosequin (?) work on one horse and not another, but on that one Cort-a-flex did work  |
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| Nothing feed through. Adequan, legend, pentosan, acetyl D Glucosamine etc. everything else is not only a crap shoot , it comes out in the manure basically. |
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| Have you guys heard of Replenex by melaluca? A friend of mine says a lot or team ropes and barrel racers use it where we are. |
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| I have jumped on the "orals don't work/don't know their getting them" band wagon. I read in a medical book at work (I can't remember which) that MSM has been proven to help alleviate physitis (inflamed growth plates), joint pain and muscle pain in horses. That being said, this is what I do-
I feed all of my horses 1oz (28g) MSM daily. Its cheap as heck and I have seen it work in my horses. Less than $10/horse per month.
Only my "performance" horses get injectables. The running horses (theres only 2...) get as needed joint injections, 1 round Adequan once a year (spring-when running hardest)$300, 1 round Pentosan Platinum once a year (mid year when hauling moderately) $90 and 1 round Pentosan Gold $90 or the plain Pentosan $80 (winter when not going as much). That puts them getting a 6wk course 3x a year. I can't afford to use Adequan as much as I want and I don't want them going without. ($40/month with all 3 rounds of injectables)
The 3-4yos that are in training I will actually give an joint supplement to such as CortaFlex $40/mo or Cosequin $40/mo. |
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Location: Texas | I feed MSM to young & old & I can see results/differences. I also added glucosamine 5000 to my older guys feed & I honestly didn't see a big difference, but the MSM was already working so well, that I didn't expect to see much change. They are both very inexpensive. I have used monthly injectables (in the past) with not much change. My older guy also gets hocks injected as needed (about 6-9 mo.) which produces a visible good result. |
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| We use previcox on all our running horses and my 25 year old Pomeranian and it's a miracle worker. My dog REALLY shows it after not being on it for only one day. She actually runs and plays again since being on it. The horses are a lot better with it too.
Can't use it if you are running where you get drug tested though. It will test positive, 48 hours. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-08-02 3:43 PM
We use previcox on all our running horses and my 25 year old Pomeranian and it's a miracle worker. My dog REALLY shows it after not being on it for only one day. She actually runs and plays again since being on it. The horses are a lot better with it too.
Can't use it if you are running where you get drug tested though. It will test positive, 48 hours.
Previcox is not meant to be used daily. I use it just when I am running. If you have a horse with a chronic condition you might need it daily but not just as preventative. |
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Location: Phoenix | I'm saving up for the big bottle of Pentosan but that's interesting about the MSM. I'm off to do some researching. Was contemplating starting F1 Noni in the meantime because of the hyaluronic acid.... |
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Location: MI | I have our 28yr old on Actistatin, recommended from the previous owner. I started him on it in the spring, he was doing great until the bottle was over and I switched him to a cheaper product. Now he's limping/catches his R hind for 2 days after a weekend show (and he is NOT ran). Started him back on it the week before last, but it will take 2more weeks before its at full strength. I'm Quite skeptical of oral supplements, but this has worked really well for him. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Formula 1 noni blue label is $60 on autoship and will last a month or longer depending on how much you feed. Plus it will give them a shiny coat, boost their immune system, and much more. It's great for their overall health. Let me know if your interested! |
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Location: Arkansas | You have a 25 year old Pomeranian dog????? Oh my!!! |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I take vitamins, and supplements daily that if I don't remember to take I can tell the difference within a couple days...
For my dogs Cetyl M has worked wonders...
For my horses I have started using Ani-med Aniflex Complete and noticed a little difference, not much but just started them on it, as the vet suggested. so we shall see
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | BaylenJaxs - 2015-08-01 8:26 PM
Have you guys heard of Replenex by melaluca? A friend of mine says a lot or team ropes and barrel racers use it where we are.
I use Replenex on myself but not on my animals. How are they feeding this? |
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| cindyt - 2015-08-03 9:57 AM
I take vitamins, and supplements daily that if I don't remember to take I can tell the difference within a couple days...
For my dogs Cetyl M has worked wonders...
For my horses I have started using Ani-med Aniflex Complete and noticed a little difference, not much but just started them on it, as the vet suggested. so we shall see
Don't forget that humans and horses assimilate supplements very differently. There are some ingredients that humans can eat and our bodies can use. Feed the same thing to a horse and it might not work. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Animal Element Foundation Detox has Hylauronic acid, MSM and Glucosamine. It is a great all over supplement.
We also have pure high quality MSM available as a single ingredient. And extremely affordable! |
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| I feed GLC 5500 RX and have had great results. I started my daughters barrel and pole mare on it and it has made a world of difference in her. She went to being a solid 21 second pole horses and her barrel times have gotten a little faster as well which is good because she is not a fast barrel horse. The other thing I notice on her now as opposed to before is she stays fast all day when we are doing multiply runs where she use to slow down. I keep her younger mare on it as a preventative. I have several other friends horses on it one of which was told by the vet last year to be retired that she would never be sound again. She is running 1D times in big races with over 300 racers. I am a believer in this supplement.
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Location: North Dakota | Pentosan, especially if your horse has been diagnosed with Arthritis. Have a friend that started platinum a couple weeks ago.....waiting to see the results....will have to be outstanding for me to pay to jump on that bandwagon. Pentosan has successfully reduced the time between hock injections on two of my aged geldings that have been diagnosed with arthritis in their hocks. (at least a year between injections) I use it monthly on one and bimonthly on another. |
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Location: Willows, CA | When Absorbine wanted to bring a feed through flex product to the market I was asked to formulate, produce and trial the product. This would become Flex+. Dr Gary Kaufman from Scottsdale AZ and I conducted and published a 55 horse clinical trial with that formulation that considered over 40,000 measurements. It absolutely proved to reduce inflammation, extend length of stride, and normalize hoof placement at the trot and lope in a fairly broad range of horses. This was a nice product who's formulation has since been replaced due to production costs, and changes in current science. I have not been involved in the current Absorbine formulation, and have no comment one way or the other as to effectiveness. Feed through products can work for some issues, but it would be unrealistic to assume that they will repair or improve every situation. Acute joint issues that can be resolved by a reduction in inflammation and an increase in both quality and perhaps quantity of synovial fluid can benefit from feed through joint health products if the formulation is designed to accomplish this. There are many joint issues that feed through products will not help. Some are beyond help from anything. One last issue. Not all supplements have either the amount or quality of active ingredients in them that the manufacturer claims. This is a place where a premium product from a reputable manufacturer is really worth the money.
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Location: IL | I personally think the digestive tract has to be in good working order for oral joint supplements to work. If the horses gut isn't right then they will not absorb the supplement very well, and when you don't see an improvement then you don't think it's working. I agree many supplements don't work as they are advertised. I inject when needed and that definately works, but if they are sore and their bellies hurt, then no supplement is going to make anything right. JMO |
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Location: Oregon | Tight Joints Plus has worked for my older boy very well!  $68.00 for a 2 month supply. |
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Location: SE Missouri | hammer_time - 2015-08-03 8:30 PM
I'm at the point where there are too many options so I just don't want to do a **** thing!
Oh this was me!!!! I've done AE, Oxygen, pentosan, then for the past two years nothing but vet work as needed. It was just frustrating.
I did two months of Platinum CJ and have since switched to Exceed 6way (1 scoop a day). I am hesitantly optimistic about this addition! I am in the process of switching 1 horse to Renew Gold for a trial (and I did take before pictures). He started getting the exceed as I started the Renew Gold so still somewhat of a shotgun approach but he needed an overhaul. |
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Location: NE Texas | I've had great luck with managing the inflammatory response in the gut, which then eliminates the over active inflammatory responses that rear their ugly head in other areas in the body, from allergies, to joints. I had a horse who continually stayed sore in the lower back, through the SI, which i've always been told started at the hock and went up. This particular horse would wince fairly dramatically even when I sweat scraped him after rinsing him off. My vet recommended we inject hocks, stifles, and SI and even wanted to discuss "kissing spine" at one point. In treating my horse for a severe respiratory condition and changing my feed program based on the suggestion of Dr. Schell at www.secondvet.com, I also inadvertently treated the other inflammatory issues my horse was experiencing. Now you can palpate him anywhere from ulcer pressure points, to lower back, SI, etc and he won't even flinch. When I had the vet out to pull blood for coggins, he asked me when i'd like to schedule a time to come in and get the injections done, and I asked him to look at my horse again. He asked me where i'd taken him to get the injections, that my horse wasn't showing the same soreness issues as before. I told him what i'd done and he was blown away that these type of results were achieved through proper nutrition and a different approach to attack the inflammation. This is not a "joint supplement", this is controlling the inflammatory response from the inside out, and in turn, eliminating alot of the chronic issues we've been "band-aiding" for years.
There is currenlty a discussion on the forum at www.secondvet.com on the forum that Dr. Schell has opened up and will be willing to answer any questions regarding nutrition, diet, or other issues we want to discuss. Check it out! It's a great opportunity to continue educating ourselves in other ways to manage these conditions that we spend thousands of dollars treating each year.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | winwillows - 2015-08-03 4:40 PM When Absorbine wanted to bring a feed through flex product to the market I was asked to formulate, produce and trial the product. This would become Flex+. Dr Gary Kaufman from Scottsdale AZ and I conducted and published a 55 horse clinical trial with that formulation that considered over 40,000 measurements. It absolutely proved to reduce inflammation, extend length of stride, and normalize hoof placement at the trot and lope in a fairly broad range of horses. This was a nice product who's formulation has since been replaced due to production costs, and changes in current science. I have not been involved in the current Absorbine formulation, and have no comment one way or the other as to effectiveness. Feed through products can work for some issues, but it would be unrealistic to assume that they will repair or improve every situation. Acute joint issues that can be resolved by a reduction in inflammation and an increase in both quality and perhaps quantity of synovial fluid can benefit from feed through joint health products if the formulation is designed to accomplish this. There are many joint issues that feed through products will not help. Some are beyond help from anything. One last issue. Not all supplements have either the amount or quality of active ingredients in them that the manufacturer claims. This is a place where a premium product from a reputable manufacturer is really worth the money.
Thanks for sharing. I find this very interesting. And supplements, much like compounded items, I am typically leery. But not above trying them. I have tried several. Then I read Herbie's story (that I love every time I hear it) and I think....maybe just maybe there is something to a feed thru. |
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| Can you explain in a little bit more detail some of the things you did/changed to acheive those results? It sounds pretty amazing the difference you saw in your horse. I must say I got caught up in some of the hype of supplementation and who's feeding what. I recently tried to take a step back and really look at what my horse was eating and the benefits I saw, if any. I recently had his hocks injected and am really focused on things I can do/change to help him feel his best at all times and help prolong the life if the injections. I am very interested in hearing more about this! |
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Location: Central Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-08-01 8:40 PM
Nothing feed through. Adequan, legend, pentosan, acetyl D Glucosamine etc. everything else is not only a crap shoot , it comes out in the manure basically.
I agree. Through the years I have have just about tried every feed through supplement you can think of. I have since learned that I get more bang for my buck and better results with an injection supplement.
edited: However, I do use MSM daily as a supplement. Can't say that I have noticed a difference because I use Pentosan but my vet swears by it and it's cheap.
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Location: NE Texas | Intersting read....not necessarily on joint supplements, but on joint health in general. https://nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/390-joint-dysfunction-are-injections-the-only-solution
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